“It’s more difficult to fight in cold, damp and muddy conditions. But the fighting will continue. The counter-offensive will continue,” said Budanov, head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.
He admitted that now the offensive of the Ukrainian troops is slower than he wanted,
and in general, he called the situation with the attacking actions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces difficult.
Makes sense honestly, while you can't really do massive armored maneuvers during mud season, what you can do is smaller scale infantry based assaults, infiltration tactics. Something that Ukraine's switched over to almost immediately.
massive armor maneuvers have been proven to be massive failures so far anyway. they should stick to what they do best.
The artillery slugfest will likely grind on with continuing supply of western shells ramping up and successively longer ranged ballistic missiles being put to work for the Ukrainians.
It remains to be seen if Russian production of artillery and shells will be up to the task of keeping pace.
>The artillery slugfest will likely grind on with continuing supply of western shells ramping up
The west is literally running out of shells to give them.
>and successively longer ranged ballistic missiles being put to work for the Ukrainians.
While they are using these missiles to good effect I think people are massively overestimating how many of them Ukraine is being given. They are very, very far from unlimited.
The west is Russian out of nothing. The 'west' is so economically massive compared to Russia and has such a vast manufacturing capacity I can tell your educational textbook told you Russia mattered a shit in the world when it has an economy the size of fucking Holland and shrinking,
Are you saying that a country that did a miscount and we have actually more weaponry than ever is running out of shells? You reek of curry
>The west is literally running out of shells to give them.
The West is restarting ammunition lines to produce more shells to give. That's how production works and Russia is in the same boat having to make as many shells as possible while also buying from North Korea and everywhere else that they can.
>Same boat
Until the Russian arms factories start having accidents.
It is the same as "Russia is running out of ammo" which is true, but they're not going to be truly out because they'll shoot less artillery (bad for them) to match their production.
With Russia's idiotic fixation on counterattacking? They'll burn through what ammo they have that much faster. They continue to sacrifice defender's advantage.
The west is pumping their enormous supplies of cluster shells into ukraine because they had to dispose of them due to stupid treaties.
Thanks vatniks for helping us dispose of the shells, it was really expensive to dismantle them, (from one of the unsuspecting european countries with the biggest tstock).
>The west is literally running out of shells to give them.
LMAO, Rheinmetall alone is literally producing more shells for Ukraine now than the entire russian arms industry can produce for their own army.
>They are very, very far from unlimited.
LMAO, same thing the Nazis said ca. 1942.
Correct, I don't know why Vatniks believe that Autumn will save them
I think a lot of people are still operating under the assumption that the Southern Front is an armoured campaign, because looking as the maps, it's perfect of tank combat with flat terrain and little cover. But that doesn't take into account the massive trench lines and mine fields which are making thunder runs impossible at the moment.
We basically have Bakhmut being played out again on a massive scale, with the infantry and the arty being a lot more important than the armoured elements until they break through them.
Do Russians have the capability of digging in behind the frontlines again? Maybe spam another giant minefield and make the fabled third defense line actually be real?
I'm afraid of the whole rest of the war just being a slow push 100 meters at a time while Russians literally mine every meter all the way back to their own border
They are going to have to start making these lines in the sea before too long. Maybe the VDV have already started
I'm talking about them retreating east after Ukraine cuts off supplies to the land connection
If Ukraine cuts access across the sea it is game over for Russians. Whole of Kherson and Crimea will collapse as the bridge now can be hit indiscriminately. With Crimea lost then Putin is fucked. He knows this and that's why they aren't exercising defence in depth, because there is no depth and they can't afford to lose any more ground.
Seems unlikely that a retreat after the Russian supplies being cut off will be orderly.
Will probably look more like Kyiv front.
They will again be put in a position between military reality and political necessity. They can't abandon the territory but they can't hold it either.
Since the Russian MoD seems to have reasserted itself with the assassination of Prigozhin, whomever happens to be in charge of holding the line by the time supplies run short will probably throw everything and everyone they possibly can into defending even if it is obviously futile.
The Russian personnel and material losses have the potential to be absolutely fantatstic.
They could do that but the image hit from losing crimea would be massive. It would end any idea that this war is winnable for them or beneficial, as well as the idea that all they have to do is wait for the west to get bored. Basically in a purely military sense they can hold out there for a while, but geopolitically having traded crimea for the poorest region of Ukraine, given up access to the Black Sea, and the historical vacation spot for the country in exchange for some slowly diminishing corner of farmland is an obviously terrible trade. And with that much blood in the water there is zero chance that the western world doesn’t give Ukraine everything it needs to drive them out completely even if it takes another year or two.
Considering that Ukraine’s advanced like 3 miles in 4 months I’m guessing it will be awhile
We already have satellite footage of anti tank ditches and fortifications being built behind verbove
>verbove
How far behind? Circle is Robotown, Verbove is roughly where the X is. If the Ukrainians can take the higher ground around Tokmak...
South will definitely be a slugfest, not a slightest idea what can be done against Crimea besides sieging it, but still it has to be captured at one point. As for the eastern front, going around the defensive lines through russian territories may be the way to go.
crimea is a matter of time if ukraine cuts the front in two simply because all you need to do is blow the bridge up and anyone in crimea is a sitting duck waiting for the papers of surrender to be written.
that's the problem with defending crimea geographically.
In the south theres only so fsr back you can go until youre trying to construct a defensive line in the sea
They do, but how many more mines do they have?
Probably a lot. Doesnt even matter if just 1% really work
>Do Russians have the capability of digging in behind the frontlines again?
Yes absolutely. In fact they are already digging some new trenchlines few km behind the LOC. As for the mines I have no idea but I'm pretty sure there has to huge stockpiles of them from USSR times.
Brave and powerful. I hope the all female divisions they are sending will finally make a difference. Also Europe has to send back all male Ukrainians, including POC and transvestites.
North Korea should be invaded by America or otherwise they will provide Russia with 20.000.000 shells every 3 months that Ukrainians will have to catch by hand. That’s a bad thing btw.
It'd be funnier and more effective to just outbid the Russians and send the artillery shells to the Ukies instead. The only way the Russians could compete would be to drag China into a bidding war for second-rate Nork munitions.
Then the Russians could sell their women to the Chinks for shells because that's the only thing Russia has going for it anymore after the Ruble started to move at right angles.
Our army of strong at any size Latinxes and transwomen will shine when they fight hand to hand in the cold, mountainous terrain of North Korea. I definitely hope we do conquer NK with them to aid to protect freedom and provide our democracy to Ukraine.
Look at you 4chan posting like a fuckinng retard while a dictator invades a neighbour and kills a quarter million of his own people for nothing and unleashes a wave of mass murder rape and kidnapping. Then then is fucking you, posting about trannies. You worthless little retard spastic. Working for the kremlin discord/telegram like a gud boy because you are that fucking lonely its the only place anyone says hello to you. Now you have you're name on a list and will get a bullet for being a propagandist for a murdering dictator who regularly threatens nuclear war. You fucking moron.Ha fucking ha.
>female divisions
Don't ecist outside your rape fantasies.
>Europe has to send back all male Ukrainians
My country refused to do so for example so I'm not sure what's your point.
>including POC and transvestites.
Well those were never exempted from draft. How many nogs live in Ukriane anyway. I mean if anything it was Russia who is importing some x-stanis from central asia since soviet times.
>zigger not even pretending Russia can win the war anymore and admitting the best case scenario is dragging it out for a few more years
Sad!
Daily reminder that Ukraine has already liberated the majority of the land area taken by Russia in the 2022 invasion.
Dicksucker! Make sure you wash your knees after your down with Russia you gay
Seems doubtful. Mud will immobilize everything, including infantry. He's just saying this because knowing there's deadline beyond which further efforts will stop is terrible for morale. They chose the intelligence chief to make this statement so that it won't go back and bite the ass of an actual combat officer who matters.
I thought the south of Ukraine was more arid and terrain less likely to turn into the Rasputitsia we saw in the east and north, which was how Russians actually managed to make headway there at the start of the conflict in Feb-March of '22. The same should hold true for the Ukies now pushing towards the Black Sea
>I thought the south of Ukraine was more arid and terrain
it is, people think that second largest country in Europe had completely uniform climate
>New industries are being created
Holy shit, entirely new industries. Based around meat cubes no doubt
Since this isn't a real war why doesn't NATO just take part in the special military operation as a peacekeeping force and push the Russians back to the border until we can settle this dispute peacefully with diplomacy?
Great question. I’ve asked this MANY times of PrepHole and haven’t received a SINGLE response.
this thing is in some kind of weird limbo where "it's definitely not a war."This is a brother war that needs to end." And, "we are at war with all of NATO and still winning," are all simultaneously true in the zigger's mind, depending on what's most convenient, regardless of objective reality
The best part: all of those kind of opinions can exist simultaneously in a single thread and the vatniks will not engage with each other or debate it with each other, it's only always about pestering others with it.
Because Russians have nukes. Thats the only reason.
Russia is nothing without nukes. Its forces would be wrecked and the leftover surviving equipment handed out to Ukraine like party favors.
Because ever since the Russians got the bomb, every nation on earth has been bending over backwards to avoid a scenario where soldiers of two nuclear armed nations are shooting at each other, because that will lead to nuclear war.
If you wanna avoid getting invaded, you gotta either have nukes, or be in a reliable alliance (so not CSTO) with someone else who does.
highfleet has incredible amount of soul but all that russian imperial bullshit is an instant turnoff for me
It's basically Dunecore but more Afghan than Arabian.
That's not actually true. You can avoid being invaded by having good mutually beneficial relations with your neighbours and major powers and being somewhat likeable. Its not hard.
>In January 2023, McDonald's closed its restaurants in Kazakhstan, believed to be due to supply issues, with it's restaurants later rebranded to MyOtkryty
The entire SMO in Ukraine is a genius feint to make Russia appear weak before the real attack. Once it starts they will be in Munich in 2 weeks.
I know this is bait, but it provides the perfect excuse to discuss the graph I posted here
showing a comparison between the Russian Ruble and the Chinese Yuan.
I don't understand economics enough to know if that's more or less fucked than what's happening with the Indian Rupee.
You know it doesn't sound very impressive when you make it seem like Russia has easy mode potential of growth (and none of the things you mentioned is stuff that only showed up yesterday) and them doing nothing with it. You make it sound like Russia should be strong as EU+China+US combined, but instead they just shoot up crocodile and prison rape each other.
All you are saying is that Russians are too dumb to make something when given all the advantages.
Russians are like Africans in that they squander their wealth of natural resources then blame their poverty and squalor on Europeans
I think people just gave the Mud a legendary status just like the Russian Winter.
Not sure what adjustments need to be made or can be made for muddy weather.
Well admittedly, putting a piece of meat between two pieces of bun is one area Russia truly excels at.
The region a round robotyne is very sandy, always had problems with crops drying out in the summer as the ground doesn't retain water. It won't get boggy except in some limited areas.
t. Knower
goddam this is what he said couple of days ago common historylegends w
Buy an ad fag
Fuck off, cunt. And you said Utkin was identified by his "Nordic" tattoos. Nordic my ass, that guy had so many Nazi tattoos when he burnt to a crisp in the crash all they found was overcooked schnitzel.
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who else feeling comfy seeing all the zigger posters scuttling in and out like cockroaches
>anyone else feel good when someone else decides what they can and can't see?
No, what kind of Reddit attitude is that?
>doesn't know about PrepHole x
I can see all the dead posts perfectly fine, my newfriend. Not that these posts are enriching in particular.
cutting down russian artillery will still be the most important aspect of the counteroffensive imo, since emplacement batteries is the biggest roadblock to the operation next to thr vast minefields.
Ukraine is turning into a repeat of WW1 which is already playing out with the crawling advances, endless artillery duels and mass minefields. I suspect eventually the Ukrainian advance will reach a natural end point in which both sides entrench themselves for this winter. The question is then who starts the first attack in 2024, this year it was Russia which fizzled out in a few weeks. I wonder if theyll be wary of repeating that again due to how costly it is to attack. Ukraine similarly has seen its currently much easier to remain defensive than commit units to frontal assaults.
>Ukraine is turning into a repeat of WW1
Its not. Casualties are not nearly as high (France actually had a smaller population in 1914 than Ukraine) and both sides are fighting using small unit tactics. There are no mass waves of infantry and massive preparatory artillery barrages. Just the Battle of the Somme alone caused more casualties than the past year and a half in Ukraine combined.
Going by the fact that artillery is the most important factor you can call it Napoleonic as well.
>crawling advances
>little real territorial change
>mass daily artillery duels
>inability to properly manoeuvre cavalry units (tanks instead of horses this time)
While there arent the mass slaughters like Verdun or the Somme its still the best comparison. Id say this is especially true for the Russian performance (or lack of) in both wars.
WW1 Russia was nothing short of an utter embarrassment saved only by Austrias and the Ottomams equally embarrassing levels of incompetence. Its supply lines and logistics were almost non-existent. The Russian army was consistently short on artillery shells, motorises transports and even boots for its infantry (funny how 100 years later thats been repeated). They had hoped to be supplied via the Baltic and Black Sea but both were effectively closed off by the Germans and Ottomans so Archangelsk was the next available port to the front.
Russian command was fractured by personal agendas, corruption and infighting particularly between the minister of war Sukhomlilov and Duke Nicholas (cousin of the Tsar). Sukhomilov was hilariously corrupt and a large reason why Russian supplies were so shit as he totally neglected supply while Nicholas was actually at the frontlines. Sukhomilov was eventually ousted and hanged with the whole scandal doing more damage than any of the Rasputin scandals.
Tanenberg was the start of their issues, the total annihilation of the 2nd Army, the suicide of General Samsanov and the subsequent mauling of the 1st and 10th Armies at Mansurian meant they lost the bulk of their loyal officers, experienced troops and a ton of equipmemt (seem familiar).
For loss comparisons:
Tanenberg - German 8th Army - total strength 150,000
Russian 2nd Army - total strength 230,000
German losses: 13,000 with 1700 killed and 11,000 wounded or missing
Russian losses - 78,000 killed or wounded, 92,000 captured
>crawling advances
>little real territorial change
>mass daily artillery duels
>inability to properly manoeuvre cavalry units (tanks instead of horses this time)
This was all happening in world war 2, Korean war, Iraq-Iranian war and probably other examples as well. We're just at the stage of the war where attrition and inability to replace material loses comes into play and the front will start moving again once it does.
>For loss comparisons:
>Tanenberg
That was a single battle that lasted maybe a week. It also contradictory as "WW1 style war" is always thought of in the context of the western front, with trenches and small territorial changes with much greater number of men, artillery and materiel per km of front than in the east.
The war in the east was much more fluid. The infrastructure was not as advanced and the forces aligned were inevitably more spread out as well as unable to concentrate and react as quickly as in the west.
Eastern Europe suffers from increased emigration and decreasing population, to various degrees depending on the country, this includes Russia, while western Europe and the west in general have a growing population due to immigration.
Uhhh, you realize that Putin is the same height, right?
because it gives ziggers massive brain schisms.
how can there exist a reality in which russia is winning by slowly ceding ground to it's much weaker, smaller neighbour, when it's supposed to be a superpower.
https://www.agriculture.com/russian-farm-minister-says-fuel-shortages-threaten-harvest-and-sowing-7965972
Russian Agriculture Minister Dmitry Patrushev said on Wednesday that fuel shortages threaten to disrupt autumn harvesting and sowing and urged a suspension of petroleum product exports, Interfax news agency reported.
Russia, one of the world's biggest oil producers, has faced shortages of fuel crucial for gathering the harvest in some parts of its southern breadbasket and the situation may get worse in coming months, according to market sources.
Traders said the fuel market has been hit by a combination of factors including maintenance at oil refineries, bottlenecks on railways and the weakness of the rouble, which incentivizes fuel exports.
"We already have problems with the availability (of fuel). We will now stop harvesting, and we will not sow winter crops. It will be a disaster," he was quoted as telling the joint session of parliament's monitoring and agriculture committees.
"Maybe it's time to temporarily stop exports of oil products until we stabilise the situation on the domestic market."
...how the fuck is Russia running out of fuel?!
They can't harvest their grain? They can't sow winter crops? WHAT? Did nobody think of having a little bit of fuel in storage for the autumn harvest?
You think Russian pumps and refineries used locally made machines? That’s all under sanctions.
>sanctions
They’re evading sanctions. Basically a bunch of Western countries lost Russian business and it all moved to various other countries in the Baltics, China & SE Asia, etc. Most if not all of the sanctioned goods are being supplied by suppliers in countries who don’t enforce the sanctions. That is why the Russian industry seems to be going full throttle.
>That is why the Russian industry seems to be going full throttle.
Is that why Gazprom has a 92% loss of revenue?
Russian industry is going full throttle. The Russian energy sector has been hit severely with the loss of their biggest European customers — but high prices (thanks to Saudi and Russia continuing to cut production) and a big increase of Chinese state imports have kept it afloat for the time being.
>industry
>raw resource extraction
pick one
Industry is going full blast from what we see. Their energy sector is NOT, being one of the world’s largest exporters of energy losing much of their export customers. There’s no contradiction.
>That is why the Russian industry seems to be going full throttle.
Pic related is the Russian industry going full throttle.
Yes, even obsolete vehicles in mothballs are being modded for use. Every aspect of their industry has been going up. Maybe civilian automobile manufacturers are struggling but they’re probably full of military orders (ie trucks, railway products, engines, etc). Just guessing of course.
>Maybe civilian automobile manufacturers are struggling
>production down by 98% according to Russian state
yeah, "struggling" hehe
Yes I’m aware that Russia’s civilian automotive industry was crushed by all the Western companies that fled Russia, leaving their factories empty and the market severely short on parts. Apparently just a little while ago Chinese auto manufacturers have flooded in and are rapidly filling the industry, it’ll be interesting to see what happens with that. Also something I wasn’t aware of is how the Russians are taking the empty factories and granting them to Russian automakers. Eg: Renault left Russia and transferred their factory to the Russian government for 1 Ruble (lol) and, eventually, they granted it to a Russian automaker Avtovaz building the brand "Moskvich", picrel. It’s supposedly an old Soviet-era brand that they’re re-launching.
>Chinese auto manufacturers have flooded in and are rapidly filling the industry
>for 1 Ruble (lol)
the russian industry is worthless and you're laughing...
I don’t have any attachment or emotional investment in this topic. It’s funny that Renault simply gave the factory away for 1 Ruble.
>I don’t have any attachment or emotional investment in this topic.
that's a weird disclaimer to make here but ok
russian factories being scrap tier is NOT a funny matter
That was a response to a statement, ie, I have no emotional attachment to the topic so I may find Renault selling their factory to the Russian government for 1 Ruble to be funny. The employees of that factory nor Renault having lost said factory for nothing and losing the Russian market wouldn’t find it funny — but they’re invested in the topic and I’m not.
very peculiar that you're doubling down and feel the need to explain your previous disclaimer but ok
russian factories losing any value they had in such a short time is simply not something to make fun of
It was a response to your statement, not a disclaimer. The factory which lost all its value was a French factory; Russia subsequently used the free factory and returned some value to it — for Russia. I found that a little amusing.
>The factory which lost all its value was a French factory
you're a fucking idiot and not as good at playing semantics as you think.
You’re disproving your own assertion. And it’s not semantics. Renault, a French company, opened a factory in Russia. They built vehicles for sale in Russia (and maybe for others). Western companies left Russia en-mass in a form of collective business strike in response to the invasion of Ukraine, and Renault was one of them. They closed their factory and abandoned their Russian revenue, selling the factory to the Russian government for 1 Ruble — fully divesting from the Russia. The factory used to generate a net profit for Renault, then it generated nothing at all for anyone. Russia gave it to a Russian automaker who proceeded to make cars with it. The French factory built by a French company was given to Russia who turned it into revenue for a Russian company. I found that funny.
The only French factories are in France you idiot.
I didn't expect a disclaimer to a disclaimer but whatever
it's sad (not funny) that even foreign investments' value craters in russia, but really, 1 euro of value will not cut it even for those poor souls
I have no emotional investment in the topic so I found the irony of a French company harming itself to the ultimate benefit of a Russian company for the purpose of a protest against Russia to be funny. Don’t you? Are you invested in this topic somehow?
I see you keep disclaimerposting, one might assume it's very important to you for some reason, food for thought
I don't find the post-war devastation of the russian industry funny, I though my previous posts made that clear
>see? automotive industries are blooming!
meanwhile
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/lada-granta-classic-22-revealed-poverty-spec-model-doesn-t-even-have-airbags-191405.html
Yes I remember that story from last year. The Russian automotive industry was heavily occupied by Western companies and when they all left Russia and shutting down their factories it was a crushing blow to their domestic manufacturers who relied on Western manufacturers’ parts.
The Chinese production happening in Russia is almost all knock-down kits. They basically just bolt the doors back on and paste on a Russian brand badge.
>should our glorious full throtle industry produce BMPT Terminator for glorious russian army?
>nyet mtlb with world war 2 manually aimed naval gun and no stabilization
Shit like this is done when your industry is unable to produce actual replacements and systems capable of filling gaps in capability. Russian "Full blast" means very little as well. The share of world manufacturing that is within Russia is pitiful. Individual EU states such as France, Italy and the UK control a larger share. Germany alone something like 4x as much, forget about the rest of the EU and NATO + western aligned states that jointly control the vast majority of the worlds markets, exports, imports, financial institutions, etc. It takes a few % of that to not only negate whatever Russia is doing it but dwarf it by a considerable margin.
No one claimed Russian industry is competitive with major European countries. In some areas they do lead the world such as tanks. Even though Russia is about 1% of the world’s industrial output (probably up by a little now) they’ve inherited the largest tank factory in the world from the USSR.
They're not producing large number of new tanks hence older and older makes and models are being pressed in service. How many Armatas were built? They originally ordered over 2k of them back in 2015. Where are they? Okay, how about T-90's? How many of those were built in Russia in the last 30 years? Where are they? They are forced to refurbish existing tanks stocks and cannibalize for parts. Russian depots are running out of vehicles, as per satellite footage, and production can't keep up with losses. A loss rate of 1 tank per day is already unsustainable for them when they can maybe build 200 annually. They lost 10 years of production within a year.
And do you really believe the machinery, the trained personnel and the supply of parts still exists to ramp up production to cold war era levels in Russia? Not only are they lacking half the other parts of the USSR but their manufacturing output is, especially heavy industry, nowhere near soviet levels. Consider the fact the USSR and its sphere contained more than 10% of the world economy and itself was the second largest economy in the world. Russia Today is 3% and ranks 8th which puts them barely 4th in Europe.
Russians really fucked up on this one and now the two strongest economies, as well as other major world economies, are directly and overtly backing their enemy. Politically, economically and militarily they are overmatched. Its over and it was never a fair fight to begin with.
They’re claiming to be getting 1000 T-90Ms for the year with their factory going full shifts 24/7. Even if that is 100% true that still wouldn’t come close to covering their losses so it’s obvious they’ll keep pulling as much as they can from mothballs. I have no idea what their actual production rate is but it is a fact that they have the largest tank factory in the world and that they’ve evaded sanctions on key components so there’s no reason why they couldn’t be on maximum output (whatever that is).
Russia is a free market country, no one is in charge of distributing fuel. Buyers have to pay market prices and the market can be distorted by many factors — such as a war and heavy sanctions. I’m sure the government will intervene and subsidize the farmers if the situation is actually that bad.
Gazprom is in charge of distributing fuel as well, its part of its job as the state owned fuel supplier. The entire reason a company like Gazprom is state owned is for the sake of supplying the state with fuel and keeping it under the control of the Russian people. In theory.
>Gazprom is state owned
Its supposed to be owned by shareholders. Dropping that pretence?
Russia is a communist nation. 75% of the economy is state owned again now. Putin fucked it completely.
>russia breaking all its economic flexibility and sinking back into the realm of the planned economy to stop itself from detonating
>this will fucking gut its ability to compete and make the economy even more unreliable and fragile
>Russia is a communist nation.
Watch out, ziggers will call you a "bitter cold war boomer" if you point out that their KGB-led nation is communist.
Yes, and the vast majority of its shares is owned by the Russian state, who appoints politicians as its directors. The majority of the owned shares is managed by the Federal Agency for State Property Management, a RU federal government agency whose job is to administer federal state property. Other government-owned shares are owned by other fully state-owned gas companies.
Only in the minds and words of the scum, worthless bottom feeder trash that work in media, news and politics does the USSR go from the premier communist state and organism in history to a free market economy and liberal state a mere 30 years later. Not a single country in history would ever go through such a transformation in 30 years.
Isnt Estonia pretty liberal already?
Byt in general the point stands
>fuel shortages threaten to disrupt autumn harvesting and sowing
Good grief. I remember this part of Red Storm Rising.
it's a well known fact that ziggers delete their own posts to look like victims and make jannies look bad. That being said, fuck jannies (of every board but PrepHole, holy shit PrepHole-jannies based af, let alone for making you seethe you dirty zigzag)
>holy shit PrepHole-jannies based af
Nah fuck them. They kept deleting threads when Priggy did the funny.
his PMC is a bunch of cuckolded bootlickers however, instantly submitting to the guy who killed their leader, not even declaring a holy vodka jihad against the znfidels
I never thought I'd see the day where there was somebody so hated that jannies get called based in comparison
>1 year, 6 months, 2 weeks, 4 days
>3 day Special military Operation
You are here
Stop thinking in terms of distance, think in amount of ziggers killed.
They never get it. They think that I care about dollars spent or miles taken. In reality the math is simple.
Money+Time+Zigger tendencies=Total Zigger Death
What ever needs to be fed into the left side of the to equal the right.
>vatniks
>projection
name a more iconic duo
>so... the victory in war isn't determined by strategy, industrial capacity, amount of natural resources, population size etc. it's determined by who holds the village of rabotino
Apparently so, because Russia should have the advantage in all of those, yet did several very successful counterattacks to retake Robotnik
Currently the battle for this village is the single largest battle so far in the entire war, everything because behind is Tokmak the only stable supply route for the entire south, lossing tokmak would result in the entire frontline collapsing which would furthermore result in Russia not only loosing Melitopol by also loosing the rest of Kherson and parts of Crimea, it's not a big place but it is the most significant point in the entire frontline
Yeah, I am sure that any Russia mother will be happy to hear her son killed himself on the front after being terminally injured by something he didn't even see so that some gnomish oligarch can buy the field on which he died on.
What a morally just war this one is!
What did Ukraine retake between August and December? Was that when they pushed the ziggers out of Kherson?
Sorry I'm really bad at remembering this timeline
Kherson + Izum
Thank you. Feels like that was longer ago but I suppose it's been 9 months by now
What's the news on the flooded areas after Russia blew up the dam? Are they crossable yet?
I'm pro-Ukraine, dunno how you could even interpret my post otherwise
>What's the news on the flooded areas after Russia blew up the dam? Are they crossable yet?
yes
That's just across from Kherson, where they landed smol forces pretty much all year. I'm talking about upriver, where the whole land got washed away
At this rate, when will the Russian invasion of Ukraine end in the Russian victory? Is giving up territory, losing initiative, being forced into defensive battles and relying on Iranian and North Korean arms some sort of convoluted 4D Russian masterplan?
How it started
>Russia controlled 27% of Ukraine if the pre invasion territories of the Donbass and Crimea are included
How its going
>Russia controls 18% of Ukraine if the pre invasion territories of the Donbass and Crimea are included
>1 year, 6 months, 2 weeks and 4 days later of the Russian 3-day special military operation in Ukraine.
You are here
Your figures are absurdly off, I don’t think they’ve ever controlled more than 1/5th of Ukraine. They haven’t lost any of the pre-2022 territory so I’m curious how the propagandist you’re regurgitating came to those numbers.
>Before 2022, Russia occupied 42,000 km2 (16,000 sq mi) of Ukrainian territory (Crimea, and parts of Donetsk and Luhansk), and occupied an additional 119,000 km2 (46,000 sq mi) after its full-scale invasion by March 2022, a total of 161,000 km2 (62,000 sq mi) or almost 27% of Ukraine's territory.[8] By 11 November, the Institute for the Study of War calculated that Ukrainian forces had liberated an area of 74,443 km2 (28,743 sq mi) from Russian occupation,[9] leaving Russia with control of about 18% of Ukraine's territory.[10
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-occupied_territories_of_Ukraine
Ah, okay, I get it now; if you count the drive to Kiev as "occupied territory" then you could make that claim.
>if you count the drive to Kiev as "occupied territory"
and why you wouldn't?
The "We didn't want Kyiv" cope
Russia will take west east by the end of the war
They wanted the Zelensky government to break and effect a regime-change. Surrounding Kiev was Plan A and taking Kiev itself to oust Zelensky was Plan B. They never managed to get into position for Plan A so Plan B was also off the table. They obviously had zero intent of seizing territory on the drive to Kiev.
So what did VDV, Rosgvardia and 4th tank guard died for?
Nothing.
All Russian and Ukrainian death are for nothing but because Putin wills it and it will only end when he says so.
That is the bullshit part of this. Just like WW2 in 44 to 45 Japan and Germany killed and got killed because the man in charge said so. Only when they ate a bullet or finally had enough of their country bombed out and starving did it end.
So the real question is how do you make Putin stop?
>So the real question is how do you make Putin stop?
Accelerate his cancer.
>Make Putin stop
You kill the son of a bitch. Pin it on Wagner.
And what we call territory cleared during a land invasion on the way to the capital? What we call it? Could we call it controlling it? "Taking it" maybe even?? Nah obviously not....
Because it was just a drive silly anon
A counterargument could be made that when control over a given area is so brief and nebulous, then only the places within the LOS of the highway itself should count as having ever been occupied.
Does anyone have a gif that includes everything?
Of course it counts. They pushed into Ukrainian territory while having leaving no Ukrainian forces behind them. It's still an occupation even if you flee 12 hours later
In my opinion that’s too much a stretch. Driving convoys down a highway can’t honestly be called "occupation", even if many convoys went through towns and other roads. There were no Ukie forces behind the convoys because the Ukie military hadn’t formed up yet and the only fighting was Territorial Defense militias doing ambushes on the convoys.
>There were no Ukie forces behind the convoys because the Ukie military hadn’t formed up yet
Yes, driving into territory unopposed is also an occupation
Very pathetic gaslighting.
Here is a question, how did conquest work before the corps system?
It was all big convoys moving about and around, so what was up with that?
*sigh*
*rubs eyes*
Okay. Let’s consider Napoleon’s march through Russia. Napoleon was trying to engage the Russian army and defeat them in battle thereby forcing Russia to accept certain political demands. Now, was Napoleon conquering territory as the Grande Armée marched through it? Certainly they had to have a presence in order to run the logistics train, but does that amount to "occupying territory" as in re-drawing the map? No, right? Did Napoleon have any intent to occupy Russia? No, right? Would you draw the regions around his march as "occupied territory" which he later "lost"? You COULD but that would be super disingenuous.
yeah
Corps system was invented by Napoléon, tard historylet and they did have presence for the length and duration of the big red arrow.
>Now, was Napoleon conquering territory as the Grande Armée marched through it?
No, he was occupying it.
>It's still an occupation even if you flee 12 hours later
Arguable.
Much smarter and knowledgeable people than you calculated that.
They may be much smarter — I’m not so arrogant to think none of them could have a higher IQ then me — but that level of propaganda is aimed at people who are much dumber than me, that much is clear.
Why would Institute of War post propaganda about a war in Ukraine?
ISW is very biased if you haven’t noticed. They won’t outright lie because accuracy is a big part of their "brand" as a think tank but their editorial intent is pretty obvious,
>they all be lying
you can calculate it yourself then olga
99% of the shit they post is from pro-russoid sources
Russia did when they were posting maps of Russian controlled land early in the invasion. Remember when they stopped that after Kharkiv?
I don’t recall that, but if they were doing that it’s still propaganda.
>Cute, but Germany still has more territory than it had before the war. Stay seething
>Cute, but Japan still has more territory than it had before the war. Stay seething
>he has to pull articles from 2014
ahahahahahaha holy fuck it's so over for ziggers
It's a common cope to counter the 3 day thing. Last year they said "haha 48 hour anti terrorist organization going for 8 years" quite often.
Though I've been seeing it a lot less recently since even the most dedicated indians realized it's silly to bring it up after 1.5 years of failing to win
Indian Defence Forum and it's consequences have been a disaster for PrepHole.
>2014
This guy had to get a decade into the past to try and craft a narrative. Or are you saying that Russia already invaded Ukraine in 2014 and now we're 9 years into the Russian invasion of Ukraine with Russia being on the defensive and forced to rely on lines of static fortifications, extensive mine belts and T-55's, Iranian drones and Korean shells to stop *checks notes* the fucking Ukrainian army.
How pathetic does that sound.
>when you form 40km long convoy or trucks to destination you have no intentions of taking
Just Russian things
god if only the skies had cluster munitions in that phase of the war
imagine
putting the highway of death to shame
*ukies
This is the thing that boils my blood.
The Ukrainians asked for things and were denied till enough people died then shut was given. Like is there a civilian body count needed to unlock Tanks, Air defenses, or now F16s?
Feels too video gamey. But will real deaths of regular civis
Don't think there were many deaths to unlock AA, power grid infrastructure got completely fucked, though.
Why didn't they just send in some A-10s to do gun runs? That column was immortality calling
This is my favorite photo from a feint, it shows how little Russians cared to take Kyiv and just fainted all over the place
>still fit
Doesn't that mean if they get it after joining the military?
no, these are the new guidelines for conscription of civilians
well, why should they not draft russians living in ukraine?
considering that Russians have been drafting people with AIDS, HIV and hepatitis for almost whole year, sounds about right
>except those were prisoners. morally reprehensible yes but not as desperate
mass drafting of AIDS, HIV and hepatitis prisoners is the epitome of desperate
….you’re aware that Ukraine just changed the draft rules to eliminate the "partially unfit" classification so that everyone who can physically carry out a military duty can be drafted now? Even if you can’t handle frontline conditions if you can do anything for any part of the military you’re open for draft? Shoving people with mental and even physical disabilities into military service is NOT at the VERY least somewhat concerning?
of course not, you see it would be concerning if Russia didn't raise it's military service ceiling to 60 year olds, didn't increase draft age by 3 years, didn't mass draft AIDS, HIV and hepatitis carrying people since summer last year, hit more than 20% of it's goal of volunteer after first mobilization(vid I posted). However, since Russia is doing desperate measures and still failing short in number of soldiers they can get it's okay
isn’t this whatboutism
not really since we're talking about same conflict. I will paraphrase it a bit so it's more understandable. A Russian implies that Ukraine is losing because people will AIDS can get drafted, what does it say about prospects of Russian victory if they have been actually doing it since year ago
except those were Russian prisoners "volunteered" who joined a PMC company. these weren't rank and file conscripts pulled from the streets into the RU army.
meanwhile Ukraine is actually drafting people with AIDS and mental illness for their actual regular military.
>except those were Russian prisoners "volunteered" who joined a PMC company. these weren't rank and file conscripts pulled from the streets into the RU army.
and?
Nearly all HIV and AIDs carriers are ethnically Russian, so I don't really see a problem with it do you?
so the people with central nervous system disorders, thyroid gland diseases, neurotic disorders, and mental illness are all russians too?
>pretending you care just to win your argument
>pretend you don't care just to win your argument
>it's determined by who holds the village of rabotino.
Literally yes.
my favorite part is how all Russian shills know that Russia has being drafting people with AIDS for a year but if Ukraine is started doing that it's proof that they are losing
the left is both physically and mentally incapable to meme
they just can't
Since we're discussing Russia's economy, I've always wondered what the point is behind companies pulling out of countries based on popular sentiment
There is no way McDonald's makes enough money from people who love them more now to justify selling all their Russian assets
You do it so the gouvernement in which you operate doesn't suddenly start looking over you when it comes to court cases, military contracts and other stuff.
Also, they are in a minus either way, it is just that this way, the minus isn't in double digits.
>Also, they are in a minus either way
Eh?
>companies are pulling out of Russia based on 'popular sentiment'
are you for real?
Yes, I do in fact think companies leaving Russia after they invaded was due to popular sentiment, otherwise they would have done it 2 decades ago
Russia was not a particularly profitable place to do business. It cost them to leave, and doing so reduced market share, but their operating margin went up. High or improved operating margin is the accountant and investors fave because its lower risk / easier money.
https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-selling-russian-business-improved-operating-margin-vkusno-tochka-restaurant-2022-7
Isn't that just for the year though? I remember when my company folded an unprofitable division, it was just that they got an artifical bump in profits for the year
no, operating margin and net profit are quite different.
If an analogy helps, you have five children who are picking beans. Four of them pick a kilo per day, while one of them, lazy Arnold, picks half a kilo. All of them eat a quarter of a kilo of beans per day. That's 1.25kg beans lost per day, and 4.5kg beans gained per day, making for an operating margin of 3.25kg of beans. You sell your surplus beans for whatever, making you your revenue, which you use to pay for clothes and fertiliser and the fuel to run your rototill. What's left over is your net profit.
You give Arnold a kilo of beans and tell him to go find his fortune. You now lose 1kg of beans per day, and gain 4kg of beans per day, making for an operating margin of 4kg of beans. If a big storm fucks up your bean harvest, you lose less beans feeding your remaining four children, and you may also spend less money on clothing for lazy Arnold.
That’s just a cope. Many lost something like 6-12% of their revenue; they were operating in Russia for a reason to begin with. They took the hit, literally, because everyone else was. Some of them seem to have regretted it, or they’re smelling an opportunity to cash in where there’s suddenly no competition.
>Many
go on?
>their revenue
You mean they saw an increase as the the corruption went down in all companies the pulled out.
Fear of russia stealing their businesses if they don't sell them, reputation risks, legal risks in other countries they're operating in and being in that war sponsor list may affect their investment rating (it may not or they don't care, but still)
>ukraine is doing something Russia has been doing from the start
>this is why ukraine is losing
>he thinks western companies give away money when they virtue signal
they virtue signal to GET money lmao
This expansions been in the works for over a year, it just didn't go through
Mobilisation doesn't just mean frntline work anon.
No, I just don't understand how calling units of your army filled with chronically and mentally ill Wagner or Storm Z magically makes your army not filled with chronically and mentally ill
Poodhor, that’s not what cope is. I hate the massive over-use of cops anyway, but you ESLs cargo culting that word to death pisses me off. Illiterate fucks like you shouldn’t be allowed outside of a classroom.
>the absolute seething from Russians who thought winter and mud was going to save them
Which is somewhat amusing given they should know better from their own past actions.
Vuhledar was a disaster last year for Russia, obviiously, but it "worked" because the south is drier and is less effected by the winter mud season than other places in the country.
The Ukrainians have little reason to stop.
>Vuhledar was a disaster
That was a true lemmings move that has now been proven that lemmings down run to their deaths so I guess just Russians are dumb enough to do so multiple times.
Because it is difficult. Did you want someone to say it’s actually easy? Next.
Do we have any timeline for how NATO+ artillery (especially 155) ammunition production is ramping up?
My understanding is that this offensive is being supplied by borrowed South Korean 155 to significant degree (SK gives to US, Canada, etc so they can give their ammunition stocks to Ukraine). Plus cluster munitions unlocked a lot of mothballed US supply, but in both cases it's a one-time boost. Meanwhile Russia is talking to North Korea which could unlock a lot of supply for them...
This is PrepHole, so I am sure Ukraine will persevere.
>It's the garden gnomez
Boooooo get new material or fuck off
>while russian generals are careful about the lives of their men and equipment
Ummm
https://www.axios.com/2020/10/27/putin-russia-face-masks-mandate-covid19-coronavirus
Just another perfect thread that should remind everyone that the streetshitting indian fucks should be dealt with appropriately to side with russia. Drain them from investments and see how that will go for them.
*for having sided with russia. Mind is foggy due to a cold lol
Hey gay do a flip due with the mental gymnastics you're doing you can go for the gold medal also covid was two years ago, it's 2023 retard its time to live in today. So find someone new to blame or seriously get a rope, due you have no one to blame for your shity life
ya i bet thats the same thing you say about the holocaust and 9/11 fag nice try.
Lamo please do try to exsplain why they are fake I want to see you bullshit your way to try to prove that 9/11 is fake.
Dude its not as funny as listening to you explain what is a woman so please go ahead you have the room.
Did your parents play football with your head multiple times or you're just retarded? Don't try weasel your way out of it prove to me that holocaust and 9/11 are fake. I'll wait
How the fuck did Russians manage to memoryhole Priggy getting blown up like that? An equivalent event in the US would result in endless discussions for decades.
No one, not even Russians, have any expectations of Russia acting sane and rational.
>Priggy in the Middle had some nasty things to say about the Tsar so we got rid of him. Now shut up about it.
Seems rational to the point of mundanity.
Slave society
That was expected so nobody cares.
Centuries of breeding to create the perfect serf while culling their brightest
>Australia:26 mil
>Ukraine:36 mil
try again zigger. Whats next cope, posting ukranian roasties from western tinder?
Putin has taken more boosters than the average westerner. This not including the experimental nasal spray.
>~~*media*~~
The independent, trustworthy, unbiased Russian state media, in fact.
Makes sense, taking it slowly and using western-supplied arty that absolutely shits on Russian arty has gotten them further than trying meme blitz through minefields
>Just yesterday there was a video of HIMARS wiping out a sector of BUKs
We still have no confirmed HIMARS destructions right?
Oh look this gay can't exsplain why he's right so he just deflects. So either a shitskin or a pajjet or a moron who wants to be white. Newsflash you aint ever going to be white.
Pajeet very likely. See
I want to see them to do 9D chess trying to exsplain why russia is based and we should support a full blown imperialistic takeover due *insert reason here* due 100% of time they can't even have a reason for it
imo its a mixture of r*ssia being the mother of communism (and india has lots of them afaik) and some sort of "asian tribalism" while being jelly about western living standards.
And yet when shit hits the fan they come and beg for daddy USA come save us. Fuck sake if ever the China India border dispute goes hot to American firends please don't get yourself invloved let them sort their shit out or wait till they are on their knees and beging for your involvement
This and if they go buddy buddy with china, nuke them. Simple as.
Russians should all be killed. All normal people have understood that since Bucha. The fact that you are incapable of perceiving moral facts means that you and your entire race are fundamentally defective.
No they don't but I'll entertain you shitskin . Pajets come here to shit up the board because oh look my side is doing horable then the rotten west (and yet they still want to come here and live here I do wonder why) and just spam edited videos or same photo over and over agian and just want to spam their way to victory.
It just comes off tounge better and sounds nicer.
>nervous streetshitter being called out
>"I-I-I am in your head, s-sirs."
Hilarious really. Only reason I think pajeets should be shot like the currymorons they are comes 90% from the fact that they shat up the boards by being paid low-iq and low skilled shills and 10% from scams they run to fuck over the elderly. You are worthless scum and are massively overstaying your welcome inside the western hemisphere's trading forums.
Don't think we need a white internet, per say, Japs are pretty cool, but we certainly need a WESTERN internet.
Bugmen, Curries, Snow morons, and actual morons need to be cut off and left to shit up their own internet (assuming they can even make one without having it gifted to them).
Never said we need a "white internet" but cutting these groups out would significantly increase the quality of this informational channel tenfold.
Ziggers are going to actually start killing themselves once Mariupol is liberated.
It's their only propaganda win left.
No real suicides start when doneck falls and ukies are 3km near the airport they got kicked out in 2014. Bonus points is we see armchair warlord and history legends livestream their suicides due they can't make rent and the SVR checks ain't coming
The entire male population of Russia will freeze to death in a trench before then so maybe not.
There is NO reason for Ukraine to stop attacking. Ukraine needs to strike even when hell has frozen over, lol.
Crimea is destined to fall. It's too easy to cut it off.
>Crimea is destined to fall.
can i get a date estimate?
>It's too easy to cut it off.
so easy that they've been trying and failing ever since the annexation?
2025. And they haven't been trying that hard; Ukraine spent the years from 2014-2022 investing in their armed forces so they would be able to defend themselves against further Russian invasions. As you can see, they did a very good job of that. When have they even tried to reinvade Crimea?
>It’s more difficult to fight in cold, damp and muddy conditions.
This is bullshit and weather is a non factor when it comes to success in this offensive. Tatarigami (a ukrainian official) already talked about it. Surprising that Budanov is saying this kind of bullshit about weather.
oh shit, posted wrong pic, that was the second one, I meant to post this one first.
Obviously Budanov is doing a profound and mindblowing Ukrainian tactic called LYING, telling the enemy what he wants to hear so he'll drop his guard.
He cant keep getting away with it!
>Surprising that Budanov is saying this kind of bullshit about weather.
Those two quotes do not contradict each other. It's more difficult to fight in cold, damp and muddy conditions, it doesn't mean it will be much harder or that fighting will stop, in fact he says fighting will continue
Regardless, are Russians prepared to fight in a foreign land's winter? Saboteurs can set stockpiles of Russian winter supplies on fire.
I don't know bro, you tell me, last winter we had videos of pussians dying of cold...
I doubt the Mobiks are well-equipped for winter, considering how much Russian commanders "value" the lives of their own men, lol.
they survived last winter, well, not all of them. There were quite a number of videos of Russian mobiks killed by drones and you could see they were freezing to death
General Winter doesn't serve Russia when Russia is the invader, lol.
Russia is a poor and small nation please understand...
if it weren't for the favelas, I would say Russia is even worse than Brazil/SA in general, but thanks to favelas, Russia manages to be better, just by a little bit tho.
this reeks of NAFOgayry.
While I do agree with you that nafo is lame and gay, he does make a good point
I don't mean the twitter post in itself, Tatarigami is as good as it can get, what I mean is that that anon is at least acting like a NAFOgay
>NAFOgay
I wish those people face the wall after world deals with russians.
Muh n...nn..n...nafto poster. See what good that does you as the barbed wire noose goes on your neck for propagandising for war criminals, mass murderers, mass rapists and child kidnappers. remember, the internet is not anonymous. There is no walking away for you.
Yeah some bunch of retards on twitter are the only people who hate Russia and its shit. get a fucking grip so at least you realise how much of the world want you dead. Pic relalted
No, he meant the poster not Tatarigami´s twitter as it was explained in
And it was indeed fucking cringe nafogayry, not the PrepHole-kind of tzd wishing.
There will be ziggers dying every day for this shit in Ukraine for decades whether Russia surrenders tomorrow or not. It's just the way it rolls when atrocity like what has been done by ziggers in Ukraine happens. No one walks away. the ones that wind up in courts are the lucky ones. revenge is a hell of a thing the way it consumes people and if you kidnap their children or torture or murder their relatives it lasts a lifetime.
>There will be ziggers dying every day for this shit
Yeah? Still doesnt mean nafogayry isnt cringe as fuck.
Russia has lost so many tanks Ukraine actually has achieved parity with it in numbers, lol.
What are you even trying to fucking say. here your dead Russian,. Do you want an other one?
Watch your fucking mouth. people who involved themselves with Russia propaganda relating to war crimes will be hunted down and receive sentence. No walking away.
This one was used up anyway. he murdered a woman and two kids to get an apartment in Crimea and now there is a bucket filled with his extremities beside him
Don't fuck around propagandising for Putin if you love your family.
What the fuck are you going on about? We´re (or at least i am) laughing at you acting like a hysterical woman while enjoying the ongoing TZD.
It means a zigger just died. Brutal.
>Brutal.
Cool! But you really need to stop acting cringe as fuck. It´s already enough we get the main wave of 4chan brownies in the perimeter in about 9 hours time.
Winter war favors the Ukrainian high-tech approach, with heat sensors and night vision.
I remember when other generals used to get asked questions like this and it would be widely circulated. They don't have to ask the Owl every damn thing. Unless Potat is literally "Shut up and ask the owl".
Part of the "slow pace" thing was Ukraine is trying to ensure they don't lose momentum over the mud season and winter. They just keep rolling, albeit slowly, and eventually atacms and Western jets will come..
Most journalist questions are gotchas to create controversy. Some gay was trying to get the general to say the offense was a failure and they were going to quit.
The thousands of stories of US generals saying "Ukraine isn't winning fast enough and we are disappointed" was actually saying "We want our Ukraine allies to win faster because we want them to win fast, but it is fucking hard so they're going as fast as they can."
This redard wave of russian bullshit
1)The US republican partty will save Putin and his USSR 2.lp wet dream
2)Noooooooeee the west will give up and freeze when we cut out gas pipleine
3)Noooeeeee NATO does not have the wespons
4)Noeeeee NATO and the other (many other) nations will stop sending weapons and aid to Ukraine just because
5)You are here.
retarded russian fucks. Get this through your retarded fucking skulls. Russia lost this war last October. The EU alone can break Russia without breaking a sweat, economically, diplomatically and militarily, just nations like Poland, Finland and Sweden and the Baltics and Ukraine have more money and time than Russia has left. Its fucking over. Russia is being erased militarily and it will not stop, down to the last russian and AK. Then Ukraine will be rebuilt just like eastern Europe was after the USSR using EU money and join NATO anyway. Do you understand? Y/N
So honestly Potato could be going "Shut Up and ask the owl" and that's a fucking filter, because suddenly the vast majority of those journos are like squirrel nutkin but without the bravado.
Like even if you got the stones to ask, yeah dude you got Buddy to say shit was slow and difficult but holy shit he put a stuffed ばなにゃ on his desk, turns out that's a subtle reference to what Putin was planning on having for dinner, and now you're a tool of the GUR and the FSB are out to get you. Maybe you should have stuck to asking Potato, off the top of his head, how exactly ready Ukraine was to get all the greek fucked choppers into working order??
kill all ziggers
Reminder. We know the Ukrainians have been posting very exact figures for kills on Russians since this began because they have drone spotter footage to collate it from. Militarily Russia is ceasing to exist and NATO and other states Russia has threatened including the EU are getting exactly what they wanted in exchange for weapons sent to Ukraine. The end of Russia as even a middling conventional military power. Russia is going to cease to exist economically after the rouble completes its death spiral. It won't get any aid this time. If I was Russian I would be either trying o get out or hoarding food in the middle of nowhere because Rusisa got pretty grimdark in the 90s ad this is going to be far far worse. There might have been charitable aid like there was in 1991 but because of Russian propagandists poisonous posting for a decade no one will send even a can of beans this time.
Just as important is that Russia is going to be filled with survivors that are either crippled for life or have some rather bad PTSD (which i'm sure alcohol will help sooth over). Realistically more kids have been born in Russia than the number of males born in Russia but i imagine this isn't necessarily true in the locations they are actually recruiting from. i.e. that little shithole with a population of a thousand that gets 1-2 births a year has probably lost a decades worth of men which will be felt either in jobs left unfilled or families left destitute because it's just the mother.
Russia is over. If it got out of Ukraine last year it might have a had a chance but teh entire planet just wants it gone. There is no prospect of anything like the current Russia surviving this. Its best bet is being partitioned into a Chinese run zone an EU run zone and an American run zone. You want to be in the EU or US one because it's going to get pretty genocidal in the Chinese bit. The world is sick of Russian shit. Take Russia state propaganda spam off the internets (thanks snowden) and they would just be real people baying for dead Russians worldwide.
The irony is that the only Russians who will survive will be the Russians who got Westernized, as they were either banished or fled into exile.
>The irony is that the only Russians who will survive will be the Russians who got Westernized, as they were either banished or fled into exile.
Why would anyone have a problem with them? Different matter if they act as zigger propagandists though no matter where they are.
THIS is the most based Russian, the one who leads Ukraine's army.
According to that one anon who does volunteer supply runs to Ukies they dont really like Syrskyi.
Potato is loved though.
Oleksandr is a tactical genius, Super Potato (Valerii_Zaluzhnyi) is the strategist. They get results.
Two more weeks I bet
>Just as important is that Russia is going to be filled with survivors that are either crippled for life or have some rather bad PTSD
Haha, no! Russia will just send them all to die in Siberia just like they did with crippled veterans in WW2.
And I know for a fact that Russia will do this, because Russia's entire culture is based on WW2 LARP.
If you retake Robotyne, I will admit maybe you ziggergays have a point. But you can't.
Whatever happened to that massive Russian offensive on Kupyansk?
it was cowardly repealed
10.09.2023
Tanks — 4554 (+10)
Armored fighting vehicle — 8755 (+16)
Cannons — 5811 (+22)
MLRS — 760 (+3)
Anti-aircraft warfare — 509 (+1)
Planes — 315
Helicopters — 316
UAV — 4593 (+5)
Cruise missiles — 1455
Ships (boats) — 19
Cars and cisterns — 8338 (+40)
Special equipment — 872 (+2)
Military personnel — aprx. 268630 people (+490)
Russia looses a thousand military vehicles and 5000 men KIA every ten days when they have a defensive advantage and prepared positions and there are still Russians who think that Russia has a hope in this war. To last until December Russia needs to come up with another 10,000 military vehicles and artillery pieces and 50000 men to die.
So all disinfo aside, Ukraine is losing the long game. Realistically, where will Ukraine draw manpower resources from in the next two years?
Women and repatriated refugees
The moment Ukrainians draft SuperSus, I admit you contrarian schitzoretards might have a point.
Russians enter into disastrous war and carry out mass war crimes while loosing their military. Russians go on the internet and spam badly drawn forced memes of morons and trannies. When asked what they mean by this even the Russians do not know.
guess i'm the only one who decided to watch his entire speech?
it was a conference in kyiv, even panzer daddy is there
OP is a gay as always
This is having to be said as a direct result of the absolute retardation that milley spewed out of his ass two days ago. Morale would drop if the ukies didn't at least say something, after that fat retarded traitor decided to say Ukraine combat ops would end in 30 days. He really needs a bullet to the brain. I'm British!