The Only Modern Western MBT that Was Never destroyed in combat

You may not like it but this is how peak performance look like

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    the only winning move is not to play

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I remember this from Napoleon Total War

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm willing to bet that sounds better in Italian

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm willing to bet that sounds better in Italian

        Never heard of this proverb in my entire life.

        But I will leave you with an Italian proverb about ww1

        In tempo di guerra ogni buco è trincea

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          skill issue,

          I'm willing to bet that sounds better in Italian

          in italian it says, translating back and forth more literally: "the best bulletproof (vest) is to stay away from bullets" or something on this note

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm more inclined to
            >A man shoots and the good God carries the bullets

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          If there’s a hole there’s a goal

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why did Italy go with Leo 2s in the end? It's always sad to see domestic vehicles get the shaft.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because we will only have 125 ariete at the end, and starting a new line with upgrades would be more expensive than ordering a new mbt from germany.

      We also wanted to enter in the new german mbt program so we have to pay some cash

      Now, the only thing I hope is that they are gonna include something to counter those cheap drones with an rpg munition on it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Now, the only thing I hope is that they are gonna include something to counter those cheap drones with an rpg munition on it.
        like a some sort of cage?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tanks are kiddie pool stuff. The big ticket item going forward is going to be next gen aircraft which will be domestic.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What make you say that? What aircraft has italian company made?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Combat_Air_Programme

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >20% involvement

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >asspull statistic

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Reuters said it; take it up with them

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Generous estimate. 3 country, the other two showed prototyping efforts, so italy has 1 in 5 parts.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >next gen aircraft which will be domestic
        Hahahahahahahah
        Ahahahahahahaahahahaha
        HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They wanted to join the Leo 2 replacer program with Sweeden and Spain but they need some experience with actual Leos first. Hey look on the bright side, that program looks to actually integrate every member's specialties so it'll likely have some hints of Ariete in it.

      Because we will only have 125 ariete at the end, and starting a new line with upgrades would be more expensive than ordering a new mbt from germany.

      We also wanted to enter in the new german mbt program so we have to pay some cash

      Now, the only thing I hope is that they are gonna include something to counter those cheap drones with an rpg munition on it.

      The L2E modernization program is looking to include Spain's licence built Iron Fist modules, plus they've tested on it Escribano's Guardian 2 RCWs too, and there's also the cheaper option of the Eurotrophy. So unless your leaders decide to be REAL cheapstakes, the Leo2s have already proven capable of handling the full array of active protection systems out there.
      Personally I think the RCW is just based af. (Its not just a machinegun, the turret can handle from 50cal all the way to a 40mm autocannon, and airburst autocannons wreck the hell out of drones, helicopters and infantry. Its beautiful!) But most consider it overkill, hence even the L2E eventually going for the iron fist instead.
      Either way, it wouldn't be for lack of options. L2 are very customizable.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because it's totally fine to give the most cancerous tumour of the continent's history logistical control over your tank divisions and prop up their economy so they can call you racists in parliament.
      It's just easier this way. Sweden had the right idea by buying the right to make their own version. Everyone else just buying it straight from Germany is retarded.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The Only Modern Western MBT that Was Never deployed in combat
    FTFY welcome

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Type 74
    Type 90
    Type 10

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Do not forget the Arjun sir

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    DUCE DUCE DUCE DUCE

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    serious question

    what's the point of Italy's army?
    they dont have to protect from land invaders, they dont do any power projection abroad, not even small scale, they dont use it, I mean you still need one just in case otherwise you're defenseless and the peaceful environment can change with time but still whastill acts Italy's armys doctrine for existing and what's Italy's geopolitics?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You missed the period of Cold War Anon (and even the balcan wars were kinda scary here).

      We had a border with Yugoslavia, (aka mini soviet union) things were quite intense till they imploded due to their diversity being their greatest streght.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I know that but I mean in the current moment not 35 years ago

        >what's Italy's army doctrine
        defend the country.
        they have next to no real power projection capability.

        the Navy and Air Force have the job of making sure Italy's islands stay Italian. The Mediterranean is more or less a NATO lake now anyway so they don't exactly have the most difficult job in the world to defend it if the balloon goes up.

        my fear is that if I join, assuming they take me, I'll go and do nothing because of that

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Do some basic research - how active has the Italian Army been in the last 10 years, where have they deployed, in what numbers, what did they do there?

          Buck the fuck up anon. If I were interviewing a candidate for any job, not just the army, I'd ask what you've found out about the company's activities. Barest minimum you ought to have skimmed the media page on the company website.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I did that that's why I'm saying what I'm saying

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >what's Italy's army doctrine
      defend the country.
      they have next to no real power projection capability.

      the Navy and Air Force have the job of making sure Italy's islands stay Italian. The Mediterranean is more or less a NATO lake now anyway so they don't exactly have the most difficult job in the world to defend it if the balloon goes up.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        We have more power projection than 95% of the rest of the world. Our Navy is pretty good and even our Air Force is not bad too. Considering that we don't have any offshore territories to protect like France and the UK we are fine. Our only job is to shut down the Mediterranean if SHTF, which is something we can do especially with the help of Spain and France. That being said are key objectives pretty much fall in line with the ones of the other members of NATO and the EU. We need to keep the sea routes open from the Persian Gulf to the Gulf of Guinea. We have historically underfunded our Army but hopefully we will turn this situation around in the not too distant future. Considering we are mainly a naval power things are not bad

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >We have more power projection than 95% of the rest of the world
          There are about 10 or 11 major countries with militaries that could wipe any of the other 180 or so countries in the world, so yes that is technically true
          however there's no point talking about the rest of the Coppa Italia; we are only concerned with the Serie A so to speak
          >we don't have any offshore territories to protect like France and the UK we are fine. Our only job is to shut down the Mediterranean
          that is what I said
          >which is something we can do especially with the help of Spain and France
          unless Turkey turns traitor there isn't much opposition in the Med anyway
          like I said, NATO lake
          >We need to keep the sea routes open from the Persian Gulf to the Gulf of Guinea
          through the Med? like I said, who from?

          The Italian Armed Forces need a light expeditionary capability to remain relevant. Talk of guarding the Mediterranean is like talk of guarding the Alps or the Pyrenees; there is no relevant enemy, and therefore no relevant mission.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Doesn't Italy have like 90 F35s? I'd say your airforce is already top 10 in the world easy.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They have a hundred Eurofighter Typhoons direly in need of upgrading, sixty Panavia Tornados and until recently fifteen Harriers for the Navy; sixty F-35As and a dozen-plus F-35Bs are being acquired to replace the latter two types

            there is talk of expanding the F-35B fleet but no orders put in yet last I checked

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the Navy and Air Force have the job of making sure Italy's islands stay Italian.
        They seem to be doing a shitty job.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's like a big leopard 1 with composite armor and a 120mm.
    The ready rack has an armored bin, but the rounds don't appear to be isolated from each other, might be a bit explodey if it gets hit.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The ready rack has an armored bin
      Ah yes the armoured ready rack of...
      Rounds clipped to the turret basket just like Leo 1

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Another picture of the incredibly armored ready rack.
        The things people make up to make their shitty favorite tank slightly less shit

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why does it look sorta like a challenger?

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