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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >31oz

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >includes mount

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Scopes are pretty cool I guess.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    everyone knows everything

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    FOV is too small

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why does this thread keep getting spammed every week?

    Is this the board’s new equivalent of .32/.380 jusasgud or Shasneed or hunting bears and living out of a van with a 9mm Glock?

    The VCOG 1-8x is a nice scope but it’s not objectively the best optic or LPVO. Once you reach a certain price point in optics, nothing really is, it’s just sidegrades with different feature sets and pros and cons.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      >The VCOG 1-8x is a nice scope but it’s not objectively the best optic or LPVO. Once you reach a certain price point in optics, nothing really is, it’s just sidegrades with different feature sets and prod and cons.
      This anon knows. At the $2k+ level there are lots of good options and one should be getting reasonably picky about things like reticle, and by the same token there isn't yet "one scope to dominate them all" either. I like my ATACR 1-8 for example, and really like its reticle, but it's not flawless either. And honestly the mere concept of LPVOs itself involves tradeoffs and is often not the best choice vs holo+mag or MPVO+rds or whatever.

      [...]
      A decent mount should be like 7oz. There are heavier mounts too but with a normal scope you can also pick on that measure. I personally don't think +/- 2-5oz is the end of the world at this level but some people really count the grams so not zero consideration.

      The VCOG 1-8 is only $1500

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I wish

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >The VCOG 1-8x is a nice scope but it’s not objectively the best optic or LPVO. Once you reach a certain price point in optics, nothing really is, it’s just sidegrades with different feature sets and prod and cons.
    This anon knows. At the $2k+ level there are lots of good options and one should be getting reasonably picky about things like reticle, and by the same token there isn't yet "one scope to dominate them all" either. I like my ATACR 1-8 for example, and really like its reticle, but it's not flawless either. And honestly the mere concept of LPVOs itself involves tradeoffs and is often not the best choice vs holo+mag or MPVO+rds or whatever.

    >includes mount

    A decent mount should be like 7oz. There are heavier mounts too but with a normal scope you can also pick on that measure. I personally don't think +/- 2-5oz is the end of the world at this level but some people really count the grams so not zero consideration.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    sell me on vcog vs s&b pmii or vudu or atacr or other nice ones

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      1-8x VCOG:
      + Great optical quality
      + Best eyebox on 8x?
      + Decent FoV
      - Meh illumination
      - Kinda heavy (yes I’m accounting for the mount)

      S&B Dual CC 1-8x:
      + Gucci glass, doesn’t seem to distort much when you move around in the eyebox either (center dot illumination dims though)
      + Center dot size remains constant
      + Option for full reticle illumination
      - Thickass scope body occlusion
      - Dead illumination = Nearly unusable reticle on 1x
      - Kinda heavy

      ATACR 1-8x:
      + Great optical quality
      + Best 1x eyebox out of the listed LPVOs?
      - Small FoV on low end, scope body kinda thick

      EoTech Vudu 1-8x:
      + Least ocular occlusion
      + Lightest
      + Most usable reticle on 1x without illumination
      - Probably the worst glass out of the 4 (still good though)
      - SFP on a 1-8x, kinda weird
      - Ranging holdovers are a bit funky

      There’s more to it but that’s things in a nutshell. I’m not including the EoTech Vudu 1-10x because I barely know anything about it or the 1-6x because I think it’s sorta moronic (get the SAI 6 or the Leupold Mk6 instead if you insist that hard on a 1-6x FFP).

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks a lot for the effort post anon. There are reticle considerations as well but of course everyone can just go look at those for themselves. Only thing I'd add is that all else being equal a larger primary tube does allow for some additional light gathering power and such, at the price of weight. Someone who did a lot of lowlight/twilight or such work would probably want to compare multiple ones under those conditions.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >There is no more debate>OP's opinion
    Pic, My response to OP.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >buy scope
    >uses alkaline batteries
    What did they mean by this?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >he thinks "AA" means "alkaline" and doesn't include "lithium" and "NiMH"
      >What did they mean by this?
      They meant that you're an absolute fricking moron anon, that's what they meant by that.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I know there are lithium AA, you fricking monkey nut. You think the vast majority of people who buy that scope are actually going to use lithium batteries? It's the same for the CompM5, they're getting it because "readily available batteries" because 2032s are so much harder to find.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >You think the vast majority of people who buy that scope are actually going to use lithium batteries?
          Uh, yeah? You can just get them at the local hardware store, and I do indeed think the vast majority of people spending almost THREE THOUSAND FRICKING DOLLARS on an optic will indeed spend the extra buck on a lithium battery holy shit. Or else maybe NiMH rechargeables, Enerloops are quite good. But honestly if dropping that kind of dosh then yes of course I'm going to use good batteries with it.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Your faith in people is commendable, my friend, while I believe you will make the smart decision, I personally believe that the general populace of the firearms community is filled with morons who don't think too much about anything, but would whole heartedly take the recommendation of a YouTuber/s.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >I personally believe that the general populace of the firearms community
              "The general populace of the firearms community" isn't buying gucci optics anon, get out of your bubble. This isn't a self-selected subsample of the general population, not even a random one. It comes with a lithium battery out of the box as well based on reading the sales page. Actually that's a question, will the thing even run on alkaline chemistries rather than Li-FeS2? Lithium are stable in higher drain across the curve. I don't own one but I assume it's in the manual.

              At any rate though saying "uses alkaline" is still wrong, it uses an AA size. If someone spends that kind of dosh and then uses substandard stuff, well that's their own choice.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is there anything cheaper (< $300) that's similar to the acog + micro red dot setup? I was a low power prism, magnifiers are no good since red dots look like a big blur. But also want something like the Primary arms combat reticle red dot for fast shooting up close.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Probably Nothing youd want to use. A decent micro dot alone will be close to $300 at least. $300 would be close to the bottom of what is worth spending for a product going on anything more than an airsoft gun.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You people never fricking learn.

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