The Marine Corp wants every soldier to have a suppressor by 2030

What ever happened to "they wear out too fast"? Or "it is advantageous to be loud in urban ops"? Or "if you are patrolling with a platoon, then the enemy knows where you are"? Or that "there are too many different types of guns to get suppressors for them all"? Or that "they get too hot"? Or that "they increase fouling"? Or that "they make the riffle too long"?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Never heard of anyone changing their opinion have you?
    fricking moron

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The US military was the tard for waiting so long despite constant noise injuries from weapons use. Designing hand held rocket systems without regard for noise or concussion (which is a damaging act on the brain) isn't too bright either.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think we're moving away from wasting 300,000 shots per kill. That's more expensive than replacing suppressors and using flatter shooting bullets.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"they wear out too fast"

    Things got better

    >"it is advantageous to be loud in urban ops"

    Stupid, simply stupid

    >"if you are patrolling with a platoon, then the enemy knows where you are"

    They know where you are the moment you stepped outside, it's the digital age

    >"there are too many different types of guns to get suppressors for them all"

    Government budget big

    >"they get too hot"

    Man up

    >"they increase fouling"

    Start cleaning, b***h

    >"they make the riffle too long"

    Marines cleared houses with M16A4s

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Start cleaning, b***h
      Normies seem to forget that Marines spend hours cleaning guns until they are spotless.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sergeants will have marines cleaning guns just to keep them out of trouble. It's actually a minor problem with too much cleaning damaging coatings and removing lube.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They are quite literally preparing to fight in tunnels.
    Only the tunnel people will be left.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is the actual answer. Didn’t you guys see the sewerisraelite video?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/tiVBai3.jpg

      This is the actual answer. Didn’t you guys see the sewerisraelite video?

      Tunnel israelites aside, I mean it quite literally.

      https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/06/24/army-spending-half-billion-train-troops-fight-underground.html

      https://www.pacom.mil/Media/News/News-Article-View/Article/3430082/underground-soldiers-army-trains-for-operations-below-surface/

      https://www.army.mil/article/240605/tunnel_rats_warfighters_can_now_train_in_subterranean_warfare

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Subsurface warfare is devoid of things like tanks and air support
        We're always going to need infantry, aren't we?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        is this a reaction to a possible war with china? that would involve a lot of tunnel like warfare considering the amount of metros and subsurface infrastructure

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          no, the America was supposed to see muh oct.7th as 9/11 part 2. and we were all supposed to immediately jump out of our chairs and run to the recroooooooooooooooooting office to sign up to defend israel from hecking Hamasbollah.

          its all for the big push into the gaza tunnel system.
          the US is israels vassal, so it will be US troops sent to clear them

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the US is israels vassal

            i am so tired of hearing this from people who only get information about israel from PrepHole and their PrepHole-friendly discord servers.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >i am so tired of hearing this from people who only get information about israel from PrepHole and their PrepHole-friendly discord servers.

              no one cares what youre "sick of",
              so save it

              answer this:
              why didnt the black sea get a 44-ship task force when Operation_Z kicked off?

              why is the US simultaneously bombing 3 separate nations, with a 4th/5th on the table, at the behest of israel, if the claim wasnt valid?

              I mean the Ruzzian navy is a joke, same with their air/land forces, so the black sea should have been utterly fricking clogged with nato maritime forces, yet......... nothing
              meanwhile, the red-sea looks like a Miami marina there are so many military boats patrolling it..kinda strange isnt it?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who knew this would be a thing?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Half the posts in that image say (you). That's kind of sad anon.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Other anons have already covered some of it, but one I don't see yet is a very, very long delayed and much needed general shift to give more of a shit about soldier's health and quality of life because they are having such brutal recruitment problems. Like, not in ways that compromise effectiveness, but there's tons and tons of shit that has absolutely nothing to do with effectiveness but the military has just been too fricking lazy. They got all sorts of exemptions from basic safety standards that private industry has to follow, some necessary but some pure bullshit. Killing people's ears in training, or having barracks full of black mold or having toxic lazy burn pits or whatever stupid shit doesn't help defeat the enemy.

    For my worthless single data point, it's a major reason I dismissed the idea of joining after looking though yeah, I make more money otherwise anyway. But weird as it may sound I genuinely consider myself patriotic, I'm willing to serve, and I understood that involves risk to my life. But I sort of had the feeling that while the enemy may kill me or accidents may happen, IF I made it through my tours fine then I should have the rest of my life ahead of me afterwards. Like working a very dangerous private industry job in nuclear plant construction or heavy industry or whatever. Shit happens, but OSHA sets some floor standards nonetheless, no one can legally send me to smash asbestos with no respirator and tell me to tough it out. Whereas with the military my distinct impression is even with no war I'd be used up and then left to the dubious mercy of the VA hospital system. Nuts to that.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A lot of this is thanks to shills btw. Not sure if you're familiar but there was a controversy with the Germans' armored fighting vehicle a few years ago, supposedly the inside of the cabin wasn't unsafe for pregnant women so the troony/cuck/whatever Germans complained about it.

      In reality the gun was venting fumes into the cabin to the extent that it was unsafe, by law, for pregnant women to be inside. It was toxic. But the right wing media latched onto "THE GOVERNMENT IS OBSESSED WITH FEMINISM!" and turned it into a political thing rather than the government rightfully complaining about unsafe equipment. If it's unsafe for pregnant women, it's unsafe for everyone.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Eh, nowadays yeah, but we should be honest that a ton of this shit falls squarely on the shoulders of brass going back, like, probably centuries. The history of the base level men (be it on land or at sea) being treated like shit probably stretches back through much of human history of organized combat. Sometimes due to cost, sometimes out of some pre-scientific "makes 'em tougher!", but definitely lots of history there and like a lot of institutional stuff gets hard to change because everyone in charge came through the same system "and we turned out fine!!"

        It's irritating though because we do know better and the situation has changed. In the past private industry treated workers like shit too, so no real difference. And a lot was sheer ignorance, low life expectancies, general poverty etc. None of that has been the case for awhile, but the US military has kinda coasted on leftover WW2 consensus and patriotism for 50 years after as private industry went through painful but important QoL improvements. Now they suddenly are finding they've built up this huge technical debt and there are no quick fixes to decades of neglect.

        But still it's just so fricking stupid. Like suppressors are a case in point, military is spending $1-2m per soldier, 4-5 figures on gun and now optics and so on, armor, all this kit, and they can't be assed to put on a $400 tube to help keep everyone from getting the EEEEEEEEEE and losing ability to enjoy music and their kids as much and shit? It's so fricking petty practically.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It'll have to change anon. But it'll be slow, and the "I GOT MINE YOU HAVE TO SUFFER TOO YOU'RE UNMANLY IF YOU DON'T WANT HEARING LOSS AND BACK PAIN!" types need to go from the military.

          This is going to sound crazy but I'm actually kinda happy the military is accepting twinks and women and shit now. You need a base of people in the military who aren't brainwashed with this "80 kg packs are normal and if you think putting it on a truck is an option in a fricking training exercise you're a homosexual by the way here's your AC-130 if you wear a respirator you suck wieners cancer is a myth" bullshit. It'll take decades to wash out though.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Good points. I have some science folks in the family, uncle I see once in awhile is a particle physicist, I don't quite remember how it went but he said there was a black humor saying that went kinda like
            >"Science advances one retirement or death of old age at a time."
            or something like that. Basically sometimes you need old fossils wedded to their pet theories to just fricking die and get out of the way for new stuff to happen. Definitely see some of that in the military too. Agreed that the army just has had to really be forced.

            The optimistic take though is that there is a LOT of low hanging fruit, military doesn't have to totally reinvent the wheel here. There are lots of companies that aren't traditionally considered at all part of the "MIC" but could be delighted to receive guvbux to help modernize. COTS safety gear, including suppressors, is really fricking good now and by military spending standards very cheap.

            Some stuff like the tank design you're talking about will certainly be harder, but giving 3M a call and getting people excellent, quality PAPRs is easy. I wear one 8+ hours a day no prob when I'm doing certain work. I even use it in my own shop now, one of the better investments I've ever made.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Good points. I have some science folks in the family, uncle I see once in awhile is a particle physicist, I don't quite remember how it went but he said there was a black humor saying that went kinda like
            >"Science advances one retirement or death of old age at a time."
            or something like that. Basically sometimes you need old fossils wedded to their pet theories to just fricking die and get out of the way for new stuff to happen. Definitely see some of that in the military too. Agreed that the army just has had to really be forced.

            The optimistic take though is that there is a LOT of low hanging fruit, military doesn't have to totally reinvent the wheel here. There are lots of companies that aren't traditionally considered at all part of the "MIC" but could be delighted to receive guvbux to help modernize. COTS safety gear, including suppressors, is really fricking good now and by military spending standards very cheap.

            Some stuff like the tank design you're talking about will certainly be harder, but giving 3M a call and getting people excellent, quality PAPRs is easy. I wear one 8+ hours a day no prob when I'm doing certain work. I even use it in my own shop now, one of the better investments I've ever made.

            you can pull the lever to stop the cart at any time, but if you do it won't be fair to all the people who have already been run over

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It'll have to change anon.

            No, it won't because only being good enough to win sometimes is necessary. Different mistakes will be made out of dogmatic thinking but there will be no sea change. The US doesn't think that way with exceptions proving the rule. Americans celebrate non-dogmatic thinking much more than we DISPLAY non-dogmatic thinking.

            That's why all the lessons of Southeast Asia died with the last veterans of that conflict departing the military. Their last great hurrah was Desert Storm. (Shaw had a couple of old Nam vet pilots remaining including one part Cherokee who stepped to his F-16 in war paint. He came back from the first strikes (with wing bags still attached) grinning like a pedo at scout camp. The two young Lts with him punched off theirs but he'd seen plenty of SAMs and knew that fuel could save his ass.)

            That's why lessons of Iraqistan were ignored and senior leadership content to lie, maintain their careers, get participation trophies then move to their next assignment. Reformers usually get sidelined into war colleges etc.

            Americans are technically skilled but our cultural subgroups (troons included) fetishize each subgroups vision of self-righteous dogmatic conformity. "We've always done it this way" permeates civilian corporations and US armed forces are VERY corporate. Sick Smegma and other business memes du jour contrary to military efficiency (for example lean procurement doesn't fricking work because military production and repair lead times mean wars are fought from stocks on hand for a LONG time until production spools up) are emphasized.

            Suppressors are nice and I highly recommend them but doesn't everyone have tinnitus?
            I mean that seriously, I don't think I've ever not heard the ringing when it's quiet.
            It would freak me out if there suddenly wasn't ringing.
            It's not like over top of any other sound. I mean, any background noise and the ringing isn't there or isn't notices but right now there's a constant tone in my ear. Some of you don't have that?

            > doesn't everyone have tinnitus?

            No, though a little is common. Despite decades on da flightline I don't but ALWAYS wore foamies and double earpro as required. We'd be a few feet forward of the nozzle on burner runs doing leak checks (you'd feel the low freq noise if you were deaf).

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >No, it won't
              I think it will because it already is, though haltingly and slowly. But the military can be forced into things by circumstances. The recruitment crisis alone as well as the real threat of actual peer war back on the table is forcing a fair amount of reevaluation, even if it goes at the pace of brass retiring. But when things start getting more desperate and there are objective numbers pointing to "not working" that does start to drive more innovative efforts. Or when there are clear paradigm shifts in capability happening, like with SpaceX.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Eh, nowadays yeah, but we should be honest that a ton of this shit falls squarely on the shoulders of brass going back, like, probably centuries. The history of the base level men (be it on land or at sea) being treated like shit probably stretches back through much of human history of organized combat. Sometimes due to cost, sometimes out of some pre-scientific "makes 'em tougher!", but definitely lots of history there and like a lot of institutional stuff gets hard to change because everyone in charge came through the same system "and we turned out fine!!"

      It's irritating though because we do know better and the situation has changed. In the past private industry treated workers like shit too, so no real difference. And a lot was sheer ignorance, low life expectancies, general poverty etc. None of that has been the case for awhile, but the US military has kinda coasted on leftover WW2 consensus and patriotism for 50 years after as private industry went through painful but important QoL improvements. Now they suddenly are finding they've built up this huge technical debt and there are no quick fixes to decades of neglect.

      But still it's just so fricking stupid. Like suppressors are a case in point, military is spending $1-2m per soldier, 4-5 figures on gun and now optics and so on, armor, all this kit, and they can't be assed to put on a $400 tube to help keep everyone from getting the EEEEEEEEEE and losing ability to enjoy music and their kids as much and shit? It's so fricking petty practically.

      also I'll add literally self-defeating because health shit IS expensive long term and the bill and scandals have definitely hit the military's image. Everyone heard about the Iraq burn pit shit and all that. Salary and bonuses only go so far for a job that's fundamentally unattractive.

      thank you for reading my gay neverserved blogpost

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It'll have to change anon. But it'll be slow, and the "I GOT MINE YOU HAVE TO SUFFER TOO YOU'RE UNMANLY IF YOU DON'T WANT HEARING LOSS AND BACK PAIN!" types need to go from the military.

        This is going to sound crazy but I'm actually kinda happy the military is accepting twinks and women and shit now. You need a base of people in the military who aren't brainwashed with this "80 kg packs are normal and if you think putting it on a truck is an option in a fricking training exercise you're a homosexual by the way here's your AC-130 if you wear a respirator you suck wieners cancer is a myth" bullshit. It'll take decades to wash out though.

        And yeah I completely agree with you anon. I would absolutely adore being an artilleryman or tanker, the job sounds incredibly cool, you could make friends, and tanks/huge cannons are just fricking neat. I have no problem with the risk entailed. I'm not American btw so this isn't just an American thing.

        But everything else is the problem. I don't want to slam my head against a hatch and be told to suck it up. I don't want to be put next to a gun firing repeatedly without PPE. I don't want to be forced to lug shells by myself to the point I throw out my back then told it's my fault and I just needed to try harder. I don't want the military to refuse to pay for my medical bills when I have hearing loss or back pain or knee damage after I leave.

        The pay and lack of freedom is a huge problem also. I do not, and will not, self identify as being "in the military". I am willing to serve, I'm willing to deploy, I'm willing to undergo training, but I'm not willing to destroy literally my entire present lifestyle to join. The reserves do not count as they're basically just clubs, if I want to serve my country on a part time basis I can go to one of the volunteer emergency services and do far more productive work with less risk, frick they'll pay for a truck license and teach me how to boat and shit.

        Another huge problem is the apparent culture and history of war crimes. I'm not a vatnik, I'm not a shill. My country's military has a cancerous toxic culture and it has been proven to have committed war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq. I understand it's different now but I am not willing to just walk into that without proof that the people aiding said war criminals are out of the service.

        Anyway that's a lot of words but yeah I agree with you. If there's a major existential war I'll sign up but not right now, frick that, the military has damaged its image too much.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Exactly. I've been trying to think of a tl;dr, I guess what I'm interested in is the army being capital-P Professional, like in the old quality company private industry sense. Good American businesses in the 50s maybe. Or today, absolutely there is real hardship and real danger in doing oil work in northern Alaska or whatever. But you're a professional adult, you're not expected to not have your own life, or not have a life after retirement or just moving to the next job.
          >Another huge problem is the apparent culture and history of war crimes. I'm not a vatnik, I'm not a shill. My country's military has a cancerous toxic culture and it has been proven to have committed war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq. I understand it's different now but I am not willing to just walk into that without proof that the people aiding said war criminals are out of the service.
          Hell I didn't even think of this, but yeah that's another thing: you're not expected to commit or look away from fricking horrendous crimes that at best will haunt you forever. "A few bad apples" will happen, but the ACTUAL old saying which somehow always has the last part cut off was "a few bad apples SPOILS THE BUNCH", as in you need to ruthless purge bad apples or the rot will spread through the whole barrel.

          On the US side it was so stupid and short sighted to let the spooks go back to bad old CIA style bullshit like torture and forever prison with no trial. It did absolutely nothing of real strategic value and stained everything it touched as well as being an enduring headache. Part of the point of having overwhelming power should be being able to "spend" some of that on maintaining the moral high ground.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >being ausfailian

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do you think I'm a bad person for not wanting to be in the same room as
            >Want me to drop this c**t?

            At least the British dude said something kinda cool about the mortal coil.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >My country's military has a cancerous toxic culture and it has been proven to have committed war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq
          Aussie?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I love how the US also did what could be termed as war crimes in both countries but my country got the reputation. But yes. I'm waiting for some super pissed off ex 2CDO moron to come in here and tell me I'm a pussy for not wanting to, how do they say it, drop c**ts? Oh wait no that's SAS sorry.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nah you definitely sound like a pussy. And that’s coming from a guy who told his own guys that he would bring them up on charges if they started murdering EPWs.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody cares what you want, homosexual.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >why aren't we recruiting enough specialized troops?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the big emphasis on rucking is another thing they probably should fix. why tf wants to join the military if you're guaranteed knee problems?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm just guessing here but the military, at least entry level, seems to be filled with low IQ minorities pursuing a better social class. Good for them. I think that's great but it wouldn't make me want to join if I weren't doing the same. You're going to be shoulder to shoulder with people that aren't necessarily your people, who may get you killed and listening to people yell at you, ordering you to do things like drive down roads that are known for IEDs. You give up your rights and are just meat for the grinder. What affluent person is going to do that for the sake of nobility and legacy when when there is nothing but distrust or disdain for the people in charge? You want to join the military so they can send you to confront the Texas National Guard? You want to join the military so the Houtis can shoot missiles at you without repercussions? You want to join the military to drive up and down a road lined with bombs?

        I mean hey, if that's your thing go for it. Thank you for your service.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        IMO, rucking is genuinely one of the things we will never truly replace. If you don't ruck at least monthly, your body will be fricking crushed when you need to do it for real.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I plan on joining the service in about a year, how much rucking should I be doing each month? I'm going to be an air force desk jockey so please don't make me destroy my joints for no reason
          I'm 19 btw

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Precisely zero.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            strap 2 bags of cement to your torso and run 3 miles in untied combat boots and no socks

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            As an airman? Start slow like with running with 3 miles the first week working up to 6-8 by the end of a month or two then taper off to one or two 6 miles a month just to maintain. Make sure you’re doing a lot of core/hip/leg work in the gym and running too because that will help significantly more than running alone. Realistically though, as an airman you can just squat and run and be fit enough to do any rucking they’ll throw your way

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Soldier loads are absurd and will remain that way because the (in practice) goal of light equipment is to recapture load capacity, not the load itself.

              A hypothetical weightless rifle would be nicer to handle but weight saved would be replaced by other desired objects. Better ways to move loads have a problem because they separate load from troop and there are many places vehicles cannot do last mile. Drones flying resupply are a fine idea but would be used for replenishment.

              Troops need as much organic firepower and sustainment as practical which means wearing or carrying a frickton. I see the price often when I go to the pain clinic.

              ^This and USAF PT standards were never very demanding. PT mostly exists because HFCS made America obese. I'm quite pro-cardio since later in life that saved my heart when an artery blocked.
              Cardio emphasis is a demonstrably good thing.

              The problem with rucking is you have a hard cap on diminishing returns around 45lb and doing 120lb damages your body dramatically more than it builds it. Additionally, if your body has tightness/imbalances at all rucking can frick you up very fast so all these privates surviving on tornadoes and monster get their shit pushed in because csm is a piece of shit who thinks weekly rucks helps anyone but his NCOER
              >t. Officer who’s seen tons of people get injured rucking

              I meet many injured soldiers at the pain clinic I go to not far from Fort Jackson. They toughed it out in service then retire even more damaged than normal for middle-aged men. Early back and leg damage ruins lives and that very much includes stupid lifting tricks. I used to like every other troop who hung and dropped wing tanks start the hardware then wiggle the frick out of the tank to get it seated. One fine day that wrasslin' fricked my back and despite successful discectomy & fusion the other parts they can't fix without fusing me into a totem pole (which just buys time and often fails) mean permanent pain and no sleep. Thanks to Tricare I get excellent civilian care or I'd be bankrupt.

              Take care of yourself and try to get your people aware of how they should lift and move because subtle changes matter.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            As an airman? Start slow like with running with 3 miles the first week working up to 6-8 by the end of a month or two then taper off to one or two 6 miles a month just to maintain. Make sure you’re doing a lot of core/hip/leg work in the gym and running too because that will help significantly more than running alone. Realistically though, as an airman you can just squat and run and be fit enough to do any rucking they’ll throw your way

            unironic airmen posting,
            gotta love it

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The problem with rucking is you have a hard cap on diminishing returns around 45lb and doing 120lb damages your body dramatically more than it builds it. Additionally, if your body has tightness/imbalances at all rucking can frick you up very fast so all these privates surviving on tornadoes and monster get their shit pushed in because csm is a piece of shit who thinks weekly rucks helps anyone but his NCOER
          >t. Officer who’s seen tons of people get injured rucking

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So instead guarantee it'll be crushed in advance?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That isn't even tangentially what he said, you applied an extreme to him saying "Yeah you should practice this thing".

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              nta but the problem is the "extreme" is literally what they do right now. I agree a reasonable amount of rucking is absolutely needed, but at like the 50-70 lbs, not 80-100. Unless the military can get those unpowered exoskeleton support things work.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I have honestly never seen a unit ruck with 80-100 pounds for training outside of SFAS or field events and I've been in for quite awhile. Every time I run my happy ass down Tennessee Avenue I see guys carrying 45~ pounds which seems to be the norm Army wide.

                Why wouldn't anyone care? Are you just mad about being proven wrong when you tried to pull some random bullshit?

                I'm not the guy you were responding to in the first place. You didn't prove me wrong, I just asked why you were butthurt about your hivemind.

                You wouldn’t make the military any better by doing so. The Marine Corps’ separate structure yields dividends by insulating its high motivation from lazy Big Army culture if nothing else.
                t. USMC and Army veteran

                >Marine Corps
                >High motivation compared to the Army
                Both are unironically the same beyond the most menial of surface level analysis
                t. 0311 now 11B, started my career in Weapons 3/6

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the big emphasis on rucking is another thing they probably should fix. why tf wants to join the military if you're guaranteed knee problems?

      Suppressors and Boston Dynamics ammo/sustainment mules so the average infantryman isn't lugging around more than 30% his body weight would be ideal.

      A lot of this is thanks to shills btw. Not sure if you're familiar but there was a controversy with the Germans' armored fighting vehicle a few years ago, supposedly the inside of the cabin wasn't unsafe for pregnant women so the troony/cuck/whatever Germans complained about it.

      In reality the gun was venting fumes into the cabin to the extent that it was unsafe, by law, for pregnant women to be inside. It was toxic. But the right wing media latched onto "THE GOVERNMENT IS OBSESSED WITH FEMINISM!" and turned it into a political thing rather than the government rightfully complaining about unsafe equipment. If it's unsafe for pregnant women, it's unsafe for everyone.

      >the gun was venting fumes into the cabin to the extent that it was unsafe, by law, for pregnant women to be inside.

      Considering double or more (of prospective offspring) as acceptable casualties as combatants is the substantial moral insanity in this case. Women should be strictly pogues.

      I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic/making a joke or not but if not I'm sorry anon but no, not absolutely not everyone has tinnitus or even serious high/mid frequency hearing loss.

      [...]
      Yeah absolutely. Soldiers certainly need physical fitness, but the army just piling on the weight like the human frame can do whatever is stupid. I've done 60 lbs on my back over three weeks hiking through Maine and that was already a lot when I was 10 years younger. 80-100+ lbs? Just to "be tough"? Frick you.

      And you're right to bring it up because that one is an ongoing problem. Just look at NGSW, military didn't even pretend to care about weight or service rifle quality, they picked the fattest b***h with the heaviest ammo and just piled on another few pounds like nothing, even given the chance to explore a whole new tech (poly case) that could actually cut weight for once.

      Ligaments and cartilage don't grow back and shouldn't be treated as such. Dump the rucking and get systematic about body building, more gym time.

      I'm just guessing here but the military, at least entry level, seems to be filled with low IQ minorities pursuing a better social class. Good for them. I think that's great but it wouldn't make me want to join if I weren't doing the same. You're going to be shoulder to shoulder with people that aren't necessarily your people, who may get you killed and listening to people yell at you, ordering you to do things like drive down roads that are known for IEDs. You give up your rights and are just meat for the grinder. What affluent person is going to do that for the sake of nobility and legacy when when there is nothing but distrust or disdain for the people in charge? You want to join the military so they can send you to confront the Texas National Guard? You want to join the military so the Houtis can shoot missiles at you without repercussions? You want to join the military to drive up and down a road lined with bombs?

      I mean hey, if that's your thing go for it. Thank you for your service.

      >What affluent person is going to do that for the sake of nobility and legacy when when there is nothing but distrust or disdain for the people in charge?

      Less of an issue in Europe with conscription and better (and tiered by merit) education system(s). SOL in the US without joining an elite specialized unit, and the college officer track isn't any guarantee of not being beholden to morons up the food chain that started as aforementioned social striver midwit at best grunts.

      https://i.imgur.com/MPYAAT6.png

      Bros...

      >t. sounds good on paper but will exclusively be used to backdoor foreign nationals as a 5th column with high education/ability to eventually do serious seditious damage while covering & promoting their assets over and above actual Americans

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Suppressors and Boston Dynamics ammo/sustainment mules so the average infantryman isn't lugging around more than 30% his body weight would be ideal.
        I guarantee you we will still be lugging all that weight and they will load up even more gear on the mule—and when it breaks down we’ll get to ruck that too.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As always /k/ will always take the easy route and justify the current doctrine/equipment/choices etc, only to have collective amnesia when proved wrong, and will pretend they were in favor of a change all along. The question of military suppressors is merely the most striking of this phenomena. I remember when the question of suppressors regularly came up, and 99% of responses were extremely negative. But don't worry, if we ever move away from military suppressors, you can expect these pro-suppressor opinions expressed here in this thread to disappear, never to resurface again. And these anti-suppressor quotes that was a staple of old /k/ will reappear, as if they were never gone at all.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What the frick? People were always pro-suppressor. I remember threads about this as far back as 2017 freaking out about the USMC suppressor tests where an entire infantry squad could basically chat normally during an engagement.

      They found out tinnitus claims are more expensive than just buying suppressors.

      Apparently being semi-quiet helps too when your enemy has 8+ unsuppressed rifles blasting away deafening everyone. They'll hear the snaps but have a bit of trouble hearing the bangs.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Funny you should say that, because 2017 is exactly when the shift happened due to the NSGW.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          BLT 3/5 all had suppressors when we deployed in 2017 too. Supposedly they cost only $30 per unit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You do know that fricking everyone can look at the archive, right?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You do know that fricking everyone can look at the archive, right?
        how

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Desuarchive. Tbh I don't understand where that anon got the "suppressors are shit!" stuff from, suppressors being great PPE tools has always been a line thrown around on this board. They reduce hearing damage and noise.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Tbh I don't understand where that anon got the "suppressors are shit!" stuff from
            nta but I did see some of that in the past, not just here but other forums, and it basically was cope because suppressors were a pain for civilians to get. Remember, when the NFA first happened, in today's dollars the stamp would be like $4500, it was explicitly designed to be exclusively for rich people. Inflation generally gets decried, but it's one of the few places where the people have benefited. Even 20-30 years ago stamp was still effectively double and there was vastly less competition, guides to dealing with the process, helpful sources and aids like kiosks (let alone eforms). Since people couldn't get them, lots of memes developed about how they weren't actually useful or important. And flat out marketing too, not like gun manufacturers wanted people hesitating about guns due to noise. Plus a vicious spiral, if you don't know anyone with a can, you don't know what you're missing, so you aren't as likely to demand it either, which just helps keep the train going.

            I'm not even mad at the memes, because it's not people's fault it's the fricking 1930s fascist government bullshit still biting us in the ass almost a century later. If suppressors had never been on the NFA they'd be more the rule then the exception, cheap and available, with ample easy integral options on top.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Suppressors increase the length of the rifle.
              Suppressors add unwanted weight to the muzzle.
              Suppressor get extremely hot and are a burn hazard.
              Suppressors require you to keep paperwork with the gun.
              Suppressors are a pain to clean and hold unhealthy chemicals.
              Suppressors cause more gas to the user.
              Suppressors make the gun run dirty.
              Suppressors make pistols less reliable.
              Suppressors cost as much as another gun.

              Anyway, I own 4 of them now and they're pretty great.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://desuarchive.org/k/
          https://archived.moe/k/

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >only to have collective amnesia when proved wrong, and will pretend they were in favor of a change all along
      This, lmao

      They found out tinnitus claims are more expensive than just buying suppressors.

      You do know that fricking everyone can look at the archive, right?

      Meanwhile in real life:
      https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/29331662/#29331662
      Not a single pro-supressor post. At that point in time, it was regarded as a tiresome question to the point of almost being a troll, one of those things that people reply to just to tell you to frick off and stop asking.

      I've even found someone b***hing about the flipping in opinions back in 2017, you can see how nobody disagreed. No need to tell people to "check the archive" back then.
      https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/33567949/#33568963

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are you unironically b***hing that your hivemind secret website isn't actually an unchanging hivemind

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm btiching that posters will "gaslight" themselves and even others into pretending it had that opinion all along.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Alright, which brings me to my next question: Why do you care?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why wouldn't anyone care? Are you just mad about being proven wrong when you tried to pull some random bullshit?

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They found out tinnitus claims are more expensive than just buying suppressors.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Marine Corps should be dissolved and reintegrated with the Navy and Army, change my mind.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, because those are garbage bureaucracies that need to seethe at crayon-eaters doing things better than they do at a fraction of the budget.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You wouldn’t make the military any better by doing so. The Marine Corps’ separate structure yields dividends by insulating its high motivation from lazy Big Army culture if nothing else.
      t. USMC and Army veteran

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Suppressors are nice and I highly recommend them but doesn't everyone have tinnitus?
    I mean that seriously, I don't think I've ever not heard the ringing when it's quiet.
    It would freak me out if there suddenly wasn't ringing.
    It's not like over top of any other sound. I mean, any background noise and the ringing isn't there or isn't notices but right now there's a constant tone in my ear. Some of you don't have that?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic/making a joke or not but if not I'm sorry anon but no, not absolutely not everyone has tinnitus or even serious high/mid frequency hearing loss.

      the big emphasis on rucking is another thing they probably should fix. why tf wants to join the military if you're guaranteed knee problems?

      Yeah absolutely. Soldiers certainly need physical fitness, but the army just piling on the weight like the human frame can do whatever is stupid. I've done 60 lbs on my back over three weeks hiking through Maine and that was already a lot when I was 10 years younger. 80-100+ lbs? Just to "be tough"? Frick you.

      And you're right to bring it up because that one is an ongoing problem. Just look at NGSW, military didn't even pretend to care about weight or service rifle quality, they picked the fattest b***h with the heaviest ammo and just piled on another few pounds like nothing, even given the chance to explore a whole new tech (poly case) that could actually cut weight for once.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic/making a joke
        Not really but I feel like I've always had it and it's hardly ever a bother. Keep shooting, you'll see.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Not really but I feel like I've always had it and it's hardly ever a bother
          Well unironically I'm really glad your case at least isn't driving you crazy like some people's.
          >Keep shooting, you'll see.
          I exclusively shoot suppressed with electronic earpro on top. I guess we'll see but I'm in my 40s now and after 25+ years of shooting still good, and I plan to keep it that way.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cool, but sincerely you're telling me if you sit in a quiet room. Like you turn everything off and there's no train going by or something, you don't hear any constant tone? At this point that just seems weird. Maybe I can remember that? I don't know. It's not like remember something not being there before it existed.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Cool, but sincerely you're telling me if you sit in a quiet room. Like you turn everything off and there's no train going by or something, you don't hear any constant tone?
              No. I live in a rural area, closest road is a half mile away, closest neighbor 1/4 mile, no trains for tens of miles, it can get real quiet particularly in the winter. No sound at all on a still night, but I hear nothing. And last time I got tested I still had decent higher range hearing for my age, though I have suffered some damage, haven't always been perfect in earpro and power tools etc particularly when I was young and (more) moronic.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'm not

              >Cool, but sincerely you're telling me if you sit in a quiet room. Like you turn everything off and there's no train going by or something, you don't hear any constant tone?
              No. I live in a rural area, closest road is a half mile away, closest neighbor 1/4 mile, no trains for tens of miles, it can get real quiet particularly in the winter. No sound at all on a still night, but I hear nothing. And last time I got tested I still had decent higher range hearing for my age, though I have suffered some damage, haven't always been perfect in earpro and power tools etc particularly when I was young and (more) moronic.

              or

              >Not really but I feel like I've always had it and it's hardly ever a bother
              Well unironically I'm really glad your case at least isn't driving you crazy like some people's.
              >Keep shooting, you'll see.
              I exclusively shoot suppressed with electronic earpro on top. I guess we'll see but I'm in my 40s now and after 25+ years of shooting still good, and I plan to keep it that way.

              but I know what you're talking about. I'm 99% sure I don't have hearing damage of any sort but occasionally, when it's very quiet, I do sometimes get visited by the Spirit of EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE for like, 30 seconds or so and then it goes away. Rarely happens though, but seems to happen only in absolute silence

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I do sometimes get visited by the Spirit of EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE for like, 30 seconds or so
                So do I , I have read that that is quite normal and happens to most people from time to time.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he doesn’t have tinnitus
        Post guns rn homosexual. There’s no way you aren’t a tourist

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sig was the lightest rifle among contestants though.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Unironically, source? And was that with the steel hybrid ammo and suppressor? I can't find anything anymore, only the XM7 data remains, but the XM7 is a chunky rifle. 8.4 lbs bare, but then a pretty heavy can so 9.84 lbs total. We know the ammo for the others was much lighter, had much lighter cans, but also longer barrels. Genuinely curious because my recollection was that testers said the Sig was the heaviest rifle as a total package, but that may be totally wrong. Would be nice to see a table of the final 3 contestants full package.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It could be electronics causing eee and not tinitus.even when its off as long as its plugged in.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That’s been the plan for like a decade. Cans come standard with the IAR already and have since it was introduced.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm more doubtful that they're actually going to issue every soldier a sidearm pistol since that seems fricking moronic.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bros...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like a great idea with the condition that you need to be really careful about where you place these people and what scenarios they can lead troops in. I wouldn't want to be under the command of a sergeant during a sudden attack when he's just a pencil pusher and has never commanded troops in battle.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      all applicants with a graduate degree in physics or engineering gets to be a corporal. neat I'm sure thats going to draw them in big time

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I had seriously considered pursuing a degree in physics but had no idea what I'd do with it. I didn't want to teach. Honestly, if I had known there was an option to jump in with like a guaranteed job as a corporal, I probably would have majored in physics.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          physicists have some of the lowest levels of unemployment. I'm sure there are moto nerds out there but most of them seem content to do research or lab work

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I had seriously considered pursuing a degree in physics but had no idea what I'd do with it. I didn't want to teach. Honestly, if I had known there was an option to jump in with like a guaranteed job as a corporal, I probably would have majored in physics.

        I've got a Master's in Biochemistry and after getting rejected by my first round of PhD applications and failing to find reasonable job offers I was seriously considering an Army CBRN or Navy NCIS position that kept popping up on Indeed. If lateral entry were a thing (and I knew about it) I'd have been sorely tempted.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, I took a year of entry level physics in college and got the highest grade in the class both semesters. I like math too, not particularly good at it but I like it. The thing is we were poor, moved around a lot growing up, holes in my shoes in high school etc and I had no idea what anyone would do with a degree in physics. I still don't know what your average person would do with a degree in physics. It seems like if you aren't the very small minority of research geniuses, then you work as a teacher.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think a friend got his degree in physics and went right to China Lake. It might have been engineering though. If you're any good with computers I'm sure there's plenty of research geniuses that want help with their computer simulations.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is so fricking moronic, lmfao. What kind of actual, unironic moron would join the Marine Corps, with a fricking degree in a STEM field, just to be a Corporal?

      Also, isn't "Corporal of Marines" a proud title specifically because we earned it through service and not direct-non-commission bullshit?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So copying the Navy's lead with ODS for people who need officer rank to manage an office and get payed at the right level, but aren't ever going to be leading men into battle and as such don't need to be held to, read: not bother to apply because of, excessive standards. I may have to stop calling the Marines crayon eaters if they keep this up.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >and be better protected from hearing loss
    I can appreciate that
    EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    and I want every civilian to have a suppressor by 2030

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So from what I understand is that design 2030 focuses marines against the chinese on islands. To do so is to make marines forces smaller in signature, and give them weapons like suicide drones and missile batteries to deny access. The marines becoming smaller and having more scouting ability. The reason for supressors im guessing is giving them a better first strike ability, infantry also getting lighter javelins, and better rifle sights to do so.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Suppressors have been getting better and prices have been falling. We're also more concious about hearing damage and battlefield awareness. Being able to hear your enemies coming is actually pretty important.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because every other pigger has a supressed AK. And the experiences show.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The Marine Corp wants every soldier
    >soldier
    Yeah

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do soldiers wear earpro? It seems that would be a disadvantage in a fight but if they don't then they blow out their eardrums. Maybe this is just to protect their ears.
    By 2030, wouldn't there be cheap AI devices programmed to pick up sounds of gunfire and where/how far it's coming from? I assume that already exists so by 2030 it would be widespread enough that trying to hide your gunfire would be futile

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What they should do is limit every infrantrymen's carry weight to 50lbs max for the fastest field movement. And introduce metal foam helmets, did you know metal foam protects against firearm shockwave induced ptsd brain damage, this includes from artillery and rocket fire, unlike a solid helmet design. If you replace their armor plates with ar500 metal foam and metal foam helmets while keeping each of their carry weight to 50lbs max, you won't have reenlistment knee issues, and no more ptsd issues due to metal foam dissipating the shockwaves perfectly and a ultrafast infrantry.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I do not believe that's how PTSD works. It seems far more likely to come from being naive about how violence actually works and what it is.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I do not believe that's how PTSD works.
        Probably meant shellshock (and in general concussion from explosion, even you're own like shooting a shouldered rocket launcher couple mm from your head)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it was probably a bot post, that has no actual idea what human "suffering" actually is, and boils it down to physical trauma

        anyway, youre right, ~~*PTSD*~~ is absolutely the product of not having a realistic reference frame to what violence actually looks like, and actually feels like to "commit" or be on the recieving end of

        its probably natural, and should be natural to have a negative reaction to the experience, as the opposite is essentially sociopathy

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I could imagine them being useful for night and urban combat but for general patrol it would add weight to a gun you would hardly ever fire. Mine adds more than a pound to the end of the muzzle. I suppose you could take it off when not needed and carry it in your kit somewhere.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"they wear out too fast"?
    Videogame Gameplay Balance

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    every single last fricking argument AGAINST suppressors is nearly 1:1 identical to the argument that came up when magazine fed vs internal mag (garand) came about
    >the soldiers will lose them
    >no one will keep track of the magazine
    >they will get broken/dirty/etc
    >*more cope*
    untill it became fricking obvious detachable magazine were an absolute boon, and the only way forward

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Today on /k/. OP discovers that gear improves over time.

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