The M1 Abrams is a maintenance hog, but is it really outside of the realm of being serviceable by Ukrainians?

The M1 Abrams is a maintenance hog, but is it really outside of the realm of being serviceable by Ukrainians?

They are using so many different vehicle platforms from so many different eras from multiple countries, how would the abrams strain them further?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, most of the logistics bases for them are in the US, plus they're heavy as shit which is an issue in areas with lots of bridges.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >make a bridge with all the ex-soviet armor
      Russia already tried doing that at a crossing, remember?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just keeping them fuelled will be a challenge.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They only have to make a single one way trip to the front

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe Im a retard but doesn't the M1 have a big power-pack in the back with all the powertrain bits?

    What if they just swapped out powerpacks and sent the busted ones to Poland? Am I being retarded or is that the obvious solution?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Maybe Im a retard
      It's a possibility
      >doesn't the M1 have a big power-pack in the back with all the powertrain bits?
      Yes
      >What if they just swapped out powerpacks and sent the busted ones to Poland?
      And then what? The facilities to rebuild the power packs, and anything else on those tanks are in the U.S.

      It would require training on properly operating the advanced FCS and using a tank without an autoloader, which they're not used to. Give it some time though and I think they're next after western IFVs.

      >It would require training on properly operating the advanced FCS
      All those training facilities are also in the U.S.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well hopefully Poland gets some Abrams repair facilities because they're supposed to operate hundreds of them

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >gets some Abrams repair facilities
          Not sure what they would do there. The U.S. Army Depots can completely strip down an entire Abrams and rebuild/upgrade it. Same is true of the power packs, which require a total rebuild after so many hours of operation. They get a total assembly line disassembly and rebuild.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >all of those training facilities are in the US

        If you don’t know what you’re talking about why even open your mouth. There are portable simulators the size of a tractor trailer the Army brings with them when a heavy unit deploys, those same systems can be given to Ukraine. To be clear I’m not even advocating for Abrams to be sent to Ukraine, but any argument about it not happening because it’s “just too hard man” is defeatist R*ssian bullshit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >but any argument about it not happening because it’s “just too hard man” is defeatist R*ssian bullshit.
          >not logistically or economically feasible
          >REEEEEEEEE RUSSSSSIAIIAIAIAIAIAIAI
          LOL, seethe harder you dumb moron.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    whats the point???? just give favorable deals in literally anything to ex PACT countries and you have more heavy equipment on the ground day one.
    >I know that I can beat this enemy. But I need resources. I need 300 tanks, 600-700 ifvs, 500 Howitzers. Then, I think it is completely realistic to get to the lines of February 23rd.
    you retards read that and think "OH lets go get like 50 abrams that will surely turn the tide because that tank 1v1 is better than t72b3!!!! thats how this works right??"
    you can literally fill his demands in 1 (one) day by letting romania and bulgaria into schengen and some extra deals or something

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're right, the US and Korea should hurry up on their tank deliveries to Poland so Poland can send their 200+ PT-91 Twardy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >letting romania into schengen
      Yeah, nah. We get too many gypsies from EE already.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How are they any better than a Leopard?

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It would require training on properly operating the advanced FCS and using a tank without an autoloader, which they're not used to. Give it some time though and I think they're next after western IFVs.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    M1 Abrams is both a fuel and maintenance hog. I think we are a few months away from the tank being sent there anyways. Ukraine is losing men and equipment at an unsustainable rate so the most logical thing to do is send more shit over there to get blown to smithereens.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ukraine is losing men and equipment at an unsustainable rate
      oh do tell me some of your other views on the conflict

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Men are not so much a problem as equipment degradation through simply using it in war. Stuff breaks and needs to be replaced. Eventually the T series operated by Ukraine will need to be overhauled or replaced.
      Not training Ukrainians on western tanks now would be retarded so it’s a safe assumption that it is already happening for 3-6 months. The biggest issue is that sending them in anything but battalion size batches makes zero sense. You would then have to train up all the support staff to keep a tank battalion going too. This takes considerable time and effort. It’s not likely NATO had working programs for training Ukrainian tank battalions with western equipment before the war.
      The entire arming and training plan for Ukraine is likely at least a 18 month program, being updated whenever it enters new phases. Even if the plan was put into place in march or april, we would likely not see tank battalions being sent before the first anniversary of the war.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They literally have more tanks and armored vehicles now than they had in February of last year.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do they, though? There are no reliable sources on combat losses and other write offs due to equipment breaking. You do understand that machines break through constant use, right? Even if they have more hulls, that doesn’t mean that they have serviceable tanks.
        Same goes for Russia by the way. How many of the tanks in theater need factory refurbishment by now and have to be kept in the field because there are not enough service slots open?

        One reason NATO is starting to send western equipment is that there are actually spare parts available and there is enough industry capacity to keep rotating out spent equipment.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    America doesnt want her virgin tank getting violated, engaging a near pear enemy tends to dispel illusions of invincibility.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Abrams really isn't worth transporting.
    >reeee
    They could get far more bang for their buck transporting Bradley's and M113's to help move troops and supplies in high artillery threat zones.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this WILL be the first western tank sent to Ukraine and you WILL like it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      YES, I want to see the M60A3 so bad.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Abrams being too "whatever" for any country other than the US to use is such a painfully midwit take, it's become something people "know" without asking why. Sprey's brain virus lives on in PrepHole

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why give them to the Ukrainians when you can sell them to the rest of Europe?
    What are they going to do, build their own? In this economy?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      With the money Ukraine gets, they could probably buy a few using the US credit card.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >M1 Abrams
    >Ukraine

    NO!
    THE SIERRA ARMY DEPOT MUST GROW!

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This constant 'maintenace' cry is just stupid.

    It takes a 16 year old high school drop out 18 months to be a diesal mechanic, similar for any other mech trade.

    Nothing special about a tank except for the turbine. But you know what else use the exact same kind of engines? Every jet engine aircraft.

    It's not some estoric arcane knowledge, it's just a few tools and a big manual.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's not some estoric arcane knowledge, it's just a few tools and a big manual.
      >$0.10 has been deposited into your account
      Sorry Vlod, you're still not getting MBTs.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NTA, but I don't know what you're even trying to say. Even aircraft maintenance is done by big fucking manuals, they're there for a reason. Training is literally the same, do shit by the book while you're being observed/assisted by someone who's done it countless times. The only time magic gets involved is when you don't have an APU to use and your SNCO bringsck the extra he took to his house because it was going to be scrapped and extra parts simply aren't manufactured anymore.

        Americans do it for fucking free, by the way, because we know we can back the shit we talk.
        >t. Harrier mech

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Fix this turbine power pack with a manual and a big wrench
          You're fucking retarded. Abrams power packs are pulled after so many hours of operation, stripped, inspected and rebuilt on an assembly line.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't know the difference between I and O level maintenance
            The power pack is pulled and replaced with another power pack at the lower level of maintenance. The pulled power pack that gets sent off is worked on by a higher level of maintenance, and gets pushed back to lower level when it's finished. You don't know shit.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dumb moron. Nothing you said disagrees with anything I said. You fucking retards are just assuming that there are spare power packs, and facilities to swap them, and depot level repair to rebuild them.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And you're implying they won't be, coming from a country who has that kind of thing locked down I simply don't believe you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                there's a hundred depots just across the border

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You really can't be that stupid. They were designed and made with a plan on usage and maintenance. There are spares as intended that would be shipped with the maintenance teams out of theatre.
                The shill level on every Abrams thread show how much they fear the deployment

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don't project the inadequacies of your country onto mine.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                moron whatever else you may say about the US military, they are without question or shadow of doubt the best logisticians in the world. They really do have everything you listed.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Iraqis used them just fine. They've been lost and blown up before, both in Iraqi and Saudi service. American too, but IIRC those have been mobility kills resulting in controlled detonations, or friendly fire like in ODS.

          Neither the maintenance nor the "loss of face" arguments make sense due to the above. Abrams would work fine in Ukraine, but Ukraine already has a fuck load of tanks thanks to the generous donations of Russia and former Warzaw Pact countries. Tanks their logistics trains and training is already geared for. They got IFVs because they lacked them.

          Not saying Leos and Abrams aren't being kept back because of worries about losing face, I don't know what decision makers are thinking, but I am saying I doubt it's the primary reason because they have both been BTFO before in the service of various sandmorons.

          You really can't be that stupid. They were designed and made with a plan on usage and maintenance. There are spares as intended that would be shipped with the maintenance teams out of theatre.
          The shill level on every Abrams thread show how much they fear the deployment

          >Maintenance hog
          A fucking meme, Abrams is used by inbred Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia and Iraq

          Seriously all this is correct, wtf is it about the Abrams that brings retards out of the woodwork? Like look at this shit:

          Just keeping them fuelled will be a challenge.

          >Just keeping them fuelled will be a challenge.
          THE ENTIRE FUCKING POINT OF THE TURBINE WAS THAT IT'D RUN ON ANYTHING. US Army has standardized on just using JP everywhere because they care more about the logistic benefits of uniformity then cost per gallon or availability, but the Abrams itself can be topped off with gas or diesel or crude oil or fucking used deep fry restaurant oil in a pinch. There will be maintenance implications eventually, and flexibility was never necessarily worth it to America itself in retrospect, but still flexibility was a whole selling point.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, because few tools cost nothing and just pop up randomly in nature.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    america should have sent every mothballed bradley and m60/m48 to ukraine

    they would take crimea before june

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You do understand that creating combat ready armored formations is a little more complicated than sending the equipment, have them read the manual and point in the general direction of the enemy, right?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nonsense, you just click the production button in the right side menu and then upgrade them with TOW missiles.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know what game you're referencing but this really puts me in the mood for some CoH/MoW. Still undecided about CoH 3.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            C&C Generals, but that had Humvees with TOW upgrades, not Bradleys.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Unfortunately one of the C&C games I skipped out on, but I think it's sitting uninstalled from EA's game browser. Should give it a go. I was a Red Alert babby and it reminded me to stick to platformers. Appreciated.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Or you build a deck in advance and wait for sufficient command points, I know.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >mothballed m60/m48
      retard alert

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Iraqis used them just fine. They've been lost and blown up before, both in Iraqi and Saudi service. American too, but IIRC those have been mobility kills resulting in controlled detonations, or friendly fire like in ODS.

    Neither the maintenance nor the "loss of face" arguments make sense due to the above. Abrams would work fine in Ukraine, but Ukraine already has a fuck load of tanks thanks to the generous donations of Russia and former Warzaw Pact countries. Tanks their logistics trains and training is already geared for. They got IFVs because they lacked them.

    Not saying Leos and Abrams aren't being kept back because of worries about losing face, I don't know what decision makers are thinking, but I am saying I doubt it's the primary reason because they have both been BTFO before in the service of various sandmorons.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot pic.

      >Maintenance hog
      A fucking meme, Abrams is used by inbred Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia and Iraq

      I for some reason have a fascination with Iraqi Abrams. I just think they're neat.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Maintenance hog
    A fucking meme, Abrams is used by inbred Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia and Iraq

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Abrams is used by inbred Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia and Iraq
      Aren't those oil-rich nations full of US contractors who can do the maintenance for them? The Ukrainians need tanks they can do maintenance on site, not having to rely on Americans in Poland. I say this as much as I would like to see an Abrams in Ukrainian camo.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The hohols already operate gas turbine tanks in the T-80, it's not like it's a foreign concept

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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