>the quietest, most durable 556 can is almost 40 years old and designed by a dude who’d never made a silencer
Why do modern engineers suck dick?
>the quietest, most durable 556 can is almost 40 years old and designed by a dude whod never made a silencer
the fucked up part is when you realize this applies to almost everything in existence
I am painfully aware of this anon. It really is maddening. We truly are regressing as a society.
Good things could be made, everything just has to minmax in order to make the most profit possible
is regression an active state or just a slowed rate of improvement?
same reason why we still have the ak47 and ar15 as the main service rifles for the majority of the globe
you can't perfect perfection
Only difference is the AEM5 is essentially never used anymore other than clomefags
because
Yes, no improvments have been made on those since their inception and no better rifle possibly exists
garden gnomekraine shows that artillery/air reign supreme. A grunt with a m16 from 1969 or am AK from 1957 are just as useful as some elite soldier with a scar 16
the early M16 is better than the SCAR 16
Is the M14 better than the SCAR 17?
nta but the M14 was hot garbage when it was adopted while the SCAR 17 is almost the perfect battle rifle and it came out decades later. it would be perfect if it didn't kill optics like it does so the XCR might actually be better
>muh optics
Every .308 is hard on optics this is not exclusive to the SCAR it just happened to come along when optics were becoming prevalent and still needed to work out issues and modern optics have mostly negated this issue.
That said the M14 was never bad, it was always superior to anything that came out of Europe with the only main downside being that it was expensive, like really expensive to the point no one adopted it unless they could get them for basically free. But everyone who did adopt them has stuck with them due to them being one of if not the best .308 of the time and even today it still holds up as a great rifle.
>That said the M14 was never bad, it was always superior to anything that came out of Europe with the only main downside being that it was expensive
The M14 was hot fucking garbage. The gas system was nearly impossible to manufacture to spec in a mass manufacturing setting, there were congressional hearings about receivers cracking, and in investigations most service M14s pulled from an armory had some kind of flaw.
The whole reason the M16 was adopted was because the US was planning to increase troop presence in Vietnam and McNamara & Co realized they couldn't manufacture the M14 fast enough to meet the demand.
>today it still holds up as a great rifle
Through survivorship bias or modern manufactured M1As (with the benefit of not having to fulfill an order of hundreds of thousands ASAP).
A well made M14 is a good rifle.
It couldn't be well made in 60s-70s tech at the rates a military rifle could be produced.
>That said the M14 was never bad
It didn't even last a decade as an infantry issue rifle
>it was always superior to anything that came out of Europe
the Ordinance corps rigged the testing in its favor and the FAL still tied it. The AR-10 was actually superior in every way, but it was sabotaged worse than the AR-15 was, plus Armalite was retarded and ignored Stoner about not using a composite barrel. The G3 didn't even exist at the time but pretty much everybody adopted it over the FAL once it did which shows that it's at least equal to if not superior to the M14.
even John C. Garand thought the M14 was an abomination
>muh optics... every .308 is hard on optics
AR-10s and 417s don't kill quality optics. the SCAR can and does
Preach!
>muh rigged tests
>muh sabotage
Delusions cooked up by a madman, there is absolutely 0 evidence of the AR10 being "sabotaged" just that they sent either the wrong rifle or a bad rifle because of the composite barrel. As far as it doing better that is absolutely laughable, the AR10 was far from a good rifle and even today still has issues in the 60's there was so many issues with the rifle if it miraculously passed the tests it would have been considered one of the worst service rifles in the world.
As far as the FAL was concerned it did do as well as the M14 in testing with little to no difference in the mechanics and economics of the rifles and the M14 won out because of troop familiarity and bias for an American design.
>muh sabotage... no evidence
so you're saying that the ordinance corps didn't feed the AR-10 a steady diet of proof loads? and that prior to that, it wasn't being praised for being lightweight, accurate, and reliable? I already addressed the wrong barrel issue. Armalite didn't listen to Stoner about using an all steel barrel. It ended up winning a few contracts in other nations despite the higher cost but an arms embargo on Portugal effectively killed it until the 90s when Stoner and KAC resurrected it
or are you saying that the ordinance corps never sabotaged the M16?
>M14 won out because of troop familiarity
This is the kind of thinking that makes me think that officers are genuinely drooling retards instead of just regular stupid like i know they are.
Because even if you assume the average grunt is too stupid to learn to load a different magazine the average rifle will stay in service much longer than the average grunt making that irrelevant in the long run.
(You also expect them to be able to drive any brand of car but having the safety in a slightly different position is apparently impossible to adapt to.)
>Armalite was retarded and ignored Stoner about not using a composite barrel
this in particular doomed the AR-10. 70s to 80s era US Army AR-10's would have been so fucking kino.
the Army chose the M14 even though it lost the trials, so it doesn't matter how good the AR-10 was it was doomed to fail
>Every .308 is hard on optics
The FAL isn't, surprisingly
I mean they stuck Gucci Hensoldts on them all the time in the Netherlands, and I haven't even seen a budget scope take damage on a FAL
The M14 is better than everything.
Go back to sleep gramps or I'm contacting the convalescent home staff and Tyrone will tuck you in.
At least you agree with me.
it looks better but no
Scar is the country girl that while pretty, is no supermodel. She grew up roughing it with the boys and has hobbies of her own with has a fun personality. She wants to settle down and pop out some SCAR16s. . .
M14 is the Instagram thot that is hot as hell, but has no personality, hobbies, or redeeming factors other than looking like their hot milf mom. She probably has an STD.
scar 17 is poopoo peepee
m14 not better
Let me guess, you think the HK416 is revolutionary and the AK-107 is the best of its class?
They jam a little less often and have rails.
WOWWWWW
make a better one
>Implying companies want to pay engineers or production workers enough to actually make good stuff
They believe it's more profitable to push money into marketing than actually making a good or innovative product, because they can still sell it. Nobody's trying to make the best anything, everyone only wants to make the most profitable thing.
Get fucked commie. Go jerk off in /uhg/
>If you don't worship businesses and don't believe they're perfect angels, you're a commie
You've got brainrot and willfully blind to what businessmen themselves outright tell you. They are legally obligated to try to make the most profit possible for shareholders, and that rarely means making the absolute best product.
wait until you realize this simple fact about society and life: everything is actually quite simple, and has been deliberately obfuscated.
The moment you ask for an opinion, help, approval, or affirmation is the moment you fuck up. You are a grown ass adult, just get out there and start doing things. Read and learn, test carefully, then execute.
>You are a grown ass adult, just get out there and start doing things. Read and learn, test carefully, then execute.
Oh yea anon just needs to make his own silencers, his own car, his own water heater, his own fucking shipping system. Things are fucked anon and theres no saving it.
t. man that has not made 99% of the shit he uses in his day to day
Awful requirements made by clueless bureaucrats.
its like a 9" long fuckheavy monstrosity, of course its quiet. This is not remotely helpful when you're still firing a supersonic rifle round, which is why this archaic design (and the upper it was designed around) haven't seen use in over 10 years
>upper designed around it
Retarded gay the OG m4 cans were designed in the late 80s to fulfill some military contract. It wasn’t even called the AEM5. It had one more baffle and a slightly different mounting system. Also it’s not that much longer than a RC2
Because it locks into a collar further down the barrel you get back some of that length. Plus it affects point of impact way less because of that as well
over-barrel is pretty much standard for european hunting-cans, it's just the US that's not really fond of it for some reason.
European hunting isn’t equal to combat you cuck.
Closer to combat than bubba shooting at trash in an ill-fitting PC and flip flops will ever be
You ever worked with engineers? They're more concerned with feeling smarter than you than anything else.
this. engineers will over complicate literally everything just to stoke their ego. I've seen jd tractor hood latches go from a single stamped metal lever a a single spring to a contraption with two transfer bars two springs and six cast plastic pieces. for what? just so the engineer can go "look what I can do! see aren't I so clever?"
Adorable
t. Engineer
You ever solve the Dirac equation?
Maybe the desk inhabiting ones.
The ones who think going out in the field is attending a meeting in one of the temporary trailers at the work site.
Agreed, real engineers know how to make a choo choo train go chug-chug, they toot the whistle and wear the hat and they don't make a fuss about it
>haha I'll just make up something directly out of my asshole and get all dem ebin reactions!
>old good new bad!!
>testing? owning any cans myself? hahaha oh I'd never haha
yeah
I own one and yes it is the quietest 556 can on the market.
>but 556 sucks suppressed anyway
>556 sucks suppressed
Maybe out of an AR, a suppressed bolt gun is pure bliss.
Maybe. For me personally i have no interest in shooting a bolt action 556.
Fair enough, I like them for varmints but most AR's could fit that role just fine.
>I own one and yes it is the quietest 556 can on the market.
Post decibel readings 0.15m off the shooter's ear lol. Also post size, weight and back pressure.
>be google for me
I hate zoomers so much.
>make utterly unbacked assertion
>do you have a single fact to back that up
>UHHHH JUST GOOGLE HURR
>DO NOT QUESTION MY DELICATE FEELS ABOOBOO
yeah
gay look it up yourself
I want the bottom one. Give me the specs and all the parts and it'll be my next build project.
Not that anon but it's basically just a M110 SASS
It's a MK12 mod 1
You're about 5 years late to the clone game, everything is retardedly expensive now
In 2015 i was getting KAC rails for like $200, now they're selling for $1k
>1k
Are you on crack, they are at the very most $500 new from a scalper while most go for ~$300.
KAC shit is overpriced but only retards would spend that much on them.
I just bought a kac rail for 1400. Sold it the day I got it for 1900
Stop being poor grandpa.
>overpaying for something is a good thing
You are paying more than double the MSRP of KAC rails and if you want to be retarded go ahead.
notice how he didn't say that it being expensive is a good thing, only accurate
It’s almost as if you don’t understand the concepts of scarcity or collecting.
>collecting an item that is still made
Ok lol, I get it KAC isn't selling them to civies right now but they are still being made and they make a lot of them. MSRP on them is $400 and retards who spend triple that because of FOMO can continue to be retarded.
I get you can make money off of scamming retards this way but that is moron shit.
>making money is moron shit
Wow you're so right comrade. Also KAC isn't making them at all now. They haven't stopped production officially yet it's not actively being made
Making money by ripping people off is moron shit yes.
death to scalpers, the most moronish of behaviors
I fucking hate being a zoomer. Cheap mosins started drying up just as began starting my collection. $400+shipping back in 2016. And now that I've graduated college and have the money to afford nicer things...the ship sailed on clones before I even entered college.
Would I be considered a madman for jumping on this and making an approximate mk12? $1.7k isn't cheap.
Yes. Missing the rail and barrel. Needs to be FF
>mod 0 chambered in 6ARC
Looks like shit.
retard
jesus christ anon just get a PRI upper for the same price if you want a MK 12
also
>SPR with a front sight block
missing the mk12 rail. the rail alone will go for $1200 - IF you're even able to find one for sale
good luck.
>$1200
Have you seen them recently? I haven’t seen one under 1500
>556 sucks suppressed anyway
what could this even mean?
Based as fuck rifles, anon. These + a classic SVD are my dream long guns as an ausfag
I (had) a svd too.
Unfortunately all these guns and the guns in the other pic (other than the mk12) have been sold within the past 3 months. My wife and I had another kid and she is staying home with them so I sold off a substantial part of my collection and bought another rental property. It hurt to sell them all but I think it’s the smarter move long term.
I'm sad to hear that, anon. Hope you can at least get a few of them back one day, that FNC and Galil are beautiful too.
Only poors sell their guns. Stop overspending
Bruh moment
>but I think it’s the smarter move long term.
In 3 years I’ll have grossed an equal amount to what I sold.
because trying to make the most quiet suppressor for a round that is always going to have a crack is stupid.
>Why do modern engineers suck dick?
They're working within design parameters established by retarded managers. Chief among these is
>make it some fucking weird shape that doesn't look like anyone could make it
>best if it requires a big 5-axis CNC mill
>then make up some technical mumbo jumbo about how it works
>[spits dip into mountain dew bottle]
For me it's the RC2
The AR is nearly 70 years old sweaty.
>sweety
Do you fucks intentionally misspell this word? Genuinely curious.
genuine question how old are you
I'm as old as my glock, which is 19.
The AEM5 is definitely the most aesthetic of all 556 cans.
>quietest
Nah, step aside gen-x fucking shits
The AEM5 is definitely the most aesthetic of all 556 cans.
Griffin armament made a similar design recently, but idk if it’s been tested in comparison. Otter creak labs also recreated the aem5 and I believe it’s supposed to perform better. The original design basically has the most internal volume which is hard to beat without increasing size on already large can.
Would just get the otter creek one instead for the weight. But if you're getting Ti might as well buy thunderbeast
AB raptor 8 with reflex is quieter I think . But that’s even funnier because it uses a 130 year old maxim baffle design
>Why do modern engineers suck dick?
because you let them
retard take by brainlet
>doesn’t refute him
I just like it.
Nice pug
Is it true that the silencer on the Mk12 significantly tightens the MOA? I'd guess that it would be reducing the barrel harmonics and giving the projectile some free bore boost.
arent there anymore lawnmower cans on ebay/amazon/minecraft?
>asking for a friend
There are. There was also a licensed dealer that was about to make a video reviewing the "oil filters" etc. Can't recall who it was tho
want to get some lawnmower parts to yurop
But in many countries in yurop you can buy them without any licenses or paperwork though ?
>Why do modern engineers suck dick?
Because if you actually know anything about engineers you'll know that they religiously follow this maxim that says "if it ain't broke don't fix it"
Because all you young guys are fucking pussy bitches!! Most of you wear women panties and are the most Non masculine generation yet. Your ancestors weep at what a waste of flesh most of you are. Fucking babies for the most part.
You're mad you don't have a gang of young muscle shirts buffing your cock.
See above.
flow-through and low back pressure cans are the future.
You can't gym and suck gatekeeper dick to smart up a better design.
What scope is that???