They have to be a money laundering operation at this point right? Desert Tech is a front for something right?

They have to be a money laundering operation at this point right? Desert Tech is a front for something right? Who the frick is falling for this a THIRD time in a row?

>Release MDR
>Huge price tag, tons of QA problems and then just design issues
>Release MDRX
>Huge price tag, tons of QA problems and then just design issues
>Announce WLVRN
>We learned from all the problems of the first two guys, also give us 2500 for this updated MDRX

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it looks cool tho

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Trusting Mormons... lol

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They're not even real Mormons, they're a splinter group that likes incest.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The "real" mormons aren't much better. Last year they got fined $5 million for deliberately hiding $40 billion in securities assets from the SEC over a period of 20 years using 13 shell companies.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >What? You hid $40b illegally?
          >Give us 0.0125% of it. That oughta learn ya.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Hiding money from the government
            I don't know, sounds kinda based to me tbh.

            The scummy part wasn't so much not paying taxes as it was lying to the mormon laity about where their tithing money was going and what it was used for (spoiler: to build shopping malls and shit). In mormonism, being a full tithe-payer is required to hold a temple recommend, which is essentially a permit to enter mormon temples where most of the important mormon ceremonies/rites occur. If you're denied a temple recommend it's a tacit admission that you're not getting into the highest level of mormon heaven (there's 3 with a further 3 sub levels to the highest one depending on how good of a goy you are). Most mormons are told that their tithing goes to charity, upkeep of buildings, and preparing for the second coming, while in reality a tiny fraction of it is given to those in need and another tiny fraction is spent on upkeep for the most important buildings (most mormons are simply asked to clean their buildings for free).
            The fact that the senior mormon leaders, including their "prophet," lied to people about all of this and removed people from managing the mormon monetary arm (ensign peak holdings) if they voiced concerns about ethics or legality should have served as a major wake up call for the average mormon, but they collectively shrugged their shoulders and moved on with their lives while continuing to pay tithing as usual.
            Anyway, if you wanna hear more batshit stuff about mormons I can oblige but this is getting off topic.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I want to hear more batshit Mormon stuff anon.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                not him, but I used to work there, the CEO's family practices incest (kingston clan). They basically believed that incest produced a stronger offspring and carefully choose who to breed with who. The funny part is that Nick's parents are actually pretty ubermensch, but when Nick popped out he came out moronic. Maybe they had an idea there, but it only works for a few generations before they start to tard-up.

                Yeah the products themselves are a bit iffy, I wasn't an engineer but can say that there were plenty of problems.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/s9bHtDM.jpg

                [...]
                The scummy part wasn't so much not paying taxes as it was lying to the mormon laity about where their tithing money was going and what it was used for (spoiler: to build shopping malls and shit). In mormonism, being a full tithe-payer is required to hold a temple recommend, which is essentially a permit to enter mormon temples where most of the important mormon ceremonies/rites occur. If you're denied a temple recommend it's a tacit admission that you're not getting into the highest level of mormon heaven (there's 3 with a further 3 sub levels to the highest one depending on how good of a goy you are). Most mormons are told that their tithing goes to charity, upkeep of buildings, and preparing for the second coming, while in reality a tiny fraction of it is given to those in need and another tiny fraction is spent on upkeep for the most important buildings (most mormons are simply asked to clean their buildings for free).
                The fact that the senior mormon leaders, including their "prophet," lied to people about all of this and removed people from managing the mormon monetary arm (ensign peak holdings) if they voiced concerns about ethics or legality should have served as a major wake up call for the average mormon, but they collectively shrugged their shoulders and moved on with their lives while continuing to pay tithing as usual.
                Anyway, if you wanna hear more batshit stuff about mormons I can oblige but this is getting off topic.

                They're also tied in with CIA intel stuff as well.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Early Mormon weirdness:
                >plural marriage practiced til 1890, technically still practiced today as mormons believe if someone remarries after his wife dies he will have both wives in mormon heaven
                >Smith's 40+ plural wives, some underage (Mary Rollins Lightner, Helen Mar Kimball) and some already married to others, which he lied to his first wife Emma about
                >early mormon leaders believing in outlandish cosmologies influenced by leading ideas of the times, like people living on the sun and moon, and believing that God dwelled in a star/planet named Kolob (pic related is the full cosmology, with names given in the "angelic language" supposedly "revealed" to Smith et al)
                >Adam=God theory promoted by Brigham Young, later repudiated by subsequent mormon leaders
                >Brigham Young's death squads (so-called Destroying Angels) possibly used to kill dissidents and native americans in the Utah Territory; see Mountain Meadows Massacre for related events
                >Smith's "Seer Stone" and "Urim and Thummum" which he used to "translate" the book of mormon; the stone was thought to be an "anti-mormon lie" until the 1st presidency revealed it to the public a few years ago
                >massive connections between Freemasonry and Mormonism, the Mormon endowment ceremony (a coming-of-age-ish ceremony where participants receive secret new names & are shown various secret handshakes as well as "hidden truths" of mormonism) is almost completely plagiarized from freemasons
                >multiple frauds which (should have) completely BTFO's Smith's claims to prophethood and divine power: Kinderhook plates, Greek psalter incident
                >the Smith family's longstanding practice of folk magic, which continued after the establishment of Mormonism: see the "Holiness to the Lord" and "St. Peter Bind Them" parchments, the Jupiter talisman owned by Smith at the time of his death, Smith's "serpent cane," the various "seer stones" owned by Smith and others, and the "Mars dagger"
                con't

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ongoing weirdness:
                >as

                [...]


                They're also tied in with CIA intel stuff as well. says, there are shit tons of mormons in intel agencies; they make great recruits due to mostly having squeaky clean backgrounds and speaking foreign languages after their missionary service (full extent of mormon influence on the federal government is unknown)
                >the aforementioned mormon financial group (Ensign Peak Holdings) is one of the wealthiest groups in America; confirmed holdings of $140 billion in value, possibly more not publicized, as well as massive land holdings across the country (pic related)
                >belief that after the second coming, Jesus will rule the earth from twin temples in Jerusalem and Independence, Missouri
                >mormons trying to cover up sex abuse cases in order to avoid damage to the church's reputation: see floodlit.org
                >massive archaeological and scientific undertakings through BYU to prove that the events of the book of mormon took place, which generally found nothing - the site where Joseph Smith supposedly found the gold plates, near Palmyra, NY, is also said to have been the site of a battle that killed more than 3 million people sometime around 600 AD, for example
                >til 1990 the aforementioned endowment ceremony also included the following: "anointing with oil" on the no no square (covered by a thin garment open at the sides), verbalized vows to commit suicide by disembowelment and throat slitting if one revealed the secrets shown in the ceremony plus pantomiming gestures of the same, and an oath of vengeance for Smith and his brother; the suicide vows and naked touching are gone but the gestures remain as so-called "tokens"
                >belief that one's ancestors become angels and watch you 24/7
                >massive genealogical undertakings for the purpose of performing proxy baptisms for everyone who has ever lived
                >the mormon vaults in Granite Mountain, UT
                >widely reported incidents of mormons claiming to see their dead ancestors walking around in mormon temples
                >belief that Jesus and Satan were brothers

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There's more weird stuff, both in terms of historical incidents and in terms of worldviews/beliefs that the average mormon wouldn't think twice about but which would seem bizarre as frick to the average guy, but I've taken up enough of this thread as it is.
                Mods, if this is too off-topic for this thread, feel free to delete it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Please keep going

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah frick taxes my comment was more about how the government gave them a slap on the wrist that means obviously nothing to anyone as a lesson or a deterrent. It should have crushed the entire head of mormonism when this became public instead of every Mormon just going along with it. This is exactly what used to create protestantism from Catholicism.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            they're a CIA thing

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Hiding money from the government
          I don't know, sounds kinda based to me tbh.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >one big government group hiding money from another big government group
            Nope. Not based, just corruption.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >a splinter group that likes incest
        Um, based?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Shiiieeeet, I should join then. Increadibly based.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Trusting Mormons
      Nobody tell him about John Browning.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm well aware that Browning was a Mormon freak. If he were alive today making guns they'd be like the MDR. The inky reason they weren't is because when he was around it was profitable to innovate instead of lie. I piss on Browning.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They might just be dumb and also greedy

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ok now tell me how many iterations of the browning tilting barrel patent colt forcefed the market until they got the 1911 (kinda) right?

    Or how many dodgy designed semi auto rifle inuseless proprietary calibers Winchester/remington/browning churned to the ecstatic fudd market with ridiculous prices, QC issues, iffy mags and a V2.5.0.1 with no compatibility whatsoever for... More than half a century?

    Or these schmucks from detonics/kimber/lesbear/colt/para ord trying each year to sell a competition ready 1911 with airtight barrel bushing and hollow point proof feed ramps?

    Each time these compagnies stood on the naive dedication of their customer base to justify their r&d and thus planned obsolescence...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      meanwhile PSA will launch their bullpup and it will be up and working flawlessly in a year lmao

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    how come every gun company has to give their rifle some fricking moronic name?

    whats wrong with "model 1 bullpup" and so on?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because they don't want people to remember this is the 3rd time they've tried this scam otherwise it'd be the MDRXX

    • 1 month ago
      äää
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >whats wrong with "model 1 bullpup" and so on?
      Not trademarkable, pita to search for. I used to get autistic about names too but after years of seeing the trend of frickawful naming in tech where they just name shit after common words thus making it fricking impossible to use a search engine with, I'm glad to have anything unique. Like yeah:
      >ok, "wolverine" is a good animal to name a bullpup after
      >there are a million "wolverine" things tho
      >uh, let's just take out the vowels and capitalize it
      isn't going to win any awards for creativity. But WLVRN is easy to remember, unique, not a word thank frick, and it works. It's fine.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      SEO.
      There are a thousand guns called the model 1, or the model 24.
      Every company wants to make sure that when you search for their gun in the Googles, you only find their gun.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Total techbro death

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    im glad i didnt get the mdrx now, but ill still buy the new one, cause its cool and im not poor

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's funny cause the MDRs look a bit like Halo Battle Rifles.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    is it an Ar-18? asking for a friend

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You missed a certain amount. For the MDR, they did make a kit to let original owners get a lot of updates. I know guys with one that have put 10k+ rounds through, replacing original barrel, and they're fine.

    I wouldn't call either of them a "huge price tag", they're on the high end of all the main good bullpups but not massively so. These aren't $5k handguns like the Laugo Alien, or for that matter DT's own $7k bolt action. They're a niche item, my MDRX is serial #'d in the 7k range so my guess would be they made less than 10k rifles total over its lifespan. Not like anyone is getting suckered at this point, you either like the unique advantages or like 99.9% of the normal population you don't and you get a different gun. Even bullpups, I'm sure the Aug and X95 etc have done literal order(s) of magnitude more sales. Keltec has great options too for less.

    As for your list what are you even complaining about? If they did fix the core issues isn't that a good thing? If you think they should have just given up and shelved it, that seems like its for the market to decide. I'll admit to being somewhat disappointed in the outcome, but not for any of the reasons you listed. For a redo I'd have liked to see them stick with trying more innovative eject, design something that can use their quadstack, and I'm very bummed there seems to be no 300bo SBR option. But the price increase is pretty much just inflation in the last 5 years. If it was worth $2099 in 2019 to somebody it'll be worth $2499 in 2024 too. It won't be for most of course.

    Will have to wait on reviews, but if it's now consistently single moa or sub-moa it'll be the first semi bullpup to do so afaik. That and 3rd parties continuing to support all calibers would be enough.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Firearm manufacturing would be a very poor money laundering scheme because firearms are so heavily regulated. There's no realistic way to fudge how many guns you are selling.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Thier products are HORRENDOUSLY overpriced. But I guess it works for them? Weird market.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Eh, I don't think so, or at least not any different then high end glass say or other boutique stuff. As soon as you get away from mass manufacturing prices go up very fast, it's impossible to run a niche thing doing new stuff on small profit margins. You need to find your unique customer base and make it worth enough for them to pay high margins or die. I'd completely agree they're a bad value for the vast majority. But if you really value compactness and ultra rapid swapping the SRS/HTI are pretty unique. The MDR's inconsistency in accuracy, ranging all over the place from 1-3.5moa depending on ammo, was definitely bad. But not like any semi bullpup right now is great either. And if you wanted the short package, good trigger, suppressor friendly (6pos gas), and ability to convert to anything (350 legend bullpup? no problem) what else is there?

      Of course again, most people DON'T want that, or at least, not enough to pay a major premium. Hence why I'd guess they only made ~10-15k MDRXs total lifetime. But those that do and intend it to be their main gun will pay a premium which is how DT stays in business and offers a decent warranty. It doesn't scale though which was another source of problems for them. Guess we'll find out in 6 months if the WLVRN is enough to put them on a better trajectory.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's not really that much. They certainly command a price on the high end compared to the competition, but precision rifles almost universally do. 2500 or so for a niche battle rifle sounds about right

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Eh, I don't think so, or at least not any different then high end glass say or other boutique stuff. As soon as you get away from mass manufacturing prices go up very fast, it's impossible to run a niche thing doing new stuff on small profit margins. You need to find your unique customer base and make it worth enough for them to pay high margins or die. I'd completely agree they're a bad value for the vast majority. But if you really value compactness and ultra rapid swapping the SRS/HTI are pretty unique. The MDR's inconsistency in accuracy, ranging all over the place from 1-3.5moa depending on ammo, was definitely bad. But not like any semi bullpup right now is great either. And if you wanted the short package, good trigger, suppressor friendly (6pos gas), and ability to convert to anything (350 legend bullpup? no problem) what else is there?

      Of course again, most people DON'T want that, or at least, not enough to pay a major premium. Hence why I'd guess they only made ~10-15k MDRXs total lifetime. But those that do and intend it to be their main gun will pay a premium which is how DT stays in business and offers a decent warranty. It doesn't scale though which was another source of problems for them. Guess we'll find out in 6 months if the WLVRN is enough to put them on a better trajectory.

      It's not really that much. They certainly command a price on the high end compared to the competition, but precision rifles almost universally do. 2500 or so for a niche battle rifle sounds about right

      A 16" Tavor 7 is priced at $2200. It's a 1.5-2.5moa gun, so-so trigger, 4pos gas, no other caliber options but 7.62x51, and weighs 9lbs. If the WLVRN has fixed the accuracy, improved handguard, does weigh in at 7.4 lbs, and maintains the other good things about the MDR, yeah that's worth a 13% premium to me anyway.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >2500 for a new 308 battle rifle is money laundering
    >but when FN charges 3500 for a 20yr old design, its normal

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The SCAR is a meme gun at this point.
      If it cost less, less people would want it.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Have you seen what people will pay for KAC? Go on tacswap and see what people are charging for LMT. This is nothing.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I had a pre A1 SRS and the gun felt like the cheapest piece of shit possible and I paid $3200 for it when that was a great price. It shot fine but the trigger wasn't that good and you could see mold lines on the plastic. I sold it fast before other people found out how overpriced they are for the quality.

    At $1500 I would have considered it good but cheaply made, at over twice that? Frick that noise, that was around the time really good aluminum drop in chassis were really blowing up the market and barrel nut arrangements and great prefits were really getting affordable. Other than being a bullpup it was a bad deal.

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