The result of two ATGM missiles hitting the Ukrainian M2A2 ODS-SA "Bradley" IFV in the Avdiyivka direction

The result of two ATGM missiles hitting the Ukrainian M2A2 ODS-SA "Bradley" IFV in the Avdiyivka direction

One of the missiles hit the on-board BRAT dynamic defense units, which completely contained the impact. The other only caught the blocks on the tower of the machine

The IFV remained on the move, none of the crew members were injured

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Good shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lucky guys inside! I wouldn't ant to roll the dice on that personally.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Of course not but if I had to pick an IFV in Ukraine to have to ride in it would hands down be the Bradley

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    SECOND

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      TO

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        NONE

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I was about to applaud the Russians for taking out a Bradley, then reminding them that it likely KO'd endless mobiks with it's 25mm chaingun and that more will come to replace them. But they didn't even take it out, and it returned to base for repairs?!

      Bradley's a hodgepodge design over years but did they accidentally make the best IFV possible? Later ones use the 30 or 40mm chaingun, but 25mm seems to be the sweetspot where you have impact but have a lot of ammo.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >hodgepodge design
        morons who watched pentagon wars and thought it was a documentary need to get out

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But it has Frasier!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the M2 is not a hodge podge, every single major design element was intended from the start
        the only really questionable design decisions were the firing ports and the associated guns, which is a moot point since they were welded over with the A2 since the add-on armor would block them anyways

        as for why it can make it back to base even when hit by an ATGM, the M2 was designed to prioritize protecting the crew at all costs
        so it has a ton of active measures (not APS but things like automatic fire extinguishers) to ensure that its "dont get killed" layer of protection is good even when they cant do anything about "dont get penetrated"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think there's much evidence the 25mm is better or worse than 30mm. But focusing on caliber and nothing else is moronic anyways

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The 25mm bushmaster is known to be exceptionally accurate for a weapon of it's class. So there's that.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          There's no "better" or "worse", just different. The larger rounds obviously pack more punch, but you can have less of them so there's a trade off and you're looking for the best fit.

          25mm:
          >accurate
          >can store more
          >highly plentiful (in Ukraine).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            25mm shells are insanely cheap too. like $8 a round cheap for HEI

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              i always laugh when morons here go
              >hurr its expensive theyre wasting it!!!
              i argued with one dumbass who noticed that the gunner on one bradley was a woman and just kept bringing that fact up too, to imply that she was incompetent just because she was a woman kek

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine if she brapped in there.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >brap gays
                you could have a regular fantasy like doggy in the back but no

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                for me its her boots (she wore them all day long)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                25mm shells are insanely cheap too. like $8 a round cheap for HEI

                Yes, they focus on women to try to divide support for Ukraine. Meanwhile, roles like medic and gunner are roles women are actually suited for. They just would make shitty infantry and special forces. When you're invaded, you can't spare people so having 20% of your forces be women is a benefit.

                Also some women are in the UAV units, meaning that they might have insane kill counts at this point.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >ey was a woman and just kept bringing that fact up too, to imply that she was incompetent just because she was a woman
                Well maybe she isn't incompetent but I definitely wouldn't be very combat effect being cramped inside a hot sweaty vehicle with her

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >like $8 a round cheap for HEI
              No.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                80 dollars for a single HEI-T in 2017? That sounds like a lot.

                They must be making a shit ton of money of that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/1G9hKq3.jpg

                >like $8 a round cheap for HEI
                No.

                Guess what anon, $8 and $80 are basically identical. If you pretend otherwise you're a moronic third worlder. 500 pounders are like 5k and they were literally throwing them away on random trees in Vietnam, and that was the 1960s US economy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i wonder how much money the manufactorers makes off each round.

                75 dollars maybe?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >they're all, le israelites bro!!!
                Shut the frick up loser.

                https://i.imgur.com/gokQ6mY.jpg

                How can you improve the Bradley's armor configuration without affecting weight? Maybe some new super aluminum alloy? Is the funny looking shape of the BMP more effective? Am I moronic?

                The shape of the BMP is to promote ricochets, there's (per type of shell) an angle at which rounds won't fuze/penetrate/etc and that shape is about the right one. I believe it also has something to do with amphibious use.

                But the shape of the two vehicles isn't particularly relevant, so much is different between them that things like the slope of the armor/etc don't really count on their own. You have to analyze it as a whole package and that's not something you can do in a post here.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Just to rub it in how fricking pathetic you are, you fricking loser:

                https://www.gd-ots.com/munitions/medium-caliber-ammunition/25mm-bushmaster/
                GD makes M792.

                https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/orbital-bags-multiple-ammunition-contracts/
                Orbital (now Northrup Grumman) makes M792.

                https://www.highergov.com/contract-opportunity/m792-high-explosive-incendiary-with-tracer-cartrid-w519tc-23-r-m792-r-0b3fa/
                Here is a literal public US government contract, open to
                >Interested U.S./Canadian firms who feel they are capable of manufacturing the above cartridge
                Soliciting offers.

                This is an entire thing, done by people smarter than you, with very rigidly controlled pricing. You are not clever, you're a pathetic little b***h and nobody cares what you have to say about this. Go and cry in your basement.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >they're all, le israelites bro!!!
                Shut the frick up loser.

                [...]
                The shape of the BMP is to promote ricochets, there's (per type of shell) an angle at which rounds won't fuze/penetrate/etc and that shape is about the right one. I believe it also has something to do with amphibious use.

                But the shape of the two vehicles isn't particularly relevant, so much is different between them that things like the slope of the armor/etc don't really count on their own. You have to analyze it as a whole package and that's not something you can do in a post here.

                i think you are confusing me with someone else. i just noticed that they probably make a lot of dough of each round.

                thats just how shit works.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >This is an entire thing, done by people smarter than you, with very rigidly controlled pricing.

                Its called a "pricing fixing cartel". 100 years ago the US congress broke up gigantic pricing fixing cartels like these but all that is forgotten today.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yo're not getting any reparations, Jaykwon

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                A factor of 10 is not almost identical.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                When the money is imaginary, and our imagination is limitless, it is identical.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Guess what anon, $8 and $80 are basically identical

                Not to the defense contractor and this is a massive incitament to corruption.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >80$
                Four russian conscript wages.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >>can store more
            Negligible amount. Rim diameter of the Russian 30mm is nearly the same as 25mm so they have same belt length.
            BMP-2 carries 500 ready rounds, Bradley carries 300 ready, 600 storage.

            German 27x145Bmm and french 30x150B are even more volumetricaly efficient. 25mm is worst modern autocannon round storage wise.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >German 27x145Bmm and french 30x150B are even more volumetricaly efficient. 25mm is worst modern autocannon round storage wise.

              I dont understand why they went with a belted cartridge for headspacing instead of a slightly bottlenecked cartridge similar to 23x115. Any wizards who could explain why? Same ammunition capacity, but a larger volume of gunpowder.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but more will come to replace them
        I doubt it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      TO

      NONE

      FIGHT TONIGHT

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      IMPACTO

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    DAMN BRAT, CONTAINING THE IMPACT. CORRECTION IS NEEDED

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I was going say something similar, good shit anon.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >DAMN BRAT, CONTAINING THE IMPACT. CORRECTION IS NEEDED
      Kek

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >BRAT
      BRAD

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    unknown technology blyat

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Taking two at5s is legit nuts

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wonder if it's the same brad from this video

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Very well could be. Doesn’t look like it hurt the Bradley all that much

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Bingo

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      *muffled angry horse noises in the distance*

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      boy they're really proud of not destroying it aren't they

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >TFW we haven't sent more of them yet because of moronic domestic politics

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why you not fix shit bro?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the number of people breaking shit overwhelms the people trying to fix it and to even be in a position to fix shit you have to align with a political party which are all run by the people breaking all the shit.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So American ERA actually works, while Soviet/Russian ERA creates new Cosmonauts?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >So American ERA actually works, while Soviet/Russian ERA creates new Cosmonauts?

      This is conventional composite armor, not ERA.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm pretty sure it's ERA.
        https://armyrecognition.com/ukraine_-_russia_conflict_war_2022/ukrainian_bradley_m2a2_upgraded_with_brat_reactive_armor_kit.html

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    frick off

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why would you be so triggered? Looks schizo.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You mean how this thread seemed to set you off

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If you don't want to be called out, stopped being a schizo, warriortard. But that is never going to happen, does it?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Called out for what? On topic posting

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Spamming threads, samegayging, falseflagging, shilling, compulisive lying, banevading, even more samegayging, seething, etc

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Genuinely tell me, are you Autistic? No way someone could be this focused on spamming /k/ with this 1 specific topic for years otherwise

                Are you moronic? Can you point to a single other thread about this BRAT defeating ATGMs

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >so uhm... can you answer to what isn't even meant? btw totally not warriortard here.
                Yeah, i complety can not understand why so many think you are somewhat disingenious and moronic.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Hey buddy, just a quick question, if somewhat would do all or some of what is mentioned in

                Spamming threads, samegayging, falseflagging, shilling, compulisive lying, banevading, even more samegayging, seething, etc

                , would that make the person who does that a schizo?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes absolutely. You’re the schizophrenic in this case for sperging in an innocuous thread.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No need to get so defensive. Just answer it with yes or no. Why woukd you even react in such a strange way if you weren't warriortard?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I’m sorry but I don’t care what your dictations are. You spend way too much time thinking about this moron and you can’t tell the difference between his shill threads and a thread about an actual event that’s making its way around the war news cycle. I’m not even OP and I’ve been called warriortard in multiple threads this week. It’s concerning

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Cry me a river, b***h. I already know what is going on: mods are already after you after the bullshit you tried yesterday and now you fear you lose the last unbanned device for posting. Sorry, but no one is buying this fake ass good boy behavior.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                unhinged over a picture of properly functioning ERA. Zigger?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, another salty straw man accusation? I must had hit a nerve with my 'mods being after you' comment , warriortard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                My dear warriortard, most of us could ban evade and shitpost as much as you do, but we simply don't, because we aren't all complete schizos, it is below us and what the average anon has as standards. You aren't special because you do what most think is too stupid or schizo. I doubt what you do makes you even happy, maybe /misc/ is more up your speed. Yes, we know you post there, so maybe move there completely for everyone's benefit.

                t. the rest of us

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                First of all this thread, your reaction and whole dishonest demeanor has warriortard written all over it. Secondly your odd overreaction is one of the strongest factors when it comes to derailing this thread.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Genuinely tell me, are you Autistic? No way someone could be this focused on spamming /k/ with this 1 specific topic for years otherwise

                >so uhm... can you answer to what isn't even meant? btw totally not warriortard here.
                Yeah, i complety can not understand why so many think you are somewhat disingenious and moronic.

                Cry me a river, b***h. I already know what is going on: mods are already after you after the bullshit you tried yesterday and now you fear you lose the last unbanned device for posting. Sorry, but no one is buying this fake ass good boy behavior.

                Oh, another salty straw man accusation? I must had hit a nerve with my 'mods being after you' comment , warriortard.

                Why is this reaction so funny? What is it about the Bradley that causes people to MALD uncontrollably

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                People hate overachievers. Simple as

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Genuinely tell me, are you Autistic? No way someone could be this focused on spamming /k/ with this 1 specific topic for years otherwise

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The domino set will never be the same ;_;

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      clean your fricking Bradly. savages.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not everyone lives in a dry desert, amigo.
        The climate is shit, stuff gets filthy ASAP.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          frick off Ukraine looks the same as Alberta to me.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it is the same. except at the same time, we get the weather of southern siberia lel
            t.polish grandmother told me so

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ever wonder why so many Ukrainians moved here?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Similar climate. Same thing for why mid-west has so many germoids.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                no shit dingdong.
                that was rhetorical.
                nobody is impressed with your trivia.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    MBTs are dying left and right, why can't they put the same thing on those?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ziggers got one a while back to take home as a trophy, mobiks are somewhat disheartened when they found out there was more than one Brad

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >ERA stopped an ATGM hit to the side
    Doubt, an RPG or SPG sure but what ATGM has low enough pen for even big ERA to stop it?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If they don't have tandem warhead then easy.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Did it’s job as intended

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How does ERA even work bros? What are those angled plates

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Generally speaking ERA works against shaped charges by disrupting the jet early on, thereby decreasing penetration. I think this image does a good job of explaining how shaped charges work, the liner collapses in on itself due to the explosives, at which point a jet of metal gets squirted out at the target. The forces involved are high enough the metal can behave kinda like a fluid. The ERA tries to deform the jet while it isn't fully formed if possible, though more often than not it cannot react that early + standoffs in warheads are usually sufficient for the jet to more or less fully form, so instead what it does is deform the very thin jet by blasting it with explosives, with a thin flyer plate transferring the force. In recent years, to counter kinetic munitions, "heavy" ERA with thick plates have come into being instead, whereby the plate is accelerated to a lower velocity. This means the deformation of the jet takes longer but it's compensated by a different mechanism, plate feeding, whereby new sections of the plate are fed into the path of the jet. Because of this, all types of ERA have to be mounted at an angle to work, they barely do anything when hit straight on.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I dunno. He seems pretty comfortable living inside your head rent free.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    BRAT ToT

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >BRAT dynamic defense units
    some drawgay better conjure up a bradley mesugaki stat

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ERA that actually works
    >unknown technology bylat

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      UNKNOWN TECHNOLOGY BLYAAAAT

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm surprised by the number of Warhammer fans in the AFU with this and the Khorne Group.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          40k is massively popular throughout post-Soviet territory

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not just there, it has become a cultural hallmark for the entirety of the Northern hemisphere, I know it started as satire but 40k is a very endearing lense for looking the world, like a court's fool who is making a joke yet telling the truth, that'swhy it rings so well, rather than the strictly good vs evil LOTR optic it allows for better analogies in this world of us, for the russians this is basically their Imperial Guard reenactment attempting to recover a lost sector fallen to Chaotic influence while speed running technological stagnation, for Ukrainians it's PDF trying to hold a massive Ork waagh while Terra is being ineffectual to supply them with the material needed due politics, and then there are people who have ended up loving the blood-letting and make it an spectacle to be shared, they say life can be black comedy, then of course satire will be quite accurate.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Man Feb 2022 started with Ukes slapping purity seals on everything.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine designing vehicles not to kaboom

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    test

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      making sure your vpn is working?

      • 1 month ago
        warriortard

        yeah

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Avdiyivka direction
    >direction
    Why do ex-Soviet states use this terminology? Is it used in lieu of "front"?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It comes from an old Russian proverb. “There are no roads in Russia, only directions “

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Probably an artifact of "Deep Battle" mindset, you always think and refer to theatres in terms of your prize goal. They like to pretend they are a maneuver force, after all.
      "Front" is too static in connotation.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    They are not shills, it just turns out that their politics happen to coincide with russian interests

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    BRAT only worked because it's not cardboard like Russian ERA. In reality the design is not that good.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >BRAT only worked because it's not cardboard like Russian ERA. In reality the design is not that good.

      Low amount of plates
      No protection against 45 degree impacts (f.ex fired from top of houses or from diving drones)

      A cash grab, in simple terms.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >the party of Reagan turned into Russian wienersuckers
    I hate this fricking clownworld.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      As a non American I find it hilarious, American politics is truly the greatest show on earth

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Euro?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Guatemala

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reagan was an anti-gun homosexual.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >First the video of a brad mowing down a wave of mobiks trying to disembark their mobikmobile
    >Now this
    Bradchads just can't stop winning

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is it weird if I can't actually tell what that is?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. It’s a crawling corpse burtn to a crisp. You don’t see the skull?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >mfw

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I just assumed that's a charred corpse, didn't even occur to me it's just some vehicle part

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        FRICK it's real

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ?si=vnDGYY2S9l9EE0Sm

    ?si=ZAkQxKnmimhUICQV
    https://youtube.com/shorts/XgOlfyeqm6g?si=_PS-iKk0IE8Pr4MQ
    Ukrainian Bulat survived 2 drones and one atgm over the course of the entire war

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    My knee is hurting,
    I'm sorry bradley

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What is this I'm sorry Bradley thing?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        lurk moar

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But nobody wants to tell me.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            people doubted the brad and were proven wrong. Now people (mostly in jest or gloating) kneel and apologize to the Bradley.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I will spoonfeed. Not complicated.
              There was a battle over doctrine in the Pentagon in the 70's. The "Reformer" faction wanted a simple, cheap, Soviet-like design turn.
              Bradley was not in line with that. Reformer faction used their ol boy network to make a whole dang movie smearing the Bradley. "The Pentagon Wars."
              It kinda stuck. Not helped by 19D's finding every reason to b***h about their ride.
              So this is the "redemption arc" played up as a joke.
              Also, people here love the TV show "Sharpe." They use stills of the character Jebediah getting upbraided and being compelled to shout apologies.

              Good story.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I will spoonfeed. Not complicated.
            There was a battle over doctrine in the Pentagon in the 70's. The "Reformer" faction wanted a simple, cheap, Soviet-like design turn.
            Bradley was not in line with that. Reformer faction used their ol boy network to make a whole dang movie smearing the Bradley. "The Pentagon Wars."
            It kinda stuck. Not helped by 19D's finding every reason to b***h about their ride.
            So this is the "redemption arc" played up as a joke.
            Also, people here love the TV show "Sharpe." They use stills of the character Jebediah getting upbraided and being compelled to shout apologies.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The actual redemption arc was the Gulf War where it performed admirably and that was god damn 1990. The Pentagon Wars book was published in 1993, and the HBO movie was in 1998. They god damn KNEW by then how well it performed, but the movie gained a lot of traction (the clips on youtube getting millions more), so it gained this public persona of being a terribly designed machine. The idiot Reformers and their Fighter Mafia allies have had so much god damn influence on public opinion because they've spent over 30 years b***hing to the public, and Russian and Chinese media have been amplifying their bullshit for the last 10. Yes, they were also the goofs b***hing about the F-35.

              James Burton can lick my butthole.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I just rewatched Pentagon Wars and I don’t see where people think it’s railing on the final production Bradley.
                It’s more of a satire on the Procurement and testing system that goes on in the Pentagon, which awards failing up and making projects expensive when they don’t have to be.
                Instead of determining whether they wanted an APC, or an IFV, the bureaucracy wasted lots of money creating prototypes that were either M113s or just light M60s. You can chop that down to the changes in doctrine at the time, but the switch to IFVs was already taking place in many Warsaw pact and NATO states, the DoD was just being needlessly convoluted in their procurement.
                Same thing happened with the F35 program, where the marines for some reason needed F35B aircraft with VTOL capabilities (I’m sorry crayon eaters, you’ve never proven why you need Harriers either), which made Lockheed have to make 3 wildly different variants of a 5th gen aircraft, which drove up costs.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >It’s more of a satire on the Procurement and testing system that goes on in the Pentagon, which awards failing up and making projects expensive when they don’t have to be.
                if you have a better way of designing for a future that hasn't happened yet then the business sector has a billion dollar check for you. everything from starts ups to giant corporations don't routinely spend million upon millions developing products that flop because they want to, it's just a really messy process that has a lot of inherent risks.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It isn't a parody. It was based on the book which was shit and peddled by reformers.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The problem is that your timeline of the events is wrong.
                The Marines needed a Harrier replacement, and the Air Force and Navy joined the program later to reduce costs. The F-35B doesn't exist for "some reason". It's the entire reason why the JSF program was a thing. The STOVL variant came first despite being the B one.
                Instead of having three clusterfricks, there's just one. You want to drive up costs? Have the air force, navy and marines procure their aircraft independently, and there's no partner nations involved.
                The F-35B is a core necessity of the program as it gives allied nations without catapult equipped carriers to launch a 5th gen fighter.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The F-35B is a core necessity of the program as it gives allied nations without catapult equipped carriers to launch a 5th gen fighter.
                Pretty much this. Instead of having your allies use a mediocre jet for their non-CATOBAR carriers, you can get more from your allies, while making the crayon eaters happy, by having a 5th gen harrier replacement.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The Marines needed a Harrier replacement
                The Marines also operate F-18 superhornets, something even the US Army does not get to have. They are supposed to be a naval expeditionary force, why do they need 5th generation aircraft? You can argue F-35Bs are still needed for allies and US amphibious assault ships, but they should be under the command of Naval Aviation, not the crayon eaters. It's not as if the Marines could ever fight in the South China Sea without the navy anyways, it's silly to give them their own command of a much smaller aircraft fleet.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They need 5th gens because they are the premier amphibious force on earth. No argument against having them

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Okay.
                But realistically, when are they EVER going to do an amphibious invasion without at least one carrier (more than likely three or four) around? It makes total sense to give marines CATOBAR aircraft. It doesn’t really make sense to give them a STOVL aircraft just so they can thump their chest about being able to launch half-ass air strikes from amphibs.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Pentagon Wars is great comedy, I love the development hell sequence, you can even call it satire if you don't latch on the specific program and look at it for the failings of a flawed system (still better than Russians' tho), but that's just not how it went down, it's nowhere near historically accurate.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Pentagon Wars is great comedy, I love the development hell sequence, you can even call it satire if you don't latch on the specific program and look at it for the failings of a flawed system (still better than Russians' tho), but that's just not how it went down, it's nowhere near historically accurate.

                It even fails at satire, because the development scene is supposed to be idiot higher ups changing a simple APC to a monster that won't work. But listen to what the generals want to add: TOW anti-tank missiles, a turret with a lot of optics, a 25mm chaingun. Other than amphibious abilities and porthole guns, ALL of these ideas are fantastic.

                The reformers just didn't understand or accept what an Armored Fighting Vehicle or IFV was, and Burton just saw a bad APC and a bad tank (which it is, it's neither). IFV filled a new ecological niche. Also, isn't the Stryker basically what Burton wanted for an APC except wheeled?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Also, isn't the Stryker basically what Burton wanted for an APC except wheeled?
                stryker is a strange case, since its a hybrid APC/IFV that can be either depending on the situation
                and in dragoon configuarion, its actually just an IFV, though one that trades staying power for troop capacity (156 rounds at the ready + ~200 reserve ammo vs 900 on the brad, but can carry 9 dismounts instead of 6-7)

                the true replacement for the M113 is the AMPV, a turretless bradley, so even when burton gets exactly what he wants the brad still gets the last laugh
                and AMPV is only really going to be used for not-quite-combat roles in units that would normally get the M2
                so the HQ section will ride around in the AMPV while mech platoons ride in M2s

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I just rewatched Pentagon Wars and I don’t see where people think it’s railing on the final production Bradley.
                it was literally a bad faith depiction of the development of the bradley and misunderstanding of the development criteria

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >satire on the Procurement and testing system that goes on in the Pentagon, which awards failing up and making projects expensive when they don’t have to be
                Bruh, that's literally how any project is done in the real world.
                What do you think agile development is? And yes, it's shit, but classic waterfall is even worse.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How can you improve the Bradley's armor configuration without affecting weight? Maybe some new super aluminum alloy? Is the funny looking shape of the BMP more effective? Am I moronic?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You strip down the Bradley completely, you replace the suspension system, motor and electronics with upgraded, contemporary components. You've just saved like ten tonne at least. Then apply the applique, spaced and nera armour upgrades of your choice. Done.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they're all, le israelites bro!!!
      Shut the frick up loser.

      [...]
      The shape of the BMP is to promote ricochets, there's (per type of shell) an angle at which rounds won't fuze/penetrate/etc and that shape is about the right one. I believe it also has something to do with amphibious use.

      But the shape of the two vehicles isn't particularly relevant, so much is different between them that things like the slope of the armor/etc don't really count on their own. You have to analyze it as a whole package and that's not something you can do in a post here.

      Pretty sure the shape of the BMP is because it was amphibious.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the bmp1s hull shapes down to its amphibious capabilities, and from the early cold war idea of troop carriers finally being a fully enclosed vehicle to protect against nuclear and other hazardous environments.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Guess what anon, this is a specialty that people go to college to learn. People who are paid, and esteemed by society, far more than you will ever be. I think you'd be better off complaining about that girl that thought you were ugly back when you were 13 on /misc/ or /PrepHole/.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    homie who cares

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      he does

      [...]
      Guess what anon, this is a specialty that people go to college to learn. People who are paid, and esteemed by society, far more than you will ever be. I think you'd be better off complaining about that girl that thought you were ugly back when you were 13 on /misc/ or /PrepHole/.

      Just to rub it in how fricking pathetic you are, you fricking loser:

      https://www.gd-ots.com/munitions/medium-caliber-ammunition/25mm-bushmaster/
      GD makes M792.

      https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/orbital-bags-multiple-ammunition-contracts/
      Orbital (now Northrup Grumman) makes M792.

      https://www.highergov.com/contract-opportunity/m792-high-explosive-incendiary-with-tracer-cartrid-w519tc-23-r-m792-r-0b3fa/
      Here is a literal public US government contract, open to
      >Interested U.S./Canadian firms who feel they are capable of manufacturing the above cartridge
      Soliciting offers.

      This is an entire thing, done by people smarter than you, with very rigidly controlled pricing. You are not clever, you're a pathetic little b***h and nobody cares what you have to say about this. Go and cry in your basement.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nta, but probably the one seething about something that has no impact on his life.

        yeah i just looked at his post and i think he has autism
        why would you get upset over someone misunderstanding the price of american autocannon ammunition on a web forum?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nta, but probably the one seething about something that has no impact on his life.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >ur just mad
    This meme is so old I don't have a copy of it locally so here, directly from google images.

    A factor of 10 is not almost identical.

    In military procurement it is. You know the whole concern trolling tactic about military procurement doesn't work when you're talking about fricking ammo, right?

    [...]
    i think you are confusing me with someone else. i just noticed that they probably make a lot of dough of each round.

    thats just how shit works.

    No, you're not, you fricking dumbass. You tried to do some "they're clearly corrupt and it's israeli!" shit and backed out the moment you were called on it. Get the frick off my board.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      absolutely seething

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      no i did not. PrepHole has broken your brain if you think that i did.

      i legit didnt know that each round cost that much and the manufactorers are there to make money.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's literally the difference between a hundred million or ten million shells for the same price point. Do you think the military is ordering 25mm shells couture?

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What is in BRAT exactly? ERA + NERA? Or are the modules seen unexploded ERA?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Regular Western addon armor. If I had to guess probably CLARA inspired ERA.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Dems became so degenerate and psychotic that literal genocidal dictatorial regime looks the saner alternative to a significant portion of the electorate
    stop pushing overture window so much, you would have total support otherwise
    also
    >only able to think in (gay?) sex analogies
    ironically, very Russian of you
    truly, the ass is in the ass

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    It’s not even the whole party, you’ve just got the insane and completely compromised people who fell for Q anon bullshit and now live in an alternate reality in their brains

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    westfalen

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Robust protection

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    whats its like to be a burger and see the chadley btfo commies everday?
    must be kino

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Survivability

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >no penetration
    Incredible

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So brat is just three downward angled ERA tiles overlapping?

    Huh. I wonder what effectiveness it has against tandem warheads

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >CV90 disabled by a simple rpg7
    >Bradley tanks 2 atgms
    neat

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    is this the power of NERA? Is it even NERA I don’t see any explosives in that box

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    God damn I love how the Bradley is able to shrug off 2 atgm hits like that. So damn survivable

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I shit all over the Bradley before, but damn this is cool.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder: 1/3 of all Bradleys supplied to Ukraine have been lost.
    They are quite vulnerable to ATGMs and artillery, OP's post is the exception that proves the rule.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Holy fricking based
    > The IFV remained on the move, none of the crew members were injured
    Incredible survivability

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