So what I'm getting here is: >you'll know where your dudes are >you'll know where the enemy dudes (probably) are >you'll be able to pull up a map >you'll be able to fricking ping new shit, create routes, and other vidya things
If it works as advertised, then it'll let forces with it absolutely shit on forces without it. Might be an issue if the system can be interrupted or subverted, though.
I see it being the greatest pain in hot conditions mainly from sweat on the gasket, but they've said they've got really good antifog coatings going and soldier testing has been in hot and cold conditions.
So what I'm getting here is: >you'll know where your dudes are >you'll know where the enemy dudes (probably) are >you'll be able to pull up a map >you'll be able to fricking ping new shit, create routes, and other vidya things
If it works as advertised, then it'll let forces with it absolutely shit on forces without it. Might be an issue if the system can be interrupted or subverted, though.
Imagine a military force that's fricking fluid.
Yup. Just being able to see where the entire unit is located is enough of a boon. This applies to higher echelons as well. A platoon is connected through their meshnet radios and then is further linked to the company through Bloodhound radio relay vehicles as well as the regular radio meshnet.
ceramicoat type coatings make fog a thing of the past. cerakote has car finish stuff that makes other stuff look like shit for a fraction of the price. their rain-x equivalent is gods own windshield coating. I put it on the wifes great grannys nursing home window on the outside and inside. nothing sticks to it once its cured.
Key takeaway that all the soldiers in the video mentioned the most was the ability to see each other through walls.
The APC commander in particular seemed to love it because he could see where his allies were in a building and use that information to shoot threw the fricking walls to clear rooms marked as hostile.
It's more likely that the one they capture will tell all the other guys "SHOOT ME". The IVAS has a camera feed that is watched by some commander somewhere. He'll be able to tell if a soldier is KIA and someone is fiddling with the IVAS.
Have a question tho.
What happens when in a firefight one of the soldiers gets killed and the enemy combatant picks up the headset?
He will be able to see where everyone is, their goals and probably even the bigger picture.
How will the army mitigate this? Will it have something like iris reader so when you put the helmet on it goes like >Private John 5467, access authorized.
Will it be connected to the soldiers vital signs like heartbeat/temps and in that case will the high command be able to track their soldiers health status? >Marine Tom 4321, vital signs critical
Lot's of questions
It's more likely that the one they capture will tell all the other guys "SHOOT ME". The IVAS has a camera feed that is watched by some commander somewhere. He'll be able to tell if a soldier is KIA and someone is fiddling with the IVAS.
Army's indicated they're looking at biometric ID with IVAS, so it'll probably do pupil ID as part of the eyetracking that HL2 already has.
>Army's indicated they're looking at biometric ID with IVAS, so it'll probably do pupil ID as part of the eyetracking that HL2 already has.
Retina-based ID systems are already thing and are massive upgrade in biometric security vs face or fingerprints. In a system like this with goggles and light projection into the eye all of the time it's pretty much a gimme it's so obvious. Combine that with a PIN for bootup that wipes after 3 attempts and it's set.
More like >Equipment gets stolen by subhuman >Goes back to their hideout to celebrate >Caculates position based on last known location and location of GPS tracker as it's broadcasting it's location >Knock Knock motherfricker
>War has changed.
For the better. Hopefully electronic firing guns and ID there as well soon. If any captured gear is effectively useless to the enemy that's a major and valuable shift.
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>If any captured gear is effectively useless to the enemy that's a major and valuable shift.
They'll find a way around these security features eventually
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>They'll find a way around these security features eventually
Depending on what they are not necessarily, and more to the point the valuable thing here is time and effort. If it takes a month instead of being able to be picked up and immediately turned on its side that's huge, hell if it takes a week it's not nothing for a lot of stuff.
One thing, among many, I would be concerned about would be information management and being able to separate the useful shit from the garbage in real time.
I imagine a squad leader would be trained on use in situ info and their own tactical acumen to determine if the information they are feeding into the system is worth putting up such as a new route or pinging a potentially new target or something of the like.
now imagine if 3 other people are doing the same thing and noticing the same item. Can that information be rapidly correlated so you don't have a mess of 8 different images for one thing? I don't think a human operator could work fast enough to manage all that data.
it's definitely going to need its own reporting protocols and specialized training for people to be able to convey useful information quickly without a bunch of chaff and false positives, but i think it's a solvable issue. or at least, one that can be mitigated, same as it is for radio chatter.
youre talking about the generation raised on shitty fps game uis with dozens of things happening already
plus i can see ai and/or a human real time analyst team being paired with the input of information at a high enough level to sieve through it for salient info and highlight it for the people who need it most
This is where AI is going to be a massive help in the future. I could see systems like TITAN being used at this scale to help deal with junk information and bring only the most relevant data to the attention of those who need it most.
>Literally having FPS indicatros IRL so you don't frag your own dudes >Spotting system from BattleField included as well >Get a real time-ish map as well
I'd imagine this being a force multiplier that is going to be straight up fricking deadly. No more pointing and apporximating where enemy forces are, you just get a nice visual indicator on your screen (or a fricking dorito) and you start blasting and/or moving that way.
https://i.imgur.com/GJIkH4o.png
I see it being the greatest pain in hot conditions mainly from sweat on the gasket, but they've said they've got really good antifog coatings going and soldier testing has been in hot and cold conditions.
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Yup. Just being able to see where the entire unit is located is enough of a boon. This applies to higher echelons as well. A platoon is connected through their meshnet radios and then is further linked to the company through Bloodhound radio relay vehicles as well as the regular radio meshnet.
ceramicoat type coatings make fog a thing of the past. cerakote has car finish stuff that makes other stuff look like shit for a fraction of the price. their rain-x equivalent is gods own windshield coating. I put it on the wifes great grannys nursing home window on the outside and inside. nothing sticks to it once its cured.
I still get annoyed by my expensive ass ski goggles fogging up, my friends have no issues with it. My faith in these kind of anti-fog coatings is quite low, but maybe I'm just used to sub-par products.
https://i.imgur.com/SRDInfU.jpg
Look at how sci-fi this motherfricker looks
Best part is- Army's going apeshit with these and is buying 120,000 units . This is not some SOF bullshit, nearly every combat unit will have this.
>Checked
Still not sci-fi bulletproof though (or capable of tanking a couple of shots before going down). Where's the exoskeleton/power armor damnit.
>Still not sci-fi bulletproof though (or capable of tanking a couple of shots before going down). Where's the exoskeleton/power armor damnit.
I could see these goggles being incredibly useful for SWAT or SOF teams when combined with an exoskeleton. Think about it, you could use an exoskeleton to pile more armor on a man than he could reasonably carry, plus some sort of big frick-off gun. You'll probably only get 20 minutes of battery life carrying all that weight but if you plan raids properly then that'd be all you need. You'd have 3 or 4 of these big tank frickers bust through the entrypoints followed up by regular guys, and it could all be way better coordinated via these goggles.
So what I'm getting here is: >you'll know where your dudes are >you'll know where the enemy dudes (probably) are >you'll be able to pull up a map >you'll be able to fricking ping new shit, create routes, and other vidya things
If it works as advertised, then it'll let forces with it absolutely shit on forces without it. Might be an issue if the system can be interrupted or subverted, though.
Imagine a military force that's fricking fluid.
yeah sure but what if you get wall haxxed by the enemy
>the RSO gets one >brass drones lock onto brass and catch them before they even hit the floor >RSO HUD highlights anyone firing more than 1 round a minute >anyone caught "rapid firing" is doxxed, all devices bricked, and brain chip disabled until their stiff body can be hauled out the door and pissed on by a waiting police officer
Technology was a mistake
those are really, really good operating conditions for squad level drones/smart munitions. like REALLY good. exactly the conditions you want to just stay stationary and send one of these up, watching through your HUD.
I dunno why they don't just mount the sights higher. You might as well have it able to look over a trench wall without the operator getting pinged through the brain
>I dunno why they don't just mount the sights higher. You might as well have it able to look over a trench wall without the operator getting pinged through the brain
Can do that with something else maybe, but also that'd make it hader to fight with if the hud broke. It's clear they're still operating somewhat conservatively, in that they are making sure they aren't 100% dependent on the tech and if it has a failure soliders can still fight well enough to at least do an orderly retreat under normal circumstances. Eventually it might make sense to start embracing everything it offers even if it means unaided humans can't make much use of it anymore because things are so weird without computers. That's happened with other areas like aircraft but not 1st gen.
Have a question tho.
What happens when in a firefight one of the soldiers gets killed and the enemy combatant picks up the headset?
He will be able to see where everyone is, their goals and probably even the bigger picture.
How will the army mitigate this? Will it have something like iris reader so when you put the helmet on it goes like >Private John 5467, access authorized.
Will it be connected to the soldiers vital signs like heartbeat/temps and in that case will the high command be able to track their soldiers health status? >Marine Tom 4321, vital signs critical
Lot's of questions
Anon you likely carry a device in your pocket that can encrypt itself so hard the FBI will have to whine to whoever manufactured it if they want to have a peek at it, and it does that whenever you aren't looking at it for five seconds. Data security would be pretty easy compared to everything else involved in making some fancy HUD/AR shit.
>https://www.dvidshub.net/video/857856/peo-ground-combat-systems-ve3 >156 MB >for a 2 minute 49 second video >where most of it is shooty filler, and the relevant information it shares could most likely fit inside the 2k character post limit here
I hope someone develops the ability to grow new testicles in a jar for transplant purposes, just so that whoever thought that information should be shared via video can have their balls crushed, stabbed, and otherwise destroyed, repeatedly, every day, for the rest of their lives.
Frick how close we bros to become actual predators. We can finally do those Fallujah Jarheads that played the predator noise through out the city justice.
Though to be honest , I gonna miss the quad tube look.
A bunch of Jarheads during the battle Fallujah would play the predator sound effect to scare the insurgents or some moronic shit like that . Keep in mind the average jarhead in Fallujah was like 19 to 25 or something.
Stuff like that wasn't economical to develop until a war for the survival of humanity was compelling it. Remember, this is the same universe that was still using brass cased bullets in the year 2525.
After the Covenant war, regular soldiers started getting spartan suits.
>Stuff like that wasn't economical to develop until a war for the survival of humanity was compelling it. Remember, this is the same universe that was still using brass cased bullets in the year 2525.
Yeah it's one of those things that's simultaneously moronic and yet not because of human nature. On the one hand it's weird a lot of stuff is really primitive vs what one would otherwise expect. On the other hand human greed and short sightedness may well continue as long as we exist too and in turn plenty of >"oh that advanced suit/logistics/infra tech is our companies IP we sue!"
and >"that whatever is a threat to the rare Planet 10581X17z glowing crabfish we sue!"
and >"I don't win votes for raising taxes to fund protection against imaginary aliens son I'll be retired by then anyway"
etc. Like just look at this latest war, everyone saw Russia going more extreme and authoritarian and kleptocratic for years and years, and we've seen that movie play out for fricking millennia, yet did Germany stop sucking the Russian gas teat a single bit? Did any of the other advanced NATO members even vaguely bother to try to meat the bare minimum military funding until very recently? Nope. The tech is all there, and now they're finally kicking off hydrogen-steel plants in Sweden for example: >https://www.economist.com/business/2022/09/19/can-europe-decarbonise-its-heavy-industry
but they'd be experiencing vastly less pain now if they'd done that years ago. More nuclear power too. But no, humans have to wait until it's a fricking crisis.
You're talking about equipping entire Army Groups worth of Marines with exoskeletons. Even for a sci fi space faring military force, that's pretty expensive.
>The future's coming, anons. Are you ready?
Future?
Anon, Felin has been a thing for 20 years, and includes everything mentioned in the video, and more.
Hacking doesn't work like that but the concern is still warranted.
What would likely be the case, if it was that bad, would be some insider somehow granting access by way of allowing some means for a threat actor to remotely access wherever the data is being kept and maintained. The action movie idea of hacking one of these IVAS units in real time is fun but that's just not the case.
it is possible for the image recognition magick within them to be befuddled by clever usage of patterns, so there's that
can't wait for anti-image recognition camo.
True, but that's a far cry from actively interferring with the visuals and the data. Although I hope at least they have considered hardening the system so looking over SQL code doesn't execute said SQL code as happens with some traffic systems.
At best, the enemy can make decoys. The thermal camera should make sure IVAS can't be fooled by dazzle camo. But images of people that emit heat might fool it. Time to develop blow up soldiers that are filled with hot air.
>hack into enemy visual hud and audio communications in urban warfare >photoshop a gun on to an innocent civilian and tell em to open fire >do this while recording everything from around the corner with a smartphone
Look at those barbarians! They just slaughtered an innocent civilian in the middle of the street.
Depending on how good the optics are (or maybe the operater is wearing some kind of google/headset inside, it may not be necessary for the helmet to move around with the wearer's head and just be a dome with enough room to move your head around in. Good luck if you get an itch though.
>system receives and sends constant traffic >every soldier glows like a fricking beacon to sensors >at close range probably even through solid walls to a cheap chinesium antenna >put 5 dollar antenna on gun >swing around and pull trigger every time it beeps
look at me, I have the wallhax now
>name exactly one issue with what I posted
That you have no idea what frequency hopping spread spectrum or phased array shaped radio is despite it being ancient technology. You think this is running off of WiFi, and you don't really know how that works or how easy it is to pin point down through walls is either.
I'll add that with out of band sync information it's actually possible to get signal from below the noise floor (GPS needs this). So if you have multiple radios sharing a random long seed and with high precision time you can broadcast across time and frequencies in a way that's literally impossible to detect in the outside world without also having the seed because it just looks like random noise that's everywhere anyway.
The radios they're using are Silvus Streamcaster Mini 4210's as "single-channel data radios"
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Spec sheet >https://silvustechnologies.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/StreamCaster-4200-SC4200-Plus-Drop-In-Module-Datasheet.pdf
for those says they support frequency bands from 300 MHz to 6 GHz, support beam forming, and are SDR. Unlike civilians military doesn't have to give a shit about FCC limits or clobbering frequencies, so a lot of the magic is just firmware they can use but we (legally) can't. Given the specs I'd absolute bet that can do frequency hopping if needed. It states flat out it can do beam forming.
Military may just not care at this stage though because in reality nobody has some sort of big antenna array system that'd precisely pin point that sort of radio through a wall nor would it matter much vs all the capabilities this brings and how fast a team can be moving (and also just having the accompanying IFV blast the shit out of that next room without needing to worry about hitting any blues). If that starts to become a threat in 5-10 years they can swap the radio at that point.
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I want that but with sci-fi animal ears. Like fox or cat or dog.
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Having directional hearing would legitimately be really cool. You could probably make something with off the shelf parts, but then you'd be forever branded as "that moron who LARPs innawoods with cat ears on his fastback."
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>Having directional hearing would legitimately be really cool.
That reminds me there was some really interesting research 8 years back that for some reason I can't find any recent articles on. Here's a random one: >https://www.vox.com/2014/11/7/7171119/blind-sonar-echolocation
It was about equipping blind people with sonar so they could navigate via their ears, and they talked about how even for regular folks you could use sound as an extra input channel to "see" ultraviolet say.
I can't believe the military hasn't at least looked into using sound as an extra input channel for other sensors that a computer could translate to. Like if the system has 360°camera/radar/sonar/millimeter wave tech or whatever and 'sees' human shaped unknowns outside the field of view as well as a minimap it could produce spatial audio exactly as if they were emitting noise at that 3D point in space, even if it's behind objects or something. With training that might be a pretty interesting extra sense.
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Having directional hearing would legitimately be really cool. You could probably make something with off the shelf parts, but then you'd be forever branded as "that moron who LARPs innawoods with cat ears on his fastback."
>Having directional hearing would legitimately be really cool.
That reminds me there was some really interesting research 8 years back that for some reason I can't find any recent articles on. Here's a random one: >https://www.vox.com/2014/11/7/7171119/blind-sonar-echolocation
It was about equipping blind people with sonar so they could navigate via their ears, and they talked about how even for regular folks you could use sound as an extra input channel to "see" ultraviolet say.
I can't believe the military hasn't at least looked into using sound as an extra input channel for other sensors that a computer could translate to. Like if the system has 360°camera/radar/sonar/millimeter wave tech or whatever and 'sees' human shaped unknowns outside the field of view as well as a minimap it could produce spatial audio exactly as if they were emitting noise at that 3D point in space, even if it's behind objects or something. With training that might be a pretty interesting extra sense.
Rather than directional ears how about sensors designed specifically to locate gunfire and small drones. I posit they should be thin, long, and articulating.
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The IVAS already does gunshot location by interfacing with the passthrough microphones on active earpro.
I see all this next gen sensor based wireless augmented headsets and all I can think of is "t-shirt cannon loaded with shredded mylar, and microwave cyclotrons hooked to generators funking multimillion dollar shit up for cheap
yep, pop off a few rounds at the invaders, set off 20 cyclotrons and fill the air with chaff then frick off and blend in with the population. meanwhile the invaders are calling in drones and more units and wasting so much while I've been got for over an hour. I can chuckle about it over dinner and do it all over again
>heavy frick off object pulling your helmet down constantly >bluforce tracker that can frick up now in HD >pvt moron pinging things as enemy making you think you're outnumbered 10:1 when it's just one dude with a mosin >batteries lol lmao kek zoz
Can /k/ stop sucking the MIC's dick for two fricking seconds?
frick off object pulling your helmet down constantly
Yeah and NODs are useless too right? lol
tracker that can frick up now in HD
Blue on blue happens already, and conversely so does "our guys died because we couldn't provide heavy fire support because we were scared to hit our guys". >>pvt moron pinging things as enemy making you think you're outnumbered 10:1 when it's just one dude with a mosin
Nice armchair boomer theory crafting.
For all these exoskeleton you see they always use motors, springs, and servos. When are we gonna see a hydrostatic exosuit? Something with some actual power
>For all these exoskeleton you see they always use motors, springs, and servos. When are we gonna see a hydrostatic exosuit? Something with some actual power
I don't think we're going to see any powered armor for a long while yet. What is a lot more interesting and practical are the exoskeletons that are purely for weight grounding. Humans can easily move a lot more mass then we can support on our own frames, like you can fill a cart with hundreds of pounds and even a fairly weak person can pull the thing. With the right designs that they're testing you could have 150-200lbs on a frame that supports all the weight down to frame boots completely passively or with extremely small amounts of energy to help stabilize it. Still have to expend energy to walk around of course but even that would be easier with practice. It wouldn't let you leap buildings or run like a car or one arm a HMG or any super shit like that, but being able to carry an extra 50-100lbs of armor/gear/ammo/water/food/battery/whatever and expend almost no effort when standing around or sitting would still be a pretty significant advantage if one side can do it and the other can't. And it solves the power problem because you barely need any, and would be cheaper and low maintenance.
So I think those designs will see use before actual power armor. Makes infantry even more effective and their lives easier, can also be mass produced.
Real cybernetics with better than human performance (vs stuff intended to help disabled people who are starting from zero and anything is better) is still quite a ways off. I wouldn't worry about anything like that. But much better infantry data processing and integration with AR as well as supportive type exoskeletons will still be a big boost just like NVG was. If you have nightvision and your enemy doesn't it's almost a super power and was a big multiplier for the US. Though probably worth noting that one result was that US doctrine atrophied when it came to fighting at night WITHOUT the advantage which has required adjustment as NVG tech spreads to anyone. Tech advantages tend to be incredibly valuable while you've got it but also often are fleeting.
>true not to mention the brainwashing and memory replacement shit
Well, specifically brainwashing and memory replacement without fricking things. Same issue as cybernetics. It's definitely possible to frick with people's minds and memories right now using drugs/pain/pleasure etc, but you don't get a super soldier out of the result you get a broken wreck which defeats the purpose. We do have cybernetics right now too, lots of kind of mindblowing stuff like direct implants for the visual cortex for vision in the completely blind (optic nerve destroyed, if it's not you can do retina stuff instead more easily). But the result is like if you imagine in pitch black a 40x40 grid of glowing dots and that's it. A genuinely big step over "nothing" for some people, you can do rough navigation and reading with that. We can interpolate a surprising amount from really minimal data. But nobody is trading in their Mk1 eyeballs for such a thing either. Going from that to 16000x12000 in full color/dynamic range or whatever the biological limits of human visual acuity are is kind of a big leap.
This honestly looks like another gadget to beat up on third world countries, random insurgents, and domestic "extremists" who won't be able to counter punch. Against a peer army running electronic warfare measures, giving the airforce and navy a hard time, and actively attacking supply lines I think the usefulness will fade. How is this gadget going to get charged? How will it be maintained? Lots of questions about the viability if it goes up against a real army that can stand up for itself.
So what I'm getting here is:
>you'll know where your dudes are
>you'll know where the enemy dudes (probably) are
>you'll be able to pull up a map
>you'll be able to fricking ping new shit, create routes, and other vidya things
If it works as advertised, then it'll let forces with it absolutely shit on forces without it. Might be an issue if the system can be interrupted or subverted, though.
Imagine a military force that's fricking fluid.
I have low confidence in this not being a pain in the ass in hot or cold environments
ah yes the same old "this will fog up" 85 IQ take
I see it being the greatest pain in hot conditions mainly from sweat on the gasket, but they've said they've got really good antifog coatings going and soldier testing has been in hot and cold conditions.
Yup. Just being able to see where the entire unit is located is enough of a boon. This applies to higher echelons as well. A platoon is connected through their meshnet radios and then is further linked to the company through Bloodhound radio relay vehicles as well as the regular radio meshnet.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/department-of-defense-awards-silvus-technologies-purchase-order-for-streamcaster-radios-301480962.html
ceramicoat type coatings make fog a thing of the past. cerakote has car finish stuff that makes other stuff look like shit for a fraction of the price. their rain-x equivalent is gods own windshield coating. I put it on the wifes great grannys nursing home window on the outside and inside. nothing sticks to it once its cured.
>nothing sticks to my wife’s granny’s window once it’s cured
I’ll be jerkin off to your great nan in law soon to put this to the test
Captcha:NANrJj
how, when you cut off your penis in a troon manic fit?
Key takeaway that all the soldiers in the video mentioned the most was the ability to see each other through walls.
The APC commander in particular seemed to love it because he could see where his allies were in a building and use that information to shoot threw the fricking walls to clear rooms marked as hostile.
If enemy captures one they will immediately get wall hacks though, right?
>ERROR: INVALID USER
>5'2" asiatic MANLET DETECTED
>ENGAGING SELF DESTRUCT SEQUENCE
I chuckled
It's more likely that the one they capture will tell all the other guys "SHOOT ME". The IVAS has a camera feed that is watched by some commander somewhere. He'll be able to tell if a soldier is KIA and someone is fiddling with the IVAS.
Army's indicated they're looking at biometric ID with IVAS, so it'll probably do pupil ID as part of the eyetracking that HL2 already has.
>Army's indicated they're looking at biometric ID with IVAS, so it'll probably do pupil ID as part of the eyetracking that HL2 already has.
Retina-based ID systems are already thing and are massive upgrade in biometric security vs face or fingerprints. In a system like this with goggles and light projection into the eye all of the time it's pretty much a gimme it's so obvious. Combine that with a PIN for bootup that wipes after 3 attempts and it's set.
>Subhuman takes it
>goes to where all his lads are
>gets instantly tracked and jdam'ed
More like
>Equipment gets stolen by subhuman
>Goes back to their hideout to celebrate
>Caculates position based on last known location and location of GPS tracker as it's broadcasting it's location
>Knock Knock motherfricker
>Biometrics
ID tagged soldiers carry ID tagged weapons, using ID tagged gear.
War has changed.
>War has changed.
For the better. Hopefully electronic firing guns and ID there as well soon. If any captured gear is effectively useless to the enemy that's a major and valuable shift.
>If any captured gear is effectively useless to the enemy that's a major and valuable shift.
They'll find a way around these security features eventually
>They'll find a way around these security features eventually
Depending on what they are not necessarily, and more to the point the valuable thing here is time and effort. If it takes a month instead of being able to be picked up and immediately turned on its side that's huge, hell if it takes a week it's not nothing for a lot of stuff.
One thing, among many, I would be concerned about would be information management and being able to separate the useful shit from the garbage in real time.
I imagine a squad leader would be trained on use in situ info and their own tactical acumen to determine if the information they are feeding into the system is worth putting up such as a new route or pinging a potentially new target or something of the like.
now imagine if 3 other people are doing the same thing and noticing the same item. Can that information be rapidly correlated so you don't have a mess of 8 different images for one thing? I don't think a human operator could work fast enough to manage all that data.
it's definitely going to need its own reporting protocols and specialized training for people to be able to convey useful information quickly without a bunch of chaff and false positives, but i think it's a solvable issue. or at least, one that can be mitigated, same as it is for radio chatter.
youre talking about the generation raised on shitty fps game uis with dozens of things happening already
plus i can see ai and/or a human real time analyst team being paired with the input of information at a high enough level to sieve through it for salient info and highlight it for the people who need it most
This is where AI is going to be a massive help in the future. I could see systems like TITAN being used at this scale to help deal with junk information and bring only the most relevant data to the attention of those who need it most.
https://peoiews.army.mil/titan-brings-together-systems-for-next-generation-intelligence-capabilities/
Yeah though a short leap from there to just having AI do it all which I'm genuinely not that excited about.
>Literally having FPS indicatros IRL so you don't frag your own dudes
>Spotting system from BattleField included as well
>Get a real time-ish map as well
I'd imagine this being a force multiplier that is going to be straight up fricking deadly. No more pointing and apporximating where enemy forces are, you just get a nice visual indicator on your screen (or a fricking dorito) and you start blasting and/or moving that way.
I still get annoyed by my expensive ass ski goggles fogging up, my friends have no issues with it. My faith in these kind of anti-fog coatings is quite low, but maybe I'm just used to sub-par products.
>Checked
Still not sci-fi bulletproof though (or capable of tanking a couple of shots before going down). Where's the exoskeleton/power armor damnit.
>Still not sci-fi bulletproof though (or capable of tanking a couple of shots before going down). Where's the exoskeleton/power armor damnit.
I could see these goggles being incredibly useful for SWAT or SOF teams when combined with an exoskeleton. Think about it, you could use an exoskeleton to pile more armor on a man than he could reasonably carry, plus some sort of big frick-off gun. You'll probably only get 20 minutes of battery life carrying all that weight but if you plan raids properly then that'd be all you need. You'd have 3 or 4 of these big tank frickers bust through the entrypoints followed up by regular guys, and it could all be way better coordinated via these goggles.
The future is going to be awesome, for once.
yeah sure but what if you get wall haxxed by the enemy
>subverted
>haxxed
this literally never happens though. how would it even happen?
>soldiers will finally see "Objectives Updated" in their peripheral
"Survive"
>marine version will have microtransactions
>promotions are now gacha-based
>less desirable MOSs have more attractive AI waifus to bait the coomers into filling them
>Objectives Updated: pick up all the brass homosexual, lmao
at least it will highlight all the brass in the hud, imagine the civilian possibilities for brass goblins
>the RSO gets one
>brass drones lock onto brass and catch them before they even hit the floor
>RSO HUD highlights anyone firing more than 1 round a minute
>anyone caught "rapid firing" is doxxed, all devices bricked, and brain chip disabled until their stiff body can be hauled out the door and pissed on by a waiting police officer
Technology was a mistake
I’m waiting for someone to hack it and watch Blaire white troony porn in the middle of a battlefield
I've been ready since 2006
Look at how sci-fi this motherfricker looks
Best part is- Army's going apeshit with these and is buying 120,000 units . This is not some SOF bullshit, nearly every combat unit will have this.
Love it. Now stick an exoskeleton on him.
Cool, can't wait to see all the rest of the NATO getting them at discount when you burgers decide that it's time to upgrade
I wonder how it'll work when it's cold, dark, and snowing a lot, like in Northern Finland for example.
those are really, really good operating conditions for squad level drones/smart munitions. like REALLY good. exactly the conditions you want to just stay stationary and send one of these up, watching through your HUD.
We IMC now
>Look at how sci-fi this motherfricker looks
Lol. If you're looking for stuff that look "sci-fi", pic related was taken around 1995.
I dunno why they don't just mount the sights higher. You might as well have it able to look over a trench wall without the operator getting pinged through the brain
>I dunno why they don't just mount the sights higher. You might as well have it able to look over a trench wall without the operator getting pinged through the brain
Can do that with something else maybe, but also that'd make it hader to fight with if the hud broke. It's clear they're still operating somewhat conservatively, in that they are making sure they aren't 100% dependent on the tech and if it has a failure soliders can still fight well enough to at least do an orderly retreat under normal circumstances. Eventually it might make sense to start embracing everything it offers even if it means unaided humans can't make much use of it anymore because things are so weird without computers. That's happened with other areas like aircraft but not 1st gen.
>Tape up your gun with shitty white tape to blend in with the snow but don't wear camo for it
lol ok.
>white helmet cover
>stock is painted but the rest is taped
>multicam
what a shitshow
GRAW was honestly pretty terrible at calling how the future would look.
Have a question tho.
What happens when in a firefight one of the soldiers gets killed and the enemy combatant picks up the headset?
He will be able to see where everyone is, their goals and probably even the bigger picture.
How will the army mitigate this? Will it have something like iris reader so when you put the helmet on it goes like
>Private John 5467, access authorized.
Will it be connected to the soldiers vital signs like heartbeat/temps and in that case will the high command be able to track their soldiers health status?
>Marine Tom 4321, vital signs critical
Lot's of questions
No anon, you're right. No one has ever thought of that. Only a lonely autist on PrepHole ever considered such a possibility.
Anon you likely carry a device in your pocket that can encrypt itself so hard the FBI will have to whine to whoever manufactured it if they want to have a peek at it, and it does that whenever you aren't looking at it for five seconds. Data security would be pretty easy compared to everything else involved in making some fancy HUD/AR shit.
The future is gay.
I am so fricking tired of reformists bros
Sauce
sauce
>https://www.dvidshub.net/video/857856/peo-ground-combat-systems-ve3
>156 MB
>for a 2 minute 49 second video
>where most of it is shooty filler, and the relevant information it shares could most likely fit inside the 2k character post limit here
I hope someone develops the ability to grow new testicles in a jar for transplant purposes, just so that whoever thought that information should be shared via video can have their balls crushed, stabbed, and otherwise destroyed, repeatedly, every day, for the rest of their lives.
>Enemy soldiers appear as anime girls
>tfw the squad weeb changes the enemy icon to your bestgirl
>Has an option for thermals
Frick how close we bros to become actual predators. We can finally do those Fallujah Jarheads that played the predator noise through out the city justice.
Though to be honest , I gonna miss the quad tube look.
It's standard- that center camera is thermal and the two next to it are digital night vision.
Plus, they've bumped up the rifle thermal FWS-I to 120,000 units, same as IVAS, so everyone with IVAS gets one on their gun as well.
>Fallujah Jarheads that played the predator noise
qrd?
A bunch of Jarheads during the battle Fallujah would play the predator sound effect to scare the insurgents or some moronic shit like that . Keep in mind the average jarhead in Fallujah was like 19 to 25 or something.
That's fricking stupid.
I love it.
That what happens when you seen teenagers and barely young adults in battle. They say and do stupid but funny shit .
One step closer
>no fusion powered exoskeletons
>no portable tactical nuke launcher
ODSTs are gay.
power armor is for pussies
You'd think in universe considering the advances they made that equiping the basic b***h marines with an exo-skeleton or some shit would be the norm.
Stuff like that wasn't economical to develop until a war for the survival of humanity was compelling it. Remember, this is the same universe that was still using brass cased bullets in the year 2525.
After the Covenant war, regular soldiers started getting spartan suits.
>Stuff like that wasn't economical to develop until a war for the survival of humanity was compelling it. Remember, this is the same universe that was still using brass cased bullets in the year 2525.
Yeah it's one of those things that's simultaneously moronic and yet not because of human nature. On the one hand it's weird a lot of stuff is really primitive vs what one would otherwise expect. On the other hand human greed and short sightedness may well continue as long as we exist too and in turn plenty of
>"oh that advanced suit/logistics/infra tech is our companies IP we sue!"
and
>"that whatever is a threat to the rare Planet 10581X17z glowing crabfish we sue!"
and
>"I don't win votes for raising taxes to fund protection against imaginary aliens son I'll be retired by then anyway"
etc. Like just look at this latest war, everyone saw Russia going more extreme and authoritarian and kleptocratic for years and years, and we've seen that movie play out for fricking millennia, yet did Germany stop sucking the Russian gas teat a single bit? Did any of the other advanced NATO members even vaguely bother to try to meat the bare minimum military funding until very recently? Nope. The tech is all there, and now they're finally kicking off hydrogen-steel plants in Sweden for example:
>https://www.economist.com/business/2022/09/19/can-europe-decarbonise-its-heavy-industry
but they'd be experiencing vastly less pain now if they'd done that years ago. More nuclear power too. But no, humans have to wait until it's a fricking crisis.
You're talking about equipping entire Army Groups worth of Marines with exoskeletons. Even for a sci fi space faring military force, that's pretty expensive.
>The future's coming, anons. Are you ready?
Future?
Anon, Felin has been a thing for 20 years, and includes everything mentioned in the video, and more.
imagine these things getting hacked by enemy electronic warfare
it could end very badly
Hacking doesn't work like that but the concern is still warranted.
What would likely be the case, if it was that bad, would be some insider somehow granting access by way of allowing some means for a threat actor to remotely access wherever the data is being kept and maintained. The action movie idea of hacking one of these IVAS units in real time is fun but that's just not the case.
it is possible for the image recognition magick within them to be befuddled by clever usage of patterns, so there's that
can't wait for anti-image recognition camo.
True, but that's a far cry from actively interferring with the visuals and the data. Although I hope at least they have considered hardening the system so looking over SQL code doesn't execute said SQL code as happens with some traffic systems.
At best, the enemy can make decoys. The thermal camera should make sure IVAS can't be fooled by dazzle camo. But images of people that emit heat might fool it. Time to develop blow up soldiers that are filled with hot air.
Complete with morale-improving crotch-mounted inflated tightness corridors.
>hack into enemy visual hud and audio communications in urban warfare
>photoshop a gun on to an innocent civilian and tell em to open fire
>do this while recording everything from around the corner with a smartphone
Look at those barbarians! They just slaughtered an innocent civilian in the middle of the street.
>t. moron who gets his idea of how hacking works from fiction
>The action movie idea of hacking one of these IVAS units in real time is fun but that's just not the case.
I can think of several attack vectors that might be feasible with existing tech.
american military has been working on this future soldier shit for decades
The concept art dude on the right gives me jousting helmet vibes.
Depending on how good the optics are (or maybe the operater is wearing some kind of google/headset inside, it may not be necessary for the helmet to move around with the wearer's head and just be a dome with enough room to move your head around in. Good luck if you get an itch though.
this is moronic
imagine wearing something like this in real urban scenario with CQB and melee combat
that would be pain in the ass
mfw
>system receives and sends constant traffic
>every soldier glows like a fricking beacon to sensors
>at close range probably even through solid walls to a cheap chinesium antenna
>put 5 dollar antenna on gun
>swing around and pull trigger every time it beeps
look at me, I have the wallhax now
Are you moronic?
name exactly one issue with what I posted
Thinking you can do anything is my issue
>name exactly one issue with what I posted
That you have no idea what frequency hopping spread spectrum or phased array shaped radio is despite it being ancient technology. You think this is running off of WiFi, and you don't really know how that works or how easy it is to pin point down through walls is either.
I'll add that with out of band sync information it's actually possible to get signal from below the noise floor (GPS needs this). So if you have multiple radios sharing a random long seed and with high precision time you can broadcast across time and frequencies in a way that's literally impossible to detect in the outside world without also having the seed because it just looks like random noise that's everywhere anyway.
The radios they're using are Silvus Streamcaster Mini 4210's as "single-channel data radios"
Spec sheet
>https://silvustechnologies.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/StreamCaster-4200-SC4200-Plus-Drop-In-Module-Datasheet.pdf
for those says they support frequency bands from 300 MHz to 6 GHz, support beam forming, and are SDR. Unlike civilians military doesn't have to give a shit about FCC limits or clobbering frequencies, so a lot of the magic is just firmware they can use but we (legally) can't. Given the specs I'd absolute bet that can do frequency hopping if needed. It states flat out it can do beam forming.
Military may just not care at this stage though because in reality nobody has some sort of big antenna array system that'd precisely pin point that sort of radio through a wall nor would it matter much vs all the capabilities this brings and how fast a team can be moving (and also just having the accompanying IFV blast the shit out of that next room without needing to worry about hitting any blues). If that starts to become a threat in 5-10 years they can swap the radio at that point.
I want that but with sci-fi animal ears. Like fox or cat or dog.
Having directional hearing would legitimately be really cool. You could probably make something with off the shelf parts, but then you'd be forever branded as "that moron who LARPs innawoods with cat ears on his fastback."
>Having directional hearing would legitimately be really cool.
That reminds me there was some really interesting research 8 years back that for some reason I can't find any recent articles on. Here's a random one:
>https://www.vox.com/2014/11/7/7171119/blind-sonar-echolocation
It was about equipping blind people with sonar so they could navigate via their ears, and they talked about how even for regular folks you could use sound as an extra input channel to "see" ultraviolet say.
I can't believe the military hasn't at least looked into using sound as an extra input channel for other sensors that a computer could translate to. Like if the system has 360°camera/radar/sonar/millimeter wave tech or whatever and 'sees' human shaped unknowns outside the field of view as well as a minimap it could produce spatial audio exactly as if they were emitting noise at that 3D point in space, even if it's behind objects or something. With training that might be a pretty interesting extra sense.
Rather than directional ears how about sensors designed specifically to locate gunfire and small drones. I posit they should be thin, long, and articulating.
The IVAS already does gunshot location by interfacing with the passthrough microphones on active earpro.
I hate reformists so much
I see all this next gen sensor based wireless augmented headsets and all I can think of is "t-shirt cannon loaded with shredded mylar, and microwave cyclotrons hooked to generators funking multimillion dollar shit up for cheap
>gets killed immediately because real life isn't his heckin boogaloo clapped gucci gacked instagram page
yep, pop off a few rounds at the invaders, set off 20 cyclotrons and fill the air with chaff then frick off and blend in with the population. meanwhile the invaders are calling in drones and more units and wasting so much while I've been got for over an hour. I can chuckle about it over dinner and do it all over again
Didn't know blackfaces were allowed in the army.
thats greenface not blackface
its ok to discriminate against goblins
They are now
>heavy frick off object pulling your helmet down constantly
>bluforce tracker that can frick up now in HD
>pvt moron pinging things as enemy making you think you're outnumbered 10:1 when it's just one dude with a mosin
>batteries lol lmao kek zoz
Can /k/ stop sucking the MIC's dick for two fricking seconds?
frick off object pulling your helmet down constantly
Yeah and NODs are useless too right? lol
tracker that can frick up now in HD
Blue on blue happens already, and conversely so does "our guys died because we couldn't provide heavy fire support because we were scared to hit our guys".
>>pvt moron pinging things as enemy making you think you're outnumbered 10:1 when it's just one dude with a mosin
Nice armchair boomer theory crafting.
Now go eat your strained beets ok?
For all these exoskeleton you see they always use motors, springs, and servos. When are we gonna see a hydrostatic exosuit? Something with some actual power
>For all these exoskeleton you see they always use motors, springs, and servos. When are we gonna see a hydrostatic exosuit? Something with some actual power
I don't think we're going to see any powered armor for a long while yet. What is a lot more interesting and practical are the exoskeletons that are purely for weight grounding. Humans can easily move a lot more mass then we can support on our own frames, like you can fill a cart with hundreds of pounds and even a fairly weak person can pull the thing. With the right designs that they're testing you could have 150-200lbs on a frame that supports all the weight down to frame boots completely passively or with extremely small amounts of energy to help stabilize it. Still have to expend energy to walk around of course but even that would be easier with practice. It wouldn't let you leap buildings or run like a car or one arm a HMG or any super shit like that, but being able to carry an extra 50-100lbs of armor/gear/ammo/water/food/battery/whatever and expend almost no effort when standing around or sitting would still be a pretty significant advantage if one side can do it and the other can't. And it solves the power problem because you barely need any, and would be cheaper and low maintenance.
So I think those designs will see use before actual power armor. Makes infantry even more effective and their lives easier, can also be mass produced.
man we are only like a few steps from having fricked up super powered combine soldiers roaming the battlefield
Real cybernetics with better than human performance (vs stuff intended to help disabled people who are starting from zero and anything is better) is still quite a ways off. I wouldn't worry about anything like that. But much better infantry data processing and integration with AR as well as supportive type exoskeletons will still be a big boost just like NVG was. If you have nightvision and your enemy doesn't it's almost a super power and was a big multiplier for the US. Though probably worth noting that one result was that US doctrine atrophied when it came to fighting at night WITHOUT the advantage which has required adjustment as NVG tech spreads to anyone. Tech advantages tend to be incredibly valuable while you've got it but also often are fleeting.
true not to mention the brainwashing and memory replacement shit
>true not to mention the brainwashing and memory replacement shit
Well, specifically brainwashing and memory replacement without fricking things. Same issue as cybernetics. It's definitely possible to frick with people's minds and memories right now using drugs/pain/pleasure etc, but you don't get a super soldier out of the result you get a broken wreck which defeats the purpose. We do have cybernetics right now too, lots of kind of mindblowing stuff like direct implants for the visual cortex for vision in the completely blind (optic nerve destroyed, if it's not you can do retina stuff instead more easily). But the result is like if you imagine in pitch black a 40x40 grid of glowing dots and that's it. A genuinely big step over "nothing" for some people, you can do rough navigation and reading with that. We can interpolate a surprising amount from really minimal data. But nobody is trading in their Mk1 eyeballs for such a thing either. Going from that to 16000x12000 in full color/dynamic range or whatever the biological limits of human visual acuity are is kind of a big leap.
This honestly looks like another gadget to beat up on third world countries, random insurgents, and domestic "extremists" who won't be able to counter punch. Against a peer army running electronic warfare measures, giving the airforce and navy a hard time, and actively attacking supply lines I think the usefulness will fade. How is this gadget going to get charged? How will it be maintained? Lots of questions about the viability if it goes up against a real army that can stand up for itself.