>The Turkish upgrade for the M60, called the Roketsan TIYK-MZK would extend the lifespan on the Patton platform into the early 2040s, making the Patton the first western tank platform to see a century of continuous use.
>The Turkish upgrade for the M60, called the Roketsan TIYK-MZK would extend the lifespan on the Patton platform into the early 2040s, making the Pa...
>op pic shows pre-ejectable turrets
i like where this is going.
New turk M60 has ammo separated from crew behind an armored bulkhead and has blowout panels because even Turkshit isn't Slavshit.
Looks pretty hot.
It looks pretty cool, but is it really cheaper than getting more Leopard IIs or just buying Abrams?
They're making a version of the same turret to upgrade their Leopard 2 fleet. Has an autoloader and fancy new electronics. I think it ends up cheaper due to economies of scale.
They're marketing a version for the T72 or other soviet model hulls too since Russia has proven an unreliable supplier. The version for the M60 can have an autocannon in place of a roof MG too.
the T-72M1 only had a one-plane stabilizer?
that cant be right, even the T-62 was supposed to have a 2-axis stabilizer, albeit a crude one
and the T-72 ural was supposed to have an improved stabilizer over that
Yeah the gun and turret are stabilized. Maybe they are talking about the sight? TPD-K1 was stabilized vertically only and fixed to the turret horizontally
I heard that some soviet models were designed specifically for export and thus lower grade.
The problem is - for those t72 hulls to be useful, you need an engine supply. Because Russia needs every single t72 engine it has, and Ukraine and it's allies have hoovered up everything else that was buyable - there is not much left. If you want to just get some engines for your own fleet, you are gonna have a problem. Even Poles who still have some leftovers of the type no longer train on it because they just cant get parts for the engines.
Romanians have a modified German V8 turbodiesel in their TR85. It's been offered for upgrading other T55/T64/T72 bases designs.
>T55/64/72 Engine upgrades
Thats the least of there worries operating Tanks like that
Cool ambiguous retarded comment
Doesn't the US have a fuckton of M60s in storage no one wants to buy?
I remember hearing the remaining M-60s got scrapped. Otherwise I'd expect every last one to be in Ukraine right now.
the only M60s left in the US are specifically for foreign markets
totally unusable, mostly just for donor parts
the last 3000 built never even got US serial numbers and were sent straight to FMS
the other 3000 in service were also sold as FMS or used as parts donors
biggest recipients were israel, who still have them but all in reserve, and turkey, who are the subject of this very thread
taiwan also got a few
Operation cost of this is probably significantly less than the Abrams, and it doesn't come with the potential of the Germans getting uppity and refusing to provide spares.
>Germans getting uppity
When dealing with turks?
What kind of subhuman are you to question that particular natural imbalance?
Yeah. The M60 is cheap as hell to operate and Turkish stuff is cheap despite being of upper middle tier quality. I think these are still running the Continental AVDS air cooled diesel engines which are fucking cave man tier.
>Engine design from 1929
>Hull design from 1943
tbf there's no parts commonality and the hull doesn't even really look the same until M48 and M60, even M46 looks different
>Hull design from 1943
thats the T25, the M26 had armor improved at the last minute in 1944 after reports that the panther was a medium tank in widespread use rather than a limited production heavy tank
the M46 did keep the same hull, but the M48 gave it a new design that omitted the hull gunner and slightly improved protection in the 50s
and the M60A1 had a sharp-angled hull and bit more protection in 1961
The basic hull is still very similar underneath a few adjustments. It's still one platform.
increased thickness, an altered shape, and a different angle of protection on all sides is hardly a few adjustments
you would be hard pressed to find anything that stayed the same from the M26 to the M48, much less the M60A1, the roadwheels and idlers are the only major thing retained
they arent even the same material, the M26 was welded while the M48 was cast
I wonder if the 6TD-3 would fit
I guess that it might be too wide
Probably but the Ukrainians are going to have a hard time mass producing them for export while in a state of war.
>Continental AVDS
They are going to use the BMC Utku 1000 HP v8 engine in upgraded M60 tanks, the current engine can't climb and can't run the turret at the required turning speeds.
I'd like to point out that the average elevation in Turkey is 1200 meters. Climbing criteria, offroad capability, and hot & high requirements of Turkish Land forces are more strict than NATO standards. The military is asking for more. Making things more complicated.
Is that a Turkish version of the AVDS or the engine from the Altay?
Turkish BMC produces diesel family. This engine is actually intended for Firtina-2 SPG (55 tons). So it's replacing STX-MTU MT881Ka-500
There are smaller and larger variants from 200 hp to 1500 hp.
>getting more Leopard II
From where? Rheinmetall is currently getting flooded with fresh orders while surplus Leopards 2A4 around Europe are either going to get upgraded or refurbished for Ukraine.
Roaches finally doing something right. I love modernized versions of older armor.
absolutley nothing to contribute to the conversation but thats touvh as fuck.
Cost per unit?
Not sure. Upgrading one with the new turret, engine, armor and hunter-killer system is €2 million. The active protection system is an add on as is the addition of a bigger RWS and surveillance system from the M60A3T.
How much modifications does it take for a Patton to stop being a Patton? Because I think this one's already crossed that threshold.
An infinite amount. The M46 is vastly different from the M60, yet they're both still Pattons. Its a design lineage, every member bears the name.
M60 was never named patton, its just a common nickname
What gun does it have?
IT JUST WORKS
Turkey would be a superpower if they had a competent economy erdo is holding his country back
old people holding their countries back... whodathunkit
it's their fault for voting in that retard again and again, so no
Turkey could've been a superpower multiple times over the past 100 years and even during the late Ottoman times if they got their shit together and stopped falling for populist Islamist shit. Reading through their history, I've never seen a nation that has been handed more opportunities to absolutely dominate in economic, military and scientific fields and managed to miss out on like 90% of them.
Mehmed II unironically fucked over his people by refusing to accept the Pope's offer to officially convert his nation to Christianity.
Nice
So Altay is dead right?
No it's just going a lot slower than planned. Turk army set some absurd standards that the Turkish MIC had never built to before. Koreas have had a hard time meeting those too. Turk army knows it won't get unlimited funding so is going to have to get the Altay right the first time. These are being upgraded as a the tertiary armores force since Turkey still has hundreds of M60s that were only built in the 80s.
>2001 called, they want their tank concept back
This kind of upgrade was already proposed over 20 years ago. The Turks were just too cheap to do it. The M60-2000 would have had better gun, armor, and engine too.