It's real, but still inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. Russians will celebrate the destruction of a single tank while losing the equivalent of three companies in a single week.
The crew apparently survived.
George Humbleberry Crockington from London Oblast here. My morale is strikingly deflated. I cannot believe the audacity of those unsavory ukraine rapscallions to allow our finest british armor to be defeated by reliable and effective soviet weaponry, the whole situation is rather daft as it were. Clearly they are a questionable lot whom we should stop trade with immediately lest they ruin more pieces of her majesty's arsenal. Tally ho!
Indeed, my good sir, and furthermore might I add that we should forthwith punish this slight upon His Majesty's good name by ceasing our supply of any and all warstuffs and training by our most stalwart men of arms. The Tsar will sue for peace any day now, gentlemen, and when it comes to negotiation I prefer a black treacle to a mince pie myself
NTA but look at the other five threads on it. It's real.
Russia lost 9 tanks in the same timeframe btw but they don't talk about that.
Like other anon said, crew survived fine.
It was a fuel tank rupture and everyone made it out.
I think the actual story is that: >tank hits mine, track is disabled >crew evacuate >abandoned tank is hit by lancet2 >fuel tank ruptures, burns
It's even worse, the factory already belongs to Rheinmetall (well, a subsidiary they bought some time back) but the Swiss refused the export permits for the produced munitions.
Even the already produced munitions that were lying around in Germany and basically waiting for their disposal couldn't be delivered to Ukraine because they were made there.
But their turbogayry didn't stop there, you heard of the 100 Leopard 1s that are blocked by the Swiss? They are Italian and would have been transported through Switzerland - can't have that as a neutral nation, no Sir!
>new assemply line
Fuck the Swiss.I hope their entire defense industry collapses.Why would anyone buy from them if they are no longer willing to sell to you after a war starts?
>Fuck the Swiss.I hope their entire defense industry collapses.Why would anyone buy from them if they are no longer willing to sell to you after a war starts?
Already happening, the loss of a quasi monopoly on this kind of ammunition is a big step. The rest will follow suit over the next few years.
And that's a good thing.
the Swiss are retards but those Leopard 1s dont actually belong to Italy anymore and are owned by a Swiss defense/storage company that hoped to sell them for profit after having bought them from cheap from the Italian government some years ago.
Transport isn't the issue since France exists
For some reason the entire Swiss defense industry forgot about the fact that their country is based on Cowardice and Neutrality so now they are crying about the fact that every EU countries defense industries are pulling out of Switzerland and are refusing to work with them or the Swiss army on new projects or include them in new projects
EU Militaries are also doing the same thing of distancing themself and not wanting to give them contracts for anything
also doesnt help the fact that the Swiss defense industry decided it was a good idea to subcontract their job to Repair Taiwanese Tooling used for producing their Military gear to a Chinese company
and that just happened like 1 year ago
>owned by a Swiss defense/storage company that hoped to sell them for profit
And their own government is fucking them over.
>subcontract their job to Repair Taiwanese Tooling used for producing their Military gear to a Chinese company
For the F-5 or what Taiwanese equipment do the Swiss use?
>the Swiss are retards but those Leopard 1s dont actually belong to Italy anymore and are owned by a Swiss defense/storage company that hoped to sell them for profit after having bought them from cheap from the Italian government some years ago.
Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the clarification!
The law that caused this whole clusterfuck had the intend to prevent further weapon sales to countries that are involved in a conflict to prevent misuse (e.g. buying a small amount during peace time, starting a war, buying lots more) but nobody thought about the consequences.
And then they started fucking around really bad by deliberately interpreting the law quite literal. And even after they were seeing the consequences for themselves, they decided to follow that path further.
Their excuse is that they are a direct democracy and to change this law a referendum is necessary which can't just be held like that, that needs preparation and is expensive and muh neutrality.
The delusions about their independence and neutrality run deep and this isn't the first time in the last few years they acted retarded and lost standing with neighboring countries.
>Today I had the displeasure of arguing with a Swiss that wanted Ukraine to surrender >A Swiss. A fucking Swiss. Surrender. They are lost.
To be fair, they were probably French Swiss. The French have lots of experience with surrendering.
1) Russoid attack helos can have serious armor.
2) APDS has a flatter trajectory
3) Gepards are VERY good at shredding through ground stuff such as lightly armored vehicles.
>Not as embarrasing as the challenger being destroyed the day after it was finally deployed
Shill-kun, you guys spammed that deployed challenger with a cope cage all last month. At least stay consistent
Looks like a MiG-31 but with a oddly MiG-25 shaped radome and outboard wing pylons extending well forward from the edge of the wing, or are those R-77s?
Is the perspective fucking with me or something?
Calm down there, it's car tires.
Now why there are car tires and what some Russian base commander expects them to do against another drone dropping thermobaric grenades on aircraft is anyone's guess.
Some anon thought it was meant to embarrass their higher ups into declaring war footing authorising more defensive measures to be taken.
According to the Russian news that guy is getting an award(?) and some general said the tires are good and a temporary stop-gap measure until permanent shelters are constructed.
It would be NERA, Non Explisive Reactive Armor. Usually made out of rubber and metal plates. The rubber expands when a HEAT jet hits it and probels the metal plates into the jet. Now without the metal it is more or less just a spacer like the rubber fingers on a PzH2000, but if it actually works, who knows.
Because the most important part of camouflage is actually contrast. A lighter color that is vaguely near the same spectrum as the background will make it harder to see. That is why the Japanese used a light green camo in WW2 for some of their ships. At least that’s the only thing that outright comes to mind. Besides it maybe being a trainer.
>Pretty long lead time for 10,000 rounds
That's new production line out of nothing. Now that it has been estrablished the batches will slowly increase into millions per month.
At 300k ordered?
Gepards aren't artillery that you just lob at russians until they're all dead, they serve a very specific purpose and the ammo needed for that is limited.
>At 300k ordered?
how to say you know nothing about DEU MIC without saying it.
Yes, new ammo production OF ANY AMOUNT with a run-up starting in May 2022 (when the Swiss decided to shit the bed in April, and then made it 100% clear they weren't going to change their minds) is titanic.
Knowing the Germans I would have assumed 2025 at the earliest.
Newfriend, look at all weapon systems that use 35x228 and understand why building that line is a huge deal.
https://i.imgur.com/bKahLcz.jpg
>AP rounds
got AHEAD? or do only the Swiss make those?
>AHEAD is only better than conventional Proximity fuze rounds when targeting something with a low radar profile aka small drones that proximity fuzes have an issue detecting
How hard can it be its just sabot and tracer not programmable? It is a little bit worrying Rheinmetall already has ammunition factories and resizing they should be able to push this much out of their existing production in weeks. I suspect we may be getting the translation off and its really a new factory. Does say "new assembly line".
Hunnybuns, the whole production line for this kind of ammunition existed (still does) in the hands of Rheinmetall - it's just located in Switzerland and they are a bit of a cunt. That means not only can't you export newly made rounds from the country, you also can't export the tools/machines needed.
And you don't just throw out a working production line to retool. That fucks over every order that was placed on it. Can't do that in the capitalist system.
Seven months for a completely new production line is not bad, considering that everything was bought either second hand where possible and available and the rest (the larger part) had to be ordered from scratch - which, even if you have deep pockets and pay for fast delivery it will take some time simply because it has to be built.
Could it have been done faster? Maybe, but it would have been a lot more expensive and then you meet the whole bureaucratic clusterfuck.
Well I hope they get some major subsequent orders otherwise they burned themselves. 300,000 rounds is tiddlywinks an ordinary battalion 30mm range shoot day is 25,000 and this is essentially comparable being non AHEAD.
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I'm pretty sure they will find buyers. Everyone that has something important will be (is) looking to buy some kind of mobile intermediate caliber AAA against drones.
AHEAD is nice, but expensive - even if you refit existing guns the ammo is not on the cheap size. So just using dumb fire munitions on a radar enabled gun will be cheaper, even if you use more rounds per intercept.
And as you said, 300k rounds is not overwhelmingly much. But hey are used in a very effective system that's used on a very narrow mission profile.
Doctrinally Gepards would have been used against attack aircraft that were a lot faster and bigger than drones. Accordingly more rounds/intercept were expected that aren't necessary right now.
I hope RuAG and associated companies either fucking collapse altogether, or end up wasting shittons of mountaingarden gnome govt gibs to be kept on life support.
Setting up a new production line for anything and starting to ship product within 7 months is rather impressive. Its not like you can buy the tooling for that OTS. If you also consider that ammo production needs all kinds of certification, this is really fast.
I never said lost. I said disabled. > 2 par des mines ou des IED, ce qui a endommagé le train de roulement, sans détruire le char, et un autre par un tir de RPG que le système de grille protectrice semble avoir stoppé
not translating for you, you can do it.
>we know they’re lying, they know we know they’re lying, we know they know we know they’re lying
5th gen warfare is gay as fuck. if we had this type of shilling during the war on terror people would have been cheering for the Iraqi army and taliban, then insurgents from day 1
>new assemply line
Fuck the Swiss.I hope their entire defense industry collapses.Why would anyone buy from them if they are no longer willing to sell to you after a war starts?
>defense industry
Their defense industry is already taking a hit because countries are building their own shit at home since the swiss started to act like gays. What the swiss don't understand is that defense industries relies on security/trust for it to be successful.
>pretty long lead time
And in seven months, Putin has gone from ransacking the last decades-old Cold War stockpiles of his Soviet Empire forebears to groveling before the Norks for some of their decades-old Cold War stockpiles. >Not as embarrasing as the challenger being destroyed the day after it was finally deployed
It's spelled "embarrassing", and I fully expect the first hit on an Abrams will be spammed ad nauseum, providing an annoyance for the jannies yet also a tacit acknowledgement from every vatnik that Western tech really is that superior to what Russia can field. >"It wasn't a complete shutout! We have PROOFS of scratching the paint on one of their tanks! xaxaxaxaxaxaxa"
>IIRC it's not proxy fused, rather a laser measures distance and the round disintegrates into tungsten shrapnel before impact
That's just a proximity fuze with a different mechanism. Distinction without a difference.
[...]
Not a single Gepard is capable of using that round correctly due to not having the correct electronics in their muzzles nor any systems to code these Munitions
>because isn't that why the Gepard has been useful?
Gepard is the radar connected to capable guns via a nice fire control system.
That they are using APDS rounds against drones shows the precision they are achieving with it.
[...]
Gepard doesn't have AHEAD capable guns, they only measure v0 at the muzzle to correct for the next shot.
But in principle the guns (as well as the fire control system) should be rather easily refitable with the system.
IIRC it's not proxy fused, rather a laser measures distance and the round disintegrates into tungsten shrapnel before impact
I am not sure if the Gepard can use this type of ammo though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHEAD_ammunition
Not a single Gepard is capable of using that round correctly due to not having the correct electronics in their muzzles nor any systems to code these Munitions
there is supposedly an addon you can built into it, but is too inefficient. but from what we've seein the HEF-I and APDS-T are more than adequate in the ukraine war environment
also reminder that the Germans thought the Swiss or Brazilians would cave in with the ammo deliveries. so the order to setup a new production line started end of Feb this year to the first batch delivery now
>because isn't that why the Gepard has been useful?
Gepard is the radar connected to capable guns via a nice fire control system.
That they are using APDS rounds against drones shows the precision they are achieving with it.
IIRC it's not proxy fused, rather a laser measures distance and the round disintegrates into tungsten shrapnel before impact
I am not sure if the Gepard can use this type of ammo though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHEAD_ammunition
Gepard doesn't have AHEAD capable guns, they only measure v0 at the muzzle to correct for the next shot.
But in principle the guns (as well as the fire control system) should be rather easily refitable with the system.
> AHEAD guns >should be rather easily refitable with the system
I sure do hope somebody is making that happen already. With state of the art stuff right now, that would nearly be a next gen leap in possibilities.
Rheinmetall should create a full upgrade package for the Gepard. New radars, AHEAD functionality, the MANPAD module, a secondary opto-IR targeting module, APU/engine tweaks etc.
Rheinmetall should create a full upgrade package for the Gepard. New radars, AHEAD functionality, the MANPAD module, a secondary opto-IR targeting module, APU/engine tweaks etc.
They'd prefer it if you'd just by its successor for obvious reasons but another upgrade package is probably not out of the question if enough countries with old stock signal interest.
Meaning south Americans, Qatar abd Ukraine, probably.
Also Romania who have 36 (+ 7 spares).
Skyranger 30 has several advantages over a hypothetical Gepard+ (not least of which smaller size, meaning it can be mounted on 6x6 vehicles), but it's a direct downgrade in terms of capability (2 MANPADS compared to a hypothetical 4 on the G+, 30 mm gun has 3 km max effective range compared to 4.5 for the 35).
Ah, it seems the froggies have developed a 4-piece module for integrating Mistral to the Skyranger 30. This would mean the only downgrade is the shorter range of the 30 mm guns.
OK Vatnikbros, why is the decadent sexpests from the collective West able to get an ammunition line going in seven months? Weren't they all supposed to be dumb morons, arabs and trannies?
>OK Vatnikbros, why is the decadent sexpests from the collective West able to get an ammunition line going in seven months?
It's because of all our experience having trains run on our women, if there's anything we know, it's how to process things in a pipeline.
>Plus a new source of drones since China banned the sale to Ukraine of drones (but didn't for Russia :*~~))
this did not happen
its geopolitical and economically retarded for china to do anyways
by restricting exports they will just insentivise the West to build their own cheap drone market while they also lose money just to help their shit ally that cant give anything in return
>What do you mean it didn't?
then why didnt it impact Ukrainian drone units?
they seem to be operating just normally and getting all the parts they need without any issue
that "export restriction" was more of a formality and a way to not look like a bad ally when in reality Chinese companies easily just get around these restrictions without any legal trouble or repercussions by for example just selling the drone components separately instead of already assembled drones or just sending it to a EU country and then shipping it to Ukraine
Chinese companies get around the restrictions in the same as any other country that wants to bypass sanctions.They sell them to poland or any other country willing to sell to Ukraine.
>its geopolitical and economically retarded for china to do anyways >by restricting exports they will just insentivise the West to build their own cheap drone market
I kind of wish they would, there's lots of poor countries in Europe that could take over electronics production and assembly. It would make Europe more self-sufficient and cut one more thread in China's leverage.
Right ? Just invest in the Balkan to produce that shit it isn't like they are too stupid to produce those they just need a little finance, plus it would be a win-win for all parties involved.
No it isn't. There are various upgraded versions of Challenger 2. HAAIP, for example. Then there is Challenger 2E which is the export version. There is also the upgraded thermal version which I don't think is part of LEP upgrade.
the original revision chally 2 was first fielded in 1993 lmao
It's like the abrooms where it's been continually upgraded over the years rather than creating a new chasis. Saying it's the most modern chally fielded is retarded
>has to be some reason for it.
because the DS in APDS means Discarding Sabot and that causes these rounds to have better range and velocity which is important for fast interceptions with the downside of having no space for explosive filler
CIWS is geared towards small(ish) targets like mortar rounds. Those are most easily countered (at the time of it's commissioning) with a hit to kill "interceptor". Larger targets potentially need more than one hit, but that's what fire rate is for.
>has to be some reason for it.
because the DS in APDS means Discarding Sabot and that causes these rounds to have better range and velocity which is important for fast interceptions with the downside of having no space for explosive filler
>the downside of having no space for explosive filler
20mm is rather small, yes. At that size punching bigger holes is probably more effective than a few small ones.
Projectile speed is mostly needed for range. How flat its trajectory is doesn't matter as much as in a rifle since the target is not on the same plane but more or less steep upwards. Since the ballistic curve is known it is taken into consideration while calculating the intercept point.
it also has APDS shells mixed into it main belts IRL but Warthunder created some BS AP rounds instead to neuter its main belts because they have a hardon for fucking over Germany...
"There is some significance in that it's the first documented loss of a Challenger 2 in Ukraine," according to Sonny Butterworth, an analyst with Janes Defence.
Nice video, it proved that the Lancet could hit an abandoned and therefore stationary AA system as well as any other target of that size.
What we, as usual, don't see is the aftermath: The Gepard drove off that field under its own power and the minor damage (even to the radar system that is completely exposed) was quickly repaired and the unit is still in service in Ukraine.
Nice video, it proved that the Lancet could hit an abandoned and therefore stationary AA system as well as any other target of that size.
What we, as usual, don't see is the aftermath: The Gepard drove off that field under its own power and the minor damage (even to the radar system that is completely exposed) was quickly repaired and the unit is still in service in Ukraine.
The Gepards in Ukraine turned out to be very effective against Shahed-136 drones; the radar can detect them 16 kilometres (9.9 mi) away and it takes as few as six rounds to shoot them down with a similar number needed to destroy a cruise missile.[20] One of the Gepards downed 10 Shaheds in a single engagement.[21] RUSI noted that the Gepards were particularly effective against the drones.[22] Ukraine allegedly suffered its first Gepard loss in April 2023 to a Lancet loitering munition,[23] although the full video shows the Gepard relatively intact after the impact.
>wunderwaffle tank shilled for months as being the game changer
maybe by buttblasted zigger fucktards, not a big deal for anyone else - that said, the amount of sheer cope gayry one damaged vehicle seems to inspire in zignogs makes we thing we should definitely send more.
Swiss don't produce them anymore, they could be made by the same factory, if needed.
AHEAD is not only the round, you also need the system on the gun. Which the Gepards are lacking since they were being retired when that system was production ready.
why are you gays so retarded with AHEAD rounds in this thread???
AHEAD is a round that needs a special muzzle brake to function
AHEAD is only better than conventional Proximity fuze rounds when targeting something with a low radar profile aka small drones that proximity fuzes have an issue detecting
but the Gepard is mostly used to shoot down larger long-range suicide drones so its not needed even though it couldnt use these rounds anyways even if it tried
>AHEAD is only better than conventional Proximity fuze rounds when targeting something with a low radar profile aka small drones
So at exactly what Ukraine is doing right now.
Well, look at this: >The biggest turning point for the company came in 1999 with the sale of various core businesses and virtually all interests in other companies that no longer fitted Oerlikon's new business concept. The company sold its arms division, Oerlikon Contraves Defence, to the German Rheinmetall DeTec, where it now operates under the new name of Rheinmetall Air Defence AG.
But it's a new development, 1999 was only 24 years ago. So not even a quarter of a century since then.
Dunno about whatever Spanish company was supposed to produce ammo, but the Nammo thing fell through due to Nammo failing to properly re-engineer the rounds, causing the ammo to be useless.
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2022/07/31/norway-delivered-gepard-spaag-35mm-shells-are-useless-in-ukraine/
Germany kinda got burned in its search for ammo for the Gepard. Switzerland methodically blocked every stash of ammo the Germans found around the world, then the Nords fucked up their production, then the Brazilians decided to keep their stash, and on and on and on. No wonder the Krauts just went "Fuck this! I'll do it myself." And here we are today.
the deal with the Spaniards just went trough recently and there was no way they would produce the 35 for the Gepards. Instead those factories are going to be full focus on 120 and 155. The Gepard OG ammo has some weird quirk, which is why the Norwegian 35 wasn't working without some hax apparently, like something about the ring had to be adjusts
>Dunno about whatever Spanish company was supposed to produce ammo,
They weren't specifically meant to produce ammo for the Gepard but Rheinmetall bought Expal Systems S.A.U.
>destroy 1 (one) single tank from the 20th century >IT'S OVER WE DEFEATED NATO BROTHERS
its genuinely funny
what the fuck happened to you morons hahahaa
>IMMEDIATELY tries to turn a completely unrelated thread into a challenger thread
Guys, come on
https://i.imgur.com/k2zQ6Mu.png
[...] >pretty long lead time
And in seven months, Putin has gone from ransacking the last decades-old Cold War stockpiles of his Soviet Empire forebears to groveling before the Norks for some of their decades-old Cold War stockpiles. >Not as embarrasing as the challenger being destroyed the day after it was finally deployed
It's spelled "embarrassing", and I fully expect the first hit on an Abrams will be spammed ad nauseum, providing an annoyance for the jannies yet also a tacit acknowledgement from every vatnik that Western tech really is that superior to what Russia can field. >"It wasn't a complete shutout! We have PROOFS of scratching the paint on one of their tanks! xaxaxaxaxaxaxa"
Everything you say makes you look maximum retarded.
Why do you offer your dumbshit opinions if you can't even differentiate between the regularly scheduled slav genocide we get every 20-30 years and WWIII?
Why do you insist in embarrassing yourself if you can't differentiate between a production line and an assembly line?
Everything you say makes you look maximum retarded.
Why do you offer your dumbshit opinions if you can't even differentiate between the regularly scheduled slav genocide we get every 20-30 years and WWIII?
Why do you insist in embarrassing yourself if you can't differentiate between a production line and an assembly line?
Acknowledge the correction, admit you are retarded and don't know what you're talking about in the slightest, then we can start your education.
You don't get to be an arrogant cunt while asking to be spoon-fed, tourist. Know your fucking place, trash.
You mean ammo for the twin 35mm gun SPAAG with a firing rate of 600 rounds per minute? I just want want to make sure you didn't confuse those numbers with something relevant to the course of the ongoing war, like say, 155mm artillery rounds of which the entirety of NATO produces less in a month than Russia does every week.
>155mm artillery rounds of which the entirety of NATO produces less in a month than Russia does every week.
Anon, counting the same load of shells multiple times is not what "producing" means.
>like say, 155mm artillery rounds of which the entirety of NATO produces less in a month than Russia does every week.
So what are the exact figures on that, and from where did you source them? I wasn't aware Russia was making any NATO-standard 155mm arty shells whatsoever.
>Brags about Russia """destroying""" a single NATO tank. >But not only did the crew survive, but the tank was taken back to be repaired >Meanwhile on the Russian side, they've been taking T-55s, tanks made in the 1950s to h frontline in Ukraine because they've been running out of modern tanks for 6 to 9 months now
This is why this war is so special and funny.
You get to see an amount of daily shill, cope and seethe from ziggers that are throwing everything including the kitchen sink both on the battlefield and on the internet to try and demoralize the west into not sending our surplus equipment to them.
IRL people are dying and war is a tragedy, but online this is a shitshow of shilling and propaganda (NATO does it too but way less delusional).
>Challenger destroyed
Proofs?
False flag post trying to make Brits look stupid
My people should send ten more challengers for that insult, TZD
>false flag
Bathe British don’t need false flags to look stupid you moron lmao
It's real, but still inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. Russians will celebrate the destruction of a single tank while losing the equivalent of three companies in a single week.
The crew apparently survived.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1698955326496592140
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/for-the-first-time-ever-a-western-challenger-2-tank-may-have-been-destroyed-in-ukraine/ar-AA1ggf8m
>"American" wearing a British helmet
>massive compression artifacts on a png
BRICS can't meme.
Its clearly supposed to be WW1 where the Americans wore brodie helmets but nice try
This is warriortard trying to muddy the Waters. It still isn’t confirmed that a challenger was destroyed
Bongs already confirmed that it's salvageable and will be repaired
Nice try warriorfart
This. Said tank is already confirmed to be en route to English ports under her own power
UNLIKE MOSKVA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
George Humbleberry Crockington from London Oblast here. My morale is strikingly deflated. I cannot believe the audacity of those unsavory ukraine rapscallions to allow our finest british armor to be defeated by reliable and effective soviet weaponry, the whole situation is rather daft as it were. Clearly they are a questionable lot whom we should stop trade with immediately lest they ruin more pieces of her majesty's arsenal. Tally ho!
Indeed, my good sir, and furthermore might I add that we should forthwith punish this slight upon His Majesty's good name by ceasing our supply of any and all warstuffs and training by our most stalwart men of arms. The Tsar will sue for peace any day now, gentlemen, and when it comes to negotiation I prefer a black treacle to a mince pie myself
>The crew apparently survived.
And it's recoverable, mine hit to the track.
NTA but look at the other five threads on it. It's real.
Russia lost 9 tanks in the same timeframe btw but they don't talk about that.
Like other anon said, crew survived fine.
Didn't the ammo detonate and burn the inside out? Doubtful anyone got out of that tank.
>Doubtful anyone got out of that tank.
why though ? it's not a russian tank.
Chally doesn't have blow out panels like the Abrooms, however it's still more focused on crew survivorbility than any Russian MBT
>Didn't the ammo detonate
I've seen no reporting that says that.
Do they have a separate ammo compartment like the Abrams?
It was a fuel tank rupture and everyone made it out.
I think the actual story is that:
>tank hits mine, track is disabled
>crew evacuate
>abandoned tank is hit by lancet2
>fuel tank ruptures, burns
If it was Raytheon or General Dynamics it would have taken 1 month.
still waiting for them to finally make GLSDB after nine fucking months
Boeing is involved, so it will never happen.
No it wouldn't have.It took so long because the factory that originally made the ammuntion was in switzerland and they refused to sell it.
It's even worse, the factory already belongs to Rheinmetall (well, a subsidiary they bought some time back) but the Swiss refused the export permits for the produced munitions.
Even the already produced munitions that were lying around in Germany and basically waiting for their disposal couldn't be delivered to Ukraine because they were made there.
But their turbogayry didn't stop there, you heard of the 100 Leopard 1s that are blocked by the Swiss? They are Italian and would have been transported through Switzerland - can't have that as a neutral nation, no Sir!
>Fuck the Swiss.I hope their entire defense industry collapses.Why would anyone buy from them if they are no longer willing to sell to you after a war starts?
Already happening, the loss of a quasi monopoly on this kind of ammunition is a big step. The rest will follow suit over the next few years.
And that's a good thing.
the Swiss are retards but those Leopard 1s dont actually belong to Italy anymore and are owned by a Swiss defense/storage company that hoped to sell them for profit after having bought them from cheap from the Italian government some years ago.
Transport isn't the issue since France exists
For some reason the entire Swiss defense industry forgot about the fact that their country is based on Cowardice and Neutrality so now they are crying about the fact that every EU countries defense industries are pulling out of Switzerland and are refusing to work with them or the Swiss army on new projects or include them in new projects
EU Militaries are also doing the same thing of distancing themself and not wanting to give them contracts for anything
also doesnt help the fact that the Swiss defense industry decided it was a good idea to subcontract their job to Repair Taiwanese Tooling used for producing their Military gear to a Chinese company
and that just happened like 1 year ago
>owned by a Swiss defense/storage company that hoped to sell them for profit
And their own government is fucking them over.
>subcontract their job to Repair Taiwanese Tooling used for producing their Military gear to a Chinese company
For the F-5 or what Taiwanese equipment do the Swiss use?
>the Swiss are retards but those Leopard 1s dont actually belong to Italy anymore and are owned by a Swiss defense/storage company that hoped to sell them for profit after having bought them from cheap from the Italian government some years ago.
Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the clarification!
The law that caused this whole clusterfuck had the intend to prevent further weapon sales to countries that are involved in a conflict to prevent misuse (e.g. buying a small amount during peace time, starting a war, buying lots more) but nobody thought about the consequences.
And then they started fucking around really bad by deliberately interpreting the law quite literal. And even after they were seeing the consequences for themselves, they decided to follow that path further.
Their excuse is that they are a direct democracy and to change this law a referendum is necessary which can't just be held like that, that needs preparation and is expensive and muh neutrality.
The delusions about their independence and neutrality run deep and this isn't the first time in the last few years they acted retarded and lost standing with neighboring countries.
Today I had the displeasure of arguing with a Swiss that wanted Ukraine to surrender
A Swiss. A fucking Swiss. Surrender. They are lost.
>Today I had the displeasure of arguing with a Swiss that wanted Ukraine to surrender
>A Swiss. A fucking Swiss. Surrender. They are lost.
To be fair, they were probably French Swiss. The French have lots of experience with surrendering.
Thats what, 1 or 2 shipping containers worth? Including pallets, of course.
That seems a shitload of APDS for an AA platform
APDS is flatter and faster flying, very useful vs helicopters.
I imagine it'd also be quite useful against Shaheds
DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA
1) Russoid attack helos can have serious armor.
2) APDS has a flatter trajectory
3) Gepards are VERY good at shredding through ground stuff such as lightly armored vehicles.
APDS is standard for Gepard A1. Better trajectory and will still cause immense damage to Aricrafts, Helos etc.
>Not as embarrasing as the challenger being destroyed the day after it was finally deployed
Shill-kun, you guys spammed that deployed challenger with a cope cage all last month. At least stay consistent
That was a picture of a challenger with a cage on it. That’s not the same thing as deploying in combat
why mig25 pink?
Looks like a MiG-31 but with a oddly MiG-25 shaped radome and outboard wing pylons extending well forward from the edge of the wing, or are those R-77s?
Is the perspective fucking with me or something?
someone made a 3D model of a Mig-31 with armament, and it looks identical to the pink Mig. Here is said model.
i-is that ERA on the Tu-95?
Yes, the "R" stands for "Rubber"
It's not E, though.
Calm down there, it's car tires.
Now why there are car tires and what some Russian base commander expects them to do against another drone dropping thermobaric grenades on aircraft is anyone's guess.
Some anon thought it was meant to embarrass their higher ups into declaring war footing authorising more defensive measures to be taken.
According to the Russian news that guy is getting an award(?) and some general said the tires are good and a temporary stop-gap measure until permanent shelters are constructed.
Go easy on the poor plane. The Bear is and old design and it's obviously very tired.
It would be NERA, Non Explisive Reactive Armor. Usually made out of rubber and metal plates. The rubber expands when a HEAT jet hits it and probels the metal plates into the jet. Now without the metal it is more or less just a spacer like the rubber fingers on a PzH2000, but if it actually works, who knows.
Literal tires actually
Because of gayropeans see pink plane they think its their ally xaxa*~~ perfect stealth capabilities as western PVO afraid of firing !!!
Because the most important part of camouflage is actually contrast. A lighter color that is vaguely near the same spectrum as the background will make it harder to see. That is why the Japanese used a light green camo in WW2 for some of their ships. At least that’s the only thing that outright comes to mind. Besides it maybe being a trainer.
>Pretty long lead time
>has to establish a completely new production line and more or less re-engineer the round
For real
>A-CK
you are a retarded turd shill
>Pretty long lead time for 10,000 rounds
That's new production line out of nothing. Now that it has been estrablished the batches will slowly increase into millions per month.
At 300k ordered?
Gepards aren't artillery that you just lob at russians until they're all dead, they serve a very specific purpose and the ammo needed for that is limited.
>At 300k ordered?
how to say you know nothing about DEU MIC without saying it.
Yes, new ammo production OF ANY AMOUNT with a run-up starting in May 2022 (when the Swiss decided to shit the bed in April, and then made it 100% clear they weren't going to change their minds) is titanic.
Knowing the Germans I would have assumed 2025 at the earliest.
>batches will slowly increase into millions per month.
>300k ordered
>they will never order more afterwards, never done before
>The initial order covered <10 days of production
>implying Hans will stop once you convince him to start churning out dakka again
Oh anon...
>how to say you know nothing about DEU MIC without saying it.
Any idea if this was produced in that Spanish factory they bought?
No, this 35mm produced in a new production line in Lower Saxony, Germany
>https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/germany-supplies-ukraine-with-gepard-projectiles-1693913254.html#:~:text=The%20defense%20conglomerate%20Rheinmetall%20launched,caliber%20ammunition%20for%20the%20Gepard.
*is produced
https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/company/subsidiaries/rheinmetall-waffe-munition/about-us
Newfriend, look at all weapon systems that use 35x228 and understand why building that line is a huge deal.
>AHEAD is only better than conventional Proximity fuze rounds when targeting something with a low radar profile aka small drones that proximity fuzes have an issue detecting
This and killing stuff in defilade. Its the GOAT.
How hard can it be its just sabot and tracer not programmable? It is a little bit worrying Rheinmetall already has ammunition factories and resizing they should be able to push this much out of their existing production in weeks. I suspect we may be getting the translation off and its really a new factory. Does say "new assembly line".
Hunnybuns, the whole production line for this kind of ammunition existed (still does) in the hands of Rheinmetall - it's just located in Switzerland and they are a bit of a cunt. That means not only can't you export newly made rounds from the country, you also can't export the tools/machines needed.
And you don't just throw out a working production line to retool. That fucks over every order that was placed on it. Can't do that in the capitalist system.
Seven months for a completely new production line is not bad, considering that everything was bought either second hand where possible and available and the rest (the larger part) had to be ordered from scratch - which, even if you have deep pockets and pay for fast delivery it will take some time simply because it has to be built.
Could it have been done faster? Maybe, but it would have been a lot more expensive and then you meet the whole bureaucratic clusterfuck.
Well I hope they get some major subsequent orders otherwise they burned themselves. 300,000 rounds is tiddlywinks an ordinary battalion 30mm range shoot day is 25,000 and this is essentially comparable being non AHEAD.
I'm pretty sure they will find buyers. Everyone that has something important will be (is) looking to buy some kind of mobile intermediate caliber AAA against drones.
AHEAD is nice, but expensive - even if you refit existing guns the ammo is not on the cheap size. So just using dumb fire munitions on a radar enabled gun will be cheaper, even if you use more rounds per intercept.
And as you said, 300k rounds is not overwhelmingly much. But hey are used in a very effective system that's used on a very narrow mission profile.
Doctrinally Gepards would have been used against attack aircraft that were a lot faster and bigger than drones. Accordingly more rounds/intercept were expected that aren't necessary right now.
I hope RuAG and associated companies either fucking collapse altogether, or end up wasting shittons of mountaingarden gnome govt gibs to be kept on life support.
Setting up a new production line for anything and starting to ship product within 7 months is rather impressive. Its not like you can buy the tooling for that OTS. If you also consider that ammo production needs all kinds of certification, this is really fast.
>challenger
>wanderwaffe
Its literally one of the worst NATO tanks aisde from shitily tanks. The very fact it took this long is embarrassing enough.
>Its literally one of the worst NATO tanks aisde from shitily tanks
Leclercs literally got disabled by RPGs when they were in combat.
No Leclerc was ever lost in Yemen, just damaged, mostly by mines.
Ok warriortard
I never said lost. I said disabled.
> 2 par des mines ou des IED, ce qui a endommagé le train de roulement, sans détruire le char, et un autre par un tir de RPG que le système de grille protectrice semble avoir stoppé
not translating for you, you can do it.
>French
>"This a real language!"
lol. lmao.
>shilled for months as being the game change
Didn't happen.
>we know they’re lying, they know we know they’re lying, we know they know we know they’re lying
5th gen warfare is gay as fuck. if we had this type of shilling during the war on terror people would have been cheering for the Iraqi army and taliban, then insurgents from day 1
>new assemply line
Fuck the Swiss.I hope their entire defense industry collapses.Why would anyone buy from them if they are no longer willing to sell to you after a war starts?
>defense industry
Their defense industry is already taking a hit because countries are building their own shit at home since the swiss started to act like gays. What the swiss don't understand is that defense industries relies on security/trust for it to be successful.
>20+ year old tank is a wunderwaffle
I guess for russians and poos, any hardware 50+ years old is considered outdated.
Nah man, T-55s and T-10Ms are perfectly fine still. Tank is tank!
Yes sirs, very embarrassing lead time to produce benchod.
>pretty long lead time
And in seven months, Putin has gone from ransacking the last decades-old Cold War stockpiles of his Soviet Empire forebears to groveling before the Norks for some of their decades-old Cold War stockpiles.
>Not as embarrasing as the challenger being destroyed the day after it was finally deployed
It's spelled "embarrassing", and I fully expect the first hit on an Abrams will be spammed ad nauseum, providing an annoyance for the jannies yet also a tacit acknowledgement from every vatnik that Western tech really is that superior to what Russia can field.
>"It wasn't a complete shutout! We have PROOFS of scratching the paint on one of their tanks! xaxaxaxaxaxaxa"
>Hahaha westoids should be so embarrassed over losing that dozen or so tanks
>*Loses thousands of tanks*
It’s literally the guy who gets his ass clapped in a fight and he taunts how he got a punch in during the beat down.
is this new german ammo proxy-fused? because isn't that why the Gepard has been useful?
IIRC it's not proxy fused, rather a laser measures distance and the round disintegrates into tungsten shrapnel before impact
I am not sure if the Gepard can use this type of ammo though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHEAD_ammunition
>IIRC it's not proxy fused, rather a laser measures distance and the round disintegrates into tungsten shrapnel before impact
That's just a proximity fuze with a different mechanism. Distinction without a difference.
>proximity fuze with a different mechanism
If it doesn't fuse on proximity but rather at a set distance, it's by definition not a proximity fuse.
retard
appreciate the answers, thanks anons
Not a single Gepard is capable of using that round correctly due to not having the correct electronics in their muzzles nor any systems to code these Munitions
there is supposedly an addon you can built into it, but is too inefficient. but from what we've seein the HEF-I and APDS-T are more than adequate in the ukraine war environment
also reminder that the Germans thought the Swiss or Brazilians would cave in with the ammo deliveries. so the order to setup a new production line started end of Feb this year to the first batch delivery now
The swiss did eventually cave in but at that point it was too late for them to make the big bucks with it because by now nobody trusts them anymore.
>because isn't that why the Gepard has been useful?
Gepard is the radar connected to capable guns via a nice fire control system.
That they are using APDS rounds against drones shows the precision they are achieving with it.
Gepard doesn't have AHEAD capable guns, they only measure v0 at the muzzle to correct for the next shot.
But in principle the guns (as well as the fire control system) should be rather easily refitable with the system.
> AHEAD guns
>should be rather easily refitable with the system
I sure do hope somebody is making that happen already. With state of the art stuff right now, that would nearly be a next gen leap in possibilities.
Rheinmetall should create a full upgrade package for the Gepard. New radars, AHEAD functionality, the MANPAD module, a secondary opto-IR targeting module, APU/engine tweaks etc.
They'd prefer it if you'd just by its successor for obvious reasons but another upgrade package is probably not out of the question if enough countries with old stock signal interest.
Meaning south Americans, Qatar abd Ukraine, probably.
Also Romania who have 36 (+ 7 spares).
Skyranger 30 has several advantages over a hypothetical Gepard+ (not least of which smaller size, meaning it can be mounted on 6x6 vehicles), but it's a direct downgrade in terms of capability (2 MANPADS compared to a hypothetical 4 on the G+, 30 mm gun has 3 km max effective range compared to 4.5 for the 35).
Ah, it seems the froggies have developed a 4-piece module for integrating Mistral to the Skyranger 30. This would mean the only downgrade is the shorter range of the 30 mm guns.
OK Vatnikbros, why is the decadent sexpests from the collective West able to get an ammunition line going in seven months? Weren't they all supposed to be dumb morons, arabs and trannies?
>OK Vatnikbros, why is the decadent sexpests from the collective West able to get an ammunition line going in seven months?
It's because of all our experience having trains run on our women, if there's anything we know, it's how to process things in a pipeline.
>golf clap
Well done. Well done.
bragging about being lying sacks of shit?
>Plus a new source of drones since China banned the sale to Ukraine of drones (but didn't for Russia :*~~))
this did not happen
its geopolitical and economically retarded for china to do anyways
by restricting exports they will just insentivise the West to build their own cheap drone market while they also lose money just to help their shit ally that cant give anything in return
What do you mean it didn't?
https://apnews.com/article/china-ukraine-russia-drone-export-dji-e6694b3209b4d8a93fd76cf29bd8a056
What?
>What do you mean it didn't?
then why didnt it impact Ukrainian drone units?
they seem to be operating just normally and getting all the parts they need without any issue
that "export restriction" was more of a formality and a way to not look like a bad ally when in reality Chinese companies easily just get around these restrictions without any legal trouble or repercussions by for example just selling the drone components separately instead of already assembled drones or just sending it to a EU country and then shipping it to Ukraine
Chinese companies get around the restrictions in the same as any other country that wants to bypass sanctions.They sell them to poland or any other country willing to sell to Ukraine.
>its geopolitical and economically retarded for china to do anyways
>by restricting exports they will just insentivise the West to build their own cheap drone market
I kind of wish they would, there's lots of poor countries in Europe that could take over electronics production and assembly. It would make Europe more self-sufficient and cut one more thread in China's leverage.
Right ? Just invest in the Balkan to produce that shit it isn't like they are too stupid to produce those they just need a little finance, plus it would be a win-win for all parties involved.
>a fucking last gen challenger is a game changer wunderwaffle
Lmaoing at ur life
Challenger 2 is the most modern challenger fielded
No it isn't. There are various upgraded versions of Challenger 2. HAAIP, for example. Then there is Challenger 2E which is the export version. There is also the upgraded thermal version which I don't think is part of LEP upgrade.
And don't forget the chally 3 program that going to replace them soon
the original revision chally 2 was first fielded in 1993 lmao
It's like the abrooms where it's been continually upgraded over the years rather than creating a new chasis. Saying it's the most modern chally fielded is retarded
>During one month, three tanks were damaged, two by antitank mines and one by an RPG
oh no no no no Leclercbros... can't even take a single RPG!
why AP rounds for gepard?
isn't it designed to shoot down helicopters and those low flying drones?
Phalanx CIWS uses exclusively APDS rounds too, has to be some reason for it.
>has to be some reason for it.
because the DS in APDS means Discarding Sabot and that causes these rounds to have better range and velocity which is important for fast interceptions with the downside of having no space for explosive filler
CIWS is geared towards small(ish) targets like mortar rounds. Those are most easily countered (at the time of it's commissioning) with a hit to kill "interceptor". Larger targets potentially need more than one hit, but that's what fire rate is for.
>the downside of having no space for explosive filler
20mm is rather small, yes. At that size punching bigger holes is probably more effective than a few small ones.
Projectile speed is mostly needed for range. How flat its trajectory is doesn't matter as much as in a rifle since the target is not on the same plane but more or less steep upwards. Since the ballistic curve is known it is taken into consideration while calculating the intercept point.
gepards used to load like 2 seconds worth (less the 50 shells) of AP for self-defense that could pen like 100mm at 1000m
I too play war thunder
it also has APDS shells mixed into it main belts IRL but Warthunder created some BS AP rounds instead to neuter its main belts because they have a hardon for fucking over Germany...
Betting against the capacity of the West to produce weapons in anger is a bad move, my dude
"There is some significance in that it's the first documented loss of a Challenger 2 in Ukraine," according to Sonny Butterworth, an analyst with Janes Defence.
What's the advantage of sabot rounds in an AA platform?
A factory for a retired platform?
Drones made them relevant again.
Same as it ever was.
Nice video, it proved that the Lancet could hit an abandoned and therefore stationary AA system as well as any other target of that size.
What we, as usual, don't see is the aftermath: The Gepard drove off that field under its own power and the minor damage (even to the radar system that is completely exposed) was quickly repaired and the unit is still in service in Ukraine.
>What we, as usual, don't see is the aftermath:
>radar dish not even turning
calm down fag
The Gepards in Ukraine turned out to be very effective against Shahed-136 drones; the radar can detect them 16 kilometres (9.9 mi) away and it takes as few as six rounds to shoot them down with a similar number needed to destroy a cruise missile.[20] One of the Gepards downed 10 Shaheds in a single engagement.[21] RUSI noted that the Gepards were particularly effective against the drones.[22] Ukraine allegedly suffered its first Gepard loss in April 2023 to a Lancet loitering munition,[23] although the full video shows the Gepard relatively intact after the impact.
>shitty tanks and no ammo
lel, is that really the hill you want to die on zigger ?
almost as embarassing as the T-14 not even being deployed lmao
>wunderwaffle tank shilled for months as being the game changer
maybe by buttblasted zigger fucktards, not a big deal for anyone else - that said, the amount of sheer cope gayry one damaged vehicle seems to inspire in zignogs makes we thing we should definitely send more.
>AP rounds
got AHEAD? or do only the Swiss make those?
Swiss don't produce them anymore, they could be made by the same factory, if needed.
AHEAD is not only the round, you also need the system on the gun. Which the Gepards are lacking since they were being retired when that system was production ready.
why are you gays so retarded with AHEAD rounds in this thread???
AHEAD is a round that needs a special muzzle brake to function
AHEAD is only better than conventional Proximity fuze rounds when targeting something with a low radar profile aka small drones that proximity fuzes have an issue detecting
but the Gepard is mostly used to shoot down larger long-range suicide drones so its not needed even though it couldnt use these rounds anyways even if it tried
>AHEAD is only better than conventional Proximity fuze rounds when targeting something with a low radar profile aka small drones
So at exactly what Ukraine is doing right now.
>low radar profile aka small drones
Shaheed have an internal combustion engine so they're not low-profile at all.
AHEAD, used by Skynex, would be an appropriate counter to the shitposter beer carton drones.
>got AHEAD? or do only the Swiss make those?
It's a Rheinmetall product, anon.
It's an Oerlikon product you colossal fucking retard, like the entire 35mm gun family.
Well, look at this:
>The biggest turning point for the company came in 1999 with the sale of various core businesses and virtually all interests in other companies that no longer fitted Oerlikon's new business concept. The company sold its arms division, Oerlikon Contraves Defence, to the German Rheinmetall DeTec, where it now operates under the new name of Rheinmetall Air Defence AG.
But it's a new development, 1999 was only 24 years ago. So not even a quarter of a century since then.
Yes, the entire system was developed before that and the factories for it are still in Switzerland you colossal fucking retard.
There is no Oerlikon left for it. Cry about it.
What happened to the Nammo production or that Spanish company they bought?
Dunno about whatever Spanish company was supposed to produce ammo, but the Nammo thing fell through due to Nammo failing to properly re-engineer the rounds, causing the ammo to be useless.
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2022/07/31/norway-delivered-gepard-spaag-35mm-shells-are-useless-in-ukraine/
Germany kinda got burned in its search for ammo for the Gepard. Switzerland methodically blocked every stash of ammo the Germans found around the world, then the Nords fucked up their production, then the Brazilians decided to keep their stash, and on and on and on. No wonder the Krauts just went "Fuck this! I'll do it myself." And here we are today.
the deal with the Spaniards just went trough recently and there was no way they would produce the 35 for the Gepards. Instead those factories are going to be full focus on 120 and 155. The Gepard OG ammo has some weird quirk, which is why the Norwegian 35 wasn't working without some hax apparently, like something about the ring had to be adjusts
>Dunno about whatever Spanish company was supposed to produce ammo,
They weren't specifically meant to produce ammo for the Gepard but Rheinmetall bought Expal Systems S.A.U.
>lose wunderwaffle tank shilled for months as being the game changer
Shilled by Russians maybe. To westerners it's just another tank.
>destroy 1 (one) single tank from the 20th century
>IT'S OVER WE DEFEATED NATO BROTHERS
its genuinely funny
what the fuck happened to you morons hahahaa
At this rate when this war ends, even if Ukraine annexes all of Russia, this entire website will be unusable for years. I can finally get a life.
sullen brown people with chinkphones and unfulfilling lives
How effective would an AT rifle using 35mm APDS actually be?
Or trying to snipe with that monster.
It would do more damage to the person holding it than it would to the tank.
>IMMEDIATELY tries to turn a completely unrelated thread into a challenger thread
Guys, come on
Picrel
>1 day of combat
It was in combat for weeks and scored over 50 Kills on Russian tanks.
I heard it got 3 putins and a level 3 oligarch
>literally impossible to come up with an original joke
Where was Pozziya 7 months ago, just starting to dig out the T-62’s? Lmfao
They were engaged in their grand Winter Offensive that resulted in continuous disasters at Vuhledar
I want this in .30-06. Why is life so hard?
I'm feeling it, too, anon. I'm feeling it, too.
I'm a tourist and even i have seen this tank being shat on for years
There is something insane about a $5,800,000 tank being destroyed by a $20 mine and a $35,000 drone
Random question: has Viktor Suvorov weighed in on the current festivities at all, in any medium? He would seem to be uniquely qualified.
>day after it was finally deployed
Really? You know when they were first deployed?
Why has their stock price been so lackluster lately?
7 months in a maximum urgency war scenario is comically bad. WTF is going on over there?
t. Retard.
>maximum urgency
Kek, do you just use you think sound cool?
It’s an assembly line for 35mm ammo, not a tank factory. 7 months is ridiculous. There must have been major political and/or financial issues.
Everything you say makes you look maximum retarded.
Why do you offer your dumbshit opinions if you can't even differentiate between the regularly scheduled slav genocide we get every 20-30 years and WWIII?
Why do you insist in embarrassing yourself if you can't differentiate between a production line and an assembly line?
7 months is embarrassing and you know it hence the malding. Or please explain why 7 months is reasonable?
See
Acknowledge the correction, admit you are retarded and don't know what you're talking about in the slightest, then we can start your education.
You don't get to be an arrogant cunt while asking to be spoon-fed, tourist. Know your fucking place, trash.
>maximum urgency war scenario
germany isnt at war you retard
Didn't you get the memo? Russia is making all of NATO eat their own teeth!
You mean ammo for the twin 35mm gun SPAAG with a firing rate of 600 rounds per minute? I just want want to make sure you didn't confuse those numbers with something relevant to the course of the ongoing war, like say, 155mm artillery rounds of which the entirety of NATO produces less in a month than Russia does every week.
>155mm artillery rounds of which the entirety of NATO produces less in a month than Russia does every week.
Anon, counting the same load of shells multiple times is not what "producing" means.
>like say, 155mm artillery rounds of which the entirety of NATO produces less in a month than Russia does every week.
So what are the exact figures on that, and from where did you source them? I wasn't aware Russia was making any NATO-standard 155mm arty shells whatsoever.
>Brags about Russia """destroying""" a single NATO tank.
>But not only did the crew survive, but the tank was taken back to be repaired
>Meanwhile on the Russian side, they've been taking T-55s, tanks made in the 1950s to h frontline in Ukraine because they've been running out of modern tanks for 6 to 9 months now
This is why this war is so special and funny.
You get to see an amount of daily shill, cope and seethe from ziggers that are throwing everything including the kitchen sink both on the battlefield and on the internet to try and demoralize the west into not sending our surplus equipment to them.
IRL people are dying and war is a tragedy, but online this is a shitshow of shilling and propaganda (NATO does it too but way less delusional).
The worst is that the T-55 isn't even the final straw despite it huge production numbers.
We've already seen hints of T-10 deployment.
"Five Digit Number" -
let's say it's 99,999 shells and they can churn that much out every month (best case scenario) and not something like 12k.
Ukraine is firing 3k shells a day which works out to 90k shells a month.
According to Zaluzhny, the Russians are firing between 3x and 10x the amount the Ukrainians are.
This is anti-aircraft artillery, not regular artillery.
Do you think this is the only shell factory in all of europe?
Also
>conflating artillery shells with anti air artillery
Fucking hell you're retarded. A Gepard needs a few salvos of 6 at most to down a cruise missile.
He was talking about heavy artillery.
And nobody knows why