>the new weapon must have a suppressor, must be short OAL and must have a very high muzzle velocity

>the new weapon must have a suppressor, must be short OAL and must have a very high muzzle velocity
>chooses the SBR with crazy high pressure ammo
What the frick were they thinking? The suppressor and velocity requirements make the bullpup the obvious choice. If they had issues with the design then fricking fix them, a bullpup was the answer to all of their demands.

Oh and btw, currently the high pressure ammo is just a crutch for the short barrel. Imagine a bullpup with a proper rifle length barrel + that high pressure ammo...

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yeah

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The difference between theory and reality is bullpups are good in theory.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Every single problem bullpups have is completely solvable by simple design decisions.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        then why didn't the engineers fix those in the first place?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Because so far every that has made a bullpup is terminally moronic.
          For a recent example, see Desert Tech.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yea dropping a revised variant without adding any ambi controls shooting hand was big L, its 2024, not the 80s anymore

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The reason why this one and the vapor rain hasnt come out is because USSOCOM is doing a bullpup trial currently. Still cant believe desert tech didnt make the cut into it.

              Desert Tech are incompetent morons who, for one, released a non functional gun back when their bullpup came out. The design in general is completely moronic as well, for example having a shitty handguard that can't retain zero.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Reportedly has been addressed.

                Yea dropping a revised variant without adding any ambi controls shooting hand was big L, its 2024, not the 80s anymore

                The BVLVRN is fully ambi dipshit

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah it gets addressed after enough people complain.
                It should have been addressed when the designer, not being a moron, notices the issue himself.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Hey you try thinking straight when you’re up to your eyeballs in trafficked Mormon pussy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Love the mentality of the owner

                >Old gun floundered and got utterly massacred by every social media entity and even actual owners
                >New gun potentially fixes a lot of problems but it's untested and people are skeptical because it's basically the same gun
                >Buy my shit so we can make more movie parodies!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            wow anon you should design one thats better then! you must be a gunsmithing genius

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I would if I had funding.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you can literally prototype guns out of scrap metal if you're such a profoundly talented gunsmith.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                We left Tony in a different cave.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, and what then you moron?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >you need to be a chef to know that the food is dogshit
              opinion discarded

              Yeah, and what then you moron?

              then he wouldn't respond and, if pressed, would probably claim to remember nothing but that he won the argument

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There's nothing moronic about the SRS

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >There's nothing moronic about the SRS
              True. The people that bought one are the morons.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Every single problem with high pressure ammo is completely solvable by simple design decisions.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          High pressure ammo is only made better by a long barrel.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reality will always dictate that they're just not that good compared to a normal rifle.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reality will always dictate that they're just not that good compared to a normal rifle.

      What are the shortfalls that make them so much worse?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Mutts can't figure out how to reload them

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There isn't a single SOF on the planet that chooses to use them. I think that says enough.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But you're not SOF, and neither do you have the same demands as they do. I don't care what guns Olympic shooters use because I'm not one nor do what they do. I bet you buy Glocks just because the cops use them

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Shit triggers usually

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Meanwhile, the most popular pistol in the world:

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you think a Glock has a bad trigger you just suck

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Saying the Glock has a good trigger is cope. It's serviceable but feels like someone shoved a Twinkie into the trigger group.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The Glock has a perfectly good duty trigger. It's not a race gun.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The same can be said for bull pups. Literally "good enough"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I never said the Glock's trigger was "good enough". I said it was good full stop. And for duty and defensive purposes it is a good trigger that needs no improvement.

                I like bullpups too, but there's no denying that what makes a good duty handgun trigger on a gun that you'll only ever practically take out to 50 yards at most is not what makes a good rifle trigger on a gun you're taking out to much farther ranges. "Good enough" yes, but none of them are actually good.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Mdr with modification has a good trigger imo. JARD makes a drop in that feels like a tuned ar trigger

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Every single problem bullpups have is completely solvable by simple design decisions.

      then why didn't the engineers fix those in the first place?

      Zero sources given.
      [...]
      Bullpups have been designed by many different engineering teams from many different countries and at many different times.
      You might be clever, but you aren't figuring out the secret sauce that no one else over the last century has.
      [...]
      Plastic keeps heat inside itself.
      Metal is too good of a conductor of heat comparatively.

      I don't know the answer to the hypothetical question but the practical one is indisputable

      >China went from an AK clone to a bullpup to an AK clone
      >the dozen state users of the AUG are all inexorably moving to HK416 or M4 style rifles after decades
      >Israel is moving the Tavor to reservists and replacing it with Arads and MZs in infantry
      >the bongs are ever so slowly shifting from SA80s to KS-1s

      A lot of the earth's major militaries went all-in on bullpups during the 20th century and now virtually every one of them is reversing course, why?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don’t think this is very compelling because there are a couple obvious answers, such as moronic acquisitions processes or corrupt MIC interplay

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >it's not my boomer ass that's wrong, every military on the planet is out of touch! especially the SOF!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don’t think that, I think specifically looking at the direction of major militaries for determining whether one arm is inherently superior to another isn’t compelling.
            I think there are other compelling reasons to say bull pups have major issues that standard configuration rifles don’t have.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know what to tell you other than that they're all wrong.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >That Daewoo-style swoop up at the rear of the receiver into the rear sight
        Oh yeah, that looks GOOD. Gotta give them credit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Bullpups are good I theory and application. The user is not. Hence all the b***hing about reload speed and ergos, even though the ergos is superior to conventional layouts and reload speed is a matter of training. It's the Indian not the arrow.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I've never understood the reload speed argument. Who the frick is just standing out in the open reloading.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It didn't win because it's ugly as frick and also very gay and stupid.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It didnt win because it didn't offer to assure 300,000 copies of the selection officer's book would sell by donating several million dollars to several universities whom have agreed to buy access to the agreed upon quantity of e-books in exchange for new vending machines.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ugly??? Dog that’s the Halo battle rifle

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >ugly as frick and also very gay and stupid
      Speaking from experience?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Bullpup gay detected, opinion disregarded.

    Captcha: OPGAY

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The difference between theory and reality is bullpups are good in theory.

      the general dynamics submission was the best design

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >yet another person makes hating on something his entire personality
        go back to twitter Black person

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >yet another homosexual makes simping for BRAND his entire personality
          go back to

          [...]

          moron

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the general dynamics submission was the best design

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The reason why this one and the vapor rain hasnt come out is because USSOCOM is doing a bullpup trial currently. Still cant believe desert tech didnt make the cut into it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >USSOCOM is doing a bullpup trial currently

      Bullshit, where's the source?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Zero sources given.

      Because so far every that has made a bullpup is terminally moronic.
      For a recent example, see Desert Tech.

      Bullpups have been designed by many different engineering teams from many different countries and at many different times.
      You might be clever, but you aren't figuring out the secret sauce that no one else over the last century has.

      >plastic
      >better at removing heat from the system
      what did he mean by this

      Plastic keeps heat inside itself.
      Metal is too good of a conductor of heat comparatively.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Plastic keeps heat inside itself.
        plastic is generally a poor conductor of heat, but that energy is going somewhere. Where is the heat going?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          From demonstrations is basically retained inside the case body and can't transfer to the chamber walls in time before extraction.
          I'd be curious if there's any appreciable increase in barrel temperatures vs brass cased ammo.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i swear i saw a video of task and purpose fingering the chamber after dumping a short belt through a 240 conversion so that stays really fricking cool apparently.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        All of the designs so far have glaring issues. I would be able to design a rifle with none of the issues.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sig offered the decision makers a better kickback deal than GD did. The spear is an absolute POS and it's obvious this was the better option. That's not how a corrupt country operates though, everything is a taxpayer money embezzlement scheme out here.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No the bullpup was not good and just because you slapped a bipod on it doesn't make it an lmg.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >we need machine gun
    >*makes RPK clone with 20 (!) rds magazine*
    >What the frick were they thinking?
    Yeah...

    Big blunder. Best way they should've choose TV 6.8 round and GD bullpup rifle and re run competition for NGSW-AR with TV 6.8 been new requirement. Lost opportunity...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Frick that, the Textron CT was a way better design, should've selected that as the new 6.8 and let everyone else design guns to work with it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >pseudo telecopic shit
        >good

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It is and I'm tired of pretending otherwise. If we're gonna adopt shitty plastic ammo might as well adopt something that actually improves on cartridge tech rather than the same shit again. It's why I hate the Sig 2 piece ammo, it's not substantially evolving cartridges and by extention firearms

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >If we're gonna adopt shitty plastic ammo might as well adopt something that actually improves on cartridge tec
            But pseudo telecopic shit brings nothing positive only negativity comparing to convectional layout plastic case like 6.8 TV.
            Telescopic shit is abortion child of the failed G11 program. Textron bought G11 tech to make their own caseless (caseless been noob trap btw too, combustible case good caseless is not). Caseless forces you to go telescopic layout and moving chamber. Plastic case was "back up solution" if ultimate caseless solution fails. Caseless of course failed and they stuck sub optimal plastic pseudo telecopic shit nobody asked for. If you want make plastic case just make it from the plastic like TV does.

            >It's why I hate the Sig 2 piece ammo, it's not substantially evolving cartridges and by extention
            firearms
            It akshually does. Free muzzle velocity without changing anything and people are jumping on this high pressure train with another ammo.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The way you talk makes you sound unintelligent. Put more effort into what you say.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The extraction event is the single most problematic thing about cartridge firearms.
              Push ejection is wonderful, they just need to get the rest of the rifle right.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The extraction event is the single most problematic thing about cartridge firearms.
                Its actually shot M8. Telescopic shit introduces problems of chamber misalignment and large freebore bullet ride where there was no such problems. See shot event is directly tied to guns performance and telescopic shit puts additional limitations on the this event and min maxing of the bullet design .While having zero advantages over convectional layout hybrid metal polymer case like TV desing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Revolvers are even worse about this but they've been working flawlessly for 150 years

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Revolvers are in no way high performance guns.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                why not?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And these guns didn't run high performance long ogive projectiles. They had long cylindrical part to cope with free bore and chamber misalignment.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Revolvers most commonly use blunt and short projectiles, instead of long and slim ones.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's all literally just skill issue on the part of the designers.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >(caseless been noob trap btw too, combustible case good caseless is not)
              I recognize you, dipshit. You ignored me last time I saw you when I explained how combustible case has the same worst downside of caseless ammo, which is that it dumps all its heat straight into the chamber. The future of ammunition is POLYMER, ejecting cases with all the heat trapped inside that are cool to the touch on the outside. Combustible case is dogshit for small arms.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            plastic improves ammo in three major ways
            weight reduction
            better at removing heat from the system
            the internal geometry of the casing can be altered in production
            its a huge leap forward

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >plastic
              >better at removing heat from the system
              what did he mean by this

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It doesn't remove it, rather, it conducts less of it to the chamber in the first place.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                it will be conducted into the barrel anyway, and no heat will be removed with the extracted case

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Where do you think that the heat inside the chamber goes since the walls are insulated?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Into the expanding gases resulting in higher efficiency. You haven't thought about this much have you?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                barrel (the barrel)
                the only advantage of plastic cases are cost (assuming PEEK gets less expensive) and reducing cook offs, if that's even a benefit

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                All of the heat not absorbed by the chamber doesn't get absorbed by the barrel. Most of it gets expelled with the rest of the gases.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >All of the heat not absorbed by the chamber doesn't get absorbed by the barrel.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Did you think it either goes into the barrel or the chamber? Do you think the gases escaping from the muzzle are completely cool? Both the barrel and the chamber will heat up, but saving some heat from the chamber does not mean it necessarily must be absorbed by the barrel, and it doesnt

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Do you?
                >All of the heat not absorbed by the chamber doesn't get absorbed by the barrel.
                if the chamber is not absorbing heat (it's absorbing heat anyway from the barrel it's attached to) the heat will go elsewhere. the gas doesn't become any more conductive of heat, nor the barrel less so, with plastic cases. heat -> barrel

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The barrel is no more conductive of heat, the gases don't transfer all of their heat into the barrel though. How do you still not get it you dense mother fricker. It's not a closed system. He gases escaping at the muzzle being much of their heat with them, and although the gases being hotter by virtue of the chamber being better insulated means the barrel will absorb some of that heat instead, it's by no means close to the difference.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >it's by no means close to the difference.
                do you have any numbers to back up this claim

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Dillon logged a 20% decrease in bore temp from their tests
                https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/true-velocity-forms-strategic-alliances-with-dillon-aero-and-general-dynamics/331240#:~:text=Using%20True%20Velocity's%20composite%2Dcased,round%20test%20on%20the%20ammunition.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I suppose this proves me wrong. I wonder how this will affect a normal recoil-operated firearm and not a minigun though, extraction wise and such

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >barrel (the barrel)
                Then it's no different from brass cases, in fact it's better in that aspect

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                it will be conducted into the barrel anyway, and no heat will be removed with the extracted case

                Business idea: plastic barrels

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >plastic cases
                >plastic barrels
                >plastic bullets
                xraycels stay losing

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Much more of it will be expelled with the gases at the muzzle than will be absorbed by the barrel

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >If we're gonna adopt shitty plastic ammo might as well adopt something that actually improves on cartridge tec
            But pseudo telecopic shit brings nothing positive only negativity comparing to convectional layout plastic case like 6.8 TV.
            Telescopic shit is abortion child of the failed G11 program. Textron bought G11 tech to make their own caseless (caseless been noob trap btw too, combustible case good caseless is not). Caseless forces you to go telescopic layout and moving chamber. Plastic case was "back up solution" if ultimate caseless solution fails. Caseless of course failed and they stuck sub optimal plastic pseudo telecopic shit nobody asked for. If you want make plastic case just make it from the plastic like TV does.

            >It's why I hate the Sig 2 piece ammo, it's not substantially evolving cartridges and by extention
            firearms
            It akshually does. Free muzzle velocity without changing anything and people are jumping on this high pressure train with another ammo.

            The sig hybrid case, together with shell shocks 9mm and 5.56/300 blk cases and now the swiss p hybrids are the biggest advance in gun tech since smokeless powder 120 years ago.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Advertising tier bullshit.
              An inability to make firearms more powerful has never been a limiter on shoulder rifles or handgun.
              And excessive barrel length hasn't been an issue since the 90s at the latest.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Hybrid ammo turns .308 into 300 winmag 5.56 into 22 creedmoor 9 mm into a handcannon, all while being much cheaper in material cost and manufacture. And in the case of shell shock techs ammo not dumping any heat into the chamber through the casing, think about machine guns with short barrels insane ballistic performance without over having to change barrels.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That extra power is unnecessary and comes with excess recoil.
                2 piece hybrid ammo will always be more expensive than conventional single piece brass casing.
                Barrel heat and chamber heat are different things. Chamber heat became such a big talking point because early plastic ammo melted in hot chambers. Machine guns will still have to deal with heat buildup in the barrel, regardless of being full brass, polymer, or steel-brass.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No, the extra power does not come with excess recoil, in fact it is cheaper than equivalent power out of brass cartridges, and comes out of much shorter barrels with lower uncorking pressures(much better for suppressors).
                Second brass cartridges are very difficult to manufacture and materially very expensive(brass is 50% copper and 40% zinc). Infact you can buy shell shock 9mm casings cheaper than brass right now.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Thankfully both of the competing options had plastic cases...

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You can't create power out of thin air.
                If you up the velocity or bullet weight, you up the recoil.
                Swapping out the baseplate of a brass case so you can go full Bubba, creates extra recoil.

                If you are just talking about increasing the pressure to get the same velocity for a given barrel length, that is a different thing. But that has the response that no one is still using 24" muskets. It isn't 1960 anymore.
                Barrel lengths are generally more than short enough for most people.

                SIG's two piece design still uses brass for the upper.
                So it will still require basically the same manufacturing processes as extant designs.
                Shell Shock uses a different nickel alloy, but any swap from brass brings on its own material problems. Aluminum, steel, nickel, etc., each has pros and cons.
                They're almost certainly selling those cases at a loss right now, so you can't bet on the current cheap price to continue.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No what high pressure ammo does, is more efficiently transfer energy from the gas to the bullet.
                >If you are just talking about increasing the pressure to get the same velocity for a given barrel length, that is a different thing. But that has the response that no one is still using 24" muskets. It isn't 1960 anymore.
                Barrel lengths are generally more than short enough for most people.

                High pressure 5.56 out of a 10.5 inch barrel outperformes brass cased 5.56 out of a 10 inch barrel. It also has lower uncorking pressure, so you can use a compact suppressor likes for example the cat WB, which gives you a short, compact gun with insane power.
                >Shell Shock uses a different nickel alloy, but any swap from brass brings on its own material problems. Aluminum, steel, nickel, etc., each has pros and cons.
                They're almost certainly selling those cases at a loss right now, so you can't bet on the current cheap price to continue.
                Shell shock pistol cases have no downsides(rifle cases not common enough to tell yet), and they "have been selling at a loss" for 8 years now apparently.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, if you up the pressure you can get the same performance out of a shorter barrel. However, that extra performance is basically immaterial in practice because the necessity for it is barely existent.
                The marginal gain is that some people who need all the range they can get out of 5.56, can do so with a slightly shorter rifle. But those people are pretty uncommon in practice. Modern bullet design has ameliorated 5.56's velocity dependance to a significant degree.
                You are trying to solve an issue that was mostly dealt with.

                When you don't sell much you have to sit on trying to build market share by undercutting everyone else.
                Shell Shock is mostly a novelty brand right now. The number of people using their ammo as a daily driver is going to be small.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No, hybrid 5.56 out of a 10 inch barrel outperforms regular 5.56 out of a 20 inch barrel with lower uncorking pressure. That is super useful, you can give an entire army suppressed sbrs now that double as a dmr aswell.
                Also hybrid cases are not dependent on sig or shell shock, there is also SwissP(part of beretta defence), Federal ammo bought the hybrid case technology from general dynamics(the are working with the french army atm) and lebedev froim russia aswell. This is a major effort now, that will surely take over the ammo market over the coming years.
                I really dont get why you are opposed to this.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The need for that role is heavily limited.
                You are introducing an objectively more complex and process intensive cartridge type, purely for the limited gain of increased range in very short carbines.
                Most people that need the increased range are totally comfortable with current sizes of carbine. Most people that need a shorter carbine don't need the range.
                This is an example of a solution in search of a problem.

                There can be plenty of prototypes, but you lead with Shell Shock for a reason.
                They're the most realized example of the concept and it's utility.
                Or frankly, the lack thereof.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If everybody though like you, we would still be living in caves.
                >This is an example of a solution in search of a problem.
                No its actually a solution to most problems with guns today, but really I think you are trolling at this point, you just keep repeating the same arguments.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The issues with modern firearm aren't solved by increased pressure at the cost of entirely new cartridge designs. Barrel length is not the first or even second or third major problem with modern shoulder rifles and handguns.
                Your insistence on this topic is mind numbing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The issues with modern firearm aren't solved by increased pressure at the cost of entirely new cartridge designs. Barrel length is not the first or even second or third major problem with modern shoulder rifles and handguns.
                Ok what are the first, second and third most pressing problems that have to be addressed first?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Obviously the machine gun and the rifle should be separate trials. What the frick does the machine gun have to do with the rifle?
      That's like holding trials for a new tank but the same company has to provide the IFV as well.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the contract was for both machine gun and rifle, nobody but TV's fault that they went the cheap route and said "lol just barrel swap the m240 lmao". the govt specifically wanted a new mg design and TV fricked themselves with a half assed solution

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the govt is moronic

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >>*makes RPK clone with 20 (!) rds magazine*
      You don't know anything. Their offer was to re-barrel the existing M240Bs to save the tax payer a lot of money from not having to buy new GPMPs. Siggers of course whined that this was unfair and forced GD to come up with a new LMG at the last minute. Proof that the entire program was a big scam from the beginning.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They could have rebarreled ALL the 240s. The tankers and rotor heads would no doubt appreciate the extra range, decreased weight, and enhanced cooling the switch provides.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Their offer was to re-barrel the existing M240Bs to save the tax payer a lot of money from not having to buy new GPMPs.
        That was last minute convulsions attempts to find escape from the pit they dig for themselves. And of course the were pointless because re-barrelled M240B in no way met weight and length requirements of the NGSW-AR. Big mistake. Even more fun they had their own lightweight soft recoil belt fed 0.338 MG the could've scale it to 6.8 but nope. (BTW apparently GD 0.338 was designed by same engineer as SIG XM250, SIG lured him to switch sides)

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >high velocity ammo
    >chamber right next to your ear

    also bullpup bad

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Guns don't explode anon, unless you're Mark Serbu

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    my guess is that the guy in charge of making the requirements wanted the bullpup but the guy in charge of choosing the winner wanted the sig, so we got the sig

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Or maybe the bullpups sucked and they chose the safest option?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Well the sig ngsw sucked more, so that didn't pay off did it?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It was especially poetic when they went:
          >oh yeah we can meet the ammo spec with this fancy case design cranked up to 80k psi
          >but that stuff is expensive and hard to make so here's this brass case shit that's worse than .308
          >yes, we absolutely will make plenty of the high pressure stuff later :^)
          DOD literally got scammed by Sig and a few generals that are going to mysteriously become NYT best-sellers overnight.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You can't use combat 6.8 on existing training range it's has tripple
            penetration of M80 and double safety range. You need massive and expensive rebuilding of the training facilities.
            Or use reduced range reduced penetration TP round.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It would not be expensive and probably not even necessary. This sounds like some.made up arg cope

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >bruh just let me buy double land to extend safety zones of ranges
                >also cant have long living AR500 targets because semi AP 6.8 GP chips this steel
                AFVs in training already use only specially made TP rounds, because live rounds are too expensive and have too much range (especially sabots, 15 km for 25mm, 40 km for 120mm)

                And BTW US Army already have soft separated training buys of the M855A1 and combat buys of the M855A1. Combat issue M855A1 is packaged into bandoliers and cans, and training package are much cheaper cardboard bulk packs. DOD literally got scammed by Salt Lake plant and a few generals that are going to mysteriously become NYT best-sellers overnight....

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sorry your cartridgefu isn't the head b***h anymore but you really don't have to take it so hard. Another sounding sess should see you right

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >not arguments
                I accept you concession.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I don't have to argue when all you can provide is supposition.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                These are thee facts.

                >bruh just let me buy double land to extend safety zones of ranges
                >also cant have long living AR500 targets because semi AP 6.8 GP chips this steel
                AFVs in training already use only specially made TP rounds, because live rounds are too expensive and have too much range (especially sabots, 15 km for 25mm, 40 km for 120mm)

                And BTW US Army already have soft separated training buys of the M855A1 and combat buys of the M855A1. Combat issue M855A1 is packaged into bandoliers and cans, and training package are much cheaper cardboard bulk packs. DOD literally got scammed by Salt Lake plant and a few generals that are going to mysteriously become NYT best-sellers overnight....

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >autocannon in any way comparable to small arms
                >training bays vs. combat bays for the same cartridge
                I doubt it

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    True Velocity's ammo is the complete antithesis to Sig’s ammo. Cheap, easy to manufacture, and extremely lightweight allowing soldiers to carry literally infinite ammo. It is what tacticians probably dreamed about

    LOL

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because SigShart is the new favorite domestic manufacturer instead. That, the eternal “retraining a grunt is so hard” cope, ~~**~~ Shenaniganry and the institutional moronation of the people who selected it.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Whats needed is a high velocity grenade launcher like the Chi-coms have

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        To do exactly what this new meme rifle is supposed to do, engage targets 500+ yards out....
        9 times out of 10 you shoot at someone, miss, they find cover
        Now you know exactly where they are but you can't hit them

        In comes a programmable grenade launcher...

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >In comes a programmable grenade launcher...
          Yeah, the XM25

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            25mm is worthless

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              you're moronic

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >If they had issues with the design then fricking fix them
    I think the issue was that it was a bullpup.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Being a butt buddy to an autocannon
    >He moves too far too fast
    >End up stuck in place unable to move

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    While i've got no issues saying the SIG MG was a fantastic entry i still think the 240 barrel swap would have been leagues better for everyone. Seriously the added range on vehicular mounts would have been such a benefit and nobody seems to bring that up. The TV ammo was by far the best choice with tons of room to improve upon unlike the sig 227.
    And yeah bullpups are cool and the way forward until we radically redefine what a firearm is

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If they could achieve the muzzle energy requirements with an SBR AR then why wouldn't they?
    Why accept all the problems that come with Bullpups for no reason?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like the requirements weren't ambitious enough since you could achieve even greater energy with a proper length barrel of a bullpup + high pressure ammo

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      for this example, ammo weight, chamber pressure and OAL. Modern bullpup triggers have improved dramatically because that was typically everyone's first complaint.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What the frick were they thinking?
    Probably "I can't wait to get a sweet gig at Sig Sauer USA when I retire"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It was that 4 Star SF commander that got the gig.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    is the suppressor basically just an enhanced flash hider here? because with that ammo... and at night?
    hope they worked all that out

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >SIG's high pressure ammo greatly reduces the life of the rifle
    >Troops will train with lower pressure ammo and be issued the real ammo when shipping out

    Lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      infinite budget really do be like that

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not training with what you'll actually be using in combat seems wrong

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Turdworld tier

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Where did you read that

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why no roller delayed bullpups?

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