It lets you pull the gun back into your shoulder easier. You weld the gun into your shoulder and you don't really have to hold up the weight as much, easier to pull in then to hold a weight up in your outstretched arm.
A VFG allows the same thing but is not legal on a pistol.
A short VFG, paired with a thumb actuated light is GOAT if you don't have night vision.
There are people browsing this board that don't remember Magpul Dynamics, don't know who Chris Costa is. And probably don't even know what Magpul's original product was. There will be people browsing this site in a few years that will have been born after Magpul was even created. Hell, there probably are already people browsing it.
What WAS their original product, grandpa? Tell us about the before times of wohd and metul! Although, actually thinking about the name now I can probably guess
Funny that everybody I saw with these on their mags ended up with them pushed down so far the loop was touching the mag. Basically just really fancy grip tape at that point. People did seem to see value in those original magpuls as grip tape, but if you actually want a pull loop tape is still the superior option.
You're missing out. Even just a simple angled grip is really nice for giving you a consistent thing to index your grip against so you get a more consistent stance and grip.
And just to safe money really, can just grip the barrel shield. There are also lasers, rangefinders, and grenade launchers to consider. Those grenade launcher attachments are legal and pretty cheap honestly.
angled makes c-grip easier but the straight grip let's you handle your rifle easily with just your off hand leaving your other hand free if needed
if having to ruck and wade through wilderness prefer the straight, for tacticallarpbeardfags the angled grip is better for standing still across from paper gangsters
You can still angle grip your rifle with the vertical one, it just doesn’t feel as good as the angled grip. I just wish Magpul would make the gen 1 angle grip in mlok.
yea you can but your pinky always rest kinda weird on it, well that's my skill issue with it
there's the half-way between with those stubby slightly angled grips, I haven't used one myself but my buddy swears by them
I rather like my BCM one. I use it as a handstop the majority of the time moreso then an actual grip, but it's big enough that I can hold my rifle under control with a sling if I need.
This. I like my AR grip nice and smooth. I can grab it anywhere at any time not having to worrying about something in the way.
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Although these I’ve considered for their minimalism.
Handstop really are superior for ergonomics and weapon handling. I tried lot's of different vfg's and angled grips but nothing comes close to a good handstop. It just makes your grip more secure without wasting space (or being a possible snag hazard). Never going back from handstops
Vert, I really like how much I can pull into my shoulder with it. >but the angled grip lets you do that too
I don't c-clamp so it's just more intuitive to me
Depends on the accessory loadout. I have that same flashlight and it’s gigahueg. No great way to hold the grip with it on. Add the standard PEQ on top and that guy kind of has to beercan grip his vfg.
Although soldiers in the field can have good insights, don’t ever fully take photos of them as 100% proof something is good. Most soldiers aren’t expert shooters, so you have to weigh their practical experience against their innate retardism. Guy in the pic has a dedicated bipod on his M4, which is something I only ever saw tards do IRL.
AFG is a meme, you can do the same with a VFG via the thumb-break grip while also being able to use it as a monopod in some situations, brace it against a barrier, or just deathgrip it if you're going FA.
The AFG only has any kind of popularity because it fixed the problem of the USGI KAC quadrails being godawful to actually hold.
Private gun owners have numerous choices and don't need to buy the shitty old style KAC rails, so they can avoid this issue entirely. I'd go so far as to say the overwhelming majority of private AR owners would be better served with clamshells than any other option. You can attach a flashlight to the FSB and you're good to go if you aren't planning on adding IR, which 99% of private owners won't add. And if you are an IR user, tons of options that aren't those shitty old quadrails.
Vertical grip was popular partially for the same reason of the quad handguards being shit. But VFGs also work as handstops, and are a good place to put a tapeswitch if your flashlight isn't easy to access with your thumb. Overall a more versatile accessory.
It is really simple to find out and most people are too pussy to do it.
Don all your tacticool gear go outside and hold your rifle at the low ready for 8 hours.
You will find out with a quickness what works what does not for you.
Are you on drugs we had a 20' conex box full of vidmars loaded with shit to improve the ergonomics. That is how I got my KAC forgrip& quad rail, trijicon RX01 because we never had to turn that shit in. In pretty much any unit I know of you are allowed to make ergonomic changes as long as it does not affect mechanical operation.
Hmm, but typically when you're on guard or patrol you wouldn't be holding your weapon up and aimed would you? You'd be able to let it rest against you in your sling or if you had to keep holding it, alternate how you grip it? Like slinging your arm in front of the magwell?
That is why I said low ready. I set my mag pouches so my left forearm rested on them to carry some of the weight. That cocks the shit out of your wrist if you were just holding the handguard or an AFG. To snap shoot from that position you just have to punch out with left arm and rifle is on target ready to fire.
I have both, but I just like a short hand stop the most. The first pic you linked is less likely to fuck with AK mag reloads though, especially circle 10 mags
Cheapest I've seen them in a while, around 120 or so. Guy has them on eBay and Gunbroker. I know because I was about to sell one because last time I did I got like 180, but no way to do that right now. He's got a shit ton of 'em so buy one.
>vertical foregrip starts being used out of necessity because the sopmod setup had so much shit on it there was no room left on the handguard for your actual fucking hand >VFGs get outlawed by the gayTF so cucks make AFGs to cope >neither one of them actually help you control your rifle and better
Tacticool larpers get off my fucking board REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>neither one of them actually help you control your rifle and better
what sort of noguns bullshit is this? either one will allow you to have better, more consistent application of pushing back the rifle into your shoulder.
In my experience death gripping a VFG can help with full auto 7.62. Full auto 5.56mm and especially full auto 9mm both don’t really see a rise difference since they are pretty controllable already.
To note, during the GWOT when VFGs were at high popularity most people using them weren’t using full auto guns. M4s and M16A2s that were wide issue were 99.9% of the time fired on semi. VFGs used by average Joe soldiers were a personal preference thing and often not subject to nearly as much theorycrafting as people online do. It was commonly a guy playing around with different setups and deciding what felt right. In many cases it was a comfort thing or a way to access a flashlight. Standard level joes aren’t really taught all the finer tactical theory. Once you get to more elite units those guys are probably able to better articulate why they setup their rifles the way they do.
NTA, but Tapco made a 74 style break for 47 pattern rifles. I bought one like 2 or 3 years ago and it took me quite a bit of digging, so if you want one is probably gonna be a pain in the ass.
It does noticeably reduce recoil though which is really nice
Vertical grips are superior. The only reason why you'd use that other thing is if you don't want to break federal law with a barrel shorter than 16 inches.
Sit it between middle and ring finger, support the weight when it's down at arms length, being it up quickly, burn the webbing of your hand (build character)
I'm not retarded enough to do a sketch.
I think he's suggesting you effectively pinch the barrel/barrel guard between your middle and ring fingers, like you're doing a vulcan salute at all times
>has no sights or optic >has Nerf furniture >thinks he’s worried about practical accuracy
There is a thing called a “joke” you might want to learn about
Real gripods have metal legs wrapped in plastic like a glock mag and are quite amazing on a 240 or saw which is pretty much what they were made for in the first place. I have one on my AR10 but I did not pay for it. It costs about the same as a foregrip and bipod. I think they never took off because at the time people thought they were for Ar15s and to be tacticool you needed a chopped foregrip and lock your arm c-clamp to show off your tats and affliction shirt.
They never took off because most people experience them being rattle-y pieces of shit that don't function well as a bipod while being fucking massive to the point of annoyance as a VFG, though neither of those are inherent features but just a result of most people wanting something cheap and getting chink-shit and early designs being hot garbage. It poisoned the image of them in the mind of consumers.
Quite possibly, I have never even finger fucked a fake one ,and only think they are useful in big/heavy shit. I use BCM gunfighters (angled back) on almost everything else.
The stick is only about $30 with unlimited supply from vendor but the angled one has 2% reduced recoil but is more expensive and you need lvl 15 for to be able to buy it.
I've started using the angled now because I'm rich but my standartized MP5 build still uses the stick.
Troy metal VFG with Mercury inside of it
Can be used in a downward-strike motion to crater into the skull
Mercury adds more weight >That sounds heavy AF
It is, but I'm a big guy
I genuinely don't understand how you'd grip an angled foregrip.
put your hand around it
c clamp it
No that's hecking uncomfortable
What do you mean
It lets you pull the gun back into your shoulder easier. You weld the gun into your shoulder and you don't really have to hold up the weight as much, easier to pull in then to hold a weight up in your outstretched arm.
A VFG allows the same thing but is not legal on a pistol.
A short VFG, paired with a thumb actuated light is GOAT if you don't have night vision.
My preference anyway
>irrelevant tools collection
c clamp
if you have a pistol
There are people browsing this board that don't remember Magpul Dynamics, don't know who Chris Costa is. And probably don't even know what Magpul's original product was. There will be people browsing this site in a few years that will have been born after Magpul was even created. Hell, there probably are already people browsing it.
What WAS their original product, grandpa? Tell us about the before times of wohd and metul! Although, actually thinking about the name now I can probably guess
The Magpul brand MagPul that allowed you to pull your mag easier
In the dark times, people used to use cordage and duct tape to make a pull tabs.
Ah, I had something more akin to ranger plates in mind
Funny that everybody I saw with these on their mags ended up with them pushed down so far the loop was touching the mag. Basically just really fancy grip tape at that point. People did seem to see value in those original magpuls as grip tape, but if you actually want a pull loop tape is still the superior option.
Were ranger plates a thing while you were in? I've wondered about the utility of those.
I use both at the same time.
Why would anyone need either of these?
This. I like my AR grip nice and smooth. I can grab it anywhere at any time not having to worrying about something in the way.
Although these I’ve considered for their minimalism.
You're missing out. Even just a simple angled grip is really nice for giving you a consistent thing to index your grip against so you get a more consistent stance and grip.
And just to safe money really, can just grip the barrel shield. There are also lasers, rangefinders, and grenade launchers to consider. Those grenade launcher attachments are legal and pretty cheap honestly.
angled makes c-grip easier but the straight grip let's you handle your rifle easily with just your off hand leaving your other hand free if needed
if having to ruck and wade through wilderness prefer the straight, for tacticallarpbeardfags the angled grip is better for standing still across from paper gangsters
You can still angle grip your rifle with the vertical one, it just doesn’t feel as good as the angled grip. I just wish Magpul would make the gen 1 angle grip in mlok.
yea you can but your pinky always rest kinda weird on it, well that's my skill issue with it
there's the half-way between with those stubby slightly angled grips, I haven't used one myself but my buddy swears by them
I rather like my BCM one. I use it as a handstop the majority of the time moreso then an actual grip, but it's big enough that I can hold my rifle under control with a sling if I need.
yea that sounds ideal
My old job issued the CQD vertical grip with the striker en cap for high gun strikes. It would ring your bell with a helmet on.
>c grip>
Pic rel.
What was your old job?
Full disclosure, I spent most of my time on the CONUS side of the house.
i'm not allowed to use the second one
*blocks you're path*
Handstop really are superior for ergonomics and weapon handling. I tried lot's of different vfg's and angled grips but nothing comes close to a good handstop. It just makes your grip more secure without wasting space (or being a possible snag hazard). Never going back from handstops
Interesting, I’ll have to pick one up and try it.
you don't need any of this crap
who said anything about a need, gay boomer?
I'm you but better
Vert, I really like how much I can pull into my shoulder with it.
>but the angled grip lets you do that too
I don't c-clamp so it's just more intuitive to me
Everyone that I see with a vfg just holds it like an afg.
Most pictures I see of actual soldiers using the vfg has them holding it with a full wrap around grip
Depends on the accessory loadout. I have that same flashlight and it’s gigahueg. No great way to hold the grip with it on. Add the standard PEQ on top and that guy kind of has to beercan grip his vfg.
Although soldiers in the field can have good insights, don’t ever fully take photos of them as 100% proof something is good. Most soldiers aren’t expert shooters, so you have to weigh their practical experience against their innate retardism. Guy in the pic has a dedicated bipod on his M4, which is something I only ever saw tards do IRL.
AFG is a meme, you can do the same with a VFG via the thumb-break grip while also being able to use it as a monopod in some situations, brace it against a barrier, or just deathgrip it if you're going FA.
The AFG only has any kind of popularity because it fixed the problem of the USGI KAC quadrails being godawful to actually hold.
Private gun owners have numerous choices and don't need to buy the shitty old style KAC rails, so they can avoid this issue entirely. I'd go so far as to say the overwhelming majority of private AR owners would be better served with clamshells than any other option. You can attach a flashlight to the FSB and you're good to go if you aren't planning on adding IR, which 99% of private owners won't add. And if you are an IR user, tons of options that aren't those shitty old quadrails.
Vertical grip was popular partially for the same reason of the quad handguards being shit. But VFGs also work as handstops, and are a good place to put a tapeswitch if your flashlight isn't easy to access with your thumb. Overall a more versatile accessory.
I much prefer vertical
It is really simple to find out and most people are too pussy to do it.
Don all your tacticool gear go outside and hold your rifle at the low ready for 8 hours.
You will find out with a quickness what works what does not for you.
Why would you ever hold a rifle for 8 hours?
Aparently you have never needed to defend guard or patrol in your sheltered life.
Hell no. Sorry you had to do that. Sounds miserable.
The people who have to do that don't get a choice of what to put on their rifle, so the point is moot.
Are you on drugs we had a 20' conex box full of vidmars loaded with shit to improve the ergonomics. That is how I got my KAC forgrip& quad rail, trijicon RX01 because we never had to turn that shit in. In pretty much any unit I know of you are allowed to make ergonomic changes as long as it does not affect mechanical operation.
Hmm, but typically when you're on guard or patrol you wouldn't be holding your weapon up and aimed would you? You'd be able to let it rest against you in your sling or if you had to keep holding it, alternate how you grip it? Like slinging your arm in front of the magwell?
That is why I said low ready. I set my mag pouches so my left forearm rested on them to carry some of the weight. That cocks the shit out of your wrist if you were just holding the handguard or an AFG. To snap shoot from that position you just have to punch out with left arm and rifle is on target ready to fire.
Well if you don't wanna hold the afg constantly you can switch to holding the mag well.
Short VFG is all you need
I’m sure a short grip feels natural to you huh?
yeah
I have both, but I just like a short hand stop the most. The first pic you linked is less likely to fuck with AK mag reloads though, especially circle 10 mags
I'm bummed I can't pick up those Surefire VFG flashlights for reasonable prices anymore. Shit is peak GWOT accesory
Cheapest I've seen them in a while, around 120 or so. Guy has them on eBay and Gunbroker. I know because I was about to sell one because last time I did I got like 180, but no way to do that right now. He's got a shit ton of 'em so buy one.
i miss the 2000s so fucking much bros
For me it's Hera Arms
How do you even grip that thing?
like a P90
>vertical foregrip starts being used out of necessity because the sopmod setup had so much shit on it there was no room left on the handguard for your actual fucking hand
>VFGs get outlawed by the gayTF so cucks make AFGs to cope
>neither one of them actually help you control your rifle and better
Tacticool larpers get off my fucking board REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
If we kick off the tacticool larpers all that will be left on PrepHole are indians and russians spamming off topic trash about not weapons
>neither one of them actually help you control your rifle and better
what sort of noguns bullshit is this? either one will allow you to have better, more consistent application of pushing back the rifle into your shoulder.
That’s not why AFGs were made, and vertical foregrips existed before SOPMOD so, yeah welcome to the retard club fren
Pretty sure a broom handle helps you control muzzle rise
In my experience death gripping a VFG can help with full auto 7.62. Full auto 5.56mm and especially full auto 9mm both don’t really see a rise difference since they are pretty controllable already.
To note, during the GWOT when VFGs were at high popularity most people using them weren’t using full auto guns. M4s and M16A2s that were wide issue were 99.9% of the time fired on semi. VFGs used by average Joe soldiers were a personal preference thing and often not subject to nearly as much theorycrafting as people online do. It was commonly a guy playing around with different setups and deciding what felt right. In many cases it was a comfort thing or a way to access a flashlight. Standard level joes aren’t really taught all the finer tactical theory. Once you get to more elite units those guys are probably able to better articulate why they setup their rifles the way they do.
God damn you're dumb.
>>VFGs get outlawed by the gayTF so cucks make AFGs to cope
Lol no
one of them actually help you control your rifle and better
Lol no again
Try being right before you post.
Angled because it reduces recoil by 20% instead of the useless hip-fire accuracy bonus of the vertical
>not using a dong
Nice dog
mow your lawn
is that a fucking shovel handle
>doesn't know the legend of the ak forged from a shovel
>suicide bullet is the cheapest steel case fmj surplus could provide
where did you get that muzzle device? Does it work well?
NTA, but Tapco made a 74 style break for 47 pattern rifles. I bought one like 2 or 3 years ago and it took me quite a bit of digging, so if you want one is probably gonna be a pain in the ass.
It does noticeably reduce recoil though which is really nice
>posting shovel dog
MOOOOOOOODS!
Vertical grips are superior. The only reason why you'd use that other thing is if you don't want to break federal law with a barrel shorter than 16 inches.
What happened to holding the barrel like the Halo Plasma sword?
Elaborate
Sit it between middle and ring finger, support the weight when it's down at arms length, being it up quickly, burn the webbing of your hand (build character)
I'm not retarded enough to do a sketch.
I wish my smooth brain could decipher this. I think I may be having a stroke
I think he's suggesting you effectively pinch the barrel/barrel guard between your middle and ring fingers, like you're doing a vulcan salute at all times
The images this produces in my head makes me chuckle
afg for superior control, gripping like this really helps with muzzle climb
Ah yes the old tactical thumbsight, perfect for when you need an excuse why you miss point blank.
>has no sights or optic
>has Nerf furniture
>thinks he’s worried about practical accuracy
There is a thing called a “joke” you might want to learn about
that's a legit nerf gun anon. retaliator decked out with a bunch of orange mod works bullshit that costs way too much
I like the AFG because I am a thumb-over-barrel C grip enjoyer
What do the garden gnomes know that we don't? I think bipod foregrip combos are pretty cool.
Hot
Grippod does everything. Handstop, beer can, bipod support, and aesthetic. KAC broomhandle goes hard though
Grippod had the problem of $150 for what is essentially just a bunch of plastic.
We both know you don't own one. Nobody actually wants to pay for it.
I'd get one if it was $30.
Real gripods have metal legs wrapped in plastic like a glock mag and are quite amazing on a 240 or saw which is pretty much what they were made for in the first place. I have one on my AR10 but I did not pay for it. It costs about the same as a foregrip and bipod. I think they never took off because at the time people thought they were for Ar15s and to be tacticool you needed a chopped foregrip and lock your arm c-clamp to show off your tats and affliction shirt.
They never took off because most people experience them being rattle-y pieces of shit that don't function well as a bipod while being fucking massive to the point of annoyance as a VFG, though neither of those are inherent features but just a result of most people wanting something cheap and getting chink-shit and early designs being hot garbage. It poisoned the image of them in the mind of consumers.
Quite possibly, I have never even finger fucked a fake one ,and only think they are useful in big/heavy shit. I use BCM gunfighters (angled back) on almost everything else.
bump
>The great debate
The stick is only about $30 with unlimited supply from vendor but the angled one has 2% reduced recoil but is more expensive and you need lvl 15 for to be able to buy it.
I've started using the angled now because I'm rich but my standartized MP5 build still uses the stick.
The virgin 'hides boner in waistband' vs the Chad full hard-on
Troy metal VFG with Mercury inside of it
Can be used in a downward-strike motion to crater into the skull
Mercury adds more weight
>That sounds heavy AF
It is, but I'm a big guy
I’ve got that, after years I switched it to stubby mode.
Wouldn't filling it with birdshot and putting some cotton buds in there to keep it secure a much safer way?
Mercury is dangerous dood
>AFG
>VFG
now where is that insane anon with the side grip potatoes on a bullpup lol
>he needs a grip
>need
>posts picture of virgin ironlet dependent on an optic
>Using the front sight as a thumb rest
GENIUS!
much better debate than caliber shit
the only one you need.
I use it to hold the sling, vortical seems to help when it's front heavy more than the afg ime.