These say ridiculously easy, but I am ridiculously stupid. Has anyone completed an 80% with one of these? What are the pitfalls?
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These say ridiculously easy, but I am ridiculously stupid. Has anyone completed an 80% with one of these?
do not reply to op
he is a glowie trying to track people who have built 80% lowers (I haven't, fuck you)
You credit me with being more than a retard, sir. Glowies aren't allowed to say retard iirc. I've just never done it before and don't want to fuck up a $500+ project. Also this shit is legal and fine? /k/ has made you extra paranoid
>500 borgors
Wouldn't it be cheaper to just buy a lower?
Money not an issue with me on this project. Does /k/ not value absolute privacy anymore? Someone always says something like this. I want to build my own stuff without the gubmet in my house and this is the most realistic and legal way to do it from what I've read
If money isn't an issue, just toss the 500 and take the dive. Or if you want to go the extra (rather absurd) step, get a cnc machine.
True. I would imagine the ATF would take notice of weird shit like this just like mass/repeated purchases of firearms in short windows.
If you want to go super privacy paranoid, you can probably download an STL for the router jig (on public wifi, with VPN, with secure DNS, on a burner laptop) and 3D print it yourself, rest of the shit can be innocuously bought from home depot
You'd have to buy the router bit holder
Pretty sure vpns don't do shit either. Not a computer guy but ones I've talked to pretty much just say it stops your isp from accessing. But I don't think they do much else.
I'm not sure this classifies as weird shit. 80% projects are pretty common for hobbiests
>Does /k/ not value absolute privacy anymore?
I sure hope you have your VPN + proxy situation covered, anon, because for most people absolute privacy goes right out the window when you click post.
But yeah, fun projects are fun. I'm blessed to have access to a bridgeport mill, so I've never done one with the router jig and can't speak to its pitfalls.
But there's nothing you can mess up on a metal lower that will cause an injury when shooting. If you do somehow hurt yourself, it'll be when you're using the power tools. More likely, you just somehow scrap the receiver, so then you get a new 80% and start over.
Go for it.
I'm behind 12 proxies, my ip is basically The Thing. And thanks, I may give it a go!
>Does /k/ not value absolute privacy anymore?
If you did you wouldnt be posting on this fed monitored board.
>buys 80% kit from online vendor
>gives online vendor his mailing address
Hope the feds don't subpoena your credit card provider or the website, anon. Or you could buy an AR through a private sale using a disposable email so theres no digital paper trail.
The appeal isn't the price, it's the fact that you have an untraceable un-serialized firearm - other than the fact that the vendor selling this kit would hand over your information in a heartbeat if the ATF came knocking.
Except for litterally every single other piece of gun you are buying.
anon you can buy every piece of a gun other than the lower from random stores and have them delivered to your house with no prying. You can have an 80% kit like this delievered with no prying. Do the math here
>untraceable
Other than a credit card purchase of the lower and various parts kits, upper etc all delivered to your address.
Also, you're now in the customer database of wherever you bought it from in a completely unsecured format with shit security practices.
If the ATF ever decides to "come knocking" then either they've decided to ban guns and they already have warrants for all of the 80% lower places, or they think you broke the law and they're going to go through every inch of your property and digital accounts. They'll see your purchases of 80% lowers and things and know you have one even if they didn't find it.
But yeah, you'll technically have some added privacy in the most unimportant way possible.
>The ATF is a mission impossible ai god with access to all records everywhere at any time
Except they're not. But also "Oh shit sorry atf, I fucked up that lower and tossed it years ago. Check roughly 40 feet down in the landfill."
This is just common sense, governments are not omnipotent and can be outsmarted.
But the idea is the perceived threat to maintain the security theater as well as law and order.
The pen is mightier than the sword, a single written order can command thousands of swordsmen.
By the same logic, the keyboard is mightier than the AR-15. A single typed order can command thousands.
There is the physical reality of a threat, the ATF, but the perceived psychological threat can be far greater than reality.
Personally, I am a law abiding citizen. You can legally buy gun parts without leaving a trail, but this is a certain mindset.
Similarly, the conventional sniper has the luxury to operate openly under state power, while the guerrilla sniper does not.
The zionist fears the guerrilla sniper.
I have no fear of governments, not death nor worldly power
I fear not the corrupt oppressor who works iniquity and evil
My faith, my confidence, it is in the Lord Jesus Christ
The godless zionists will learn the fear of God
Won't they just goto the companies and get all the info from them. Didn't they do this with the AR pistol braces? And the drop in machine gun. Also that excuse works for a regular gun too. You can just get rid of the serial numbers then fill a report it got stolen or lost.
Sportsman's warehouse / cabellas carries LPKs, buffer tubes and all that shit, you could easily buy it in cash
I've been in gun stores that also sells aluminum 80% ar lowers, no reason you couldn't just buy one with cash
It's definitely possible
We can look to the multiple times that nyc has subpoenaed the records of retailers to get warrants to search for privately made firearms. It does get the cops in the door, and you don't want them finding any illegal firearms. They can track down where the parts went.
3D printer go brrrrrrrrrrr
"Why yes, my motivation was to have an untraceable un-serialized firearm."
"Will the Defendant please speak up so the Jury can hear him."
Judge: "Oh you just like to build things as is your right as an American? I'm somewhat not a cuck myself"
>Judge pulls out legos
>Play legos with judge while the guy who tried to rob me gets pissed from his wheelchair
>$500+ project
cheaper to buy a 3d printer and print an UBAR2 lower
3d printed guns are complete ass, 3d printing the jig to make a real ar lower is the correct application of printing
Oh look it's that cunt again.
You gonna be ok??
They can say the r-slur but they can't say the n-word. At least according to /misc/ that's their one weakness.
ARS are for homosexuals. Obviously it's a gloaf.
Hey dumbass, actual federal agent here, you do realize its still legal in most states to build an 80% gun right? What would a fed have to gain from a thread like this? You might say "you'll find out what guns I have!" but I already know what guns you have via the NICS system, payment processors, search history, etc.
Are you even old enough to be on this board?
Polymer ones are ridiculously easy, aluminum ones require more effort but are still "relatively" easy if you aren't an idiot - case in point, every libtard reporter who started an article about how easy they are and how anyone can do it in their kitchen end up taking it to their LEO buddy and leave it with them for a few weeks to actually do it.
If you are not mechanically inclined you will have a bad time. Otherwise it's not too hard to do
I mean I have a drill press and a router and have used them fine. I haven't done precision metalwork but it seems like the jig is made so I can just drill via guides and be done. I just dont want to explode at the range because I'm off a milimeter or theres a metal chip stuck somewhere so I'm curious about home experiences with these
> I just dont want to explode at the range because I'm off a milimeter or theres a metal chip stuck somewhere
nagger never shot a firearm.
If you know how to use a drill press and a router you'll be fine
Also ar-15 lowers aren't pressure bearing, and you won't be touching the buffer tube mount or whatever its called which is the only part that can break on an improperly milled reciever. If you screw it up, nothing will happen because the gun won't fire.
>If you are not mechanically inclined you will have a bad time
Yea if you've never touched a router in your life, I can't imagine you're walking away from this with all of your fingers intact
If you can't make a functional ar with one of those you really shouldn't have a gun, or a driver's license for that matter.
This. It’s pretty freaking easy, even for my retarded friend (pic related)
>Dumbass didn't drill the crosspin /selector holes before milling fcg pocket.
Maybe gonna make it, but not betting.
I've always wondered, but what exactly is the point in buying an 80% compared to just buying completed receiver? Is it purely about cost savings, or am I missing something else?
A completed reciever requires a serial and registration before it goes out the door. The history of its locations are known. An 80% is a block of metal in the eyes of the law. Like the above anon said you can get them with cash
Uh... No?
So while legally the feds are prohibited from keeping a registry, they still do. It may be possible in your state to acquire a rifle that's been through a few private party purchases and is relatively anonymous, but the vast majority will have a trail of ownership.
The thread is only 26 posts long and you didn't even read it?
>Is it purely about cost savings
it usually costs more to do an 80 and you get an inferior product
not all of us can do so
It's fun
Cool thread, very organic discussion with fellow k posters totally not demoralizing
Alphabet homosexuals are on coping damage control after losing their brace/80 lower cases
>but I am ridiculously stupid.
>least delusional OP on PrepHole.
I'd give you a 50% chance.
Been looking on the same exact site. Need to get my shit together and order it.
Wait for a black friday sale
The atf is very helpful with building these, go ahead give them your social security number, home address, personal cell phone, and times that you’re home and where you work… and they’ll actually come by and send a few agents out to help you out
Real friendly pro-2a guys, thin blue line homies
Note that /k is full of poorfags and in the rare cases you don't get a meme answer it's going to be cheapskate advice from the perspective of someone who thinks $500 in 2023 is scrooge mcduck level money.
did they ban polymer80s? I can't find the Glock ones anywhere
https://www.80percentarms.com/glock-80-lower/
Atf did, it was overturned, appealed, injuncted, vacated, overturned. They are legalish, as of the last court decision, but not supposed to be sold pending appeal. You can however find them a couple places, mas defense, noquarter.
What's the pointy thing under the barrel?
God they just had to write it in the cringiest way huh
>Atf did
They did not. They tried to ban "firearm completion kits" which were 80%s and the jigs sold together. It's currently the subject of litigation as you mentioned.
You are mistaken, which is entirely reasonable as they and their attorneys aren't even sure what their rule does. As of this "clarification" the frame and receiver rule did consider 80% striker fired pistol frames to be firearms.
https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/atf-issues-open-letter-ffls-clarify-application-%E2%80%9Cframe-or-receiver%E2%80%9D-final-rule-certain
You're half right come to think of it, p80 makes ar15 and ar10 80% lowers too, I was just thinking about their pistol frames. The rule requires most 80% receivers to be sold without any accompanying tooling, but does prohibit polymer80's 80% glock compatible frames.
Op's thread is legit. stop shitting it up and help him rather than being fuckwads
>I am ridiculously stupid
This is a clue that OP works at the AFT.
It's doable with just a drill
Itll look ugly but itll work
If you're dumb enough to start a thread on k, you're too dumb to figure out how to use power tools anon.
don't do it.
naggers will tongue your anus.
Sounding better all the time honestly
No. I have a dog now so I lost all interest in firearms. Lost and or sold em all. I don't have guns.
If you pay for any of these things online using car/PayPal, they've already got you.
How about if you post pics online about how you did such a bad job that its non functional?
Probably still works, no one ever sees the inside.
Easiest fix for a lot of F ups is anti walk pins.
Can 316 stainless steel seamless tubing be used for handgun barrels? 9mm, .45ACP? The "yield strength" on the steel is 25,000 PSI, but they use it for rifle barrels so it must be capable of withstanding higher pressures somehow. Does it have to be forged to handle the 35,000 PSI of a standard 9mm, or does the brass case cushion it?
I've never heard of a rifle barrel made out of 316, only 416 or 416r. austenetic stainless can't be heat treated which makes it a poor choice for gun parts.
Do I actually need a welder for an fgc9? Jfc
I know someone made a modified bolt that was bolted together. You can try looking that up.
One anon said you can get these lower kits in cash. Would gun show nutjobs have these or something? I don't see how else this would go down.
You can buy BTC with cash at some kiosks. Just do that and spend crypto, mail it to a drop box and you're golden.
Never got into crypto, don't really want to either. May I burn in poor fudd hell I guess. Progress can flatten me if the future is crypto bros and monkey pics.
I'm not telling you to invest in crypto I'm telling you to utilize it for its intended purpose: anonymous purchases.
I getcha, tho last I looked the only channels I could find to even get crypto going and manage it required my id, unless I just make a wallet and know someone who can transfer me crypto, which I don't. Buying crypto involves surrendering card data. The world is up everyone's asshole these days.
That's why I mentioned the kiosk that does it. It's a coin star machine I believe
Weird, I'll look around!
Just go to a gunshow and pay cash. The last Indianapolis show I went to had a guy selling P80 frame kits at one table. Gun shops sell them too.
Oops. Thanks.
Nice. I've been to shows but never purchased anything there and at the time wasn't looking for a lower. Probably a dumb question but will they sell a kit and not even ask for if paying cash? Or maybe just a license age check at a glance?
If you don't look like two kids in a trench coat you'll just hand them the cash and get the 80%
Darn, I'm 12 cats in a duster so I might be screwed
If actual fed, interesting! Welcome. Sorry if researching me revealed nogunz and porn comics. That's my life.
If not an actual fed, uhhhh isn't it incredibly illegal to claim to be a fed and not be? Hope that's not what has happened here anon. I'd not continue that if you were larping is all I'm saying
>Probably a dumb question but will they sell a kit and not even ask for if paying cash?
They will put you through exactly the same background check as you would undergo when buying a bag full of beef jerky.
Is there even a reason to care about buying one of these kits if I already did a background check and I technically exist in the "system"?
I think it would be neat to have.
They are fun to do, there's a sense of accomplishment and you can make guns very cheaply if you hunt around for deals. Black Friday is comming, prime time for it, I've made a g19 copy for $200, marred lfa slide but oem internals with rails kit for $160 shipped, $40 bare frame and I already had tools.
So whats the deal then?
Is it people that managed to never run a background check and not exist in the system/felons that are hesitant on these things?
Is it the fear that they might hunt you down later like with the rare breed triggers?
Why should I give a shit?
First, no. I think it's dumb when you can just buy one.
Secondly, most people that buy those use their credit card or buy online, in which case they know you have it anyway.
Even then, if you're buying the rest of the parts with anything but cash anonymously, they know you bough it.
Even if you buy everything in person, in cash, you probably have bought enough other stuff, like ammo, that its' a moot point.
I think everything about them is just kind of dumb.
Not everyone is a bugman shut-in like you, anon. Some people enjoy the achievement of doing something themselves.
Like drilling a couple holes through a jig? Pathetic that you think that's making something.
More than you've made lmao
But no I've also built AKs from parts kits too.
Making an AK would be pretty cool at least. For the record, I'm not against someone choosing to make an 80% lower. I just think the fact that most people are buying them through easily trackable means and then ending up with a generally inferior product is laughable. Make one from a block of billet and I'll be like, "Hey cool". Better yet, design your own gun. Hell I think the plywood lowers I've seen are kind of neat compared to an 80%.
I mean seriously, if you're going to buy it online with a credit card, just buy a lower that's got a roll mark.
also if your 80% doesn't look at least this good you should hand in your man card
I'm not turning in shit nagger it's mine
I think you only get to dictate appearance bars when your total tool cost is less than $100.
what are you poor?
I can't afford a machine that pisses on my shit, be realistic
my only options for guns in FL are gifts from relatives, 80% lowers, or black powder rifles (lol)
t. 19yo college anon
LMAO. Get cucked Floridiot. Go back to Cuba. So much for the "Gunshine State" lmaoooo
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The tinfoil has baked your brain like a potato