there's gonna be a revolution in FPV

with cheap mass produced security camera chips + wifi chips as radio we're gonna get secure (encrypted),long range,high resolution FPV video links for dirt cheap disposable prices.

how do you think this will affect the militarized fpv scene?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    digital fpvs aren't that rare and it still needs a relay drone/mast antenna to solve the loss of signal problem

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      current ones are just expensive af
      another aspect if this is the low amount of noise in a digital link (or at least the noise being very easy to classify and ignore) opens up the ability to use your recorded combat footage to train machine learning models ('AI')

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Some Azov FPVs now have lock-on modes like a Javelin or Switchblade to solve the problem of signal loss causing so many misses. Directional fragmentation is used too. It's convergent evolution: the slavs are reinventing the Switchblade. In another 2 years they'll be using encrypted radio links.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    OpenIPC was a Russian project.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Am I the only one not impressed by FPV? It's just smaller, cheaper, slower TV guidance

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      it literally is tv guidance most fpv links use analog signal output but you have far more manoeuvrability and responsiveness.

      OpenIPC was a Russian project.

      yea i built my openipc setup translating russian webpages

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >only one not impressed
      Nah. The western wunder-magic seems absent. Shit like the video and similar tech:

      And having an entire self sufficient vehicle for what is essentially disposable, guided munition with extremely short flight time feels like overkill too. You could ditch most of it if you left just the guidance and send it like mortar shell. They almost always observe target with another drone anyway. And in that case why even use full camera guidance? Just a laser designator.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >slower
      we can fix that

      ?si=9m1QAR4T_v1ddcL6&t=192

      >latency probably less than the glass-to-glass of some analog systems
      correct me if Im wrong but that sounds impossible

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        HDZero's whole thing is being the lowest latency system (sub 20ms glass-to-glass) where's analog ones are usually at 15-30 ms latency just for the camera

        digital systems with dedicated hardware encoding/decoding are on-par with analog video systems.

        the open source firmware stuff is catching up, is at ~40-50ms

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't be a gatekeeper.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Camera quality is usually pretty shit even if it hits this or that metric like 120fps or 4k or whatever. Just buy used MotoG-tier phones for almost nothing.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >long range
    >wifi
    Yeah, no that's not how it works.
    FPV are cool but they have shit battery and shit range, they are not that useful.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >FPVs have shit range
      Modern drones have a 20km max distance, so its not that bad
      >Shit battery
      Would that really matter when you are using them to do a self detonate? Also smaller battery = less power required due to weight too.

      What I mostly think with the whole FPV thing that will become popular, are enabling all the relay points in order to extend the flight range, so your average drone pilot doesn't need to deploy in the field at all.
      Also what

      >only one not impressed
      Nah. The western wunder-magic seems absent. Shit like the video and similar tech:

      And having an entire self sufficient vehicle for what is essentially disposable, guided munition with extremely short flight time feels like overkill too. You could ditch most of it if you left just the guidance and send it like mortar shell. They almost always observe target with another drone anyway. And in that case why even use full camera guidance? Just a laser designator.

      posted, drone swarms will clearly be the norm and tanks will be completely fricked unless a very strong signal denier is used, or even worse, EMP solutions, which would turn all type of modern combat right back to WW2 era technology.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >some moron who doesn't know how wifi works talking shit
        Anon, ask yourself a very simple question. Why are military comms either low bandwidth and spread spectrum/frequency hopping or extremely directional with phased arrays/dishes?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I imagine tanks will become rolling drone carriers and use the little buggers for a variety of things, like enhancing it's EW range for example. Is it even possible to create an jamming field that your own assets can operate in? Excuse my ignorance, I don't know jack about electronic warfare.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      wifi IS long range with the right radio setup

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >right radio setup
        Few years ago, guys at defcon shot a wifi signal 126 miles.
        > https://boingboing.net/2005/07/31/defcon-wifi-shootout.html

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          someone shot lora signals from spain to the canary islands. those distance records arent as impressive when you consider the bitrate.

          here's a guy doing 55km FPV using openhd

          this is totally doable as a scout drone but with more advanced links like openipc you can fly a quad like this.

          there are systems like rubyFPV (mostly the same hardware as openhd but now starting to cross support openIPC) that allow relaying the video signal.

          so you can have a big combustion powered drone with a signal relay antenna dropping payloads of FPV bomb drones on the enemy with each being piloted in real time and low latency from 50+km away.its very complicated and unlikely but doable

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >+17db dipole on plane, +23db directional panel on ground
            >hid his alt but visually appears to be between 800 and 1,200 meter during flight profiles
            Yeah no shit he made 55km on WiFi 6 freqs. The main antenna used was practically a laser beam compared to a normal omni dipole.
            If he had done this merely on a 20 degree different heading without moving the antennas it would have lost vid in less than a km.

            It's a neat tech demo, but does not represent what people mean with long range FPV.

            In reality, if you were to run high gain multi antenna on the plane with beamforming supported, and used a moderate gain omni at the reciever you could feasibly get 15-20km on a watt transmit from the plane.
            The units are ~3000 feet alt, 35 miles (55km) and 9-12 miles (15-20km) for us americans.

            Now, to be fair, you do not need 720p60 for flight. The vid bandwidth could be cut to 1/6th using 640x480 30fps and have extra packet tolerance, but it would add perhaps only 15% to the acceptable max range.

            digital FPV sucks because of the latency.

            anything sub 40ms is fine which i think openIPC,walksnail,DJI all achieve and hdzero has even less latency probably less than the glass-to-glass of soem analog systems

            https://i.imgur.com/r43seZu.jpg

            HDZero's whole thing is being the lowest latency system (sub 20ms glass-to-glass) where's analog ones are usually at 15-30 ms latency just for the camera

            digital systems with dedicated hardware encoding/decoding are on-par with analog video systems.

            the open source firmware stuff is catching up, is at ~40-50ms

            >latency
            Is not a real problem. Don't act like 50ms is some murder of use, your crappy home TV and your game console with wireless controller have worse than that.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              this green shit is his plane antenna thats not a 17db antenna and his video is just fine while turning and flying back.

              as for an antenna tracker + directiona antenna theyre not expensive these days.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                ok thats right and he's using a 3dbm dipole pattern on the drone

                But its still directional-plate 17 and 23 dbi for the ground hardware, it isnt about its cheap its about this isnt useful for general purpose flight. Wow 55km, in one specific heading range only.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                you can go in other heading ranges just turn the antenna bro
                i have an antenna tracker on a tripod it's like 200$ for a basic one if you dont wanna build one yourself

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's not the point, the point is that you need a really high gain antenna and tracking setup to have any link with the drone at all. If the drone is using a high gain antenna (it probably won't be unless it's pretty large) any attitude disruption might break the link, and even if it's not any attitude disruption might break the link anyway because of the non-omnidirectional nature of most antenna setups.

                If we're talking unlimited money and no care for regulations, a relay setup where you communicate omnidirectionally with a drone in the air and then that drone uses an antenna to communicate with the piloted aircraft is probably the best approach.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                slap a 20db circular patch antenna on a tracker thats less than 300$ these days
                and yes for the same antennas openipc will give you far more than analog (hdzero,walksnal,dji will too but theyre far more expensive)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >more advanced links like openipc
            you've got it backwards

            >+17db dipole on plane, +23db directional panel on ground
            >hid his alt but visually appears to be between 800 and 1,200 meter during flight profiles
            Yeah no shit he made 55km on WiFi 6 freqs. The main antenna used was practically a laser beam compared to a normal omni dipole.
            If he had done this merely on a 20 degree different heading without moving the antennas it would have lost vid in less than a km.

            It's a neat tech demo, but does not represent what people mean with long range FPV.

            In reality, if you were to run high gain multi antenna on the plane with beamforming supported, and used a moderate gain omni at the reciever you could feasibly get 15-20km on a watt transmit from the plane.
            The units are ~3000 feet alt, 35 miles (55km) and 9-12 miles (15-20km) for us americans.

            Now, to be fair, you do not need 720p60 for flight. The vid bandwidth could be cut to 1/6th using 640x480 30fps and have extra packet tolerance, but it would add perhaps only 15% to the acceptable max range.

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            >latency
            Is not a real problem. Don't act like 50ms is some murder of use, your crappy home TV and your game console with wireless controller have worse than that.

            >>+17db dipole
            are you fricking moronic?
            also: what's an antenna tracker?
            this is exactly what people mean by long range FPV

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ITT: moron OP who doesn't know shit about electronics

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    US military decades behind on cheap drones like usual

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      usa army is a communist organization.
      they cant just use the best most effective bang-for-your-buck weapon they have to only buy special stuff that passes certifications in special hyper expensive labs and the same MIC companies that own said labs are the ones selling weapons to them

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    digital FPV sucks because of the latency.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      anything sub 40ms is fine which i think openIPC,walksnail,DJI all achieve and hdzero has even less latency probably less than the glass-to-glass of soem analog systems

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Just restrict yourself to the ISM channels bro no way they'll jam those

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      theyre flying on the same channels right now and bombing thousands of targets

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Funny how that only works against Russians and not against for example Israelis

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          israelis bomb you if you try

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >and not against for example Israelis
          Anon, I...

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >turn warfare into a rts
    >moba chinks, virgins and raging slavs become commanders
    >battlefield comms turn into a coh2 chat
    >be grunt constantly getting rage pinged to suicide rush some object
    grim.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      kino you mean

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