things homeowners think they need but they don't

i have 20 of these in my house and 0 devices that need a 5-20r

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if nothing else the T slot at least confirms you have 20 amp wiring in your house. for some places its impossible to tell because retard sparkies mix and match fuses and dont label anything on electrical panels. also lots of appliances overload those connectors by pulling 1800W or more (microwaves, A/Cs) and your average amerifat doesn't have the mental fortitude to realize plugging many things into the same circuit is not good

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >if nothing else the T slot at least confirms you have 20 amp wiring in your house.
      not really, theres nothing stopping you from illegally installing these on 14 awg wire and a 15 amp breaker
      also you're not allowed to put more than one of these on the same (actual 20 amp) circuit because of possible circuit overload

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        which i think is a strange rule because ta duplex receptacle already gives you the ability to plug in 2 different things that draw 20 amps

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          also, that moron seems to not know that you can overload practically all 15 amp circuits since they tend to have 3 or more outlets. He seems to be ful of shit.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A duplex 15a receptacle on 20a circuit is the most correct choice. And no one has a 20a appliance anyway never seen one in 40 years.

            15a duplex receptacle on a 15a circuit is overloading it because it's duplex.

            T. My fudlore id better than your

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              it doesn't matter how many outlets there are on a circuit.

              the important thing is the fuse has to be the correct size for that wire.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >theres nothing stopping you from illegally installing these on 14 awg wire and a 15 amp breaker
        sure but why would anyone do that? thats not just negligent its malicious because its like labeling something 20 AMPS when you know its not rated for it

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the same reason why people would put a 20 amp breaker on a 14 awg circuit because they're sick of their breakers tripping
          because they're stupid

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >i have 20 of these in my house and 0 devices that need a 5-20r
        congratulations you almost certainly have 20 amp wiring and circuit breakers. this is a common practice. they are not required to put 20 amp outlets on 20 amp circuits 15amp outlets would be up to code.

        most new houses are built this way. my house is and I have confirmed that my wiring is 12awg and my breakers are 20 amp.

        this is not a concern and

        is wrong.

        you are now aware that devices made for 15 amp outlets are capped at 12 amps.

        I have a 120v welder that can draw a max of 20 amps but has a 15 amp plug, and a 20 amp cord. it has never popped a circuit breaker. made by Lincoln.

        the only time 20 amp circuits ever get overloaded is in kitchens where you might have microwave, electric oven, and toaster on same circuit.

        it's my understanding that new code is being suggested to put all outlets in kitchens on separate circuits and to start putting more 220v outlets in kitchens (in the US).

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >you are now aware that devices made for 15 amp outlets are capped at 12 amps.
          Only if they are considered to be continuously operated (>3 h).

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it's my understanding that new code is being suggested to put all outlets in kitchens on separate circuits and to start putting more 220v outlets in kitchens (in the US).
          NEC does require at least two general purpose circuits servicing the kitchen. You can meet this requirement if you have a separate refrigerator circuit. Otherwise, a multiwire branch is a great way to get two 20 A circuits for the general use receptacles in the kitchen. Electric service in the kitchen is getting ridiculous: microwave, dishwasher, disposal, refrigerator, lights, counter/general purpose outlets, oven/cooktop or stove. This isn't even reduced with gas appliances. My gas cooktop requires it's own 15 A dedicated service for the electric igniters and flame sensors.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I am referencing on or near the counter. my house was built in 93 it has 4 outlets on the counter, and one on the counter on the other side of the stove. counter is too small for anything bigger than a toaster. one above the stove for a microwave.

            the 4 counter are one circuit (along with the rest of the kitchen 5 outlets), the one on the side of the stove is another circuit and the one above the stove is on it's own circuit.

            on the counter I have well here is a picture.
            The oven is plugged in to the circuit on the other side of the stove. microwave draws 14.3 amps toaster 10 amps, fryer 12.5 amps.

            granted it is not likely I would run ALL of these at the same time, I have run the microwave and electric oven at the same time, so these have to be on separate circuits, however in the morning I have to watch that we don't run the microwave and toaster at the same time. in my old house I had 2 new circuits installed on the kitchen counter because 1/3 of the house (kitchen included) was on 1 circuit (house built in 1953).

            I was talking to an electrician about this and he stated that it may be a requirement in the future that there be 3 or more separate circuits for counters as well as 1 or more 240 outlets on the counter for more high power appliances which I would welcome because an oven that only goes to 450 degrees is limiting at times.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          My house was built in 2000 and every outlet is on a separate circuit, all 15a receptacles. I get 240 volts measuring between the top and bottom sockets (the tabs are removed)

          My friends house is newer, same area, and they have all 20A outlets snd 20a breakers in their kitchen, which they’ve never used the capabilities of.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >one of these on the same (actual 20 amp) circuit because of possible circuit overload
        Bullshit. What if you're not drawing 1500watts from one appliance, but need the entire line to supply more power? And commercial buildings has a minimum of 20a circuits. So every outlet are these.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Kevin Van Dam

    I have never installed one of those. I don’t see them in homes much, only commercial applications.

    Also I think I have seen one 20A 120V plug in recent memory. It was on a hand dryer in a commercial bathroom. Consumer appliances aren’t sold with those plugs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      don't know where you live but all new houses being built since at least the early 90's (where I live) have 20 amp circuits and outlets.

      My house was built in 2000 and every outlet is on a separate circuit, all 15a receptacles. I get 240 volts measuring between the top and bottom sockets (the tabs are removed)

      My friends house is newer, same area, and they have all 20A outlets snd 20a breakers in their kitchen, which they’ve never used the capabilities of.

      >I get 240 volts measuring between the top and bottom sockets
      that is bizarre.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >that is bizarre
        No, it's not, the outlets are just on circuits that are on separate legs of the phase. On each outlet the hot to neutral voltage is 120V, but from one hot to the other is 240V because it uses the whole phase. It's probably wired as multiwire branch circuits.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >that is bizarre.
        Google multiwire branch circuit.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I did not imply I did not believe you, I have just never seen it in person.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there is so much retardation in this thread, go read NEC section 210

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