These better than hollowpoints?

These better than hollowpoints? I've seen a lot of testing videos and they do just as well if not better than HPs because they don't focus on expansion. What are your personal experiences with these rounds?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes and no. the overwhelming majority of hollow points fail when they hit bone. they aren’t going fast enough to be a real devastator

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      what % of bullets statistically go into bone vs just clothes and flesh tho?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        More often than not. Your ribs cover something like 60-70% of your chest from the front. You should expect bone to be a factor.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the overwhelming majority of hollow points fail when they hit bone
      Why the actual frick would you care if a HP fails to expand on hitting bone? If it hits bone, it's not going to overpenetrate... which is the literal only utility for HP bullets.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        when you hunt with a single rifle caliber you have to select your bullet construction based on your game weight. sometimes I use hollow points in my 44 mag, other times I use jsp it just depends. I’ll use ballistic tip hp on small does. unfortunately some hollow points can completely collapse and act like an impromptu fmj and will experience much greater penetration than normal

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >. which is the literal only utility for HP bullets.
        No. Assuming sufficient penetration, hollow points are much more effective at putting down whatever you're shooting, whether that's people or animals. I grew up in the country and shot countless rabbits, squirrels, possums, raccoons, as a kid. FMJ vs. HP is night-and-day different in effectiveness, even evident in .22LR. As far as shooting people goes the history is all there. Go read Sixguns by Keith. When that book was written there was a serious problem with law enforcement weapons. .38's were easy to carry but they did not perform well at stopping bad guys. .44's performed great at stopping bad guys but were too large and too heavy recoiling for typical police work. Enter the .41 Magnum: this was supposed to split the difference and be more effective than a .38 but not so big as a .44. But this round flopped, because around the same time modern JHPs came out. And with those a .38 or a 9mm became a very effective cartridge, negating the need for something bigger.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Still not enough info out there on them weirdly enough, they've been out for a while now. We still don't know exactly how much velocity for a given projectile diameter is needed to make them work as advertised. Until then they'll always be a test it yourself before carrying sorta choice

      What do you mean by fail? Pretty much anything that passes the AG test will do fine against bone unless it's after penetrating a lot of other tissue first.

      More often than not. Your ribs cover something like 60-70% of your chest from the front. You should expect bone to be a factor.

      This is true, but ribs really just moron penetration a bit, anything that passes the AG tests should be fine. The few X-rays I've seen even show decent expansion/deformation, they just penetrate a few inches less.

      https://i.imgur.com/6kJPoh8.png

      https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/b2161a32-695e-4a4e-baa2-209a9a981c67/downloads/1cm0blukf_477512.pdf

      Based on all available information, they are vastly superior to hollowpoints.

      Fraudulent paper, dead meat, not exactly authoritative

      I wanna hunt small game with my ruger pcc but I'm not sure what to use. I've got some 124gr JHP but I don't know how much meat I would loose on a rabbit. Thoughts anyone?

      Small game and handgun calibers can be weird. The game is more fragile, being effected more by the tearing effects of temporary stretch cavities, but they're also lightly built meaning they provide less resistance when the bullet sticks frequently moroning expansion. The 124gr JHPs will probably act closer to FMJ than you'd expect, that being said I'd probably just use FMJ, it's plenty enough for the job at hand and cheaper.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Forgot you're using t a PC carbine, 124s can get a lot of velocity with a barrel that long, I've seen some chronod in the 1400-1500 fps range which would absolutely cause excessive meat loss, go with FMJ if that's your concern, probably 147gr

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Still not enough info out there on them weirdly enough
        Contact someone in ukraine and ask for detailed analysis on live targets and HD footage in return for cash payment

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They still flatten out and work.

      https://i.imgur.com/H71xIQq.jpg

      These better than hollowpoints? I've seen a lot of testing videos and they do just as well if not better than HPs because they don't focus on expansion. What are your personal experiences with these rounds?

      Eh... I have have the penetrater version in my .357mag but I got it for hiking. Honestly, it's just like whatever. The minutia of difference between one hollow point or another or these 90gr screamers is going to come out in the wash versus all other variables of the incident. Just don't carry FMJ and you'll get good performance.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ive shot a jogger point blank behind the counter once, cops found the dude concussed in the subway. Ngl the hollowpoint did its job alright, his face was a litetal vegana but after that i swapped over to monolithic bullets.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes they are better but it makes people mad for some reason. Also with these speed is important, the 65gr preform better.
    The last part also upsets some people for some reason.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think they’re better for larger, slower calibers like 45 acp but they do work. I wouldn’t use them in rifles tho

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        why would they be better for *slower* calibers?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          He means "better compared to JHP for a given cartridge". Slower bullets need all the help they can get; faster ones, less so. And rifles? It's almost a moot point, because they have so much powder behind them that at short ranges the shape of the bullet doesn't really matter all that much as long as it's aerodynamic.

          There was a really good thread--I think it was by an ER guy--a few years ago, complete with gruesome anecdotal pictures and lots of hard statistics from US ERs. It made a solid case that the difference between pistol wounds and rifle wounds was almost like night and day; a surprising number of pistol wounds were survivable with prompt surgical intervention... but rifle wounds statistically had far worse outcomes.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/b2161a32-695e-4a4e-baa2-209a9a981c67/downloads/1cm0blukf_477512.pdf

    Based on all available information, they are vastly superior to hollowpoints.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      why are they saying these non-expanding bullets are being recovered at 1” diameter?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wound diameter. Not projectile.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          oh, I see

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder why they didn't test the 68g UW for 9mm.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This data is from 2016, underwoods lineup has changed since then is my guess

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why would a test of commercially available ammo even be """classified""" in the first place? Since no actual government agency is involved, who's even securing the "classified" copy of the report? The training company with a gmail address? Imagine the kind of mouth breathing morons who treat this poorly written infomercial bullshit as actual useful data.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They print holes on paper just like any other. Don't pretend you'll ever be doing anything useful with your gun.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wanna hunt small game with my ruger pcc but I'm not sure what to use. I've got some 124gr JHP but I don't know how much meat I would loose on a rabbit. Thoughts anyone?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      you could pop their heads.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hollow points cause massive meat damage. Either hit the head like the other anon said or better yet get some wadcutters or fmj. Something weak that doesn't expand will cause minimal meat damage.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why would they be any different than a FMJ of equivalent weight?

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Idk I just use the cheapest hp i can find is got 10+ rounds for a reason it will be fine. If cops can magdump so can I

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I carry these, but I'm thinking about switching to some of that M1153/Winchester Ranger-T 147gr from SGammo because that's what ZOG uses.

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