The great debate

The great debate

250 Piece Survival Gear First Aid Kit

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250 Piece Survival Gear First Aid Kit

  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I genuinely don't understand how you'd grip an angled foregrip.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      put your hand around it

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      c clamp it

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        c clamp

        No that's hecking uncomfortable

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What do you mean

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It lets you pull the gun back into your shoulder easier. You weld the gun into your shoulder and you don't really have to hold up the weight as much, easier to pull in then to hold a weight up in your outstretched arm.
      A VFG allows the same thing but is not legal on a pistol.

      A short VFG, paired with a thumb actuated light is GOAT if you don't have night vision.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        My preference anyway

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >irrelevant tools collection

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      c clamp

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      if you have a pistol

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      There are people browsing this board that don't remember Magpul Dynamics, don't know who Chris Costa is. And probably don't even know what Magpul's original product was. There will be people browsing this site in a few years that will have been born after Magpul was even created. Hell, there probably are already people browsing it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What WAS their original product, grandpa? Tell us about the before times of wohd and metul! Although, actually thinking about the name now I can probably guess

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The Magpul brand MagPul that allowed you to pull your mag easier
          In the dark times, people used to use cordage and duct tape to make a pull tabs.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Ah, I had something more akin to ranger plates in mind

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Funny that everybody I saw with these on their mags ended up with them pushed down so far the loop was touching the mag. Basically just really fancy grip tape at that point. People did seem to see value in those original magpuls as grip tape, but if you actually want a pull loop tape is still the superior option.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Were ranger plates a thing while you were in? I've wondered about the utility of those.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I use both at the same time.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why would anyone need either of these?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This. I like my AR grip nice and smooth. I can grab it anywhere at any time not having to worrying about something in the way.

      https://i.imgur.com/A36QE3d.jpg

      *blocks you're path*

      Although these I’ve considered for their minimalism.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You're missing out. Even just a simple angled grip is really nice for giving you a consistent thing to index your grip against so you get a more consistent stance and grip.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        And just to safe money really, can just grip the barrel shield. There are also lasers, rangefinders, and grenade launchers to consider. Those grenade launcher attachments are legal and pretty cheap honestly.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    angled makes c-grip easier but the straight grip let's you handle your rifle easily with just your off hand leaving your other hand free if needed

    if having to ruck and wade through wilderness prefer the straight, for tacticallarpbeardgays the angled grip is better for standing still across from paper gangsters

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You can still angle grip your rifle with the vertical one, it just doesn’t feel as good as the angled grip. I just wish Magpul would make the gen 1 angle grip in mlok.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        yea you can but your pinky always rest kinda weird on it, well that's my skill issue with it
        there's the half-way between with those stubby slightly angled grips, I haven't used one myself but my buddy swears by them

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I rather like my BCM one. I use it as a handstop the majority of the time moreso then an actual grip, but it's big enough that I can hold my rifle under control with a sling if I need.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            yea that sounds ideal

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      My old job issued the CQD vertical grip with the striker en cap for high gun strikes. It would ring your bell with a helmet on.

      >c grip>
      Pic rel.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What was your old job?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Full disclosure, I spent most of my time on the CONUS side of the house.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i'm not allowed to use the second one

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    *blocks you're path*

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/B1nENu7.jpg

      I'm you but better

      This. I like my AR grip nice and smooth. I can grab it anywhere at any time not having to worrying about something in the way.
      [...]
      Although these I’ve considered for their minimalism.

      Handstop really are superior for ergonomics and weapon handling. I tried lot's of different vfg's and angled grips but nothing comes close to a good handstop. It just makes your grip more secure without wasting space (or being a possible snag hazard). Never going back from handstops

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Interesting, I’ll have to pick one up and try it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/B1nENu7.jpg

      I'm you but better

      https://i.imgur.com/AiZPnol.jpg

      https://i.imgur.com/41zYfEX.jpg

      For me it's Hera Arms

      you don't need any of this crap

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        who said anything about a need, homosexual boomer?

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm you but better

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Vert, I really like how much I can pull into my shoulder with it.
    >but the angled grip lets you do that too
    I don't c-clamp so it's just more intuitive to me

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone that I see with a vfg just holds it like an afg.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Most pictures I see of actual soldiers using the vfg has them holding it with a full wrap around grip

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Depends on the accessory loadout. I have that same flashlight and it’s gigahueg. No great way to hold the grip with it on. Add the standard PEQ on top and that guy kind of has to beercan grip his vfg.
        Although soldiers in the field can have good insights, don’t ever fully take photos of them as 100% proof something is good. Most soldiers aren’t expert shooters, so you have to weigh their practical experience against their innate moronism. Guy in the pic has a dedicated bipod on his M4, which is something I only ever saw tards do IRL.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    AFG is a meme, you can do the same with a VFG via the thumb-break grip while also being able to use it as a monopod in some situations, brace it against a barrier, or just deathgrip it if you're going FA.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The AFG only has any kind of popularity because it fixed the problem of the USGI KAC quadrails being godawful to actually hold.
    Private gun owners have numerous choices and don't need to buy the shitty old style KAC rails, so they can avoid this issue entirely. I'd go so far as to say the overwhelming majority of private AR owners would be better served with clamshells than any other option. You can attach a flashlight to the FSB and you're good to go if you aren't planning on adding IR, which 99% of private owners won't add. And if you are an IR user, tons of options that aren't those shitty old quadrails.
    Vertical grip was popular partially for the same reason of the quad handguards being shit. But VFGs also work as handstops, and are a good place to put a tapeswitch if your flashlight isn't easy to access with your thumb. Overall a more versatile accessory.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I much prefer vertical

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It is really simple to find out and most people are too pussy to do it.

    Don all your tacticool gear go outside and hold your rifle at the low ready for 8 hours.
    You will find out with a quickness what works what does not for you.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why would you ever hold a rifle for 8 hours?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Aparently you have never needed to defend guard or patrol in your sheltered life.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Hell no. Sorry you had to do that. Sounds miserable.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The people who have to do that don't get a choice of what to put on their rifle, so the point is moot.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Are you on drugs we had a 20' conex box full of vidmars loaded with shit to improve the ergonomics. That is how I got my KAC forgrip& quad rail, trijicon RX01 because we never had to turn that shit in. In pretty much any unit I know of you are allowed to make ergonomic changes as long as it does not affect mechanical operation.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Hmm, but typically when you're on guard or patrol you wouldn't be holding your weapon up and aimed would you? You'd be able to let it rest against you in your sling or if you had to keep holding it, alternate how you grip it? Like slinging your arm in front of the magwell?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That is why I said low ready. I set my mag pouches so my left forearm rested on them to carry some of the weight. That wieners the shit out of your wrist if you were just holding the handguard or an AFG. To snap shoot from that position you just have to punch out with left arm and rifle is on target ready to fire.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Well if you don't wanna hold the afg constantly you can switch to holding the mag well.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Short VFG is all you need

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I’m sure a short grip feels natural to you huh?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        yeah

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have both, but I just like a short hand stop the most. The first pic you linked is less likely to frick with AK mag reloads though, especially circle 10 mags

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I'm bummed I can't pick up those Surefire VFG flashlights for reasonable prices anymore. Shit is peak GWOT accesory

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Cheapest I've seen them in a while, around 120 or so. Guy has them on eBay and Gunbroker. I know because I was about to sell one because last time I did I got like 180, but no way to do that right now. He's got a shit ton of 'em so buy one.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        i miss the 2000s so fricking much bros

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    For me it's Hera Arms

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      How do you even grip that thing?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        like a P90

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >vertical foregrip starts being used out of necessity because the sopmod setup had so much shit on it there was no room left on the handguard for your actual fricking hand
    >VFGs get outlawed by the gayTF so cucks make AFGs to cope
    >neither one of them actually help you control your rifle and better

    Tacticool larpers get off my fricking board REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      If we kick off the tacticool larpers all that will be left on /k/ are indians and russians spamming off topic trash about not weapons

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >neither one of them actually help you control your rifle and better

      what sort of noguns bullshit is this? either one will allow you to have better, more consistent application of pushing back the rifle into your shoulder.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That’s not why AFGs were made, and vertical foregrips existed before SOPMOD so, yeah welcome to the moron club fren

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty sure a broom handle helps you control muzzle rise

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        In my experience death gripping a VFG can help with full auto 7.62. Full auto 5.56mm and especially full auto 9mm both don’t really see a rise difference since they are pretty controllable already.
        To note, during the GWOT when VFGs were at high popularity most people using them weren’t using full auto guns. M4s and M16A2s that were wide issue were 99.9% of the time fired on semi. VFGs used by average Joe soldiers were a personal preference thing and often not subject to nearly as much theorycrafting as people online do. It was commonly a guy playing around with different setups and deciding what felt right. In many cases it was a comfort thing or a way to access a flashlight. Standard level joes aren’t really taught all the finer tactical theory. Once you get to more elite units those guys are probably able to better articulate why they setup their rifles the way they do.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      God damn you're dumb.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >>VFGs get outlawed by the gayTF so cucks make AFGs to cope
      Lol no
      one of them actually help you control your rifle and better
      Lol no again

      Try being right before you post.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Angled because it reduces recoil by 20% instead of the useless hip-fire accuracy bonus of the vertical

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >not using a dong

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Nice dog

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      mow your lawn

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      is that a fricking shovel handle

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >doesn't know the legend of the ak forged from a shovel

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >suicide bullet is the cheapest steel case fmj surplus could provide

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      where did you get that muzzle device? Does it work well?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        NTA, but Tapco made a 74 style break for 47 pattern rifles. I bought one like 2 or 3 years ago and it took me quite a bit of digging, so if you want one is probably gonna be a pain in the ass.

        It does noticeably reduce recoil though which is really nice

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >posting shovel dog
      MOOOOOOOODS!

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Vertical grips are superior. The only reason why you'd use that other thing is if you don't want to break federal law with a barrel shorter than 16 inches.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What happened to holding the barrel like the Halo Plasma sword?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Elaborate

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Sit it between middle and ring finger, support the weight when it's down at arms length, being it up quickly, burn the webbing of your hand (build character)
        I'm not moronic enough to do a sketch.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I wish my smooth brain could decipher this. I think I may be having a stroke

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I think he's suggesting you effectively pinch the barrel/barrel guard between your middle and ring fingers, like you're doing a vulcan salute at all times

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The images this produces in my head makes me chuckle

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    afg for superior control, gripping like this really helps with muzzle climb

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ah yes the old tactical thumbsight, perfect for when you need an excuse why you miss point blank.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >has no sights or optic
        >has Nerf furniture
        >thinks he’s worried about practical accuracy
        There is a thing called a “joke” you might want to learn about

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          that's a legit nerf gun anon. retaliator decked out with a bunch of orange mod works bullshit that costs way too much

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I like the AFG because I am a thumb-over-barrel C grip enjoyer

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What do the israelites know that we don't? I think bipod foregrip combos are pretty cool.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Hot

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Grippod does everything. Handstop, beer can, bipod support, and aesthetic. KAC broomhandle goes hard though

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Grippod had the problem of $150 for what is essentially just a bunch of plastic.

      We both know you don't own one. Nobody actually wants to pay for it.

      I'd get one if it was $30.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Real gripods have metal legs wrapped in plastic like a glock mag and are quite amazing on a 240 or saw which is pretty much what they were made for in the first place. I have one on my AR10 but I did not pay for it. It costs about the same as a foregrip and bipod. I think they never took off because at the time people thought they were for Ar15s and to be tacticool you needed a chopped foregrip and lock your arm c-clamp to show off your tats and affliction shirt.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          They never took off because most people experience them being rattle-y pieces of shit that don't function well as a bipod while being fricking massive to the point of annoyance as a VFG, though neither of those are inherent features but just a result of most people wanting something cheap and getting chink-shit and early designs being hot garbage. It poisoned the image of them in the mind of consumers.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Quite possibly, I have never even finger fricked a fake one ,and only think they are useful in big/heavy shit. I use BCM gunfighters (angled back) on almost everything else.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      bump

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >The great debate

    The stick is only about $30 with unlimited supply from vendor but the angled one has 2% reduced recoil but is more expensive and you need lvl 15 for to be able to buy it.

    I've started using the angled now because I'm rich but my standartized MP5 build still uses the stick.

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The virgin 'hides boner in waistband' vs the Chad full hard-on

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Troy metal VFG with Mercury inside of it
    Can be used in a downward-strike motion to crater into the skull
    Mercury adds more weight
    >That sounds heavy AF
    It is, but I'm a big guy

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I’ve got that, after years I switched it to stubby mode.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Wouldn't filling it with birdshot and putting some cotton buds in there to keep it secure a much safer way?
      Mercury is dangerous dood

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >AFG
    >VFG
    now where is that insane anon with the side grip potatoes on a bullpup lol

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >he needs a grip

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >need
      >posts picture of virgin ironlet dependent on an optic

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Using the front sight as a thumb rest
      GENIUS!

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    much better debate than caliber shit

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the only one you need.

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I use it to hold the sling, vortical seems to help when it's front heavy more than the afg ime.

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