>Fast draw >duels >originally just a backup sidearm >glorified by tv and movies >legendary period of time that was actually very short >a few real happenings turns into a hundred myths
The correct answer
Desert Eagle >Heavy for a sword >Hits very hard >Unreliable/damage prone >Must be maintained to a high degree or it won't work >Screentime whore in all media >Has a mythic reputation but actually pretty shit >Idiots and noguns/swords think they are the best thing ever
>Heavy for a sword
No? The fuck are you talking about? Name one historical katana that was heavier than a european longsword that wasn't one of those longer versions used exclusively on horseback
>Immediately goes to longsword without realizing they are similar in weight even with a massive crossguard and pommel. >But....but here is a wakizashi compared to a claymore!!! You are le dum >Arming swords, sabers, rapiers, short swords etc. don't exist
Katana are on average heavier for their length due to their blade construction requiring a thick profile. They are also less handy for lacking the aforementioned counterweight, so yes my points stands. I did not state the Desert Eagle was the heaviest handgun, nor did I state a katana was the heaviest sword.
>Name one historical katana that was heavier than a european longsword
The problem is the things get lighter through polishing, the original blade profile and weight is gone, the weight under these circumstances is in the 0.9 to 1.2 kg range, with a 60cm blade.
But you're also comparing apples and oranges, e.g. these are exact copies of museum pieces (both around 1.15 kg in spite of heavier grip construction), the blades alone are however similar in length to a antique katana.
I once saw a TV show on shit like that where this Marine weapons expert dude guy said something that always stuck with me.
"People misunderstand the Katana. The Katana is not a weapon made for fighting. It's made for killing. You did not clash and block and perry with a Katana, you maneuvered into place and the fasted warrior with the sharpest eye cut off the other guy's head."
So basically one of the reasons a katana sucks compared to a broad sword is because it's not actually an analogue of western swords. It needs constant maintenance because you're supposed to use it for one cutting blow and call it a day.
This is retarded, Japanese swords were stress tested and used on battlefields. They've existed in the form we know them since around 1000AD and were used against the Mongols.
Both are good comparisons, the problem is the lack of people running around claiming the SSA is the best gun ever made and to currently carry.
The perfect equivalent would be a revolver that works OK for EDC and is claimed to be more accurate than anything else if made from steel mined in the grand canyon or sth.
The 1911 is closer based on cult following. It's fairly old-fashioned, works but is nothing special compared to other stuff out there.
I was arguing from a practical point of view, not one of available spectrum of quality.
It's actually a point making it very similar to katana.
You might want to buy a good quality schiavona pic related, but unfortunately all smiths are making katana variants at different price-points and quality levels, from cheap crap to American custom L6.
There might be occasional ones not making hand fitted 1911s (katana) ... but a Pardini GT9 (cup hilt rapier) or sphinx 3000 (Schweizersäbel) might not be what you're looking for.
The high quality variant of your preferred handgun simply not existing.
Yeah, the reason 1911 derivatives are preferred by competition shooters and 1911s are preferred by custom smiths is that they have the best potential for trigger quality of any design—no other pistol trigger can be made perfect, as far as I know. Eg, hi powers also have had a high end custom market going since the early 80s and nobody who collects them would claim that even $6000 Yost-Bonitz Hi Powers have triggers comparable to a custom 1911. Similarly, JJ Racaza, Beretta’s highest paid sponsored shooter, has a custom single-action-only 92 performance open gun, and despite 3 years of iterative R&D the trigger is not even close to comparable in his opinion to a 2011/1911. Barring ergonomic issues, which the 1911 doesn’t have, things like mag capacity and cartridge are not inherent to the platform; there are double stack 1911s and 1911s available in any popular pistol caliber.
With the SAA fading to relative obscurity in modern day, I would also argue that the 1911 is more closely associated with Americana. The same way that the katana is closely associated with Japanese culture.
.45 acp in general & 1911s in particular >overpriced >outdated >less effective >less reliable >shitheads argue about it >people only like it for the larp & history >anyone with actual practical considerations uses something else
A katana is quick draw, high precision weapon, also a fancy heirloom with unnecessary expensive fanciness THEREFORE a high end commander length 1911 with all kinds of fancy bling shit, is the katana of handguns
>Which gun do you consider the katana of handguns?
Handmade,
highly refined,
requires skill to match the innate ability of the firearm and reach it's potential,
Expensive
Revolvers. >valid and useful for their time >now a relic of history that is hilariously outclassed by other weapons in its class not long after the peak of their use >now incredibly impractical >carried stereotypically by a type of warrior that was blind by a certain code of honor when dueling >popularized heavily by movies and anime >now beloved by fedora-sporters and wannabe-sophisticated guys who may or may not routinely wear the ugly type of trenchcoat
The only one who gets to use it is some dipshit who half the country hates and he's too much of a pussy to use it against the other dipshits who keep mocking him.
The real answer is the handgun, period. Hollywood and Americans in general are obsessed with them and mythologize them even though they’re impractical, ineffective and there are better firearm options for every fighting task. Half of any given GQ dude’s belt is dedicated to a backup gun he will never draw because he should always be using his rifle. It’s his nippon steel.
>handgun cope
CC is a result of the state imposing a bunch of legal bullshit on you regarding what you are allowed to carry and how you are allowed to carry it, not because it is the optimal firearm for the task of defending yourself. You carry a subcompact because you’re forced to, not because it’s good.
>crafted from chiniesium to literal meteors >special care and craftsmanship for bespoke pieces and rasped rattle traps for poors >has its merits and is still very effective albeit limited compared to modern counterparts >has a special place in the heart boomers
1911
The Beretta Model 92. >style over substance >shitty manufacturers copy the shit out of it >fragile anyways >seen at one point as the pinnacle of weapons in its class >actual use proved otherwise >still to this day people think it's good even though it is virtually extinct
The Colts SAA. Any other answer is just plain wrong. >memed to death. >an entire culture build around them. >have biggest number of fans among gunfag and normie. >look cool. >best (useless) techniques. >iaido = fast draw.
I associate the Browning Hipower with fedora clad gentLEmen the same way I do the katana. >outdated >"obscure" >still effective because human biology hasn't changed, but surpassed by modern competitors
>boomers exaggerated its virtues
>zoomers exaggerated its flaws
>but deep down it just werks
Glock.
Not antiquated enough, it has to be something old-fashioned with a shape dictated by the production method.
It's the 1911 and it's not even close
Are you retarded? Honest question
>Primary weapon of a late-period warrior class prior to consolidation by the state
The Colt SAA, of course
Clint Eastwood's character in the dollars trilogy was based on a ronin armed with a katana, I came to this thread looking for this answer.
>Fast draw
>duels
>originally just a backup sidearm
>glorified by tv and movies
>legendary period of time that was actually very short
>a few real happenings turns into a hundred myths
The correct answer
Desert Eagle
>Heavy for a sword
>Hits very hard
>Unreliable/damage prone
>Must be maintained to a high degree or it won't work
>Screentime whore in all media
>Has a mythic reputation but actually pretty shit
>Idiots and noguns/swords think they are the best thing ever
>Heavy for a sword
No? The fuck are you talking about? Name one historical katana that was heavier than a european longsword that wasn't one of those longer versions used exclusively on horseback
>Immediately goes to longsword without realizing they are similar in weight even with a massive crossguard and pommel.
>But....but here is a wakizashi compared to a claymore!!! You are le dum
>Arming swords, sabers, rapiers, short swords etc. don't exist
Katana are on average heavier for their length due to their blade construction requiring a thick profile. They are also less handy for lacking the aforementioned counterweight, so yes my points stands. I did not state the Desert Eagle was the heaviest handgun, nor did I state a katana was the heaviest sword.
Go to sleep, Shad, you've got church to attend tomorrow.
>Name one historical katana that was heavier than a european longsword
The problem is the things get lighter through polishing, the original blade profile and weight is gone, the weight under these circumstances is in the 0.9 to 1.2 kg range, with a 60cm blade.
But you're also comparing apples and oranges, e.g. these are exact copies of museum pieces (both around 1.15 kg in spite of heavier grip construction), the blades alone are however similar in length to a antique katana.
https://www.albion-swords.com/The%20Soborg.html 92cm blade
https://www.albion-swords.com/The%20Cluny.html 98cm blade
https://www.samuraimuseum.jp/shop/product-tag/nbthk-hozon/
Comparing them makes little sense, we are dealing with curved swords similar in production methods to swords 1000 years earlier in Europe.
The European katana, "mythical" and elaborate in forging method is the spatha and "viking" sword not the longsword.
I once saw a TV show on shit like that where this Marine weapons expert dude guy said something that always stuck with me.
"People misunderstand the Katana. The Katana is not a weapon made for fighting. It's made for killing. You did not clash and block and perry with a Katana, you maneuvered into place and the fasted warrior with the sharpest eye cut off the other guy's head."
So basically one of the reasons a katana sucks compared to a broad sword is because it's not actually an analogue of western swords. It needs constant maintenance because you're supposed to use it for one cutting blow and call it a day.
This is retarded, Japanese swords were stress tested and used on battlefields. They've existed in the form we know them since around 1000AD and were used against the Mongols.
That marine went one crayon too far.
WHAT THE FUCK
HOLY SHIT
NANI
parry with the edge. oh yeah. experts right here
Get out mr Clements, if you have to parry you are supposed to do it with the strongest part of your blade, which is the edge.
Good answer.
probably the H&K USP in terms of gay worship by people who can't afford one
M1911
10mm
the 1911
>won two world wars
the katana
>lost two world wars
Japan was on our side in WW1. After the war the US and Japan even launched a cooperative invasion of Russia.
It’s the Colt SAA, any other answer is wrong
>Which gun do you consider the katana of handguns?
So the criterias are:
>Primary use as a status symbol
>Used for duels
>Autistically manufactured to old specs
I'm going to go with a dueling musket.
The PX4
>Why?
Idk
Oh katanas aren't THAT ugly
Cowboys are the mythical American hero so it's the SAA or any old single action revolver
Both are good comparisons, the problem is the lack of people running around claiming the SSA is the best gun ever made and to currently carry.
The perfect equivalent would be a revolver that works OK for EDC and is claimed to be more accurate than anything else if made from steel mined in the grand canyon or sth.
The 1911 is closer based on cult following. It's fairly old-fashioned, works but is nothing special compared to other stuff out there.
>but is nothing special compared to other stuff out there
wrong imo, but I can see why one would think that without having shot hand footed ones
fitted lmao
>case and point (sic)
I was arguing from a practical point of view, not one of available spectrum of quality.
It's actually a point making it very similar to katana.
You might want to buy a good quality schiavona pic related, but unfortunately all smiths are making katana variants at different price-points and quality levels, from cheap crap to American custom L6.
There might be occasional ones not making hand fitted 1911s (katana) ... but a Pardini GT9 (cup hilt rapier) or sphinx 3000 (Schweizersäbel) might not be what you're looking for.
The high quality variant of your preferred handgun simply not existing.
Yeah, the reason 1911 derivatives are preferred by competition shooters and 1911s are preferred by custom smiths is that they have the best potential for trigger quality of any design—no other pistol trigger can be made perfect, as far as I know. Eg, hi powers also have had a high end custom market going since the early 80s and nobody who collects them would claim that even $6000 Yost-Bonitz Hi Powers have triggers comparable to a custom 1911. Similarly, JJ Racaza, Beretta’s highest paid sponsored shooter, has a custom single-action-only 92 performance open gun, and despite 3 years of iterative R&D the trigger is not even close to comparable in his opinion to a 2011/1911. Barring ergonomic issues, which the 1911 doesn’t have, things like mag capacity and cartridge are not inherent to the platform; there are double stack 1911s and 1911s available in any popular pistol caliber.
Came here to post this.
With the SAA fading to relative obscurity in modern day, I would also argue that the 1911 is more closely associated with Americana. The same way that the katana is closely associated with Japanese culture.
Garand
you know its true
.45 acp in general & 1911s in particular
>overpriced
>outdated
>less effective
>less reliable
>shitheads argue about it
>people only like it for the larp & history
>anyone with actual practical considerations uses something else
A katana is quick draw, high precision weapon, also a fancy heirloom with unnecessary expensive fanciness THEREFORE a high end commander length 1911 with all kinds of fancy bling shit, is the katana of handguns
yeah in terms of handguns, only 1911 would fit the bill here.
Luger? Or Mauser?
Gay, overrated and for some reason every gay overrated movie has one?
1911
>Which gun do you consider the katana of handguns?
Handmade,
highly refined,
requires skill to match the innate ability of the firearm and reach it's potential,
Expensive
STACATTO
>outdated design
>still popular because of depiction in movies
>low quality clones everywhere.
Agreed. Left a little hair on my neck when I bought one at the Wal-Mart.
Revolvers.
>valid and useful for their time
>now a relic of history that is hilariously outclassed by other weapons in its class not long after the peak of their use
>now incredibly impractical
>carried stereotypically by a type of warrior that was blind by a certain code of honor when dueling
>popularized heavily by movies and anime
>now beloved by fedora-sporters and wannabe-sophisticated guys who may or may not routinely wear the ugly type of trenchcoat
Seething metafag who’s Glock will jam from limpwristing when the day comes.
>worried about limpwristing
>has to affirm his manhood through his choice of gun
uhhh this doesn't look good
M14
1911
Sig P365
Nuke
The only one who gets to use it is some dipshit who half the country hates and he's too much of a pussy to use it against the other dipshits who keep mocking him.
The real answer is the handgun, period. Hollywood and Americans in general are obsessed with them and mythologize them even though they’re impractical, ineffective and there are better firearm options for every fighting task. Half of any given GQ dude’s belt is dedicated to a backup gun he will never draw because he should always be using his rifle. It’s his nippon steel.
What is better than a handgun for OC/CC, which is the most relevant fighting task for 99% of Americans?
>handgun cope
CC is a result of the state imposing a bunch of legal bullshit on you regarding what you are allowed to carry and how you are allowed to carry it, not because it is the optimal firearm for the task of defending yourself. You carry a subcompact because you’re forced to, not because it’s good.
I carry it because a full-size digs too deep into the foopa. My foopa my choice you lesbian anti-gunner.
>crafted from chiniesium to literal meteors
>special care and craftsmanship for bespoke pieces and rasped rattle traps for poors
>has its merits and is still very effective albeit limited compared to modern counterparts
>has a special place in the heart boomers
1911
2011.
Same gun, twice as much, only Boomers can afford it.
The Beretta Model 92.
>style over substance
>shitty manufacturers copy the shit out of it
>fragile anyways
>seen at one point as the pinnacle of weapons in its class
>actual use proved otherwise
>still to this day people think it's good even though it is virtually extinct
I love my M9 like you wouldn't believe, it's damn reliable and eats anything I put in it.
I was going to post this. I don't know why, it just is
Seething sigger.
The Colts SAA. Any other answer is just plain wrong.
>memed to death.
>an entire culture build around them.
>have biggest number of fans among gunfag and normie.
>look cool.
>best (useless) techniques.
>iaido = fast draw.
Or why not just make a katana and handgun abomination like this
Five Seven
>looks cool
>hits weak
M9
In reality? Polymer handguns that even plebs can afford because that's what the market has drifted towards.
In spirit? Break action revolvers.
I associate the Browning Hipower with fedora clad gentLEmen the same way I do the katana.
>outdated
>"obscure"
>still effective because human biology hasn't changed, but surpassed by modern competitors