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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Only ever use 1x or 3x

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    LPVOs make good general-purpose optics but are still inferior to red dots and holographic sights in close quarters and they're inferior to actual scopes at range

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like a skill issue

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. It is. It's a lack of training. And that's a BAD thing.
        Weapons you plan to defend yourself with should be moron proof.
        LPVOs are awesome for target shooting. But the one time I actually grabbed my rifle ready to shoot someone, it was night time, my dot wasn't turned on, and the eye relief of the scope totally fricked me. Thankfully I didn't need to shoot.
        Eye relief even at 1 power sucks compared to a proper red dot. Crosshairs are useless at night.
        Give me a dot I can leave on for 6 months and forget about for a real world application.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        you will hyperfocus under heavy pressure(especially firefights), getting tunnelvision and shit. that happens to everyone including the most trained seals.
        that’s why many professionals still prefer a simple, small red dot so they can at least try to counter the tunnel vision and pay attention to your surroundings.
        LPVOs on the other hand further encourage the tunnel vision

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I think for civilians, beyond practice, there's much more useful practical stuff in terms of shifting the odds. The most likely place you'd ever have a "firefight" with a rifle vs a handgun would be your own home/property right? That's the big differentiator for military/attackers vs home defenders, attackers have to be generalists ready to deal with anything and going in with lots of unknowns, the defender can be a specialist who knows his own house/land really well and that's it. So you can practice and set up lines of fire such that you are indeed shooting down a "tunnel" at home invaders, and tunnel vision is fine, because you know all possible lines of approach and have acted ahead of time to make some untenable and fakeouts on cover and such. You know your land like the back of your hand, where hides are, good cover spots and places for plunging fire or where thorny places hard to get through are etc etc. You're also free to ignore logistics, weight considerations and so on on the defense. You can set up remote cameras, motion sensors, alarms, remote operated lighting and so on in advance. Attacker has to make up for all that with vastly more overall skill/training/equipment/intel gathering.

          Also lasers/lights are underrated for HD, with pressure remote under your grip so merely by holding the rifle at all you're ready. Blind attacker and shoot at the glowing dot that is right on them. Zero the laser for 10-15yd (do you even have longer distances inside at all?).

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >LPVOs make good general-purpose optics
      Exactly. That’s why your “go to” rifle should have one. They are pretty good in almost all situations.
      >but are still inferior to red dots and holographic sights in close quarters
      This is true. However basically none of us are room clearing, so it doesn’t matter. For HD, you should know the layout of your home and be posting up so you can live with a little worse performance. At those ranges snap shooting without aiming works.

      Also, if you are clearing rooms or if you really want a red dot (or a shorter barrel) for home defense just get a separate upper. They aren’t that expensive.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        honestly I wouldnt have just one rifle for everything, what I use for home defense/bedside gun is built for that and has a red dot, because red dots are better for it an im not shooting some dude 100+ yards away in my house, maybe if you have a lot of property (like farm/ranch owner kind of property). no general purpose rifle I will say that LVPO is the better option but I still prefer more rugged options.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          meant
          >now for general purpose rifle

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >For HD, you should know the layout of your home and be posting up
        Which means going and gathering the people you want to protect, for those who have them.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No it just means I know where to wall bang when the rapists, looters, Black folk, and gubbmint come through

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Not necessarily. All my bedrooms are on the top floor. I can post up at the top of the stairs. Same with a ton of houses

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >however basically none of us are room clearing,
        home defense is the single most probable case of ever using a rifle against another human as a civilian. 200+ yard shots against an aggressor as a civilian are pure LARP fantasy.
        Deal with it.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This is true but my weapon of choice for home defense is a shotgun. If I am using my rifle it is probably defending against an aggression coming from outside the house. But probably no 200 yard shots yes.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Anon there is a concept of “recreational shooting” that some people enjoy. Also are you so bad of a shot that at 5 yard you have to have a red dot? Sounds like a skill issue

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Just put SBR uppers on your gun whenever you feel like it, dude

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        For me it's the EOkek + magnifier combo.
        I can take off the magnifier when I don't need it and save weight vs always having the LPVO on.

        Has there ever been a self defense shooting with a rifle at a range beyond 100 yards? Especially one that resulted in a kill? I feel like unless you are in a rural area with a based sheriff, or you just don't tell anyone, you would be so fricked shooting someone at any kind of distance where an LPVO or scope would be useful. DAs will call people cold-blooded murderers for shooting someone 20 ft away that has a gun

        The 2nd amendment wasn't created for self defense Black person.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why would I room clear? RC cars and mini drones with ricin are way easier my guy. Rules of engagement are for moronic homosexuals.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Because you live in a house with rooms, and that's the most likely scenario that involves you shooting at someone with a rifle? Describing it as "room clearing" is disingenuous, you're going to post up on your bedroom door and blow someone away when they enter your hallway. I'm sorry, you will not be sniping at people from six hundred yards.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >inferior to actual scopes at range
      They are actual scopes.
      Personally, I only use prisms, worst of all worlds but they're perfect.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Worst? Weird take

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      watch any combat footage and you notice no one actually aims in CQB, they just do braced hipfire

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Acog with rmr top mounted still undefeated.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I'm thinking of just going with a TA01NSN with top-mounted P2 and calling it a day. Even in my LARP fantasies, I doubt I'll ever take a shot past 500 or a No-fail shot past 250.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >still inferior to red dots and holographic sights in close quarters
      Point shooting maxxing

      >they're inferior to actual scopes at range
      Target identification & reducing those that don't have them to wielding PDWs thanks to the significant standoff distance for effective fire > larp precision shooting replacement of dedicated snipers.

      Might even pay for themselves reducing that 70k+ small arms rounds expenditure per enemy KIA inflicted.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why should I get an LPVO when I could get a red dot or holographic with a 3/5x multiplier?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      red dot and a tripler is a great combo for out to 300 yards. lpvo is a good thing to use for 1-300 and enables the rifle to pushed out further.
      t. lpvo user

      https://i.imgur.com/71fTt9S.jpg

      I'm no guns and never shot so i'm not asking for personal reasons just out of interest.
      If you have an LPVO, would you mount an offset red dot or iron sights for quick close up shots, or maybe if you have to quickly react to a close threat while you are zoomed all the way in and a target suddenly appears?
      Or do you just use the LPVO at 1x for close ranges and point shoot if you would have to react to something quickly and don't have enough time to adjust, even with a throw lever?

      I've tried an lpvo+t2 stack. the height over bore on the red dot is a bit much without an aggressively close zero (25 yards). 45 degree dots can give you problems when rounding corners and the more you actually run around with your rifle, the more obnoxious it is to have some random thing hanging off at 45 degrees.
      I can think of no situation where you will be at max magnification and have to 'quickly react'.
      there's no perfect optic, there are always give and takes. I like an lpvo on a general use rifle but it is inferior at closer ranges for a few reasons: limited field of view when looking through the optic and sloppier transitions due to being sucked into the optic.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I tried a red dot and a 3x magnifier doing timed exercises scored for accuracy. I ended up getting rid of the magnifier and just using the red dot.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          magnifiers are underwhelming. surprisingly little magnification, terrible eye box on just about all of them (except for the g33), most people have no idea how to use them and have impact shifts b/c they don't adjust them. I had a h2/3x-c combo way back when and I kinda hated it.you really have to question why you are buying your rifle. for most people, a t2 is 100% what they need. I'm building mine for ultimate Appalachian insurgent larp so lpvo is the way to go.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >most people have no idea how to use them and have impact shifts b/c they don't adjust them.
            no, no one is stupid enough to not simply adjust the dot to center of the magnifier. I don't believe it.

            The rest of what you said is true, except the G33 sucks ass too. It just sucks less.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              NTA but I looked through a used AR15 at cabelas with red dot and magnifier (because I've never seen one before) and it was super off center kek.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Has 12in AR
        >puts lvpo on it
        Holy moron.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >brand new unused gear
        every time

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/BuRmAZr.jpg

        >reticle MIGHT match up with your bullet. but probably won't.
        [...]
        size
        people underestimate the size of mpvo's. 2in. longer. double the objective diameter.
        [...]
        >acog's are good
        >oh let me add a red dot on it too
        >red dots are good
        >oh let me add a magnifier to it too
        [...]
        this is not true

        KAC uppers on LMT lowers, (or maybe they're LWRC?)... Is this the meta nowadays?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          LMT is just KAC, but better

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm just waiting for a company to come along and take all the best features across the various brands and combine them into one model, though patents of course make that difficult, and I don't we'd really ever see a "collaboration" or whatever.
            I prefer ADM's ambi controls over LWRC/LMT's styles, but the ADM uppers are really nothing special in regards to bolt and carrier, gas system, or so on.
            Besides, people like me love buzzwords, but thankfully I feel like I can generally sniff out snake oil, or if that's too harsh, just things that seem a little "over the top", like that one AR brand that talks about harmonic qualities of their barrel being in line with the fluting and it allows for less vibration into the upper lessening malfunctions or whatever it was. I get those concepts more or less individually, but if I can find it, I'll post it, was a funny watch with the word salad this guy was making, kek.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >running irons
    >at my thousand yard range
    I got too wienery boys

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >scopelets at the PRS range

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Scopes only improve upon existing skill, but if you can't shoot accurately with just irons, you should learn to do that first.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Why not learn to shoot accurately with a scope first then learn to do irons later?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            assuming this question isn't rhetorical and you're actually asking, there is no reason. Scopes are far better for teaching fundamentals despite what luddite morons will say.

            With the magnification you can immediately see and correct problems. Same as using a red dot on a pistol it provides instant feedback on what is wrong.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You misspelled ACOG, but yeah.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Cringe

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Not cringe.
        >light weight, clear glass, better field of view than LPVOs, reticle matches up with your bullet

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >reticle MIGHT match up with your bullet. but probably won't.

          LPVOs are inherently flawed.
          MPVOs are inherently based.
          Why choose a 1-10x when you can have a 2-14x?
          The 1x on a LPVO is going to be objectively worse than a piggybacked or offset red dot, and the 10x is going to be objectively worse than an MPVO equivalent.

          size
          people underestimate the size of mpvo's. 2in. longer. double the objective diameter.

          >LPVOs are so good
          >oh let me add a red dot on it too
          Redundant 1x capability while having to deal with all the compromises of an LPVO. Get an ACOG or a 2.5-10 then.

          >acog's are good
          >oh let me add a red dot on it too
          >red dots are good
          >oh let me add a magnifier to it too

          watch any combat footage and you notice no one actually aims in CQB, they just do braced hipfire

          this is not true

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Bubba'd up wannabe dmr
            >A nightforce on a sbr
            >to top it off it's 5.56, a round that shoots so flat in it's lethal range that anything beyond 4x is moronic
            Your lack of grip or bipod with no wear on the shell deflector tells everyone exactly how much we should value your opinions.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      the gunlets optic of choice

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Let’s see yours

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      ACOG is still the king

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Weird way to spell elcan but ok
        (I like acogs too)

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          ELCANs are really nice, love mine

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >no video game gets this right

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Feels bad that games either zoom in so much that the chevron is a big red dot like a eotech or they portray it as some small fov 3-4x abomination. When will we get a game that shows us the super clear and wide as hell field of view that is hard to beat with anything under $3k. Even the super high quality proof of concept games get it wrong.

        watch any combat footage and you notice no one actually aims in CQB, they just do braced hipfire

        The ol point shooting is vital in a high stress situation but everyone always assumes that they'll only be in situations where they're engaging others in a dmr range instead of the chaos that is modern combat where anything can happen, also highlights the beauty of the ACOG which was made to be snap shotted at enemies while remaining accurate with the BAC technique

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The perfect general-purpose optic.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm no guns and never shot so i'm not asking for personal reasons just out of interest.
    If you have an LPVO, would you mount an offset red dot or iron sights for quick close up shots, or maybe if you have to quickly react to a close threat while you are zoomed all the way in and a target suddenly appears?
    Or do you just use the LPVO at 1x for close ranges and point shoot if you would have to react to something quickly and don't have enough time to adjust, even with a throw lever?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Competition shooters use an offset red dot and an lpvo. It makes no sense to change the scope magnification during a course.

      In combat there are different roles so riflemen will carry a max 3-4x magnification and point fire indoors and have a designated marksman with higher power magnification.

      If it were me LPVO + offset dot is superior for individual defense.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Why not run a fixed power with an offset dot if your just going to leave it on one power? It is simpler, lighter, more durable, and cheaper to have better glass (ex swfa 6x). Lpvo makes no sense in any situation outside maybe a law enforcement officers patrol rifle where he leaves it on 1x 99 but has the option to dial up if he has to deal with a mass shooter on a roof top or take a position outside a building. Even still, an elcan or acog/rmr is still going to beat that.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          6x all the time is too much for most situations but it would work for a mountain terrain. Pretty much a DMR at that point. An LPVO can allow you to work in the mountains or in urban environments seamlessly

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          because the average gun consoomer buys whatever instagram and gun forums peddles to them. LPVO + red dot exists because people who were issued an LPVO suddenly had access to micro optics and offset mounts and . It's cheaper and less involved to add an offset dot than it is to go through the process of requisitioning (or proposing the requisition of) a new optic and mount. Anyone slapping the two together now is either LARPing, wasting money, or both.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Lpvo makes no sense in any situation outside maybe a law enforcement officers patrol rifle where he leaves it on 1x 99 but has the option to dial up if he has to deal with a mass shooter on a roof top or take a position outside a building.
          NTA but hunting. LPVO or slightly higher variable optics are great for that. But offset dot seems quicker instead of having to dick with magnification in stressful and quick situations whereas offset dot lets you have 1x and 4x (or other magnification) both ready to go at the same time. Of course if you're just doing things because "X says to" then it's plain and simple moronation (or you're just doing it because cool new thing which is fine if your life doesn't depend on it and you have the money). I know we're talking about defensive use here mostly but just my two cents.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            offset/stacked dot IS quicker, but unless you are future proofing for passive nods (which is kind of a meme) I'm not sure its worth the price.

            What are some good inexpensive lpvo? I have a utg 3x flip to side I swap between 2 ars and it works well enough but ive had it get loose a few times when firing quickly. I have difficulty seeing targets well enough when they're at any distance so just using red dots it's very doable for me

            how inexpensive?
            you can find 1-6 gen2 razors on gafs for $900 or less regularly.
            you can also nab primary arms plx 1-8's for ~$1100.
            if you want cheaper than that, try out some of primary arms $450 offerings.
            never used them but people seem to think they are great bang for the buck.

            >still inferior to red dots and holographic sights in close quarters
            Point shooting maxxing

            >they're inferior to actual scopes at range
            Target identification & reducing those that don't have them to wielding PDWs thanks to the significant standoff distance for effective fire > larp precision shooting replacement of dedicated snipers.

            Might even pay for themselves reducing that 70k+ small arms rounds expenditure per enemy KIA inflicted.

            >Point shooting maxxing
            >bro just shoot and something without getting a sight picture
            stop saying this.

            >still inferior to red dots and holographic sights in close quarters
            Point shooting maxxing

            >they're inferior to actual scopes at range
            Target identification & reducing those that don't have them to wielding PDWs thanks to the significant standoff distance for effective fire > larp precision shooting replacement of dedicated snipers.

            Might even pay for themselves reducing that 70k+ small arms rounds expenditure per enemy KIA inflicted.

            >Target identification & reducing those that don't have them to wielding PDWs thanks to the significant standoff distance for effective fire
            you're really not going to PID something further than 400 yards with 8x magnification, and even that will be iffy - even with great lpvo's.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >try out some of primary arms $450 offering
              I guess I'll give those a look. I don't really out too much money into my guns, my best optic is a holosun on my ar pistol. Maybe should just get a fixed scope for my 16" ar as those seemed cheaper and just keep the 3x side flip on the other but variable would be nice. Have a friend that got a some like <$100 variable scope for a little 22lr plinker rifle but not sure that would keep accuracy at all on a real rifle

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                a major drawback to lpvo's is that decent ones are going to run you $1500 and good ones will be over $2500. a cheaper primary arms will give you an idea of if you like the idea or not and want to save for something better. there are plenty of youtube videos w/ scope cams to let you know what you are in for and can/can't expect.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What exactly is the difference between lpvo and just a normal variable scope?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                lpvos offer a useable 1x but with some drawbacks
                good lpvos offer daylight/nuclear bright red dots (but with a relatively poor battery life)
                lpvos have a smaller footprint and usually less weight
                lpvos don't have a parallax adjustment - but tbh its not necessary for the ranges you will be using an lpvo in.
                cheaper lpvos will have less refined adjustments (.25 rad instead of .1), might not have locking turrets, other goodies that 'real' scopes have.
                imo, lpvos only have a place on 556 guns and make shorter guns legit 400 yard rifles - assuming you have a good barrel. they are usable at 1x, especially higher end models, but you are sucked into the scope and your transitions can be fast but will likely be sloppy due to your eye not leading your gun to the target. you also are going to be prone to tunnel visioning using a scope as a 1x.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Ah okay that explains a lot, thanks for all that info. For my use probably not really worth getting. If I really still want the 1x I can just get an angle attachment for the dot I have but probably only need higher zooms for the one rifle.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Serious 2-gun users just use a dot and MAYBE a magnifier if the course is big enough. LPVO's are just a boat anchor for what will end up being used as a fixed power anyways.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >If you have an LPVO, would you mount an offset red dot or iron sights for quick close up shots, or maybe if you have to quickly react to a close threat while you are zoomed all the way in and a target suddenly appears?
      It mostly depends on preference. I don’t have one because I keep it on 1x until I go outside. It’s good enough for me. The weight and cost isnt worth it to me. If I was a soldier or expected to clear house or something I’d probably piggyback or offset a red dot. A 1x LPVO is still better than irons and people used those forever. It’s better than a 4x ACOG at close range too.

      For your answer about getting surprised when it’s on high magnification, that’s a valid question. I don’t see situations where you’d be out in the open and need it at 6-8x and then also have someone get so close you can’t aim zoomed in. At 15-20 yards that magnification isn’t really a problem (even if slower). At 5 yards where it would be really blurry you can just point shoot. I don’t see a 10-15 yard gunfight happening when you already had it cranked up to max magnification. Again just my opinion. Personal choices vary a lot.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      There's a guy on youtube who hunts with a buddy who has an LVPO (or maybe a 3-9x) and an offset red dot for hunting coyotes. Scoped shots are long enough that you can fiddle with it zoom while the red dot is "it's less than 30 feet away holy shit". Works pretty well.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Here, I found it. Now I don't even own a modern red dot so take my opinion with a grain of salt but really, get an LPVO or a 3-9x scope and see how that works for you first, then think about offsets if you REALLY want one. https://youtu.be/evnaHAILHjk?t=166

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It honestly really depends on what you're using your rifle for. I have mine set up for plinking and the occasional 3gun match. Most of the time at my local matches you can just point shoot the stuff under 25 yards so I have no need for an offset dot. My optic is a P4XI so anything past 25 l can just keep it on 1x and for something difficult like a hostage target I can just dial it up to 4x and do fine.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >If you have an LPVO, would you mount an offset red dot or iron sights for quick close up shots, or
      No you would not. Anything too close for the lpvo don't need sights and are aimed by natural pointing.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I keep mine on 1x, and adjust it if I need to.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It’s an Amazon brand only $129 wat?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >It’s an Amazon brand only $129 wat?
      bullshit OP's scope is 129

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Has there ever been a self defense shooting with a rifle at a range beyond 100 yards? Especially one that resulted in a kill? I feel like unless you are in a rural area with a based sheriff, or you just don't tell anyone, you would be so fricked shooting someone at any kind of distance where an LPVO or scope would be useful. DAs will call people cold-blooded murderers for shooting someone 20 ft away that has a gun

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Has there ever been a self defense shooting with a rifle at a range beyond 100 yards?
      I think there was like, one case, in modern history. Or maybe 2-3, the one I'm thinking of was some mexican guy who knew cartel were coming for him and decided to go down fighting, holed up with a bunch of rifles and started firing right off. IIRC he died, though he did take down an impressive number with him.

      Even taking into account police snipers though 100+yd shots are ultra rare in America, and like 99+% are <20yd, and ~96% <10yd. So no pure larp.

      Of course, hunting can absolutely take place at 200-300yd in some areas. And then there's nothing inherently wrong with wanting a gun for use from 0-650yd just in terms of fun and sporting not just hd and hunting. LPVO might be an ok choice. For people with shit eyes an etched reticle and combined zoom might be preferable to a holo or rds with a flipmag too.

      But for whatever reason it gets constantly, massively overpushed by gays like OP. LPVOs have major downsides.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Tresspasses on cracker's land
      >A cracker tells him to leave
      >Chink proceeds to hollers to the other crackers to harrasses him off the property
      >Cracker fires a shot for who knows why
      >Chink a former SOF in the us military returns fire
      Rest is history, down to the ridicously blatant unfair trial and disappearance of evidence showcasing a blatant firefight

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        anon whether or not him getting shot at first happened like he claimed, doesn't change the fact that he executed people that were incapacitated

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Dead checking is part of his training. He did the right thing.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >anon whether or not him getting shot at first happened like he claimed, doesn't change the fact that he executed people that were incapacitated
            Don't start none, won't be none. Hmong man did the right thing

            >not leaving someone's property when you're armed and getting into a screaming match is the right thing
            Too bad he didn't get shot. Fricking idiot.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Both sides fricked around and found out alright, bug eye frick was just the better shot despite being in a 1v8
              White people can't shoot for shit

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >1v8
                Only one person in the group was armed. And we know the trespasser shot first because he had the time to take the fricking scope off his gun before shooting.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Honest white guy died of guilt months after the trial ended. His testimony matches the chink's about who shot first and it was consistent unlike the dude who got everyone else killed by shooting at some grizzled war veteran

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Is that what they told you on r/asianmasculinity? Dude was poaching on some people's land for like the fifth time. A group of them showed up to tell him to frick off. Dude calmly takes off his scope, shoots the one armed person and slaughters the rest while they're running, then executes most of the survivors. He did it because he was angry, not afraid for his life. It is the most clear cut murder possible.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >anon whether or not him getting shot at first happened like he claimed, doesn't change the fact that he executed people that were incapacitated
          Don't start none, won't be none. Hmong man did the right thing

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        what case is this

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Tree rat murders

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        People can be very reckless and irresponsible with firearms. All of this could have been resolved without firearms in a friendly manner.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        > Former sof

        Wasnt he a national guard infantryman?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Are you incapable of describing situations without involving identity politics

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Go back to r/aznidentity chang

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          why do you even know a fricking subreddit with less than 60 thousand members. great way to prove that YOU are the redditor. nice job, anon.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Has there ever been a self defense shooting with a rifle at a range beyond 100 yards? Especially one that resulted in a kill?
      The longest recorded legal shot that hit another person in the civilian world that I'm aware of was a police sniper shot taken at 187 yards (and it should be noted that the average shot for them is only 51 yards). More recently there was a case of a cop taking a 183 yard shot with a rifle from his patrol car in Tacoma Washington, so shots like these aren't exclusively the domain of police snipers, but cases are still exceedingly rare.
      https://www.policemag.com/339408/swat-snipers

      The Longest legal recorded shots that didn't hit were the people laying down suppressing fire at Charles Whitman in 1966 so the cops could get to the tower he was shooting from, but realistically all they had to do was hit the broad side of a tower which is completely possible with a handgun.

      After that, the longest mutual shooting I'm aware of where both parties were actively shooting at each other was the North Hollywood shootout that had shots fired out to 117 yards, and I am aware of another case that involve exchanging shots at 71 yards (the Fairchild AFB shooting), but both of those cases involved police officers doing things to draw significant attention to themselves from people who were already shooting (standing next to police cruisers with flashing lights in the North Hollywood shootout when the robbers had already fired shots inside the bank, and directly yelling at someone doing a mass shooting in the Fairchild AFB shooting).

      So really, unless you just happen to be there when someone starts shooting people a ways away from where you are, you're going to be extremely hard pressed to ever find a situation where you can legally shoot someone even outside of normal handgun ranges.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Interesting info.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >More recently there was a case of a cop taking a 183 yard shot with a rifle from his patrol car in Tacoma Washington, so shots like these aren't exclusively the domain of police snipers, but cases are still exceedingly rare.
        You forgot to mention that cop was just using a red dot without any magnification.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Guns don't exist just for home defense and the 1x on an LPVO is fine for that. Even before we get into the second amendment argument, lots of people will use their ARs to hunt pigs or coyotes.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Do you even own one? I do and I think your statement is bullshit. They're good for certain rifles, builds, and specific uses, and bad for others.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >The only optic you'll ever need is an LPVO.
    >DEBATE OVER!
    Posted scope pic....
    Reticle in 2nd Focal Plane Garbage.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing wrong with SFP, scopelet. Don't be salty that you got israeliteed out of an extra 20% for a reticle that actually hinders you at the sub-100 meter range you ever actually fired at.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >having a red dot hinders you
        idk m8 seems fine to me

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        SFP cope

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      FFP is junk on 1X - you can't see the illuminated reticle in the scope shadow which kills any Bindon aiming you might try close up.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >I used a chinese LPVO once and let me tell you all about FFP

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Unless you're just illuminating the second focal plane, I'm not really sure how you get around it.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You can't passive aim with it using NVGs, dead on arrival.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Just fight in the daytime homie LMAO
      Theys a whole sun up there homie and its free LMAOOOOOOO
      homies really be out here tryna roll up on somebody in the dark LOL
      Racoon ass mfs fr

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      offset dot moron

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >LPVOs are so good
        >oh let me add a red dot on it too
        Redundant 1x capability while having to deal with all the compromises of an LPVO. Get an ACOG or a 2.5-10 then.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Nodlets illy be wild out here

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This. If you don't have NV. You aren't serious. And if you think you can get away with active aiming with IR lasers today, you're fooling yourself
      Magnified optics give you all the flexibility you need out to 300 yards. And the best part is that you can remove the magnifier from your rifle once you realize that you don't need it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You have never and will never engage in a gunfight at night.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Literally every time (2) I have pointed a gun at someone has been at night.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            And neither time did they have night vision. You could have passive aimed so hard you seared their goddamn retinas off with a full power PEQ and they wouldn't know it.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >And neither time did they have night vision.
              Yeah. But we are about to enter the age of sub $1000 dollar night vision. By 2030 nogs will be rocking nods with their switched glocks and blasting anything that looks like a laser.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Nah. Nogs will sear eachothers retinas and continue not leaving cities.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                why are Black folk always some looming threat that invalidates people's opinions except yours?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Black folk always some looming threat
                Because they are

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >posting crime statistics after the slightly provocation
                how droll.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >posting crime statistics after the slightly [sic] provocation
                >how droll
                You're either new here or don't know what droll means because there's nothing odd about posting crime statistics here. Whimsical–maybe

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No argument, huh? Better luck next time kiddo.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What the frick? Anon, why the frick would blacks be anywhere dark enough to need NODs? They all hang around populated areas that are kept well lit enough because normal people don't like needing to carry around their own illumination.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                NODs work best in the city where ambient lighting is present, but not direct. If you take your quality NODs and drive to a city park, you will be amazed at how much better everything looks than at a farm in the middle of nowhere on a moonless night.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >you'll be amazed at how much better everything looks when you use NODs in areas where you can already see well with a standard eyeballs due to the large amount of normal ambient light than areas where you can't see shit without NODs
                Really?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I'll put it this way. Whe the airmed helicopter comes in for a landing at our well-lit hospital, he still uses nods.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >doood the area where the helicopter needs to land at the hospital and people need to work is so poorly lit that he needs NODs to park
                Do the people who come out to get whoever just got airlifted in also wear NODs so that they can get the patient into the hospital without dropping them?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No. But they often use flashlights

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Night vision is literally just getting more expensive.

                You have never and will never engage in a gunfight at night.

                Nods provide a multitude of use cases outside of shooting guns at night however if you're going to have them then you might as well have an IR device on your general purpose rifle, and if you are running an IR on your GP rifle then you mgiht as well run an EOkek w/ magnifier, at least over an LPVO.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        mfw cool stuff like IR lasers are illegal in my country

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    LPVOs are inherently flawed.
    MPVOs are inherently based.
    Why choose a 1-10x when you can have a 2-14x?
    The 1x on a LPVO is going to be objectively worse than a piggybacked or offset red dot, and the 10x is going to be objectively worse than an MPVO equivalent.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The 1x is amazing on even cheap lpvos now with the relatively new sig and burris options. You've clearly never shot one, or you're garbage.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >ohh the 1x is soo amazing and literally good
        Is it better than a red dot? No? Frick off.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          What if I told you some LPVOs have a built-in red dot?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I would tell you that they don't function like red dots.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >The 1x is amazing on even cheap lpvos now with the relatively new sig and burris options. You've clearly never shot one, or you're garbage.
        Oh come on. Pic related is my Burris RT-6 at 1x. It's neither a true 1x, nor is it red-dot bright. It has some parallax too, but that's only noticeable indoors really.
        Is it usable? Absolutely. Is it amazing? Frick no.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >It's neither a true 1x,
          Oh no it’s a 1.05x. How will we ever recover?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          For $370 or whatever it is (just what I see in one place right now) honestly that does indeed look great? I mean sure, there is a touch of aberration around the edges, maybe it's 1.046x instead of 1x, it's not a $2k level of glass, but for that cheap and with 2-6x mag on top that looks excellent honestly.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >skeletor

          https://i.imgur.com/bZG80wO.jpg

          >having a red dot hinders you
          idk m8 seems fine to me

          fatty

          this thread is cringe. get some irons and get good

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >just add 4 extra pounds to your home defense rifle bro
      I'm not poor enough that I only have one rifle.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If you load 338, 300, 50 BMG, you can start shooting a mile out and over. Even 308 can shoot 1,000 yards, urban sniping like in this photo is often at ranged like 100 yards. However, even with a scope or variable optic, you can mount a red dot for close range aiming. That way you can protect yourself at close range.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >is often at ranges* like 100 yards.
      Law enforcement using Remington 700s often

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Upvoted

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      return to preddit

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Redditors love LPVOs

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >if you like LPVOs you are a RACIST!

          This is what you chud suckers sound like to any sane individual. Sad.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >unironically calls people "chud"
            Reddit is calling

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous
              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                (You)

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >you like LPVOs you are a RACIST!
            Huh that is true

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    red dot+magnifier is more useful

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    MORE DOTS
    MORE DOTS
    OK
    SOTP DOTS

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >not choosing the best optic

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Here's a REAL setup, LPVOtard

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >he uses 2nd focal plane

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What's wrong with SFP?

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >magnified optic without adjustable focus
    If something is so far away I need magnification to see it clearly it's far enough away that I want parallax adjustment unless the person who manufactured the scope was really good at guessing the one distance I'd always be shooting at.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    okay but what about Night Vision

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      stop larping

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't like the reticles they all seem to have I'd much prefer an ACOG style reticle, even then with a variable optic you probably want a FFP reticle with mil sub tensions so you can always reliably range targets and adjust hold overs no matter your zoom setting

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The LPVO is the official anti-troony optic.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >lpvo
      >offset dot
      cringe
      just use an acog+dot

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >my personality is my troony-hate folder

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >>my personality is my troony-hate
        Wasted 888 trips

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Why are you so defensive against troony hate?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Have you considered that people are sick of hearing about trannies all the time, and people bringing them up when they're entirely off topic?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Have you considered that people are sick of hearing about trannies all the time
            The ironing

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Trannies are now slaughtering your children in school, yet people talking about it is the problem? Ok homosexual.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    idk ive taken my lpvo out to 700 yds no problem i just like it bros

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    still buying an acog

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What are some good inexpensive lpvo? I have a utg 3x flip to side I swap between 2 ars and it works well enough but ive had it get loose a few times when firing quickly. I have difficulty seeing targets well enough when they're at any distance so just using red dots it's very doable for me

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