The government needs to fund the mass production of this cartridge!

People don't buy guns with this round because it is expensive.
This round is expensive because it isn't mass produced.
It isn't mass produced because people don't buy guns with it.

Unless the government do something, this will never replace the 9mm.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is it better than 9mm? Sure. Is it better than 10mm? Debatable. Will it ever replace any mainstream pistol cartridge? Not for another several decades, if at all.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My Glock 20 will kill a bear. Will your tiny bullet kill a bear?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A well placed 22lr shot from a break action rifle operated by an elderly Inuit woman can kill the largest grizzly bear ever killed on record.
        You fell for a meme round

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Akshually it was 22 long

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why are Glock 20 owners so fucking insufferable?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because they fell for the 10mm meme and need to cope.
          10mm is a worse SD round than 9mm, .40, .45

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You should work on your English, and also not be such a fucking deadbeat.

      >Is it better than 9mm?
      As a varmint round, yes. Otherwise, no.

      A well placed 22lr shot from a break action rifle operated by an elderly Inuit woman can kill the largest grizzly bear ever killed on record.
      You fell for a meme round

      Good to know that you're so confident in shot placement that you're comfortable carrying a Minirevolver with CB caps.

      Why are Glock 20 owners so fucking insufferable?

      He makes a valid observation. 10mm Auto offers a good boost in power with the right choice of ammo, 5.7mm lets you cut through soft armor which you're never encountering, and lets you do very shallow wounding on targets with harder body armor.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >5.7mm lets you cut through soft armor which you're never encountering
        Most videos I've seen of pistol length 5.7 doesn't pen lvl 3 soft armor, the limitation is the tiny bullet (by weight) and the velocity is still not enough. In ballistic science you need to know the right combo of both bullet weight and velocity alongside bore and sectional density and everyone overlooks this and glorifies bad cartridges for specific roles. 22tcm out of a 5 inch (ie at least a 35-40gr bullet at ~2000-2100 fps) is enough to reliably pen lvl 3 soft armor every time or almost every time under standard conditions, but any wound to the wearer of said armor would basically just be ice picks. 5.7 is also around $1/rd and thus has literally no redeeming qualities IMO and will not since the 22 survival centerfire market in the US was already filled by half a dozen others invented in the 60s (the most popular being .223 rem, which is based off of .222 rem, which also has .221 fireball which can be formed from .223 brass for cheap, 22tcm itself is also from a 223 case, and you can just down load standard 223 to lower recoil if wanted).

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Americans continue to mog gay euro cartridges.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pistol calibers are obsolete in modern military applications though no matter how many people try and cope about it, hell even intermediate calibers are quickly becoming sidelined now that advancements in body armor is getting better, 5.7 is basically doomed to be a niche round.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >advancements in body armor is getting better
      I'll take shit that never happened for 500

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >that advancements in body armor is getting better

      Its less advancements and more of it becoming a more commonly issued thing on the front lines. Sure armor has gotten better over the years but the fact that its showing up at all on your average grunt is a bigger thing thats happened. The push for the new rifles is a response to that as well as the reality that modern optics and strategies are pushing engagement ranges out past the effective range of most intermediate cartridges.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A-are (You) suggesting that guh-government should pick the winners and th-the losers?

    Do (You) know where (You) are?

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not a very good anyway
    Would be best if it's simply abandon
    Pistol makes less sense than 9mm chambering
    Carbine makes less sense than 223 chambering

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    multiple reasons youre retarded
    1 the ~~*govt*~~ isnt proliferating armor piercing handguns
    2 why the fuck would the govt want to proliferate armor penetrating handguns?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why the fuck would the govt want to proliferate armor penetrating handguns?
      To justify taking away your guns. Same reason the CIA flooded black neighborhoods with crack cocaine, to justify dea spending and the war on drugs.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh it's you again gay, cmon say the the thing you fucking schizo

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dogshit round.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't touch my boolet, government.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >government starts putting in Hispanicy rounds to kill us like they did to the VC in Nam
    Or was it Iraq?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do they still add that lube to the cartridges so they function better in the P90 magazine?
    I know at one point they did.
    If they manufactured a separate non-lube line of ammo that was meant for pistols it would help reduce costs.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, who fucking cares?

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SWAT teams needs to adopt it.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck the government. Make your own.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Garbage shit round that doesn't even match 9mm in perfomance
    K

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Sage

    I love 17hmr, but idk how i feel about it for a self defense round

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd rather not. We're getting to point in clown world where there will be legislation about making cartridges the military uses illegal for civilian use and SOCOM already adopts everything

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NoOOOOoo Anon that's socialism you can't do that!

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    9x25 Dillon is the real savior. We can use 9mm projectiles and get useful speed out of it

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >loves government
    >loves 5.7
    We've got a real life retard OP here.

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