the F-22 is a F-15 with stealth skin. And the F-15 is a copy of the Mig 25 Posted on April 30, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor the F-22 is a F-15 with stealth skin. And the F-15 is a copy of the Mig 25
Except the f15 and f22 are good.
Ask me how I know you are retarded.
No, the F-15 is a counter to what the Soviets PORTRAYED the Mig-25 to be and the Americans actually got scared and believed. Then the crazy bastards actually went and took all the made up bullshit propaganda specs and actually somehow made something real that surpassed them.
They didn't actually find out anything about the Mig-25 for years afterwards until 76 when that one defected to Japan. Man were the Americans in for a big let down lol.
Many such cases, I'm sure they are pretty disappointed in all the shit captured from Ukraine.
Anon, the gulf war is proof the US military already fully knew of the collapse of the USSR technological might.
Just went in vs Russian equipment, killed everything, took barely any casualties
>took barely any casualties
Big chunk of the casualties came from FF, too. Friendly fire, in fact, from ground attack aircraft which (in its initial operation) reflected ideas from people that thought we had to be and fight *more* like the Russians. The Coalition took more casualties because of Reformer asshats enamored with "Russia Stronk" than they did to an actual Soviet Model Army.
Really makes you think about how frequent Russian and Soviet-style friendly fire incidents actually are.
It’s a recurring theme to overrate Russian shit. One could think they do it on purpose
How else would they take all the taxpayer money? See also Sig 6.8
>It’s a recurring theme to overrate Russian shit. One could think they do it on purpose
Back in the 1960s? Nah US intel wasn't that great and USSR was running a pretty tight ship. One of those societal tradeoffs, Police States tend to be worse than Democracies at real innovation, keeping corruption in check etc, but they can be quite a bit better at keeping secrets and projecting propaganda.
Also it's a lot better to take things seriously and be conservative and end up with something better than to be caught with your pants down by getting complacent. Particularly since you almost 100% certainly have weaknesses you don't realize, unknown unknowns, as the US has repeatedly discovered. If you then also have massive super strengths on top then you may be able to still muddle through and make up for those weaknesses until they can be corrected later, if you only aimed for "good enough" then suddenly you can find oh, you're actually kinda fucked.
>Original NATO designation
>MiG-25 "Foxbat": Advanced air combat fighter surpassing all existing NATO aircraft in performance. We need all our best people on multiple crash development programs ASAP.
>1976 Updated NATO designation:
>"Disappointment of the fucking century man" - McDonnell Douglas
It was never a fighter. It was an interceptor. It's job was to rocket up to high altitude, shoot the target up the ass (the planned but then cancelled B-70), then return to base. That's it.
Wasn't known until 76 to the Americans
>iT wAs A cOpY oF sOmEtHiNg tHaT dIdNt EvEn ExiSt ThIs Way
If you wanna play more stupid games, it was a counter not a copy.
it was a flying brick of carbon steel and jet engines with everything else sacrificed so it could get off the ground and travel fast in a straight line.
Which is exactly what the Soviets needed to cover the endless wastelands.
The fact that they had never had a real air superiority fighter until the Su-27 is telling though.
>da, retard rush is all we are of needing, comrade vodkavitch
>now lie to americans about what it can do
>Which is exactly what the Soviets needed to cover the endless wastelands.
A flying brick with less legs than a MIG-23? Mig-25 has shit range, a perfect companion to the soviet wastelands.
And it was still able to down an F18 during Desert Storm
At the end of of the day it’s still a big fat hot rod interceptor with big fat hot rod long range missiles.
Yeah because JTAC didn't give clearance to swat it down. It's not some great victory just a tragic fuckup on the coalition's part.
Armatard sucks donkey dicks.
> And the F-15 is a copy of the Mig 25
MiG-25 inlets are plagiarized from 1950s A5 vigilante, in fact MIG25 prototypes looked like a classic soviet cigar. It's very common for all 1960s soviet designs (Su-19, Mig-23, Sukhoi T-4, Tu-22 early and late, Tu-160), soviets tried to copy everything.
You wanna play stupid games? Picture related.
>First flight 31 August 1958
>Introduction June 1961
>google surviving A-5s
>shitload of seemingly complete airframes at China Lake
>wrecked A-6s, Harriers, B-29s as well
I'd honestly never heard of the A5 before this thread. Why is it so unknown in popular culture and why was its service life so short?
I mean holy fuck, look at pic related. Before reading this thread if you were to tell me that this was an aircraft that first flew in 1958 I'd tell you that either
>AI generated images are getting really good
>You've invented a machine that allows you to take photos from alternate dimensions
That shape and design is just so absurdly modern for the 50's, it's a giant flying anachronism. It looks like it belongs in the 70's with the F-15, 14 and 16, it looks like something that could potentially still be in service today with various militaries.
No notable combat history and relegation to a reconnaissance role means that it isn’t viewed as having the same impact as contemporary fighters.
I mean the F-5 which is a 50s design is still in service with heavy modernisation. Gave us the Super Hornet, Mig29 and T-7 which will ultimately replace it as a trainer.
Army didn't want it and it's bigger than the F-14, that could sweep its wings for storage while A-5 could not.
Navy in general wasted so many F- and A- designations being gays.
>age of supercarriers
>space STILL not enough
i propose we take the USS enterprise and scale it up 100%
America will soon unveil the worlds first "Super Duper Carrier". Its like a Supercarrier, but way bigger
also in the pipeline is the first Super Duper Mega Carrier, and finally the Super Duper Ultra Mega Carrier
When will they unveil the USS Tengen Toppa Barack Obama?
I agree and have the same question no cap
This was developed in 1944 and built in 1945 by the US Army, look familiar? Wasn't deployed because it was thought that it would be too risky to put that many guys in one vehicle, armored or not, and so the smaller M75 was used in Korea, which eventually led to the M113 we all know and love today.
hey op, i have a riddle for you:
How come Mikoyan was trying to build his long range interceptor by upscaling MiG-21 airframe bigger (Ye-150 series) , and after years of failures, he suddenly had this brillant idea for new aerodynamic shape, after visiting 1959 Paris Airshow when he saw latest american jet, North American A-5 Vigilante being presented to the public.
Interesting coincidence, isnt it?
Why is it that Soviet aircraft always have fucked up proportions in comparison to similar Western counterparts?
Is it surprising the F-15 looks like the MiG-25, despite their dissimilar role? Or is it pretty natural that if you want a very fast spyplane with Soviet technology, you need a lot of thrust (2 engines), a fuselage that won't melt (titanium), and that necessitates huge wings, while if you want a big maneuverable BVR fighter, you want a lot of thrust (2 engines) and big wings (more lift), so you get something F-15 looking, so it winds up being pretty much a coincidence?
(I know the F-15 was based on what the US thought the MiG-25 was, but they presumably assumed it weighed more like the F-15s 28,000lb empty and less like the actual weight of 44,092 lb empty.)
>go down the A-5 rabbithole
>find out that the basic premise of the F-15 (and the Mig-25) was designed in NINETEEN FUCKING FIFTY FOUR
>Less than ten years after the end of WW2 and professional aviation designers at large aviation corporations were already designing pic related
You know what, I'm now thoroughly convinced by all the tinfoil hat wearers who say that military technology is secretly 20-30 years ahead of what we currently have. We had the basic premise for the F-15 ready to go at a point in time when there were still Japanese holdouts fighting on Guam, I'm now ready to believe that we have flying saucers capable of visual invisibility and faster-than-light travel.
Well, just because they figured out the shape early on doesn't mean they could actually build the thing.
We basically figured out areodynamics in the mid 40's, after that it was just getting everything else up to snuff to keep up. In fact, one of the textbooks I used when I was in college was called Areodynamics For Naval Aviatiors, which was published in like 1955 iirc, and the professor said that theres literally no better book to use because they figured it all out by that time and ANA is packed full of good info
>We basically figured out areodynamics in the mid 40's,
Transonic and supersonic yes, of course, however incompressible flows were pretty much all laid out by Prandtl and Munk in the '20s. Their theories are what I learned in uni in my aerodynamics courses.
Aerospace technology advanced really quickly from the end of ww2 to the 60s then it slowly started to die down
>Hit a height record of 91,000 feet with 1000kg of payload by reaching mach 2.1 and going on a ballistic trajectory since the wings wouldn't work at that height.
My favorite thing about it is the fact that it literally shits out nuclear weapons.
Apparently, I have the mindset of a five year old stuck in the “poop is funny” phase, despite being thirty
Supersonic weapons separation testing, especially with larger diameter strategic weapons, wasn't very well explored when the A-5 was being developed. Shocks coming into a standard bomb bay would whip shit around and often throw the thing back into the plane. See also how the B-58 Hustler would just punch the "Drop tank" with the bomb inside off over the target. The F-105 Thunderchief, a contemporary of the A-5 actually had an internal bomb bay, but that was covered up for more conventional bomb racks.
based retard thread
you are forgetting that people used to be way smarter back in the day and 99% of engineers and administrators are actually functional retards now
Wrong, the issue is all the broad principle theories has been established in those days, it comes down to plugging the gaps in knowledge, developing better and more accurate models to the most minute detail that covers the most esoteric and exotic exceptions and fringe scenarios. This reductionist approach to research just results in creating fields within fields of study (this is compounded on top of creating fields of study that just explores the most effective means and way to holistically and systematically unify everything in a neat design/implementation package). This takes exponentially more human and technological capital to achieve.
On top of all this, the material science, electronics and engineering needs to catch up to the aerodynamic design theory and all of those fields are their own can of worms, otherwise no matter how perfect your theories and models are, the thing you're building still won't work if you don't have the engines, the advanced electronics, sensors or materials that can withstand the forces and conditions your super aircraft needs to operate at.
>99% of engineers and administrators are actually functional retards now
Where do takes this retarded even come from?
You are a worthless retard
Nah then the mig 23 is a copy of the F-111
All aircraft are descended from the Wright Flyer so every aircraft russia has made is a copy of an american one
The Wright flyer also had canards.
Europeans LOVE canards.
Ergo, the Wright family should sue the fuck out of the EU for copyright infringement and make a gorillion dollars
Interesting fact: the MiG-25 is 50% heavier than the F-15.
The F-15 is a copy of what the US thought the MIG-25 was, which was a badass air superiority fighter. In reality, the MIG-25 was just an exceptionally fast interceptor.
MiG25 speeds are horseshit
Mach 2.5 is the limit for traditional turbojets
You need bypass ducts to go higher than 2.5 because of compressor stalling
basically the fan blades cannot turn fast enough to clear all the air coming in