The F-35 is the best currently operational fighter aircraft in the world. Any objections?
The F-35 is the best currently operational fighter aircraft in the world. Any objections?
The F-35 is the best currently operational fighter aircraft in the world. Any objections?
This thread is pointless and your mother is a cankerous whore.
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>Doesn't have EODAS
+5 sociar crerit
WRONG retard
Yes, and anyone saying otherwise isn't worth listening to. F35 sees first and fires first against every other jet in the air. It does this while remaining undetected in most situations. The disparity in power gets even bigger when it's multiples vs multiples. 5th/6th gen air combat formations are super interesting but no one really talks about them.
Only Rafale fags are still seething about best plane.
Well, them and whats left of Sprey's cult
F22 existance
not really, i know it sounds kinda crazy because F35 isn't "supposed" to be the air dominance program, but it's been revealed already that the F35 is at least as difficult to detect if not more so than the F22, and it has a whole suite of sensors other than just it's radar to detect the F22.
F22 may have a larger radar array but the F35 has far more impressive data and sensor fusion and a ridiculous array of electronic warfare options, as well as a bunch of defensive gizmo's that the F22 doesn't have.
so honestly toe to toe, idk, i personally think it's any man's game.
the F22 is a much more capable interceptor and air superiority aircraft compared to worse gen 4 aircraft however, it has much more range, supercruise and a higher service ceiling, the F35 still doesn't actually shine in the role the F22 has nearly as well.
thread tite says fighter aircraft and that tite goes to the F22 or by a long long strech the rafale,in the same sense that a prius wont beat a trailblazer nor a eolution VII on their areas
The A-10 would destroy it in a dogfight.
it also stands no chance when grounded without a pilot vs me with a sledge hammer
Well it's the only 5th gen on the market.
F22 would rape it
The people who would know are not going to tell you, your thread is pointless.
some sort of blackest of black project?
You have zero idea about proper performance data of any modern aircraft. And even if you had, you wouldn't be able to talk about it on an italian pasta drying forum. Stop pretending that your dad works at Nintendo.
The Rafale is superior and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>superior
>loses everytime it has to compete against the F-35
Pick one.
You talk a lot of shit as if the Rafale's early years weren't more troubled than the F-35s
But I'd say a Rafale with Meteors is a better interceptor than the F-35, for now. AIM-260 integration is going to narrow that when it comes.
For strike missions, nothing compares to the F-35.
Are bong f35's not capable of carrying Meteors?
The software doesn't support them and that's maintained and jealously guarded by the USA. It's part of the block 4 upgrade whenever that actually arrives.
What nation currently operates the biggest fleet of F35s?
How many F35s are being built in a month?
How many thirdies can an F35 bomb in one sortir?
The F35 will never be used to fight against equals, it’s a smart bomb delivery system to interdict thirdie militias that don’t play game with the dominant west
The US has the most, after the US it's Japan with almost 150.
It's got 10 hard points and can carry 18,000 pounds of weapons
Not sure on current production numbers but they are looking to get it up to 13 per month by 2025
I seriously wonder why the German morons refuse to replace their aging eurofighter and tornado fleet with F35s
Every modern developed and rich country should focus first and foremost on having a top of the line air force for force projection
They are replacing them though? or at least they are debating on whether to buy 48 or so of them
Procurement sure is slow then
It's Germany bro
The Germans do buy F-35. The Frogs and Spaniards don't though.
Spain is going to buy them, it's just about in their schedule to getting around to it.
>Any objections?
nope, that's why everyone is either
>buying it
>cop(e)ying it
or
>seething about it.
simple as.
not the best designed fighter, but it is the best. with more design forethought it couldve been much better
Id like to see it carry the brunt of a significant military action first. Real operations are always different to paper stats and exercises.
If it does that and succeeds, it will (alongside the F22) have fully dethroned the F16 and F15, the current king and queen of air supremecy.
F-15EX would like to speak with no one. It is busy being fucking sovereign.
Convince me why a more humble and down to Earth honest Sukhoi wouldn't beat "5th Gen" planes with an astonishing Pukachev Cobra or pulling of literal Mihaly-moves? After all, its the pilot, never the planes.
You don't want your plane to be too down to Earth
Youre flying a humble Sukhoi, ready to pull your Pukachev cobra when the amerikanskis turn up, when suddenly your missile warning blares. You bank 120 degrees and pull hard, but its too late. Aircraft is spinning and on fire. You pull the ejection handle and hope Pyotr hasnt pinched the parachute silk for the vodka fund.
but Rafale fags told me BVR missiles don't work?
High Off-Boresight Shooting. It basically means the F-35 can shoot at the Su-57 even if the -57 is directly behind it.
>Why couldn't the Red Baron shoot down an P‐51?
F 22
F22 is better
>fighter
Second to the F-22.
>multi role
Definitely.
>Fly with some junk 4th gen against F-35
>Load 4 IRIS-T missiles
>See missile pop on the radar, fire IRIS-T at the missile x 4
>Close on the F-35
>Gun it down (to make it vintage)
Explain to me why it wouldn't work?
Because you still haven't dealt with the 5th and 6th AMRAAM or AIM-9X. Also, what makes you think you'll beat it in a gunfight?
No 5th or 6th missile in stealth loadout. No gunpod either.
>Also, what makes you think you'll beat it in a gunfight?
It's fat.
most F-35 production is As, which have the cannon integral.
>No 5th or 6th missile in stealth loadout. No gunpod either.
F-35A has an internal cannon. Other 2 variants can carry it in a pod if needed.
On top of that, unlikely that even one of your missiles will successfully shoot down a one fired by the F-35.
>it’s fat
It’s not that fat and has state of the art flight control systems. It’s about as capable in a gun-only dogfight as a typical 4th-gen. If it’s got any missile spare after BVR engagement you’re fucked.
f35 body positivity ?
Actually, they recently finished the Sidekick missile rack. The F-35 can now hold 6 missiles in internal bays.
>issue 1
You can’t really shoot down an aa missile with another as missile. Too small and fast moving to accurately track. You’d be shot down. Even if you got lucky, the F-35 has more than one shot here.
>issue 2
Detection range. Unlikely the missile from the F-35 would pop up on your warning systems early enough to reveal the F-35’s position. Keep in mind that the F-35 keeps moving after firing.
>summary
If your enemy is vastly superior in BVR, you’re fucked.
>You can’t really shoot down an aa missile with another as missile.
Declared capability of IRIS-T. Acquiring heat signature shouldn't be hard, and it intercepts faster missiles as an anti ballistic missile platform.
>Detection range. Unlikely the missile from the F-35 would pop up on your warning systems early enough to reveal the F-35’s position. Keep in mind that the F-35 keeps moving after firing.
Modern AESA can in best case detect AIM-120's assumed signature at around the missile's full range.
>Radar guided missiles outrange IR seekers by a sizable margin.
Doesn't matter when the goal is interception.
>Maybe it works but since the F-35 also carries 4 missiles (6 for current models) even one missed shot means you're dead
I am discussing the minimal viable loadout. A 4th gen disregarding stealth can nearly always carry way more missiles that a 5th gen's internal bay, and IRIS-T is 80kg.
> Properly evading missiles in BVR means either diving for the ground or running out of missile range.
There is no evasion involved.
>Declared capability of IRIS-T. Acquiring heat signature shouldn't be hard, and it intercepts faster missiles as an anti ballistic missile platform
Rate of successful interception? Any source other than the manufacturer?
>Modern AESA can in best case detect AIM-120's assumed signature at around the missile's full range.
You mentioned a ‘junk 4-th’ gen, not a 4+ or 4++ gen fighters. Also, keep in mind that this requires a head-on confrontation which the F-35 would probably try to avoid.
>Rate of successful interception? Any source other than the manufacturer?
The ground version interception ratios versus ballistic missiles and cruise missiles were around 90% last I remember hearing. Otherwise F-35 isn't battle tested either when it comes to stealth.
>You mentioned a ‘junk 4-th’ gen, not a 4+ or 4++ gen fighters. Also, keep in mind that this requires a head-on confrontation which the F-35 would probably try to avoid.
Apparently 4th gens are just junk compared to 5th gen so AESA shouldn't be a big deal. Head on confrontation also depends on the mission. If there is an established front-line it's hard not end up in head-on confrontation.
How many F35s have Sidekick installed?
>The Royal Norwegian Air Force (RNoAF) has tested a new air-to-surface capability developed by Diehl BGT Defence for the IRIS-T. A proof of concept test firing to acquire, track, and engage a target representing a small fast attack boat was conducted in Norway in September 2016, where the IRIS-T missile was launched from an RNoAF F-16AM multirole aircraft. For the air-to-surface role, the missile retains the same standard IRIS-T AAM hardware configuration, including the HE warhead and IIR guidance package, with only an updated software insertion required to deliver the additional ground attack capability.[21] This basic air-to-ground capability provides the ability to acquire, track and engage individual ground targets like boats, ships, small buildings and vehicles.[22]
I don't thinking being in glide phase is cold enough.
>I don't thinking being in glide phase is cold enough.
An attack boat still has an internal combustion engine running just below boiling. An A2A missile is quickly cooled by the passing air and around mach 3 the aerodynamic heating isn't enough to counteract that.
>How many F35s have Sidekick installed?
Is that really the gamble you're going to take? That they haven't had a missile rack fitted?
>An A2A missile is quickly cooled by the passing air and around mach 3 the aerodynamic heating isn't enough to counteract that.
It also has residual heat from the previous stage and is definitely gonna be way hotter than the ambient temps. No way it's not glowing at 20km range.
>Is that really the gamble you're going to take? That they haven't had a missile rack fitted?
How many of them have it fitted then? Likely right now there is about 0% chance of it being installed on some random F35.
>ground version
That’s very important distinction.
>against ballistic and cruise missiles
Another important distinction, as these are much larger and easier to track.
>F-35’s stealth isn’t battle tested
Maybe not but seeing how it is universally trusted, I doubt there’s any issue in that. Ability to intercept air-to-air missiles by another one is unprecedented and should be taken with scrutiny.
>4th gens are just junk
There’s a massive difference between an early 4-th gen and a modern 4++ gen.
>AESA shouldn’t be a big deal
It is.
>If there is an established front-line it's hard not end up in head-on confrontation.
No? Unless a front line is actually a point and somehow operations cannot be expanded into other areas. Pure bs.
>Doesn't matter when the goal is interception.
It does because the A2A missiles near max range will be gliding in. That means they'll be cold and not viable for IR seekers.
>Doesn't matter when the goal is interception.
Actually it does matter because the F-35 can fire off all it's AMRAAMs and then bugger off before you even intercept the first missile. Assuming your 2nd and 3rd missiles didn't try to intercept the carcass of the 1st AMRAAM there's a good chance the F-35 will be long gone before you get to where it was shooting from.
The problem is that if F-35 is shooting anywhere close to 100km away from you, a modern AESA should instantly pickup the RCS of the missile + the plane with an open missile bay. If it's shooting from 100km+ it's also beyond no escape zone of AIM-120C/D.
Two problems with that. First, even if the defender sees the F-35 launch it's going to lose that track as soon as the F-35 closes it's bays. It also can't do anything about that because the pilot needs to worry about shooting the AMRAAMs and making sure each one has at least one missile sent after it. Mind, IR seekers don't have any post-launch cuing so it's very likely that they'll all pile onto the first missile.
Second, because the F-35 has such an advanced EO system it'll probably detect any opponent first and then be able to position it'self behind the target before firing. Likely at ranges that are too close to intercept from.
>A 4th gen disregarding stealth can nearly always carry way more missiles that a 5th gen's internal bay
An F-35A can carry 16x AMRAAMS and 2x AIM-9X and is still more low-observable than your 4th gen. The X-band is getting jammed so hard by the Barracuda it really doesn't matter.
#1. Radar guided missiles outrange IR seekers by a sizable margin.
#2. Shooting a missile down with a missile is risky. Maybe it works but since the F-35 also carries 4 missiles (6 for current models) even one missed shot means you're dead. IR seekers also aren't going to work simply because A2A missiles glide to their targets.
#3. Properly evading missiles in BVR means either diving for the ground or running out of missile range. Either one means you're in no position to pursue the F-35
#4. The F-35 could just ignore you, out maneuver you, or ambush you. Most fighters only have forwards facing search radar so you won't be able to see a launched missile until it was practically on top of you.
#5. If the F-35 successfully displaces before you get into gun range then you've just wasted your time.
Where are you going to engage it alone? All the time you're focusing on missile threats and flying into them you're glowing like a Christmas tree to all the other threats in theater with your 4th gen junk.