With the expansion from mountain climbing into mandated trekking guides, are Sherpas basically just and ethnic protection racket?
>we wouldn’t want to have an accident, you better pay us
They also own all the shops, huts, and small airlines in the area.
>https://heavenhimalaya.com/solo-treks-in-nepal-will-no-longer-be-allowed/
The dickriding they get is insane too, they are treated like super human shaman, and it’s just because they are brown 3rd worlders.
Maybe back in the early 20th century, when things there were still being explored and mapped, their local knowledge was invaluable, but now days there is nothing they do or know that others can’t do or already know.
They're guarding the entrance to Agartha, and the WEF is facilitating this. Wake up.
Same thing in Tibet. There's tunnels to Reptilian underground bases.
Sherpas barely get paid compared to the organizers of the groups people sign up with. They need the money, it's your ticket to visit. The pay they get is low and has to last the year. They share with family who do not work in the mountains and also risk death each season.
they are accustomed to the altitude more than people who are not from there.
local knowledge is always invaluable
>Sherpas barely get paid compared to the organizers of the groups people sign up with.
>get paid less than some celebrity mountaineer
No shit, you don’t say.
>They need the money
They make 7x more that the average Nepal, and own almost all the shops, tea huts, and small airlines in the area.
>it's your ticket to visit
That’s what the permits are supposed to be for, but the Sherpa mafia can shut down an entire mountain and ruin your whole trip and wasting thousands if they feel like they aren’t getting paid enough or even for no reason at all.
>The pay they get is low and has to last the year.
Low compared to westerners, but their pay is closer to an Eastern European than anyone else in their part of the world.
Nothing stops them from working other jobs outside of the climbing season.
>They share with family who do not work in the mountains
Their family work in the shops and many huts they own.
>risk death each season.
So does every climber, but they have to pay the Sherpa mafia to do so.
>they are accustomed to the altitude more than people who are not from there.
It’s not like they live at EBC elevation, and acclimatization is a solved issue.
White people even made special chambers to do so rapidly.
>local knowledge is always invaluable
Nah it was really only needed to figure out how to the mountains in the early days.
These people were more interested in worshiping the mountains than climbing them, so all the actual climbing knowledge was first learned by White people.
>Nims pic rel
Nims record will easily be broken once someone figures out how to game the corrupt permit system better than him with his military/ government connections
>Nah it was really only needed to figure out how to the mountains in the early days.
>These people were more interested in worshiping the mountains than climbing them, so all the actual climbing knowledge was first learned by White people.
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it doesn't matter how much better white people are at climbing. we need supplemental oxygen. many sherpas don't. the only way a white guy could do what they do is, i dunno, start a breakaway civilzation for a few thousand years in nepal until they genetically adapt?
White people climb 8000m peaks without oxygen every year. It just requires additional acclimatization.
This is blatantly against the soul of mountaineering. This has nothing to do with climbing mountains and more so that capitalism has been repositioned as the central focus.
Nepal is shit at this point for anyone except rich tourists.
If you really want to climb super high altitude peaks, go to Pakistan instead.
If you don't care about altitude and just want some good mountaineering/climbing, go to places like Alaska, Canada, Patagonia, etc.
For sure, Karakoram is the way to go.
Plus it's full Macedonian redheads.
Yeah, this is fucking awful. Of the 40+ countries I've visited Nepal was absolutely my favourite, and that was mostly because of how easy it was to go PrepHole as a solo traveler. The Himalayas are beautiful and with all the trails leading from teahouse to teahouse you could hike for weeks without needing to worry about carrying a tent or food or really any supplies at all.
This decision completely ruins that.
just take a friend anon. you do have a friend, right?
All these armchair PrepHoleists debating rules in effect in a country they will never visit. Kinda pathetic.
Same thing I was thinking. Like this was the straw that broke the camel's back on that trip to Everest lmao
This makes no difference to boomers or anyone else planning trips up Everest, anyone climbing a serious mountain in Nepal was already required to do so as part of a guided group. This shits on zoomers, millenials and people who wanted to do their own thing.
Prior to this you could easily go trekking in Nepal for under $25/day, and you were free to manage your own itinerary. Now the price is at least twice that, putting long trips outside the budget of many travelers.
You fags are talking like a plane flight is $10k lol
t. trustfund baby
Jk, I'm just poor.
ITT: butthurt jealous white boomers (cringe)
>Sherpas basically just and ethnic protection racket?
Yes. And if our people were smart they'd be doing the same thing
Shame. That solidifies my decision to visit Central Asia over Nepal or India once I can afford it.
Well I wanted to go do the Annapurna circuit solo but I guess that's not possible anymore.
This law is mostly about ensuring employment opportunities for Sherpa people's and making the tourism economy more equitable, so more of the money goes direct to local people.
Also mandating guides will mean a lot lot less people will get into problems (such as getting lost or stuck) and need rescuing.
You might not realise it but a lot of dumb idiots go to Nepal and get themselves into problems and the Nepalese government spends vast amounts of money trying to rescue these people. Mandating local guides will prevent a lot of this.
nepal should be gatekept. that's a good thing. way too many corpses littering everest.
anyone got a photo of technicolor hill on everest? quote this and post it please. google appears to have censored all the images of it in the last few years.
> mandating guides will mean a lot lot less people will get into problems (such as getting lost or stuck) and need rescuing.
You might not realise it but a lot of dumb idiots go to Nepal and get themselves into problems
Wrong, this rarely happens with normal trekking there.
You are conflating it with the mountain climbing.
Meant to greentext the second sentence too
>Wrong, this rarely happens with normal trekking there.
no, it happens frequently.
have you any idea the amount of people who are going trekking in nepal? most of them with zero experience.
people are constantly getting lost, getting hypothermia, breaking legs, twisting ankles.
have you any idea the expense and logistics of rescuing these idiots?
do some research. this is well publicised.
Happens less frequently than in the US.
You make it sound like a death trap, but the abundance of huts makes it much less dangerous
>Happens less frequently than in the US.
yes but it's happening in places which are far more remote from population centres where there isn't the emergency and rescue infrastructure in place such as found in a first world country.
have you been trekking in nepal?
there are no roads. everything goes in and out by foot and donkey in the mountains. often several days of trekking.
the complexities are completely different than most situations in the US.
Dude wtf are you taking about?
A majority of the most popular treks there are not remote at all and go through many farms, towns, and villages.
It’s not that different from thru hiking the JMT
what treks are you talking about?
>have you been trekking in nepal?
Not the anon you're talking to but yes, twice, Annapurna Circuit and Three Passes+EBC+Island Peak (obviously the summit day was guided on the latter trek, I met up with the team at Chukhung).
He's completely right. The vast majority of trekkers in Nepal will be on extremely well-traveled trails. Like you say, these trails are the only supply route for many of the mountain villages so if something goes wrong you'll be able to flag a porter down to send for help pretty much immediately. That also means they're extremely easy to follow.
And while there might not be roads Nepal has a surfeit of helicopters ferrying tourists and heavy machinery back and forth.
it's hilarious you're arguing this when this issue is so well publicised for years.
just last 2 years 40 hikers have disappeared. this is hikers, not climbers.
thats an unmanageable number for a small country like nepal.
and thats to say nothing of the thousands who are injured or require rescue each year.
and i love how you dismiss the fact there is no roads as if it's inconsequential.
ye you can find a porter to get help. he's going to do what? walk 3 days to the nearest town? so the rescuers can walk 3 days to reach you?
you're ignorant.
>he needs a guide to keep him safe while hiking a farm road
Lmao the absolute state of NuOut
>are Sherpas basically just and ethnic protection racket?
no
if you were un aware of this sherpas have long term genetic acclimation to the altitude. this means they're the only people who can realistically do that job. they don't need oxygen in the death zone, and they can carry tanks for you. they're also the only people who can realistically do body recoveries even if you take out all the religious/spiritual reasons why they disallow westerners from doing so.
they're not some genetic supermen though. because of this genetic adaptation they get inner ear problems whenever they try to live near sea level. just being there can rupture their eardrums.
Apparently the rule doesn't apply to the Everest area which is where probably most of the accidents occur? How does that make sense?
>How does that make sense?
That's probably where a majority of their money comes from.
So then it's just an effort to squeeze more money out of tourists.
It does apply to the Everest area, for hikers.
It doesn't apply to climbers as climbers are already obliged to hire local sherpas plus they need to meet certain requirements to get the licensing necessary for climbing Everest.
it's an effort to improve employment in the trekking areas and to reduce the amount of people getting lost/injured/dead each year.