The Swedish package will include the entire fleet of PBV 302 armored personnel carriers (~650 in service) and surplus tanks of the Swedish Armed Force...

The Swedish package will include the entire fleet of PBV 302 armored personnel carriers (~650 in service) and surplus tanks of the Swedish Armed Forces.

The package also includes an ASC 890 radar reconnaissance and control aircraft for long-range target detection (500 km) to work in conjunction with F-16 fighters.

Sweden will help Ukraine create its own defense research institute, according to the Swedish government.

This task has been assigned to specialists from the Swedish Defense Research Agency (FOI), which is one of Europe's leading defense and security research institutes.

https://www.regeringen.se/pressmeddelanden/2024/05/militart-stodpaket-16-till-ukraina--ny-formaga-som-starker-ukrainas-luftforsvar-och-stod-som-moter-ukrainas-prioriterade-behov/

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They aren’t very good

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      beats golf carts any day of the week

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not impressed. Sweden fell off

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Extremely good off-road mobility
      >High power-to-weight ratio
      >Low ground pressure
      >Fully amphibious
      >20mm Hispano-Suiza type 804 cannon + 7.62 mm Ksp 58
      >RBS 56 BILL man-portable wire guided anti-tank missile

      Sound ok to me

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        20mm is anemic when 40mm is dominating in Ukraine

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wuh
          That's practically the opposite of what we've seen all war. 25mm has been incredibly effective and 40mm doesn't have enough ammo to achieve the same results. Practically every single ukrainian that has used 25mm has said it's more than sufficient to mission kill literally anything, and even if it can't penetrate Russian tanks, it renders them combat ineffective practically instantaneously.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >40mm doesn't have enough ammo to achieve the same results.

            The ukies use the CV90's 40 mm as pocket mobile artillery, getting infantry kills at 7 km range. Try that with a 25 mm.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Wuh
              That's practically the opposite of what we've seen all war. 25mm has been incredibly effective and 40mm doesn't have enough ammo to achieve the same results. Practically every single ukrainian that has used 25mm has said it's more than sufficient to mission kill literally anything, and even if it can't penetrate Russian tanks, it renders them combat ineffective practically instantaneously.

              Both of you see

              >20mm is anemic
              >He thinks the 20mm is for anti-vehicle work.
              >He thinks the human body cares whether it's been shot by 20mm APDS versus 25mm or 40mm
              Also, 40mm hasn't been solely dominating.
              25mm has been the offensive autocannon of choice with 40mm also being enjoyed heavily for it's airbursting HE shells as well as the stouter AP performance (at cost of offensive staying power due to fewer rounds) despite all the trolling against the CV9040s.
              We all saw the same thread, anon.

              and read picrel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Indeed. The ultima ratio regum to kill warriortard threads. Never lose that image.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty neat that they came out on record as saying they prefer the 25mm for offensive actions. Definitely settles a lot of debate around here. Although I am glad they didn’t completely shit on 40mm because like they say it still has its uses. For me, it’s 35mm though. I was actually surprised to hear him say the 25 did manage to penetrate the t-90 and destroy the turret ring, I did not expect that to be the case

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Pretty neat that they came out on record as saying they prefer the 25mm for offensive actions
                No one said that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if I deny it it will be true
                Look I understand you are a fan of the CV, I am as well but that doesn’t change the praise showered on the brad in the mykola video. Like he said 40 is great, and the FCS on the newer CV-90s is superior but man did he talk up the Bradley and it’s 25mm gun. What the CV90 really suffers at in Ukraine is existing in large numbers which is a valid criticism which should sort itself out over the next few years.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Citation and quote needed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Didnt read your fanfic, post source of original comment.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty much what was expected although in the video he very clearly did not say which IFV was preferred. It would be stupid if him to do so when relying on donations at the current time. What stood out to me was when he said having enough ammo was the most important factor.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if I deny it it will be true
                Look I understand you are a fan of the CV, I am as well but that doesn’t change the praise showered on the brad in the mykola video. Like he said 40 is great, and the FCS on the newer CV-90s is superior but man did he talk up the Bradley and it’s 25mm gun. What the CV90 really suffers at in Ukraine is existing in large numbers which is a valid criticism which should sort itself out over the next few years.

                Pretty much what was expected although in the video he very clearly did not say which IFV was preferred. It would be stupid if him to do so when relying on donations at the current time. What stood out to me was when he said having enough ammo was the most important factor.

                False, the CV90 was the clear winner. The Bradley basically didnt get mentioned apart from it being in the only unit that allows social media posting.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                False, Bradley mentioned multiple times from penetrating the t-90 to excellent performance. CV90 was only hinted at as seeing any action and a nod to the more modern FCS. He even expressed skepticism about Ukraine actually buying any CVS. Why does this feel extremely personal to you?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                More fanfic. Do you write blogs too?
                CV90 is the vehicle of choice. 25mm isnt thought about at all. You cannot disprove this point, i allowed you time to post source...but you coped instead.
                Im sorry you are terminally autistic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >CV90 is the vehicle of choice
                Source and timestamp please? It’s not said in the video.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >asks for source
                >no u
                Wow you sound like a familiar guy that spends 99% of his life upset about english peoples

                >The “golden caliber” is actually ammunition. As long as we don't have ammunition of any caliber, be it 20 mm, 30 mm, 35 mm or 40 mm of the western type, we will have what we have at hand
                high capacity chads… we won.

                Samegay

                Please just source your claim here

                Pretty neat that they came out on record as saying they prefer the 25mm for offensive actions. Definitely settles a lot of debate around here. Although I am glad they didn’t completely shit on 40mm because like they say it still has its uses. For me, it’s 35mm though. I was actually surprised to hear him say the 25 did manage to penetrate the t-90 and destroy the turret ring, I did not expect that to be the case

                You wont.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >CV90 is the vehicle of choice
                >no I can’t provide a source but just trust me
                still waiting on that timestamp

                >The “golden caliber” is actually ammunition. As long as we don't have ammunition of any caliber, be it 20 mm, 30 mm, 35 mm or 40 mm of the western type, we will have what we have at hand
                high capacity chads… we won.

                I was surprised he admitted that without also mentioning airbursting ammo to compensate for the small amount of rounds carried

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I will continue to talk to myself and not source my claims
                Lel thanks for the 1000 CV90 orders bros. No one wants 25 pee pee.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >We have heard about a similar memorandum for a 1,000 IFVs.
                One thing is an actionable memorandum, and another thing is a memorandum announced for the sake of PR. If there is a real memorandum and there is a prospect of working together and it entails some specific steps and it is clear how to move forward, then this is one thing.

                Uh oh. Maybe banking your personality on a PR statement from last year with no updates isnt the clearest path to victory for you

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Please dont speak unless you have source for your claim. You sound ridiculous.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The source is directly from the video being discussed

                https://i.imgur.com/Hwf0CG4.jpeg

                [...]
                Both of you see [...] and read picrel.

                Interviewer in green

                >We have heard about a similar memorandum for a 1,000 IFVs.
                One thing is a actionable memorandum, and another thing is a memorandum announced for the sake of PR. If there is a real memorandum and there is a prospect of working together and it entails some specific steps and it is clear how to move forward, then this is one thing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                kek you mistook the words of mykola for some random anons and now you look foolish

                For third time source your original claim of
                >Pretty neat that they came out on record as saying they prefer the 25mm for offensive actions
                You cant you will continue to muddy the waters. Why are you in Swedish thread did the English upset you again?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m sorry that you didn’t like mykolas frank dismissal of Ukraine buying 1000 CV90s, I know you were really counting on it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why are you replying without the source to your claim?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Different guy. I made 0 claims. I jumped in when I saw you floundering and trying to say Ukraine is buying 1000 CVs. I had just read the Mykola interview where he throws coke water on that claim and wanted to share it with you

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Suuuuuure you are. Consider help.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                kek you mistook the words of mykola for some random anons and now you look foolish

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >CV90 was only hinted at as seeing any action

                That is because the ukies have found out that CV9040 can be used as a self propelled micro artillery gun rampaging just behind the direct line of contact. They use them to hose russian dugouts with 40 mm shells in indirect firing mode. The Bradley cannot do this and is in richer supply so they are used for frontline assaults featuring direct fire. A CV90 video showing a CV90 firing off shells in the air and no impacts isnt very exciting.

                We should have made a CV9057 instead of 9040, the ukies would have benefitted even more from that, as the Bofors 57 mm will reach 17 kilometers with low drag ammunition and 13 kilometers with standard ammo.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >In terms of efficiency and security, these IFVs are in the same class.
                Divisionist IFV morons BTFO
                >Same class
                Same class
                >Same class
                Same class
                >Same class
                Same class
                >Same class
                Same class
                >Same class
                Same class

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The “golden caliber” is actually ammunition. As long as we don't have ammunition of any caliber, be it 20 mm, 30 mm, 35 mm or 40 mm of the western type, we will have what we have at hand
                high capacity chads… we won.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >20mm is anemic
          >He thinks the 20mm is for anti-vehicle work.
          >He thinks the human body cares whether it's been shot by 20mm APDS versus 25mm or 40mm
          Also, 40mm hasn't been solely dominating.
          25mm has been the offensive autocannon of choice with 40mm also being enjoyed heavily for it's airbursting HE shells as well as the stouter AP performance (at cost of offensive staying power due to fewer rounds) despite all the trolling against the CV9040s.
          We all saw the same thread, anon.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >20mm is anemic
          Bruh, BTRs, BMPs, MT-LBs and other such crap get fricked even by 50 cals

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The Swedish package will include the entire fleet of PBV 302 armored personnel carriers (~650 in service) and surplus tanks of the Swedish Armed Forces.

        This is an ancient relic, based upon the PBV-301, which was based on the Panzerkampfwagen 38 (t), a czech pre world war 2 tank.

        It has a double hull so it should be better than a M113 but dont expect too much from this thing, its amphibious so it has BMP/M113 levels of armor.

        probably the perfect cold war battle taxi. Low ground pressure, fast, its the M113 or MT-LB but better.

        They need battle taxis and they need them by the thousands. USA, Europe, Australia, etc are sitting on thousands of 60's era armored vehicles, including the M113 which are out dated and slated to be phased out and should be sent to Ukraine in the thousands.

        I'm quite pissy they're just sitting on most of them and not sending them.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >They need battle taxis and they need them by the thousands.

          Yes, and the only way to produce enough such vehicles is to take a commercial 6x6 truck, equip it with short band tracks and armor it. A modern M3 halftrack. Why? Because the production facilities are already there. Armored cars equipped with machine guns are the only thing that can be produced in bulk in the west. But that doesn't make the arms industry rich.

          When former prime minister Reinfeldt said that "national defense is a special interest" he was talking about the private military industry, because that was the only thing on his political radar, as he saw no foreign military threat to Sweden.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I dont think anyone is arguing that Sweden alone should be the provider of thousands of battletaxis for Ukraine. Also, frick Reinfeldt, back at my old regiment in 2013 when he did that statement, my company commander took the pic of him and dumped it in the trash can rigth infront of us.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I dont think anyone is arguing that Sweden alone should be the provider of thousands of battletaxis for Ukraine. Also, frick Reinfeldt, back at my old regiment in 2013 when he did that statement, my company commander took the pic of him and dumped it in the trash can rigth infront of us.

              Reinfeldt was/is just a small symptom of a much larger problem, the pathway to riches for an enterprising confidence criminal in Sweden is to get into government and do public private partnerships. This happens at all levels of government. F.ex Reinfelds ex wife became rich from the privatizing of regional medical care. The Aleris company of which she was a board member and stock holder was sold to an investment firm in some brit tax paradise for several hundred millions of dollars 5-6 years ago, their business idea is to minimize expenses and maximize income, which they do by insourcing foreign medical personel which is incompetent but cheap. Or if you want another example, look at the (rich and wealthy) fate of the politicians involved in Nya Karolinska. Or the infamous Jan Emanuel of the social democrats. He has a fortune of several tens of millions of dollars from public private partnerships done at the muncipal level when he himself was a politician.

              Reinfeldt himself became a multimillionare (in dollars, not shitty swedish money) from his treason. This is the business idea of swedish politicians. That is why they go into politics. This is 5th generation warfare directed by domestic and foreign special interests against the swedish nation. This is warfare at a level that a typical swedish run in the forest and shoot gun military idiot cannot understand. All he wants to do is to shoot his gun and run in the forest, and he will hopefully be able to do that soon in Ukraine, as foreign special interests have decided to pay off the people whose coin he has taken to send their battlecattle to ukraine.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >F.ex Reinfelds ex wife became rich from the privatizing of regional medical care.

                I forgot to mention, Reinfelds ex wife was a regional level politician pushing for these public private partnerships.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Except howw else will Sullivan and Scholz lose the war on Ukraine's behalf?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          M113 is still in active service with Australia. Australia hasn't built a single replacement yet.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >M113 is still in active service with Australia. Australia hasn't built a single replacement yet.
            Australian desert isn't usually impassible to wheeled vehicles, is this just for northern swamps or for foreign jungle terrain or something?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              depends on the season

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why is that our problem again? Unless they wanna PAY for them.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            let me guess, your name ends with "jeet"

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Whiter than you by a long shot.
              >Everyone who doesn’t care about my stupid Slav waste of money war is brown, nooooo
              Get better comebacks you fricking diet Ivan dicksucker

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They said they are sending 80-100 of them which is all that is left of them. most have been scrapped long ago. they were last in service around 2015 or so.

        the fitting of bill was only ever a prototype thing, none of the units sent will have it, there will be some up-armored ones sent though since they were the most modern ones

        >The Swedish package will include the entire fleet of PBV 302 armored personnel carriers (~650 in service) and surplus tanks of the Swedish Armed Forces.

        This is an ancient relic, based upon the PBV-301, which was based on the Panzerkampfwagen 38 (t), a czech pre world war 2 tank.

        It has a double hull so it should be better than a M113 but dont expect too much from this thing, its amphibious so it has BMP/M113 levels of armor.

        It shared no parts with the 301, but like you say it is a contemporary of the m113.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is a certain IFV autist who hates all things Bong and will be sulking repeatedly throughout this thread. You can safely ignore him, as always.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good enough to club Serbs during Nordbat 2

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sitll better than w*rrior

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They look ancient but then again this war has devolved into museum pieces warfare a long time ago. Still better than a BTR-50 or bike at least.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >(~650 in service)
      Retired in 2014.

      They are ancient, entered service in 1966.

      https://i.imgur.com/OVUgIw2.jpeg

      thats cool
      wheres gripen doe

      Supposedly the F-16 gang has asked for the plans to give Ukraine Gripen to be put on hold, which is somewhat surprising since no specific plans to do so appears to have existed, at least officially. Perhaps it was used as a "soft launch" of that idea to the public...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They are ancient, entered service in 1966.
        So newer than average age of IFV used by Russians

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >generally unsuited for Ukrainian conditions
        >extremely heavy maintenance load
        >hardly any suitable airfields in Ukraine to operate from
        >takes centuries to be delivered
        >asks for the much better suited Gripen to not be sent
        I'm slowly starting to hate the F-16 gang. Gripens would've been perfect for Ukraine.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A lot of anecdotal evidence you have to support the opinions you're posting. I am impressed. moronation aside, I would love to see both the F-16 and Gripen push Russian dirt up.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            F-16 is designed for the US Air Force meaning that thing requires a million trained staff to keep them running on a perfectly clean runway that gets inspected every morning. Gripes is designed for the Swedish Air Force meaning it needs one professional and four conscripts to maintain it while taking off from some highway in middle of a forest.
            Holding the Gripen back in favor of F-16s was a mistake.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              1) There is nothing to hold back. Nobody has spare Gripens to give and they haven't ramped up production. Meanwhile there are shitloads of F-16 MLUs coming out of service in europe that can actually be sent in meaningful numbers in the next decade.
              2) The Gripen shares parts commonality with the F/A-18. Namely engines. Nobody ever said those only need five mechanics to maintain. Those components didn't magically have their service intervals extended and gain the capability to eat gravel the minute they got shoved into a Swedish plane. It's Saab marketing BS. Not reality.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nobody has spare Gripens to give
                and there never will be, because the only time this aircraft had chance to prove itself in combat it fumbled

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's a limited production aircraft built to fill a niche. Ikea flat-pack we-have-F16-Block50/52-at-home for budget minded air forces that wanted to source their planes from a neutral country.
                If Ukraine wants some E models any time soon they should have ordered them 10 years ago. The extremely limited production schedule is booked out for the foreseeable future and I don't see Sweden or Brazil letting them cut in line.
                There are, on paper, 24 old airframes sitting in hangar storage in Sweden that could theoretically be sent. What level of repair or modernization they would need to make them operational is unpublished. That's it for the entire lot of available airframes globally.
                Now compare that to the 100-ish F-16 MLUs available in europe let alone the gigantic pile of early Blocks that are lying around in the US at various Air National Guard bases.
                If you wanna stand up a westernized air force quick fast in a hurry, the F-16 is a no-brainer.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >2) The Gripen shares parts commonality with the F/A-18. Namely engines. Nobody ever said those only need five mechanics to maintain. Those components didn't magically have their service intervals extended and gain the capability to eat gravel the minute they got shoved into a Swedish plane. It's Saab marketing BS. Not reality
                Its not like Norway and Denmark has had any issues maintaining their F-16 fleets with a conscipt army, and even joining sweden and finland for road operations during exercises.
                Hell, the Norwegians just used the F-35 from roads in Finland

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ASC 890 radar reconnaissance and control aircraft
    How good are these?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not very

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1990s tech, so it will track anything Russia has

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The ones sent had their radars and C&C stations replaced with a more modern one in 2010 ish, but yeah, the basic airframe is from the 1990s

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the airframe means almost nothing.
          it's the radar and data systems that matter.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have the feeling Sweden is giving everything away just to justify building new shit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's how MIC operates.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Plus Russia isn’t a threat by land anymore, might as well give them all the shit they won’t use anyway to help speed up victory for Ukraine

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I have the feeling Sweden is giving everything away just to justify building new shit

      These APCs wont get replaced. There was an army chief lamenting that there was no money allocated for replacing the stuff that was already sent to Ukraine. The danish paid for newbuild CV90s that will go to Ukraine (20 IIRC) will get 35 mm guns because we cant make 40 mm guns any more.

      Sweden, or rather BAE systems, has the ability to make 1 new CV 90 hull per day, but equipping these hulls with guns, electronics and such things is an entirely different matter. Euro governments does not consider Russia to be a threat because the required infrastructure upgrades for rearnament have not happened and private industry isnt interested because that costs money and reduces the potential for price gouging.

      The only thing that more money for them arms programs has resulted in is a bidding war which has raised the price for a new 155 mm shell to $5000-8000 dollars, more than 10x of what the russians pay for their 152 mm shells. When free market theory collides with actual reality the result is bleak. America had a similar experience in world war 2 which lead to forced nationalization of critical industries that "just could not raise production output".

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They will not be replaced, that is correct, and that is because already have been so. The PBV 302 hasnt been in service since 2014-ish, and is now fully replaced by either CV90 variants or BV410 variants.
        That said another contract to replace the CV90s sent to Ukraine with new ones was signed with BAE just a week or so ago.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >That said another contract to replace the CV90s sent to Ukraine with new ones was signed with BAE just a week or so ago.

          That was about time. The 122s that are gone wont be replaced because it costs too much. And the other stuff is gone forever as well. Sweden will never again have a large conscription army, since it would be prohibitively expensive to buy all the hardware required on the open market, and private special interest capture of the government means that it is politically impossible to rebuild using government owned and operated infrastructure.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The only way Sweden could have a large conscription army is if we went down the Finnish route, where most of them are basic infantry.
            Naturally Sweden wont be able to field 10 divisions of modern armored units, but this was never the case before either.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The only way Sweden could have a large conscription army is if we went down the Finnish route, where most of them are basic infantry.
              >Naturally Sweden wont be able to field 10 divisions of modern armored units, but this was never the case before either.

              Finland isnt nearly as industralized as Sweden and its government also suffers from the same type of dysfunction as the swedish government.

              Sweden could easily afford 10 armored divisions (thats just 200 000 men) under a different political system and different economical and political doctrines. You have no idea how much resources that are wasted on various political schemes meant to enrich domestic and foreign special interests. Its like Weimar, but different, and a swedish Hitler could fix things in a few years just by turning the money spigots off and redirecting the buildup into value adding activities instead of the constant churn. The "green energy transition" is f.ex nothing but churn.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                true corruption and inefficiency is in the system and bloated public sector. Here in binland we could probably cut 150 million/year just from YLE, get exact same services anyway but that alone would probably long term support an extra mechanized battalion

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >true corruption and inefficiency is in the system and bloated public sector.

                Once private enterprise starts to feed on tax money trough public private partnerships and redirect some of the money taken into lobbying for more public private partnerships it is over. No democratic system can recover from the creeping dysfunction resulting from private enterprise leeching off tax money.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We could cut way more and preserve our lovely welfare state if we restructured most of the government and municipal structures and got rid of the useless jobs that don't produce anything. But someone needs to employ all those arts majors and whatever the frick. So they get to sit in an office and decide what colour park benches are the least inoffensive ones to people. Also it'd be great if our right-wingers would stop selling everything abroad and filling their own pockets.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Hitler could fix things in a few years just by turning the money spigots off
                Except thats fricking wrong, gov debt under Nazi Germany soared, kept afloat by the looting and expansion into other countries. Its easy to pay debts and keep you economy engine burning when you take control of someone elses treasury. Hitlers economic bounce was only ever possible by blatant expansionism into other nations.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Except thats fricking wrong, gov debt under Nazi Germany soared, kept afloat by the looting and expansion into other countries.

                I'm talking about the period of 1933-1939 when Germany went trough an "economic miracle" caused by the abolishment of the liberal Weimar government legalized looting economic doctrines.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And thats still wrong, paid for again by a massive unsustainable government spending. Hitler knew it had only one way of sustaining itself--at some point, it
                HAD to loot. Tito did something similar with Yugoslavia, spending wild amounts of money to make line go up, but he did it under the assumption that capitalist banks would die in his lifetime and he never would have to pay it back. Spoiler it didnt.

                Its why Russias gdp went up. Massive unsustainable government spending. It can last a good while but that debt is owed eventually, either in your future gold or your peoples suffering when it collapses or you start hurting people to make them work for monopoly money

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                moron

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >most of them are basic infantry
              That’s bs. Finnish conscripts are trained to operate and maintain pretty much every equipment and weapon system in the arsenal. That’s why the Finnish military is so cost-effective. Because we dont need to have large amount of specialists to do the basic job.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The 122s that are gone wont be replaced because it costs too much.
            There is a REMO program ongoing to upgrade 44 vehicles to the 123-standard (basically A8), but also talk of joining in on the german A8 purchase for replacing the donated vehicles

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why not nationalize everything then?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Why not nationalize everything then?

          The idea with nationalizing infrastructure that produces equipment that is exclusively used by the government, such as large bore cannons and howitzers, shells, high explosives, or guided missiles, or whatever, is to ensure the availability of productive capabilities in time of need, and to ensure that you have your own competent people designing and building stuff, so that you do not end up price gouged free market style or scammed with cost plus R&D projects (see America for bad examples). The reasons the russians outproduce the entire west in artillery shells is because they still had some mothballed ex soviet government owned facilities laying around.

          Also, the reason the russians have so many artillery pieces is because they mothballed them, instead of scrapping them, as Sweden did with all its 155mm L39 Haubits 77 A and B systems, as well as all 120 mm coastal artillery and KARIN systems, and the obsolescent 105 mm haubits 4140. Private enterprise has an interest in lobbying the government to scrap as much as possible so it can sell it new production.

          In a democratic system corruption is instutionalized trough the "lobbyist" system so it is a given that democratic societies end up with tiny armies that have a constant churn of expensive equipment and muntions (f.ex MLRS rockets are only certain to last for 10 years in storage meaning that there is a constant churn of muntions even if they are never fired at all which means that you can't buy many of them or you run out of money).

          Warfare is mostly decided at the strategic level and western democracies have a very poor strategic position for reasons the dregs that become military service members do not understand because their idea of war is to run in the forest, point their gun and shoot.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Atlest some of the cold war stuff ended up in Ukraine via the many brigades of equipment we donated to the baltics in the 1990s. But scrapping all of the rest was a major mistake it would prove...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >western democracies have a very poor strategic position
            okay

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >BAE
          >British Aerospace Engineering
          I don't think they can nationalize that

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >When free market theory collides with actual reality the result is bleak.
        >meanwhile China sold 1 million FPV etc drones to Ukraine and probably 500 thousands to Russia
        Yeah.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          dont bother replying to this homosexual, you can tell hes the commiest communist

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >hich has raised the price for a new 155 mm shell to $5000-8000 dollars, more than 10x of what the russians pay for their 152 mm shells
        I remember when I was told that Russia is paying 10-20k $ per shahed until it turned out they are paying 200k$

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's imports vs manufacture at home. Of course Iran will try and add some zeroes to the bill. Meanwhile, Russia so fricking poor that it doesn't need to pay thousands per worker to have all the positions filled and ammo going out the door. Their shit is crude, but it explodes. I think we need to look into building some less-smart munitions in Europe/US aswell. If you don't have something to feed your guns, you aren't producing enough.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I remember when I was told that Russia is paying 10-20k $ per shahed until it turned out they are paying 200k$

          It seems that they licensed production of these drones so they got far more than just the initial batch of shaheeds. They make about 90 "geranium" drones per day now. The ukies claim thousands shot down.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sure, Russia doesn’t care about worker safety, and they have three times the dud rate on their new shells. There’s probably a lot of other stuff that’ll come to light later.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Russians also pay WAY above normal wages to those that work on those factories due to shortages of workers. 800$ per shell is pure fantasy, they are pay 200 billions per year on defense spending

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >These APCs wont get replaced
        They are out of service and in storage foe 10 years you fricking concern trolling vatnik moron.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >which has raised the price for a new 155 mm shell to $5000-8000 dollars, more than 10x of what the russians pay for their 152 mm shells
        1. LOL. LMAO, even.
        2. Given the observed disparity in actual effectiveness, this would make these western 155mm shells vastly MORE cost-efficient than the russian 152mm ones.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >no money allocated for replacing the stuff that was already sent to Ukraine.
        We've joined nato so they will have to start spending soon enough.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >These APCs wont get replaced
        they were already replaced in service 10 years ago by a combination of patria amv's and bvs10's, most of them were scrapped already before that, we are just sending ukraine the few that are left which were otherwise destined for scrapping

        >because we cant make 40 mm guns any more.
        bofors is still making plentty of them for navies and even made a ground /self proppeled version of a few months ago. The ifv version of the gun has not been in production for ages since export customers preffered other options. The whole point of buying new cv90's is to get things into production quickly so restarting 40mm production is out of the question.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sweden can fight russia to the last finn

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yes, but the Finns were supposed to get all the surplus metal before dying
        Now Ukraine is getting all the surplus metal and the Finns have joined NATO so they have to man up and learn to pull their weight.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >man up
          actually, they have enough men
          Finns need to metal up

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Finns need to metal up

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Considering how Finns tricked the world with their artillery inventory on those coastal defence numbers, do we really know how many tanks they have.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Finns tricked the world with their artillery inventory on those coastal defence numbers
              Mind giving us a QRD on this?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Finland is pretty much the only European Nato country punching above it’s weight

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The Swedish package will include the entire fleet of PBV 302 armored personnel carriers (~650 in service) and surplus tanks of the Swedish Armed Forces.

    Fricking finally someone isn't fricking around. Ukraine needs quantity over quality, And Europe + America + Australlia are sitting on thousands of 60's era armored vehicles we could send in the thousands. USA and Australia have thousands of additional M113s to send, and UK has hundreds of CVR(T)s.

    Ukraine needs to expand casevac and they need battle taxis to do it and these 60's armored vehicles are perfect for it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and surplus tanks of the Swedish Armed Forces.

      There are 80 unupgraded strv 122, that would leave the swedish army with 32-40 strv 122 depending on if the 122s already sent to ukraine were of the upgraded variety or not which I think they were since those 122s sent were in a running condition. Since the unupgraded tanks are mothballed they likely need some refurbishing before being sent.

      The homosexual clown show that is the swedish armed forces is becoming even more clownish, there is now so little left that it isn't more than a constabulary force suitable for fighting jihadis. 24 SPGs and a tank company, the rest consisting of CV9040s and patria 6x6s and 8x8s. On paper this is listed as artillery brigades and armored brigades. Manning is at 30-50% level.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You have no idea how wrong you are, what was the case in like 2010 isnt the case anymore.
        t. Swede NCO

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >t. Swede NCO

          Every swedish officer I have interacted with has been either an idiot (clown) who has no real clue about warfare at all beyond running around in the forest and shooting his gun, or a homosexual, or both. The armed forces died in the 1960s with the generation 68 psyop, and that was 60 years ago. The final blow was the abolishment of the invasion defense conscription army in the 90s, when you were a little boy or not even born yet.

          Now the armed forces are a social engineering project for integrating immigrants, homosexuals and militant stronk womyn feminists in the same workplace. Anyone who has a triple digit IQ doesnt want anything to do with them and as a consequence the morons are running amok.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Im not even gonna answer this crap, but keep living in your bubble where everything was better in the 1960 Conny Ronnysson.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Im not even gonna answer this crap, but keep living in your bubble where everything was better in the 1960 Conny Ronnysson.

              You cant answer me. And I won't tell you to go and get fricked, because I know that you got bottomed already in the barracks today. I support Sweden participating in a relief expedition to Ukraine because that is a sure way to get rid of people like you. Perhaps you will come back minus your leg, or your wiener and balls, and expect to be treated like a hero, but you will find out that those that have seen trough the lies will just consider you a certified idiot, and those that haven't, are simply dumb people unable to care about anyone else but themselves and since you are a cripple, they will see you as a boring person who "cannot do stuff".

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >We shouldnt support Ukraine, and I constantly think about wieners and balls
                t. Lars Johanovitch from Värmland Oblast

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >wiener and balls
                You look like false-flagging ziggoid.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You cant answer me

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why does a self-professed "Swede NCO" talk exactly like our perennial shitpsoter known as Indiana vatBlack person, including the obsession about homosexuals?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Why does a self-professed "Swede NCO" talk exactly like
              Because you can't in2 reading comprehension. The vatnik is quoting and responding to the Swedish NCO you mong.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The peny finaly drops for westoad . Zelenksyy take everything!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and surplus tanks of the Swedish Armed Forces.

      There are 80 unupgraded strv 122, that would leave the swedish army with 32-40 strv 122 depending on if the 122s already sent to ukraine were of the upgraded variety or not which I think they were since those 122s sent were in a running condition. Since the unupgraded tanks are mothballed they likely need some refurbishing before being sent.

      The homosexual clown show that is the swedish armed forces is becoming even more clownish, there is now so little left that it isn't more than a constabulary force suitable for fighting jihadis. 24 SPGs and a tank company, the rest consisting of CV9040s and patria 6x6s and 8x8s. On paper this is listed as artillery brigades and armored brigades. Manning is at 30-50% level.

      >and surplus tanks of the Swedish Armed Forces.
      That looks like a translation error, i read it as "tanker vehicles", as in fuel tankers.
      Nowhere does the Swedish report mention tanks.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >That looks like a translation error, i read it as "tanker vehicles", as in fuel tankers.
        >Nowhere does the Swedish report mention tanks.

        Thats great because the remaining 122s are literally irreplaceable. They will serve for another 50 years at minimum.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >i read it as "tanker vehicles"
        I assume it's a translation of some version of pansarvagn.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the UK sent all their CVRTs that they aren't actively using.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Australia still actively uses its m113as4s, and they are still critically important to their present and future doctrines.

      I don't think they can send very many more.

      You know who can send a frickload of old ifv? Mexico.

      Anyway, don't fall for the "rear echolon/casevac" meme. This shit always ends up at the front.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What Ukraine “needs” is to stop whining.
      >Noooo give me MORE FREE STUFF NOOO
      How’s about you post some fricking actual results, you child-molesting not-Russian israelite Slavs? Hm? Yeah, I remember how garbage your shit nation was considered before the Western Propaganda Machine (tm) fired up. You fricking dumpster-diving filth. Frick off.

      And you uppity fricking Russian shills best frick off back to your shitty combloc crack den apartments too. If you ain’t selling us your cheap Cold War surp, you have literally zero value as a “nation”. Go implode into ANOTHER civil war you fricking meth-addled brainlet apes. You suck at war and will never ook ook muh nook anyone.

      God, everyone involved in this war is just a shit subhuman. Die, all of you.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you have to win the war before we will give you aid

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They’ve been given too much already. And they’re always whining for more. Pay up if you want it you broke-ass Slav trash.

          I genuinely, seriously hope that Russia enacts the Final Chimpening and just slaps Kiev with a nook, effectively commiting national suicide in the process. Get rid of both of these stupid Slav dumpster “nations” and be done with it. Christ.
          >They won’t, because they’re gay and have no balls

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wow anon, you're so edgy

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is Sweden ousting the UK as Europe's most important ally to Ukraine? All of a sudden they are sending everything

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They were always in top 10. And always above UK in % of GDP.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What non-nordics don't understand is that this isn't so much about Ukraine as it is a dick measuring contest between Nordic countries.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Denmark won then, no one will ever reach their level.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's not over yet thobeit.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous
            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          no its not its about no one wanting to be that guy that doesn't do their part to hold back the Russians.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I just want our weapons to kill as many mobiks as possible. Our new president almost slipped the same sentiment out in one interview.

          "In a situation where one party is certainly not following the rules of war, it is not our job to restrict Ukraine's behaviour in any way," he told Finnish media representatives at the press conference.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ackshually I go to Åland for cheaper alcohol.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >used to visit Copenhagen a fair bit back in the 90s
          >Swedes were always there, out on the lash
          It destroyed my image of Swedish people being sensible, Lutheran, northern-Euro types. They were some of the messiest drunks I've ever seen, and they weren't even low class people, a lot of them seemed like businessmen.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous
            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It wasn't really a disappointment it was just my naive stereotype was thoroughly shattered. They were a grand bunch of lads, and who doesn't enjoy a drink?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ok
            imagine my shock when i went to greece and thought i would see a sophisticated and proud people with possibly the richest culture that has ever existed
            only to met by lazy chain smoking people that create garbage mountains in the streets and that on purpose leave their houses unfinished with rebar sticking out like antennas for tax reasons

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Swedes go to other countries to get fricked up and don't act the same at home.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Swedes go to Rügen as well.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the further away you get from Russia the lower the allocation
        checks out.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why does Switzerland have a darker tone than Portugal?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Probably some aid from offshores.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Probably some aid from offshores.

          I think they were somewhat generous with humanitarian aid as an excuse to get away with vetoing gepard ammo.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because Poortugal and our military reflects that.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        % of GDP is just small euro economy cope.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Counting total contribution without taking into consideration GDP is just freeloading on better people than yourself in your own country.

          Besides, EU countries give individually as well as through EU.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because we are in NATO now and this frees up some resources, these things take months to get in place and finally we hate Russia with a passion and have done so since the 16th century. Polls routinely put us at #1 in negative opinion of Russia.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Polls routinely put us at #1 in negative opinion of Russia
        How are you above Finland?
        Or Poland?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          IIRC he is wrong, Finland used to be #1 and we used to be #2 or #3. These days I assume Ukraine and Poland etc has taken the top spots.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why is Sweden ousting the UK as Europe's most important ally to Ukraine? All of a sudden they are sending everything

      The american ambassador clearly got his money's worth of service. All involved on the swedish government side will go on to high paying jobs in globohomosexual organisations.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Swedes don't need bribes to want to hurt Russia. For the low price so far, we pay it gladly. Believe me, everyone I speak to hates Russia and want them to bleed.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This, wanting TZD isnt a controversial opinion here, its the norm.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Even the Sub-Saharan Africans?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Most of those are islamic terrorists, and those hate russia too, yes

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why don't we ask the ones serving in the Russian army for citizenship?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        globohomosexual > gulaghomosexual pidorashka

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The american ambassador clearly got his money's worth of service
        Based cheque-book diplomacy.
        It's a lot nicer than gunboat diplomacy and far and away preferable to glavset diplomacy.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Based cheque-book diplomacy.
          >It's a lot nicer than gunboat diplomacy and far and away preferable to glavset diplomacy.

          Americans invest $1 in bribing local politicians and extract $1 000 000 in value from the local populace. A good business, until the locals revolt, oust the government and kickbans all americans as being hostile.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >A good business, until the locals revolt, oust the government and kickbans all americans as being hostile
            What do you think is going to happen to Russians in Georgia when Ivanishvili's house of cards collapses?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I hope your life falls apart and you die miserable, sad and full of regret.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Sweden got its ass kicked by Russia and literally lost half their empire (Finland and Estonia) in one go
        >Swedes volunteered to fight for Finland in 1939
        >Swedish Cold War doctrine was blatantly geared towards defending from a Soviet attack
        >Sweden literally has a statue of Karl XII pointing in Russia's direction with a sword in hand
        This isn't exactly rocket science, buddy.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >lost half their empire (Finland and Estonia) in one go
          It was a hundred years between sweden losing estonia and sweden losing finland but ok

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >ttack
          literally has a statue of Karl XII pointing in Russia's direction with a sword in hand
          I heard it was built by Poles in Sweden ironically

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Sweden literally has a statue of Karl XII pointing in Russia's direction with a sword in hand
          Isn't your second biggest party pro-Russian?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Sweden Democrats are homosexuals on the Russians payroll just like tankies. If you're a degenerate loser (nazis, commies and etc) then Putin has his wiener up their ass so to speak in Russian terms.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Swedish ass status?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The ass is in the ass.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The ass is in the Ikea and soon the meatbulls will be measured

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The Sweden Democrats are homosexuals on the Russians payroll
              FWIW: They claim to have purged the vatniks from their ranks after the invasion and supported NATO etc.
              Not sure whether it's bullshit because I'm not Swedish and know SFA about their politics but that's what I read on the SD wikipedia page.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, vatnigs are still in the party in important positions. They also claim they're not nazis or racists but they constantly get caught posting /b/-tier shit on Facebook. Imagine if the dumbest morons of /misc/ and /b/ started a party, that's SD.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just a few weeks ago bongs sent a package with something like 2000 missiles including storm shadows etc. Do you have memory loss?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia is our blood enemy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That makes us two swedebro
        t. finn

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because we hate russia, they have always been our biggest enemy. Though we did colonize them back in the day so they are in part viking rape babies just israelite the brits, Irish and so many others.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >our biggest enemy
        Not Somalis?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because they are the most based of the euros.
      >america
      >power gap
      >Sweden
      >UK
      >France
      >g*rmany

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The Swedish package will include the entire fleet of PBV 302 armored personnel carriers (~650 in service) and surplus tanks of the Swedish Armed Forces.

    This is an ancient relic, based upon the PBV-301, which was based on the Panzerkampfwagen 38 (t), a czech pre world war 2 tank.

    It has a double hull so it should be better than a M113 but dont expect too much from this thing, its amphibious so it has BMP/M113 levels of armor.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >based upon the PBV-301,
      It isnt tho. At all. It was a clean sheet design produced to replace the PBV-301 and shares no components with it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It isnt tho. At all. It was a clean sheet design produced to replace the PBV-301 and shares no components with it.

        A "clean sheet" design that was a further developement of the PBV-301. Its like saying that the M-60 wasn't related to the M48.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >that was a further developement of the PBV-301
          It wasnt tho, it shares nothing, not a single component with the PBV-301, nor even its basic shape, the only thing that it shares is idea of an APC, and if thats what you are going for you might aswell call the BMP-3 a development of the PBV-301.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    probably the perfect cold war battle taxi. Low ground pressure, fast, its the M113 or MT-LB but better.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that rusBlack person destroyed Gammalsvenskby in Kherson.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Gammalsvenskby
      I wanted to see what the bread was like!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is exactly what the Ukies need, just tons of armoured battle taxis that can really fill out the ranks. 650 would be enough to at least fufill the needs of the formations the Ukies have on the line right now. Reducing the brittleness of the Ukie army is one of the big goals for this year e.g., training conscripts to fill out depleted units, creating new defensive formations and reserves, building fortifications, and unfricking the supply hell that has probably developed over the past 2ish years of fighting. The Ukies are going to have to be opportunistic when going on the offensive and you can't do that if you're always riding the knife edge of disaster. They definitely made a ton of mistakes in years prior now let's see if they can course-correct.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They definitely made a ton of mistakes in years prior now let's see if they can course-correct.
      They'll course-correct onto different, never-before-seen mistakes but that's how it goes I guess.

      https://i.imgur.com/XUmzKbS.jpeg

      Thanks, that video really blueballed me with the giant bowl of dough and no clue how it turned out.
      It's essentially a crock-pot bread?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's essentially a crock-pot bread?
        You mean oven?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You mean oven?
          I meant dutch-oven because it looks like what you get when you bake in a dutch-oven but I confused it in my head with crockpot bread which is also a thing and looks like picrel
          Both kinds end up looking pretty rustic though I strongly doubt a Ukrainian/Swedish/Estonian grandma from a village in the sticks is using a crockpot.
          I'm sure she's using a Pich or something similar.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >650 would be enough to at least fufill the needs of the formations the Ukies have on the line right now.

      650 PBV 302s will last 1-2 months tops before they are almost all gone. Then they need 650 new. But there is no western production capability and western governments are not investing in such things. The money is already booked by other more entrenched domestic and foreign special interests.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Losses might be great in this war, but I doubth either side is loosing 650 APC a month.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Losses might be great in this war, but I doubth either side is loosing 650 APC a month.

          It seems that you havent been following the war close at all. The only reasons the ukies have lower losses than the russians is because they are so depleted in vehicles that they dont have many of them traveling the front lines.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the only reasons
            Or they're not FAS babies like you, doing nonstop braindead uraaa charges.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              why do they look like this

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thousands of years of Churka genetics and FAS

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                High percentages of Neanderthal DNA.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >High percentages of Neanderthal DNA.
                Neanderthal DNA isn't actually a bad thing, or a stupid thing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                fetal alcohol syndrome. No really. You find that distinct rodent face with a lot of irish too

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                why do they look like this

                The memes were true

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Jesus "Come and See" kid really fell low.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they dont have many of them traveling the front lines.
            Uh huh. What killed all the zigger tanks in webmrelated, then?

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is Sweden so anti-russia?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Over a thousand years ago Swedish vikings (called Varangians) civilised and organised East Slavic tribes into states
      >One of those states (Russia) then turned around to destroy their creator forever splitting Sweden in half and letting Finland loose into the world

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All of the Nordics run high trust societies where we feel that cooperation is the best for the common good. That is why we regard the rest of you c**ts as some kind of sociological test of chimp on chimp violence, with the most extreme example being represented by Russia.

      I recall a conversation with a British chav that came to Sweden for a football match, going on about "filling his boots" with the brand names that we hang to dry in the sun after laundry. I was gobsmacked. Never before had I even encountered the concept of stealing second hand clothes like that.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Suuure.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly this. The russian way of life and lack of coherent or compatible system of social contracts is the greatest divider between the nordics and russia. We are countries that operate on the rule of law, while in russia there only exists the rule of man. Thereby, they will always have corruption and a struggle for power between "strongmen". We are democracies that mostly abhor the stagnation of authoritarianism and cult of personality -bullshit that exists within russia. They are not to be trusted until they have a moment of "clarity" and unshackle themselves.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I recall a conversation with a British chav that came to Sweden for a football match, going on about "filling his boots" with the brand names that we hang to dry in the sun after laundry. I was gobsmacked. Never before had I even encountered the concept of stealing second hand clothes like that.

        "Filling his boots". Whats that even supposed to mean? He was going to steal brand name socks? Brits are like english speaking russians, they are commonly regarded as scum by swedes, and are infamous as the worst kind of tourists across Europe.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >". Whats that even supposed to mean?
          "At the HMS Victory museum in Portsmouth UK, you can buy a thick leather cup lined with pitch. This is a replica of the sailor's mug used on board in Nelson's time, and it was used (among other things) for the rum ration when issued. This cup is called a "boot", and when things were good and you got an extra rum ration, sailors were told "Fill Yer Boots"!"

          Is is an anglicism. Google it.

          [...]
          >b-b-bongs make me soooo MAD!
          Post passport Turdie

          Bongs do not make me mad, gov. I have lived among you for quite some time. If I am a turdie, how could I even know the "fill yer boots" expression.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I recall a conversation with a British chav that came to Sweden for a football match, going on about "filling his boots" with the brand names that we hang to dry in the sun after laundry. I was gobsmacked. Never before had I even encountered the concept of stealing second hand clothes like that.

        "Filling his boots". Whats that even supposed to mean? He was going to steal brand name socks? Brits are like english speaking russians, they are commonly regarded as scum by swedes, and are infamous as the worst kind of tourists across Europe.

        >b-b-bongs make me soooo MAD!
        Post passport Turdie

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gee, I dunno. Why is most of Europe pretty Anti-Russia? Oh, I know, we've had 80 years of peace in europe that is disrupted by an authoritarian shithole that wants to think it's still the 19th century. We are here because russians couldn't get rid of serfdom and are still lead by corrupt murderers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Very much this. Putin gambled that he could just violate the Helsinki Declaration and everybody would sweep it under the rug after a few weeks, and it’s probably going to down as one of the biggest blunders of the post-WWII era.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They took Finland from us, and the baltic states that we rightfully would own in a just universe. Also who could like them? They are violent morons who just insist on making everything worse than it already was by any means possible.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >PBV 302
    Wew... my grandfather drove one of those during his military service. I didn't know we still had some.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There has been a couple of hundred in storage since they went out of service. Ostensibly to equip some sort of mechanized reserve in the years between 2000 and 2015, but that was a paper concept if anything.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    thats cool
    wheres gripen doe

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh no a Lee

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why are so many people cumming their pants over pic related tho?
    i thought NATO was already using awacs and long range radar to feed the ukrainians with everything they need

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why are so many people cumming their pants over pic related tho?
      Like who?
      People just mentioned it was happening and what they thought it would be used for, I didn't see anyone making a big deal out of it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      NATO AWACS has a range of like ~400km. So from the Polish border It doesn't even reach Kiev.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      look at the map tard. nafo saucers are flying either on poland-romania-black sea axis. They cant see what is going on over the ukraine-puccia border in the east, specially everything in kharkiv-belgorod-kursk-sumy are

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      we are gearing up more and more for direct attacks on russian soil and NATO will need plausible deniability of how ukraine is acquiring targets

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Swedish vehicles are the best choice for any army which is constrained on budget

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Decisive tweet victory.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]

      But what is this actually leads to toxicity levels in the rest of the internet subsiding because the inflow is dammed (or damned)?

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm just going to pretend this 37-post long screencap doesn't exist
    yeah

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    beggars cant be choosers but at some point ukraine must feel a bit humiliated receiving these 60 year old rustbuckets
    i mean thats not as pathetic as MT-LBs but theres also not that much of a difference any more

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Before I die I want to be able to walk through the ruins of Nyenskans (St. P*tersburg) and smell the death and rot.

    t. otherwise pen is mightier than the sword swede

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are you happy or sad that Poltava won't become a battlefield again?

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bump

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      bump

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >SwedWACS

    At last, actual strategically significant hardware.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maintaining a whole zoo of IFV's is already a nightmare, and it's gonna be even worse. We've just learned how to fix M113 on site.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Look on the bright side, you might get a nice job abroad as a contractor in the future with all that experience across so many foreign platforms.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >youporn
    First off who the frick watches YouPorn?
    Second Russia has a gigantic native porn industry of both professional and amateur productions. The last thing Russians will ever run out of is pornography.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fricking things got sold out around me before I could finish my mechanized swedes for Team Yankee now I'll have to buy straight from Battle*ront at +40% price.

    Anyway pic related absolutely when

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine how many more cool things we could give Ukraine if our homosexual politicians hadn't dismantled our military after the USSR collapsed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Feels like all the cool shit we made in the 40s, 50s and 60s has either been sold to rich homosexuals or left to ruin.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is part of the Swedish tradition to flex wealth by "wasting" valuble things to prove they have no value for you.

    Here is a video explaining the concept.

    We get to flex on the poorgay danes and frick over the russians, win win.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    AIDs ridden, krokadil sucking depressed paedophilic alcoholics are well-adjusted?

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Russian camprostitutes just switched to subscribestar tho.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russian camprostitutes
      >not posting picrel
      You had one job anon.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lame thott. Pipay does shitloads of scat.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Looks like priggy found his shells?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ..i should call her

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ASC 890
    Fugg, that's built on a 340 isn't it? I fricking love the old 340

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