>The XM-157

>The XM-157
Post weapons which live up to the hype

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Did more info come out about the XM-157 NGSW-FC or something? This is the second thread I've seen on it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      One hour ago memethumb posted a interview with its program manager.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >REEEE MUH PEAK YOUTUBE EDGNESS
    Yawn, this thing was discussed here years ago.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      first time weve seen it in live fire

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's neat to see more info coming out on this. Notable info for people who don't want to watch the 30 minute video that's mainly talking:
    >they can't give a out the specific usable range for the optic, but it's usable out to the effective ranges of the XM5 and XM250 with the new .277 furry cartridge they shoot
    >the remote you see on the picatinny rail not only plugs into the optic, but also has a second port that can be used to control lights and other accessories
    >possible future expansion capabilities include a thermal module that will display an overlay in the scope
    >it will work on the M2 apparently
    >several week battery life in normal mission scenarios
    >no new info on the weight
    >Vortex will sell it on the civilian market eventually, but they're contractually obligated to sell upwards of 250k units to the US Army first and can't give a deadline on that, none of the technology is classified
    >the software guys have probably run Doom on it
    >you can have up to 10 targets saved, which will have markers appear in your field of view like spotted targets in the Battlefield series and the scope will display the appropriate hold over for whichever target marked target you have the gun pointed at

    Actual long range shooting starts at 27 minutes and includes:
    >him quickly putting one round on a target at 300, 500, and 600 yards in about 9 seconds using the multiple saved targets feature
    >him putting a round in a target at 200 yards, ranging a target at 700 yards, then putting a round in it in 7 seconds

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >possible future expansion capabilities include a thermal module that will display an overlay in the scope
      Don't they need this to go with the new Predator vision NVGs? Its supposed to integrate with IVAS so you just point the gun and see what the scope sees to blast people.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Its supposed to integrate with IVAS so you just point the gun and see what the scope sees to blast people.
        The current FWS-I is what does this, but it just makes sense to take that further and integrate it into the scope rather than needing a separate accessory. They say in the video that it will be able to do that style outline in the scope overlay as well rather than just having the full thermal like you'd have with a separate unit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's stated to have ATAK integration for marking targets.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        IVAS is dying

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          lol no it's not

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's not going to be adopted this round. If it were they wouldn't have bought ENVG for the USMC and now Army units. Once they field it they're going to kick it back and hold a competition. Right now there's only one company partnered since the others dropped out.

            It's basically where the NGSW was back when they were trialing LSAT.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The IVAS was never planned for immediate full adoption and is planned to be phased in slowly with incremental upgrades just like what was done with the ENVG when it was first issue in 2009, and went through multiple revisions before getting to the ENVG-B that's being used now.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Will work on the M2
      Now THIS I want to see.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        just needs the Delta P 50 caliber suppressor and you've figured out the M2A2 upgrade package

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          A dildo shaped suppressor on a reciprocating barrel firearm...?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >no new info on the weight
      It weighs the same as a lpvo with Wilcox raptar on top per the rep's implications that basically laid it out. It's a heavy optic.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It weighs less than a comparable LPVO + a Wilcox RAPTAR, it's the same thing they've said previously.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >277 furry cartridge
      >furry
      I'm on PrepHole, no, no that checks out, carry on!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >he doesn't know

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >>the software guys have probably run Doom on it
      Okay? The rest of this sounds pretty cool tho.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm glad to hear it's not actually that complex and can function as a perfectly normal LPVO if the ranging module gets damaged or removed. Lotta the meme when it got announced was that it'd be some overly complex shit that half the soldiers wouldn't wanna bother with actually using and would break the moment it gets in the hands of a marine.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Only full on neo-ludite retards repeated that. It was pretty obvious from the beginning that this would be a much more refined design than the TrackingPoint that first demonstrated features like this about a decade ago. I should state that I personally don't have any plans of owning one of these or see much of a civilian use case.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    And then they decided to chop it and put a shittier self destroying gas length on it.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't really live up to the hype of being an aimbot
    >calculates drop only
    >doesn't calculate windage (yes there are projected 10 mph wind holds, you can have this without the ballistic computer)
    >doesn't track target movement
    >doesn't tell you how much you have to lead your targets
    >obviously doesn't hold your gun steady and aim for you

    This basically just takes the easiest part of long range shooting, ranging, and semi-automates it.

    Now is this still an improvement over manual ranging? Yes, it's certainly more precise and potentially faster. Have a hard time seeing how this is a real paradigm shift for normal infantrymen like it's being built up to be though. Maybe if you're overlooking a long range patrol/ambush point and the optic can allow you to manually input wind data because there's someone else who can measure that with a dedicated device, and then the optic can automatically calculate the precise holdover - this isn't clearly implied to be the case currently though.

    >But Garand Thumb was able to shoot all those targets super fast!

    Yes you can also autorange targets with existing optics. In a case like this where target sizes and ranges are basically already known, existing BDCs already tell you where to holdover for different distance drops.

    The advantage would increase in circumstances where target size and distance are NOT known ahead of time, but again, skeptical that this will be any kind of revolutionary development - at least at the current moment.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >doesn't calculate windage (yes there are projected 10 mph wind holds, you can have this without the ballistic computer)
      Actual wind holds can change depending on the temperature and pressure (which also varies by elevation). Same with drop. Having aiming solutions calculated on the fly based on local conditions is much more accurate, especially when you start pushing out to longer ranges. This also allows for different ammo/weapon profiles rather than needing to come from the factory with a non changeable reticle for a singe specific bullet/velocity combination.

      doesn't hold your gun steady
      There's that steadycam grip for that.

      >Yes you can also autorange targets with existing optics. In a case like this where target sizes and ranges are basically already known, existing BDCs already tell you where to holdover for different distance drops.
      Yeah, except that requires a laser rangefinder and filling out a range card beforehand, or having targets set up to range with the scope which doesn't happen when not shooting at the range. This can also share targets between squad members, including guys with heavier weapons.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Actual wind holds can change depending on the temperature and pressure (which also varies by elevation).
        If you need a 10 mph crossover wind hold and you know it, then sure. However there is no guarantee that this will necessarily be the case, nor is it confirmed that the scope will actually illuminate any specific point within the FoV rather than one of the already etched wind holds (

        https://i.imgur.com/jgUE2xR.jpg

        is likely a very basic representation of the scope image and not actually an image through a scope, another one of Vortex's such recreations had the scope illuminating the preset dots)

        This results in little actual change as in most circumstances the 10 mph wind hold is not going to change enough to shift the holdover point to an adjacent dot, potentially likewise for drop depending on how fine the subtensions are. As for different range profiles, this is mostly a matter of convenience rather than effectiveness.

        >There's that steadycam grip for that.
        Which they are not using it any capacity beyond some vague references to field testing at one point and, from the sound of it, are not projected to use in the future.

        >Yeah, except that requires a laser rangefinder and filling out a range card beforehand
        If you have a mil/moa hash scope and can't remember your range holds, but that's 2 preconditions.

        >or having targets set up to range with the scope which doesn't happen when not shooting at the range.
        You extrapolate and estimate, if not based on the target, then on surrounding objects.

        Again, doing this automatically is an improvement, but it doesn't make it an aimbot.

        >This can also share targets between squad members, including guys with heavier weapons.
        That's fair, I can see this easing communication if their coordination is on point, assuming each aiming point is uniquely labeled and appears the same to each squad member. Which seems easy enough to do, although this hasn't been explicitly confirmed either.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >nor is it confirmed that the scope will actually illuminate any specific point within the FoV rather than one of the already etched wind holds
          Why the fuck wouldn't it? It's already confirmed that the display covers the full field of vision and they talk about the possibility of an FLIR addon that displays an overlay in the scope. Why do you think they would half ass that one aspect of it?

          >>Yeah, except that requires a laser rangefinder and filling out a range card beforehand
          >If you have a mil/moa hash scope and can't remember your range holds, but that's 2 preconditions.
          People dealing with static positions where they range out different features beforehand don't just go by memory. It doesn't matter what kind of reticle they're using.

          >>or having targets set up to range with the scope which doesn't happen when not shooting at the range.
          >You extrapolate and estimate, if not based on the target, then on surrounding objects.
          Range estimation without any form of rangefinder is an objectively shit way of doing things.

          >although this hasn't been explicitly confirmed either.
          It's been talked about in previous interviews.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Why the fuck wouldn't it?
            Because that is not what they have previously implied, picrel

            But as has been alluded to previously, this is kind of a moot point because 1) this is assuming you actually need a 10 mph cross hold and 2) atmospheric conditions are not going to make that big of a difference most of the time, as far as the average infantryman is concerned. (It would, for example, be paltry compared to only a slight range or wind miscalculation)

            >People dealing with static positions where they range out different features beforehand don't just go by memory. It doesn't matter what kind of reticle they're using.
            Hmm? If I have an ACOG-type BDC reticle then I have my range drops already displayed. If I have a mil/moa reticle then I can get to the point where I have my number of subtensions roughly memorized for standard ranges (e.g. need to aim x subtensions down for 400, y for 500, and if in between, then somewhere in between x and y). I may or may not still carry a dope card but that doesn't mean I need to consult it every time.

            >Range estimation without any form of rangefinder is an objectively shit way of doing things.
            Yet it's been deemed good enough for the vast majority of people who are not snipers, hence why rifle-mounted rangefinders, even micro-sized ones like the MRF Xe, aren't generally all that popular outside the PLR community.

            >It's been talked about in previous interviews.
            I don't recall those interviews specifically saying they would generate a unique label for each set point.

            Here is what I mean. Guy 1 sets e.g. aimpoint A, aimpoint B, and aimpoint C. Guy 2 sets aimpoint A, aimpoint B, and aimpoint C. And so on.

            If guy 2 decides to share data (and this is presumably not done automatically because it is suggested the scope can only accommodate 10 aiming points), then Guy 2's aimpoint A, B, and C needs to be designated e.g. A2, B2, and C2 for the entire squad.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wow, so the guys working on that ArmA mod got that part right

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's both weird and amazing to live in a time period where decades-old FPS shooters are now reminiscent of modern military technologies

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A quick search says that they’re building 250,000 for $2.7 billion, or $10,800 each. That would be optic plus the tech support contracts so unit cost for civilians will probably be 4-5 thousand.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >so unit cost for civilians will probably be 4-5 thousand.
      not following your reasoning on this

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Military contracts include the cost of spare parts/repairs/other company support in the cost of an item.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yeah, I think this contract specifically includes ongoing development to integrate with other weapons and expand future capabilities (IE upgrades to the ranging box, and additional attachments) so you very much can't just divide the cost of the program by the number of optics ordered.

          So yeah, ~$3-5k seems a reasonable retail price.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Since they're using a US military software ballistics library at the moment, what are they going to use on the civilian version?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Applied Ballistics no doubt. Same thing Kestrels models with a built in ballistic calculator use.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ill wait till the forgotten weapons episode. i don't want to hear some vortex shill listing its features while GT just quips from the sidelines

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Weak bait

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The only thing that will be forgotten here is your dead carcass after you get sniped with one of these.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He doesn't have as much to say because it's a giant leap forward in technology that he doesn't have a ton of experience with. Smart move letting the most experienced person there talk about it.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So from what I understand, is this thing supposed to turn your average fresh-out-of-bootcamp 11B into the equivalent of a decent designated marksman, assuming they have the fundamentals down?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, and with tungsten ADVAP-EPR 6.8 Sig Furry NGSWs it will punch most plates. Every rifleman a sniper.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Tungsten AP almost certainly isn't going to be mass issued as tungsten carbide is 1) very expensive and 2) most of the world's tungsten supply comes from China, and tungsten is too valuable to spend fecklessly if the supply is limited. Indeed the project specifies 2 combat rounds, a general purpose round that's probably steel EPR, and the special purpose round that is likely AP.

        Angles and distance also need to be taken into account, M993 for example starts becoming unreliable against many level IV plates out of a 16" even at CQB range. 6.8 Tungsten ADVAP will almost certainly pierce the vast majority (if not all) of wearable plates at 5m, but is it going to have meaningfully better performance than 16" M993 at 100m and a modest 20 degree angle? Because even that is probably a much shorter range than they envision this rifle being used at.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much yea, as long as you know how to shoot and you've gotten a 10-20 minute brief on how to use the optic, you should be able to make 700 meter 1st round shots pretty reliably.

  12. 1 month ago
    WhatGrip?WhatStock?

    Anyone know if it has an integrated angle of declination/inclination meter that feeds the computer as well?

    Shame that this integrated sort fire control device was first done with a stupid LPVO as opposed to a MPVO or a higher power scope.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Either this one or GD's entry was confirmed to, and could also adjust for cant if you were shooting from an awkward position. Given it's a typical inclination/declination is a popular feature for laser range finders, both almost certainly can.

      https://i.imgur.com/e8qhwP2.png

      >>the software guys have probably run Doom on it
      Okay? The rest of this sounds pretty cool tho.

      It was a point that was joked around about in the video.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I actually wonder if it's gonna either elevate or completely murder the PRS scene

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