The optics industry and their shills have convinced the entire gun community that you need fucking lights projected on glass to shoot. It’s seriously not that fucking deep. If you don’t got iron sights then you’re just a straight up dumbass. I don’t give a fuck what you put on top of your rifle.
>poor >saves disgustingly weird reaction gifs on his pc
Chud behavior.
https://i.imgur.com/Ydeeq1i.jpg
I am literally in the middle of trying to figure out whether I should buy an Aimpoint Comp M4 or an Eotech. I'm leaning towards the Eotech largely because the FOV is better (square over circle) and the reticle is so much better. Plus zero parallax and it's better with NODs that I'll get some day.
ACOG is not a comparative you crapcunt, it's a magnified optic and these are 1x.
Why the M4? It’s one of the largest, bulkiest, and all around worst offerings from aimpoint.
>Why the M4? It’s one of the largest, bulkiest, and all around worst offerings from aimpoint.
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why is that? im thinking compM4s or eotech, i also like the sig romeo 8t or the micro t2
>both cost roughly the same (well, depending on the eotech model in question) >both weigh roughly the same (they're heavy) >both come with quick detach (again, depending on eotech model) >both are night vision compatible (yet again, depending on the eotech model)
Where the Eotech wins:
>bigger window >the 1 MOA dot works better with magnifiers
Where aimpoint wins:
>quick detach is of higher quality and easier to operate >comes with removeable spacer for your optic height choice >Comes with protective flip up caps >Front flipcap is blacked out for when you want to shoot/train with an occluded dot. No need for tape. >battery life is really good >dot brightness wheel is much easier and faster to adjust than push button >much more durable optic
Don't let the window size of the Aimpoint Pro fool you. It's actually quite a bit bigger than it looks. Definitely bigger than most pistol optic sights. I bought the aimpoint pro for competition in USPSA PCC division. And I have never lost the dot even when shooting from weird positions. We're talking about a rifle here, not a pistol. You won't lose the dot trust me.
You're right. I don't disagree there. Especially with a handgun or for most people's shooting skills. But using dots is still fun.
Eotech
It’s preferred by all American special operations forces with actual experience because of its larger window
At the distance you’d need an aim point an LPVO would suit your purposes much better
I like my eokek but I can understand why someone would prefer an aimpoint, especially with their longer lasting batteries. However the EXPS3 is the GOAT for passive NV and that matters more to me. Both are thoroughly combat proven so you're not going to be let down by either product, though I hear Eotech has had some lemons as of late so that's worth considering
You shoot more at night than during the day?
https://i.imgur.com/wTSQYpf.jpg
Based acog enjoyer.
>TA01NSN
Unfathomably based.
https://i.imgur.com/YZ8BCZb.gif
Unless you are in a real war scenario, all you need is a $35 Chinese knockoff.
This is not up for debate, I am correct.
What's the difference between a $35 sight and a $730 sight?
The real one doesn't reflect light so much, the fake one reflects light almost like a mirror.
The real one feels higher quality, would likely last more impacts/drops.
I have personally used a Chinese knockoff for several years now, you should too.
LOL, my pops has all his guns with cheap chink optics and scopes. And you know what? Despite the fact he takes them hunting, and to the range often. Those things have held zero and worked well. The truth is though, good luck convincing the average PrepHole poster that he won't get into a big firefight where his optic or rifle get bumped hard. But if you compete often or work a dangerous job. A quality dot is needed.
I am literally in the middle of trying to figure out whether I should buy an Aimpoint Comp M4 or an Eotech. I'm leaning towards the Eotech largely because the FOV is better (square over circle) and the reticle is so much better. Plus zero parallax and it's better with NODs that I'll get some day.
ACOG is not a comparative you crapcunt, it's a magnified optic and these are 1x.
Tbqh they're both basically the same thing. Get whatever you like more. It seems like you want the EOtech more so just get that.
Eotech is fine if you have unlimited free backups made possible by Uncle Sam's logistic system. AND if you have a very short mission window like spec ops often do.
They are better for NV use because of the big window.
IMHO, AP is a better sight overall because I hate how busy the Eotech reticle is. It's great for speed, bad for precision.
ACOG + RMR = king.
>if you have a very short mission window >The low end of the battery life is 600 hours >which is 25 days if it's on for 24 hours a day consecutively.
Exactly what mission(s) do you think you'll be doing let alone ones where this time frame becomes a risk factor for battery life and also why can't you just bring spare batteries?
I swear you guys really love to major in the minors.
If you're out on a 'mission' that could last that long you will either die or kill someone and take their rifle before you run out of batteries.
In reality you're going to take your rifle to the range once a month or week at best, shut up.
It's not just about the battery life, but the high chance of random failure compared to Aimpoint or prism optic. Plus, SOCOM is known to put new batteries in Eotechs before every mission because they can afford it lol
All baiting and emotions aside I’ll try to explain to you why red dots are better than irons in a clear concise way.
I’m a competitive pistol target shooter but what I say apply to both pistols and rifles, just a bit more so for pistols.
When you’re shooting you have 2 major things to consider; sight alignment and sight picture.
Sight alignment is how the rear sight and front sight are positioned in relation to each other and sight picture is where on the target you are aiming.
One of the first things you learn when learning target shooting is sight alignment but many make the mistake of thinking that if they know how the sight alignment is SUPPOSED to be they can move on to learning other things. This is wrong.
The difference in point of impact from a slightly incorrect sight alignment, say from a shaky hand, is sometimes (especially with pistols) even bigger than the difference you’d get from a slightly incorrect sight picture.
When using a red dot you effectively eliminate the issue of sight alignment, allowing you to focus completely on the sight picture. Theoretically there is parallax but it’s nowhere near enough to make a difference depending on how you look through the red dot assuming your red dot isn’t trash.
When you’re laying down and are able to hold the rifle completely still and have perfect sight alignment there is no major advantage to red dots over iron sights though
Can't believe nobody noticed that FPBP. Irons forever and always. Amen.
Fpbp, optics are cope for not being able to shoot
Irons are inferior to optics
t. someone who shoots with irons like 90% of the time because I shoot that raceA2 and the .22 with the red dot off more often than the carbine
I am literally in the middle of trying to figure out whether I should buy an Aimpoint Comp M4 or an Eotech. I'm leaning towards the Eotech largely because the FOV is better (square over circle) and the reticle is so much better. Plus zero parallax and it's better with NODs that I'll get some day.
ACOG is not a comparative you crapcunt, it's a magnified optic and these are 1x.
IMO the only thing other optics have on eotechs is battery life, and even then they have gotten a bit better with recent production ones, although I have never had issues with battery life, I just change it at regular intervals like any other battery
That's a pretty terrible option, honestly. Get an Aimpoint Duty RDS if you're choosing between an Aimpoint and an EOTech and can't afford a T2. If you can, get the T2. Also, worrying about FOV on unmagnified optics let's me know you're a fucking idiot. Shoot with both eyes open and any advantage the EOTech has is null and void.
It WILL still be better under night vision, but I know for a fact you're too poor to afford that, so don't even worry about it.
>because the FOV is better
Just shoot with both eyes open like you're supposed to and the size of the "optic window" is utterly irrelevant. Unless you're seriously considering throwing a magnifier behind the optic get the Aimpoint for the battery life.
I still like the reticle better though, I have a SigRomeo5 and it's fine for a 9mm PCC but for a 5.56 rifle the Eotech's reticle is just better. Surprisingly Eotechs are like $100-200 cheaper than an Aimpoint too. $1200 just seems like too much for a red dot.
>$1200 just seems like too much for a red dot
In that case get the Eotech and as long as it was made in the last couple of years you should be very happy, crappy battery life notwithstanding. However if you don't care about night vision then the Aimpoint H2 might be an option. Aimpoint markets it to hunters primarily but it's literally a Micro H1/2 without the night vision settings and a slightly worse warranty for less money.
>Of course it does.
No it doesn't. Open your other eye. >the more off the stock your face can be and still see the reticle
The mm of difference will never matter. >parallax
won't even begin to be a problem with either of these optics.
Of the acogs I tried it was my favorite, though I do plan on throwing an RMR on there at some point even though it'll ruin the aesthetics. It seems to work well in most lighting conditions, no bloom as you mentioned, no fiber to worry about breaking.
I do understand the appeal of the fiber models in the days before compact red dots since it was likely it would have to perform double duty as a close in optic as well. But for the mid-range work that I exclusively wanted it for I love it.
Also that rifle was my original poorfag budget build. Started out as a worn-out training rifle I bought from a guy who had shut down his small PMC after everything wound down in Iraq. Replaced the original DPMS HBAR upper with a BCM, bought the RAS from a guy for like $35 because they weren't retro cool at the time, found a broken detachable carry handle and cut it down with a hacksaw and some files to use as a backup. Originally it had a CompM3 in a LaRue mount, I do wish I hadn't sold that.
Acog is a good optic, but the carry handle went away for a reason. There's no advantage over a flat top upper. People who enjoy the carry handle enjoy it for the Retro aesthetic/feel, or trying to be contrarian.
I use an lpbo because it simplifies things and I'm not out here trying to be John Wick or Jerry Miculek. If I had night vision I might make the switch to an EOTech with a magnifier.
I'm torn between an lpvo and adding a magnifier to my red dot. I don't have any delusions about SHTF but between the two, but I realistically won't be shooting beyond 300yd so true 1x with optional 3 or 5x seems more applicable than 6x with a pseudo 1x.
I had a G33 liked it; and the more I thought about an LPVO I realized 3x with the benefit of taking it off when I want is a good fit for me and my distances. I did get a 5x for my Beowulf which has been a good way to get some more distance. I have two Falke magnifiers from DVOR, absolutely on par with the G33.
Give it to me straight, wow like cool or wow like nice try for a retard. It’s my chonky .50.
1 month ago
Anonymous
fuck off it’s not made in Germany. it’s „designed“ in Germany
1 month ago
Anonymous
Well I have fact checked your claim as “mostly true” since they are a German company and not part of the PLA.
I want it in my mouth.
Sounds kind of gay.
Fpbp, optics are cope for not being able to shoot
When I worked for the Gov we had to qualify at 400M with irons only with our Commandos and I think it’s like any activity where tech won’t make you awesome without fundamentals.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Not him, but I KINDA like it! >UBR Chad >LaRue rail meh >Exposed gas block MEH, BUT: >Is that a collar for a reflex/AEM-type can? If so, mega based. >Fuckin' radial brakes, how do they work? >RDS+Mag also based >MOE grip meh >Hexmag ghey >Ladder covers instead of rail covers meh >Don't particularly care for the light setup myself tbh fampai, but you do you. >I'm withholding judgement on the anti-walk pins & extended mag release for now, don't know much about the internals, obviously. >Are you a lefty? If not, ambi safety BIG ghey.
I think that's about it.
In my retarded opinion, if you rarely have area that you can even see past 300 yards/memers, there's no reason to get an LPVO when modern red dots have battery lives measured in years and the batteries are cheap and plentiful enough to stack deep. They don't provide any additional capability in that case and only add weight and fragility.
Another plus if you're poor like me is that you can buy the red dot and save up for the magnifier separately.
Another option is the TA01NSN with RMR/P2 but you basically have a chin-weld when using the dot with that setup unless you have a really long face
On the flip side, if you're in the desert or somewhere else with really long sight-lines, that extra magnification might worth the trade-off. Again the ACOG/RMR combo is still viable here and more durable
Eotech
It’s preferred by all American special operations forces with actual experience because of its larger window
At the distance you’d need an aim point an LPVO would suit your purposes much better
It definitely is the NV king, but tbh they have pretty much been actively aiming for the last several decades since zero percent of the people that SOCOM/JSOC are shooting at have NVGs.
I personally use the EOkek EXPS3 and I love it, but the Aimpoint really is a more sensible choice. The EOTech is the mentally unbalanced cheerleader with fake knockers, whereas the Aimpoint is the 7/10 farm girl that will bear you many strong children.
Eotech is fine if you have unlimited free backups made possible by Uncle Sam's logistic system. AND if you have a very short mission window like spec ops often do.
They are better for NV use because of the big window.
IMHO, AP is a better sight overall because I hate how busy the Eotech reticle is. It's great for speed, bad for precision.
>ACOG + RMR = king
I used to have this setup, but upon buying night vision I realized that the battery powered ACOG is the better choice because of where the RMR sits on it compared to the tritium version. I really liked it though, might get another one some day.
Just extend the stock a little lol.
Battery cog is fine, except you give up some durability with the fragile adjustment knob, and the classic looks of the TA31.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Nah, even all the way out the RMR directly above the rear of the receiver isn't great with NVGs. This is in addition to the fact that I personally think that the dual illuminated ACOG is neat but it doesn't have a practical advantage over the battery powered version for me.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I will never understand you stupid fags who have a hard time with a piggyback dot on a non-battery acog, I do it with a pvs-7 just fine.
1 month ago
Anonymous
No need to get emotional, sport. I used it well enough during NV shoots but I'd prefer the battery powered ACOG with manual control, single illustration 1 MOA RMR if I ever reroll on trijicon.
TBQH Senpai. This dude is right. I own both. The years long battery life on Aimpoint and what to me feels like more of a precision shooter. EoKek feels like I am ok with close enough. Guess that’s why I have EO on AK
Assuming you can afford either and still make rent, and assuming you know how to change a battery and can competently complete that task every 3-4 months, whichever one you shoot better with.
Neither. I have wicked astigmatism that makes red dots look like either a starburst or a bunch of grapes, depending on the lighting situation and the brightness of the red dot. Low powered or 1x prisms for me.
Hear me out astigmabros
Try and find a g33 magnifier plus eotech and look through it
For whatever reason, the eotech alone was blurry to me, like all other dots
But swing the g33 in front, it cleared up completely. Unbelievable to me eyes. It's my favorite optic now, like a two piece acog kind of, but I love it
Interestingly acogs are still blurry
lol dude sounds like you have some eye problems. But the holographic technology of the eotech does work better with magnifiers in comparison to the simpler dot technology.
Neither. I have wicked astigmatism that makes red dots look like either a starburst or a bunch of grapes, depending on the lighting situation and the brightness of the red dot. Low powered or 1x prisms for me.
I like my eokek but I can understand why someone would prefer an aimpoint, especially with their longer lasting batteries. However the EXPS3 is the GOAT for passive NV and that matters more to me. Both are thoroughly combat proven so you're not going to be let down by either product, though I hear Eotech has had some lemons as of late so that's worth considering
I’ve never owned a tube red dot. Just Holosuns and eotechs. Is the tiny window on tube-style dots as much of a pain in the ass to work with as it seems? I’m inclined to think yeah, but then everyone has tube red dots even when box-type ones with massive windows exist, so I’m missing something.
Larger windows really aren't of much benefit unless you're passive aiming. Holosun kinda has a middle ground between the two with the AEMS with good passive performance to boot.
Aimpoint for me because I have severe astigmatism and Eokeks are basically unusable. If you don’t have fucked up eyes, eotech is supposedly better for NV
Eokek seems to be pretty divisive amongst those of us with astigmatism. Half of us say eokeks work well, the other half say they're unusable. Personally mine isn't so bad that I can't use an aimpoint, it just smears the dot into a comma. Though I bought a budget holosun last year for shits and giggles and it on the other hand is essentially unusable for me on daylight brightness settings.
Unless you are in a real war scenario, all you need is a $35 Chinese knockoff.
This is not up for debate, I am correct.
What's the difference between a $35 sight and a $730 sight?
The real one doesn't reflect light so much, the fake one reflects light almost like a mirror.
The real one feels higher quality, would likely last more impacts/drops.
I have personally used a Chinese knockoff for several years now, you should too.
That is the only pro of the MRO. However, that's a pro that doesn't really matter when looking at the big picture (no pun intended). You're supposed to shoot with both eyes open either way. So the field of view doesn't come into play when you're shooting close ranges like for CQB shit, you're super imposing the red dot on what both of your eyes are seeing. And when you're shooting further away, everything will EASILY be inside of a small optic window as well. Really the big field of view might help absolute beginners to find the dot or something. But even someone with even the smallest amount of competency and training will be able to find the dot on something like the Aimpoint Pro.
Not to mention it's a rifle. Meaning the dot will sit closer to your eye than with a handgun mounted dot where you extend your arms forward. There's also zero reciprocation of the dot. And less felt recoil/dot jump.
Honestly I can't speak for it past what I know other people say about it and it's features (or lackthereof). It's rather new and unproven compared to the pro. While the pro has been used extensively and has gotten quite the reputation for durability.
From what I can tell about the Duty: >smaller window (no biggie to me but I doubt you want an even smaller window than the pro if you're interested in window size) >lighter weight >uses 2030 batteries which are more common so that's good >does not come with a heavy duty quick detach mount >the digital brightness button sucks balls for quickly changing settings
Probably gonna be very durable since it's an aimpoint after all. If you're trying to choose between the Pro and Duty, it basically comes down to the awesome quick detach and removeable spacer mount that comes with the pro and the nicer brightness settings knob. Or the lighter weight and more compact form factor of the Duty.
The AEMS has passive aiming performance on par with the best options on the market. It's kinda ugly but that's the only downside.
1 month ago
Anonymous
form > function
every larper knows this
1 month ago
Anonymous
>shopping for optic risers >black unity mount not on sale >tan unity mount is on sale >conclude that tan will not match anything on rifle and will look ugly >buy black one at full price
such is the life of a gun owner
1 month ago
Anonymous
>shopping for optic risers >black unity mount not on sale >tan unity mount is on sale >conclude that tan will not match anything on rifle and will look ugly >buy tan mount >buy tan rifle
I'm in favor of the eotech, but I'll give credit to aimpoints, their whole spiel is red dots that will outlast the batteries that can withstand a fucking grenade.
Do you not wear glasses?
I have an astigmatism too, but wearing glasses it goes away and I can see the aimpoint dot fine.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Why would you wear glasses for an issue that's only apparent while using red dots?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>not wearing 24/7 eyepro
ngmi
1 month ago
Anonymous
I've been looking for stylish 24/7 eyepro like that
1 month ago
Anonymous
protip: It's not eyepro, just regular fancy glasses.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Did you not see:
https://i.imgur.com/HJZk6ER.jpg
Please make this a patch
That is how you always see lights, glasses will correct the issue.
Why post if you aren’t the person being asked, have no context or clue what you’re talking about, and don’t have anything to contribute?
1 month ago
Anonymous
I'm the guy. Don't have issues driving at night. Only red dots have starbursts and smearing.
1 month ago
Anonymous
If you obky see it while looking down your site then you do not have astigmatism my dude
1 month ago
Anonymous
Then what is it? Eotechs work a lot better than red dots for me
I know this is a meme, but I got one cheap from a guy who used his for pistol bullseye. I put one of the 16 MOA diodes in and it's unironically fantastic. You just walk around with this glowing basketball of death floating in front of you and just blast things.
>hey man, you know how peep sights are super good at aligning themselves automatically? >You know how a rifle lets you have a long sight radius too? >Yeah bro, we made a sight that undoes all of that so your rifle is as usable as your piece of shit pistol irons.
Eurogunz here.
I've been successfuly running this setup (11.5" .223 AR with holochink RDS and holoching 3x magnifier)
I've been wondering if I should switch to an LPVO instead, any recommendations ?
Honestly I dislike the fact that I can't keep my flip-up rear sight because there's no space left on the upper.
I'm thinking about getting a canted mount for it, but then again I'm also wondering about just replacing my optics with an LPVO.
the 1x of an LPVO is garbage. you literally just use it on max magnification. Meaning you will have to use an offset dot and since you’re running an SBR, you will be using that offset dot most of the time.
tl;dr waste of money. stick to dot+magnifier. It’s cooler anyway
Too much extra weight for capability that is lost on a short 5.56.
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You're correct about mag+dot being better for a sbr, but saying the 1x sucks on all LPVOs is fucking retarded.
Thank you both for your insight.
Keeping RDS+magnifier seemed right to me, I just wanted another opinion.
I too feel like an LPVO at 1x would be fucking awkward and cumbersome at close range.
My holochink RDS is very good, very clear and has a satisfying FOV, I can quickly switch between reticles (3 MOA dot and 65 MOA eotech-type circle).
It's a lot of weight though, but nothing as bothering as the suppressor.
Thanks, PrepHoleommandos.
Too much extra weight for capability that is lost on a short 5.56.
the 1x of an LPVO is garbage. you literally just use it on max magnification. Meaning you will have to use an offset dot and since you’re running an SBR, you will be using that offset dot most of the time.
tl;dr waste of money. stick to dot+magnifier. It’s cooler anyway
You're correct about mag+dot being better for a sbr, but saying the 1x sucks on all LPVOs is fucking retarded.
>55gr at 2,650-2,700fps
TF is even the point? There's ammo that's either heavier or loaded hotter, sometimes both, than that for SBR's, not usually much more expensive than the typical stuff (minus Wolf/Tula retarded poors), yet people continue to buy underloaded """M193""", and I don't understand.
>Be eotech enthusiast >Turn it on at 7pm in case of home invasion >Home invaders break in at 3:01am >Your optic is off, but luckily they leave after you turn on a flashlight and yell >It's ok, you have a 2008 model eotech, surely they allow disabling auto shutoff on the 2023 models >Uh oh, 15 years later and u still don't get this incredibly simple option that every other red dot on the market has had forever
I understand why they have the auto-shutoff, but really, EOTechs have some of the easiest buttons to press to turn them on. If it's a problem for you, put a red dot on your home defense rifle.
I have a regular Romeo 5 and like it. I'd like to get the XDR with its cool reticle but can't pull the trigger when I realize I got mine on sale for $100 plus shipping.
I saw a review on their Mark 6HD Patrol 1-6 FFP FireDot and thought I should maybe try one even though I've really never been super keen on 1-6 LPVO's, the Leupold seems pretty decent with apparently the only real "gripe" I heard was the illumination really only shows up apparently if you're perfectly in line with the scope. Other than that, decent price, lightweight, not Chinkshit, etc. Sounds good! >And THEN
Turns out Leupold, in their infinite wisdom, discontinued the FFP option and only has the SFP for sale now. I fucking *HATE* SFP, so I'm not buying that shit.
Classic Leupold, sometimes I wonder if I should "forget" they exist too.
Maybe some day I'll be happy though. Perhaps tomorrow March will release a new-gen shorty 1-10 that kicks the shit out of every other LPVO and I'll buy once, cum once. Until that day though, EoKek + G45 is the sauce.
I find the Eotech reticle way too obstructive and distracting so I prefer traditional red dots, but admittedly I've only ever used them for static target shooting and that's not really the point of the Eotech, maybe I'd like it if I were shooting man-sized targets quickly at short range.
>early gwot >switch from carry handles to acog, big upgrade >mid/late ‘00s >everyone realizes ACOGs are just meh >poor eye relief, useless reticle >literally everyone switches to superior red dot/magnifier, specter, or short dot/lpvo that are much more versatile and useful >acogs practically extinct the remainder of gwot >decade+ later >retarded zoomie ar hipsters unironically start buying acogs again because their favorite youtube/ig twink uses one
acogs are totally mediocre outside of target shooting at fixed ranges.
absolutely insane and retarded how much you gays shill these and ignore 20 years of optic development just to go against the grain.
but hey, enjoy your sub par, outdated optic, as long as it looks cool for your “build.”
>retarded zoomie ar hipsters unironically start buying acogs again because their favorite youtube/ig twink uses one
I was personally thinking it was GWOT-era nostalgia, that, as a 90's kid, I'm all for, but here you are, ruining shit for me.
Thanks anon.
Just got a T2 from Eurooptic and there's some fucking fleck making a second dot in the corner. Cleaning the lens does nothing. Is there some trivial fix I'm unaware or is this a "send it back and try again" issue?
The second dot is still visible on any brightness bright enough to see the main dot, I just cranked it up to better illustrate it. The ring is a nonissue as it goes away completely on sane brightness, but the second dot is always visible and kind of annoying. If that's just normal then it is what it is, it's still beautifully clear. I just expected it to not do that since it wasn't a gripe I've previously read even in more nitpickey reviews.
Just got a T2 from Eurooptic and there's some fucking fleck making a second dot in the corner. Cleaning the lens does nothing. Is there some trivial fix I'm unaware or is this a "send it back and try again" issue?
Oh, and before any chinkshit apologists chime in my Holosun does the same thing but worse. I just had lower expectations of it.
Just got a T2 from Eurooptic and there's some fucking fleck making a second dot in the corner. Cleaning the lens does nothing. Is there some trivial fix I'm unaware or is this a "send it back and try again" issue?
Just realized my dumb ass has been looking at the reflection of the emitter thinking it's some kind of speck. Please forgive my retardation, I have new-thing overanalysis.
I own a 1x prism, it's on my VHS. A gun I intend to shoot from overwhelming one position: shouldered. The T2 is on a gun I intend to shoot shouldered, SAS sling style, and from the cheek (which yes is a meme but I enjoy doing it). Show me a prism that can effortlessly switch between those different firing positions with dramatically different eye relief and be perfectly usable from each.
>has optic on nuclear brightness
retard
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Morons like you deserve to own dogshit like 1x prisms.
Yeah... I thought it was a speck of dust in the optic which would be disappointing in something this nice even if it's only distracting on overly high brightness. My dumb ass only realized its the emitter itself when I noticed it was in the exact same place on multiple optics.
I have a Cyclops gen 2 on my VHS. I cannot have my face both approximately 2" from the optic and approximately 2' from the optic while keeping a clear sight picture both ways. And that's the difference between shooting as a cheek pistol to shooting with the SAS sling method. An actual reddot makes that transition effortlessly. I really like the Cyclops, and it has pretty good eye relief, but it's simply not eye relief agnostic like a reddot.
Eotechs are more durable than aimpoints. A holographic sight is superior to a dot, fool.
Why they don't "update" their models trying to address this, I just don't know. If they could get similar to performance to the SIG Romeo 8T, while not being as ugly for one, there would be almost no reason to get anything else other than being a poorfag.
They probably consider the 700 or so hour battery life to be sufficient. Eotech would benefit enormously from a more efficient laser, solar cell on top to confer no battery drain during the day, and shake awake to conserve the battery.
Eotechs are very durable and break less frequently than aimpoints. The eotech is heavier because it is more robust and has a larger viewport. The doughnut confers aiming benefits that don’t exist with a red dot. Holographic sights aren’t impacted by magnification while red dots are. Both are good. I own both. Holographic sights are superior. Except in weight and battery life. Both will get the job done.
>Eotechs are very durable and break less frequently than aimpoints.
Completely and utterly false. Eotechs break readily and without being abused, aimpoints you can try to break and fail. >The eotech is heavier because it is more robust
False, it is heavier because it uses a holographic reticle, which has no advantages whatsoever. It's a bunch of dead weight for mirrors and other bullshit. >The doughnut confers aiming benefits that don’t exist with a red dot
Loads of red dots have the donut option nowadays. Aimpoint doesn't make any with the reticle on purpose, as it is a gimmick for tards that just clutters up your view. >Holographic sights aren’t impacted by magnification while red dots are.
Yes they are. They affected the exact same way. > I own both.
That's cool, me too. I have on eotech, one UH1, and three aimpoints. Because the aimpoint is vastly superior.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The aimpoint is a lighter sight because it has no secondary housing, an inferior easy to damage mount, smaller viewport, and an inferior reticle. But hey, it’s lighter, more expensive, and the battery lasts longer.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>The aimpoint is a lighter sight because it has no secondary housing
When has an aimpoint ever failed because the housing wasn't strong enough? Oh right, never. >an inferior easy to damage mount
lmao see here's the difference, when I say you can throw an aimpoint from a helicopter, recover it, and it will still work, but an eokek will die just sitting there, it's true. When you say shit like this, you're entirely making it up. >smaller viewport
An advantage. "fov" on a 1x optic doesn't exist. You have two eyes, open the other one. >inferior reticle
I greatly prefer a single dot and am glad aimpoint hasn't given in to the meme. >But hey, it’s lighter, more expensive, and the battery lasts longer.
Don't forget it's more durable, reliable, and always on so you never have to worry about it.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Whoever told you aimpoints don’t ever break did you a disservice. Aimpoints break with greater frequency than eotechs because they don’t have a secondary housing. The aimpoint mount is shit and the mounting screws strip all of the time. Red dots are more simplistic and inferior to holographic sights. The viewpoint on an eotech is better than the tiny aimpoint tube. The doughnut of death is better than a plain dot.
In all use cases except weight and battery life the eotech is better.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Aimpoints break with greater frequency than eotechs
Wrong. >they don’t have a secondary housing
Nah, since they're not a hunk of trash they don't need to screw a piece of flimsy sheet metal over it to prevent it cracking before it leaves the box. >the mounting screws strip all of the time.
That's a "retards still don't know how to use the correct size tool" issue, not an aimpoint issue. >The viewpoint on an eotech is better
Since you're not using your other eye just gouge it out. >The doughnut of death is better than a plain dot.
Absolutely not, just adds clutter for no benefit. Dot goes on target, no need for other nonsense. >In all use cases except weight and battery life the eotech is better.
And durability, reliability, use in harsh environments, impact resistance, submersible depth, zero retention from temperature change, always on functionality, etc.
But the eotech looks cool at least.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Explain how an optic without a secondary housing is less prone to breaking.
1 month ago
Anonymous
very simple. The weak point of either optic isn't the housing. Never was. Never will be. It isn't on literally any optic I can think of. Reinforcing it doesn't add any benefit and is a red herring that apparently you really latched on to, rather than the eotech having half the submersion rating, a lower operating temperature, suffering problems from rapid thermal changes, no published impact resistance, glass de-lamination, and of course random electronics failures.
>brooo we fixed your car now it has a second solid steel bumper
but my transmission failed did you fix that >it's way more reliable now if anyone hits it, it won't even hurt the car
but that's literally not the problem at all >it doesn't matter if it doesn't even roll, if your car doesn't have an extra bumper bolted to its bumper it's less reliable!
>used optic with far inferior tech
vs >new optic with far superior tech
mmmm…. decisions, decisions.
>optic that just werks forever >vs optic that was so bad they got sued for lying to the US government about it
What's superior about it? it's less reliable, less durable, doesn't fuckin work right half the time, but it's more complex so you think it's better? Seems retarded.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The weak point of the aimpoint is the glass breaking and the shit mount.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>The weak point of the aimpoint is the glass breaking
correct, so unless you are taking fire directly to the optic, you're good. >shit mount
nope, wrong again. Flip your EXPS over some time, assuming you even have one, and notice it's just literally just held in place with some machine screws, same as an aimpoint mount.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Point is the tech used in red dots is very simple and even the chinkiest models are pretty much as good as aimpoint
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Point is the tech used in red dots is very simple
True and that's a major advantage. >even the chinkiest models are pretty much as good as aimpoint
I've had two holosuns die on me and zero aimpoints. The holosuns also have a noticeably darker tint, most models use shitty goofy batteries in those dinky trays, and they're pretty much unusable with nightvision. I'll personally never buy a chink red dot ever again, no matter how well they apparently work for other people. My time is simply too valuable to waste on dealing with warranties when my first aimpoint I ever used was older than I am and still functional.
Why they don't "update" their models trying to address this, I just don't know. If they could get similar to performance to the SIG Romeo 8T, while not being as ugly for one, there would be almost no reason to get anything else other than being a poorfag.
>Why they don't "update" their models trying to address this, I just don't know.
Because physics doesn't work like that. A laser hologram is always going to take more energy to produce than pointing a fucking LED at some glass.
Rude! I believe in EoTech. American Exceptionalism isn't dead and just out of spite I hope they bend physics to their will. AmeriCAN, not AmeriCAN'T and all that.
>no reason to get anything else other than being a poorfag.
or like, not wanting a 1lbs brick of a sight that does nothing better than a couple ounce aimpoint. 1x optics are solved. The T2 exists.
Also rude! I like the holds with a magnifier and ever-so-slightly better NV performance. (Even though I don't currently have NODS, kek) >Also also: MUH AESTHETICS
>no reason to get anything else other than being a poorfag.
or like, not wanting a 1lbs brick of a sight that does nothing better than a couple ounce aimpoint. 1x optics are solved. The T2 exists.
All the reviews I have seen say the eye relief sucks. Thing is, everyone says the eye relief sucks on an ACOG even though it's still more than serviceable in that department. I was issued an ACOG and had it mounted directly in front of my Matech BUIS and never had any issue shooting despite any weird positions. So I don't know if all the smooth brain reviewers are stating that eye relief sucks in general (so compared to red dots and/or LPVOs) or it sucks for a prism. If you get it, let us all know how it is.
I have both. It's not really slimmer in any way that matters.
UH1 is pretty much flat worse all around. >blue ass tint to save battery life >pretty sure UH1 advertised battery life being so much higher than eokek isn't even real world accurate at all, as it turns on to a default much lower setting than the eokek >reticle change doesn't matter either does the same thing >mount has some flex between it and the body on the UH1, hasn't been a problem but is weird >parasitic drain is present on the UH1 and not the eokek
back when the UH1 was a decent bit cheaper than an eotech I could see it being worthwhile but honestly I see zero reason at all to buy one now. Also just get a red dot.
Quick question:
I’m a third worlder so I’m not allowed to shoot on public land. The best range nearby offers shooting opportunities up to 300m. I own a 16“ ar15 - should I go for an lpvo for mostly static target shooting at said distances?
I really love the tacticool dot+magnifier combo though
Ironsights
Intuitive shooting
is this what Blacks do when they hop around and hold their pistol sideways above their head
people who have been in more fire fights then you? yeah
And shot more innocent bystanders in those firefights while also having the same amount of casualties against intended targets as I do? Yeah.
cringed
expertly crafted bait
t. darkie
Eyes closed embracing-the-force bullsyeyes
Can't believe nobody noticed that FPBP. Irons forever and always. Amen.
that’s like saying cars are garbage because they walking is superior
Walking is superior to driving
if you live in your moms basement, yes
Fpbp, optics are cope for not being able to shoot
Enlightened, only Iron Sights can see the demons
Best done with a good single action six shooter like pic related
It points like a dream and is made for intuitive one-handed shooting
>needing iron sights
>not hipshooting like Rambo in all circumstances
red dot on top of acog with offset irons
Whichever you prefer + co-witness irons.
The optics industry and their shills have convinced the entire gun community that you need fucking lights projected on glass to shoot. It’s seriously not that fucking deep. If you don’t got iron sights then you’re just a straight up dumbass. I don’t give a fuck what you put on top of your rifle.
Both. Aimpoint and Eokek are widely available and accessible.
Unless you’re a poor who only has one gun.
>poor
>poor shot
>poor
>saves disgustingly weird reaction gifs on his pc
Chud behavior.
Why the M4? It’s one of the largest, bulkiest, and all around worst offerings from aimpoint.
>WAAAAAAAAHHHHHH LET ME LARP IN PEACE
Eat shit pussy, you’re not a war fighter, you never will be. You got authority to be posting on the subject
Shut up and go be poor somewhere else u gay.
God u sound so poor
>Why the M4? It’s one of the largest, bulkiest, and all around worst offerings from aimpoint.
?
why is that? im thinking compM4s or eotech, i also like the sig romeo 8t or the micro t2
>poor this poor that
Just go ahead and put your phone down okay bubba?
Get a job fag.
>have job
>still poor
Any other suggestions?
learn to code lmao
Good idea I'll try that
literally no jobs available for coders. everything gets outsourced to India or the Philippines.
also: imagine being a codemonkey
Do Poos even have Fritos? Do they even have Tab and Moutain Dew?
optics vs irons isnt even a poor thing anymore. my optic is 150 dollars. its mostly just bait and people trying to be contrarian
Where they're the same.
>both cost roughly the same (well, depending on the eotech model in question)
>both weigh roughly the same (they're heavy)
>both come with quick detach (again, depending on eotech model)
>both are night vision compatible (yet again, depending on the eotech model)
Where the Eotech wins:
>bigger window
>the 1 MOA dot works better with magnifiers
Where aimpoint wins:
>quick detach is of higher quality and easier to operate
>comes with removeable spacer for your optic height choice
>Comes with protective flip up caps
>Front flipcap is blacked out for when you want to shoot/train with an occluded dot. No need for tape.
>battery life is really good
>dot brightness wheel is much easier and faster to adjust than push button
>much more durable optic
Don't let the window size of the Aimpoint Pro fool you. It's actually quite a bit bigger than it looks. Definitely bigger than most pistol optic sights. I bought the aimpoint pro for competition in USPSA PCC division. And I have never lost the dot even when shooting from weird positions. We're talking about a rifle here, not a pistol. You won't lose the dot trust me.
You're right. I don't disagree there. Especially with a handgun or for most people's shooting skills. But using dots is still fun.
Absolute fucking imbecile noguns underage vidyeah gay trash KYS
You shoot more at night than during the day?
>TA01NSN
Unfathomably based.
LOL, my pops has all his guns with cheap chink optics and scopes. And you know what? Despite the fact he takes them hunting, and to the range often. Those things have held zero and worked well. The truth is though, good luck convincing the average PrepHole poster that he won't get into a big firefight where his optic or rifle get bumped hard. But if you compete often or work a dangerous job. A quality dot is needed.
This shit makes me wanna just keep shooting with irons (and one cheapo scope) until I get 2k for a thermal.
jokes on you, prism gang
ok poor
>every military around the world adopts optics bc they objectively increase hit probability
okay retard
>something is objectively better
>its the shills
Tbqh they're both basically the same thing. Get whatever you like more. It seems like you want the EOtech more so just get that.
>if you have a very short mission window
>The low end of the battery life is 600 hours >which is 25 days if it's on for 24 hours a day consecutively.
Exactly what mission(s) do you think you'll be doing let alone ones where this time frame becomes a risk factor for battery life and also why can't you just bring spare batteries?
I swear you guys really love to major in the minors.
If you're out on a 'mission' that could last that long you will either die or kill someone and take their rifle before you run out of batteries.
In reality you're going to take your rifle to the range once a month or week at best, shut up.
It's not just about the battery life, but the high chance of random failure compared to Aimpoint or prism optic. Plus, SOCOM is known to put new batteries in Eotechs before every mission because they can afford it lol
I’m poor and don’t even agree with this. t. Romeo 5 enjoyer
All baiting and emotions aside I’ll try to explain to you why red dots are better than irons in a clear concise way.
I’m a competitive pistol target shooter but what I say apply to both pistols and rifles, just a bit more so for pistols.
When you’re shooting you have 2 major things to consider; sight alignment and sight picture.
Sight alignment is how the rear sight and front sight are positioned in relation to each other and sight picture is where on the target you are aiming.
One of the first things you learn when learning target shooting is sight alignment but many make the mistake of thinking that if they know how the sight alignment is SUPPOSED to be they can move on to learning other things. This is wrong.
The difference in point of impact from a slightly incorrect sight alignment, say from a shaky hand, is sometimes (especially with pistols) even bigger than the difference you’d get from a slightly incorrect sight picture.
When using a red dot you effectively eliminate the issue of sight alignment, allowing you to focus completely on the sight picture. Theoretically there is parallax but it’s nowhere near enough to make a difference depending on how you look through the red dot assuming your red dot isn’t trash.
When you’re laying down and are able to hold the rifle completely still and have perfect sight alignment there is no major advantage to red dots over iron sights though
Well stated.
Irons are inferior to optics
t. someone who shoots with irons like 90% of the time because I shoot that raceA2 and the .22 with the red dot off more often than the carbine
Premium bait post. Irons are inferior to both holographic sights and dots to the extent that irons are going to go away.
There’s legitimate criticism, then there’s poorfag cope.
ACOG. Alternatively, Aimpoint mounted to a fixed A2 carry handle upper.
Anything else is cope.
I am literally in the middle of trying to figure out whether I should buy an Aimpoint Comp M4 or an Eotech. I'm leaning towards the Eotech largely because the FOV is better (square over circle) and the reticle is so much better. Plus zero parallax and it's better with NODs that I'll get some day.
ACOG is not a comparative you crapcunt, it's a magnified optic and these are 1x.
>Alternatively, Aimpoint mounted to a fixed A2 carry handle upper.
Learn to read.
I can't put an A2 carry handle on my Tavor it'll look FOOLISH.
>Tavor
ITL MARS sight. Chase the call of dooty aesthetic anon.
lol I appreciate the aesthetic but that sight is actually very poor.
if I'm gonna put a shit sight on it just for the aesthetics, I'll mount a terrible G36 sight for that awesome long rail.
Can confirm MARs is peak PrepHoleino which permits gnomish Ascension. It's not too late goyims, wield the sling of David.
Fov is a meme, but I still prefer eotech
IMO the only thing other optics have on eotechs is battery life, and even then they have gotten a bit better with recent production ones, although I have never had issues with battery life, I just change it at regular intervals like any other battery
That's a pretty terrible option, honestly. Get an Aimpoint Duty RDS if you're choosing between an Aimpoint and an EOTech and can't afford a T2. If you can, get the T2. Also, worrying about FOV on unmagnified optics let's me know you're a fucking idiot. Shoot with both eyes open and any advantage the EOTech has is null and void.
It WILL still be better under night vision, but I know for a fact you're too poor to afford that, so don't even worry about it.
The Aimpoint Duty is unironically worse than a Holosun, the tint it has is obscene.
>because the FOV is better
Just shoot with both eyes open like you're supposed to and the size of the "optic window" is utterly irrelevant. Unless you're seriously considering throwing a magnifier behind the optic get the Aimpoint for the battery life.
I still like the reticle better though, I have a SigRomeo5 and it's fine for a 9mm PCC but for a 5.56 rifle the Eotech's reticle is just better. Surprisingly Eotechs are like $100-200 cheaper than an Aimpoint too. $1200 just seems like too much for a red dot.
>$1200 just seems like too much for a red dot
In that case get the Eotech and as long as it was made in the last couple of years you should be very happy, crappy battery life notwithstanding. However if you don't care about night vision then the Aimpoint H2 might be an option. Aimpoint markets it to hunters primarily but it's literally a Micro H1/2 without the night vision settings and a slightly worse warranty for less money.
>H1/2
*T1/2
aimpoint is way stronger, battery lasts forever, and it has 99% of the NV performance.
fov doesn't matter with 1x optics
Of course it does. The bigger the window, the more off the stock your face can be and still see the reticle, parallax issues notwithstanding
Sounds like a skill issue
>Of course it does.
No it doesn't. Open your other eye.
>the more off the stock your face can be and still see the reticle
The mm of difference will never matter.
>parallax
won't even begin to be a problem with either of these optics.
Saving up for my memepoint.
>Imagine not having a carry handle
>detachable carry handle
Those in glass houses should not be throwing pieces from broken spark plugs.
>Those in glass houses should not be throwing pieces from broken spark plugs.
>carrying by the 'carry handle'
Based acog enjoyer.
I’m beginning to think the lowest priced ACOG is best ACOG
> no blooming in bright sun, built in back up irons
I also think the built in backup irons are a perk.
Of the acogs I tried it was my favorite, though I do plan on throwing an RMR on there at some point even though it'll ruin the aesthetics. It seems to work well in most lighting conditions, no bloom as you mentioned, no fiber to worry about breaking.
I do understand the appeal of the fiber models in the days before compact red dots since it was likely it would have to perform double duty as a close in optic as well. But for the mid-range work that I exclusively wanted it for I love it.
Also that rifle was my original poorfag budget build. Started out as a worn-out training rifle I bought from a guy who had shut down his small PMC after everything wound down in Iraq. Replaced the original DPMS HBAR upper with a BCM, bought the RAS from a guy for like $35 because they weren't retro cool at the time, found a broken detachable carry handle and cut it down with a hacksaw and some files to use as a backup. Originally it had a CompM3 in a LaRue mount, I do wish I hadn't sold that.
BasedCOG
I always figured that paying several hundred dollars for an optic with no magnification was silly on a rifle
I have an ACOG too, but if you've never owned a quality red dot, then you just don't know.
Redpilled af
Acog is a good optic, but the carry handle went away for a reason. There's no advantage over a flat top upper. People who enjoy the carry handle enjoy it for the Retro aesthetic/feel, or trying to be contrarian.
I use an lpbo because it simplifies things and I'm not out here trying to be John Wick or Jerry Miculek. If I had night vision I might make the switch to an EOTech with a magnifier.
>lpbo
Low power bariable optic?
I'm torn between an lpvo and adding a magnifier to my red dot. I don't have any delusions about SHTF but between the two, but I realistically won't be shooting beyond 300yd so true 1x with optional 3 or 5x seems more applicable than 6x with a pseudo 1x.
I had a G33 liked it; and the more I thought about an LPVO I realized 3x with the benefit of taking it off when I want is a good fit for me and my distances. I did get a 5x for my Beowulf which has been a good way to get some more distance. I have two Falke magnifiers from DVOR, absolutely on par with the G33.
Your rifle is..... wow
you realize Falke is literally just rebranded holosun, right?
Made in Germany
Give it to me straight, wow like cool or wow like nice try for a retard. It’s my chonky .50.
fuck off it’s not made in Germany. it’s „designed“ in Germany
Well I have fact checked your claim as “mostly true” since they are a German company and not part of the PLA.
Sounds kind of gay.
When I worked for the Gov we had to qualify at 400M with irons only with our Commandos and I think it’s like any activity where tech won’t make you awesome without fundamentals.
Not him, but I KINDA like it!
>UBR Chad
>LaRue rail meh
>Exposed gas block MEH, BUT:
>Is that a collar for a reflex/AEM-type can? If so, mega based.
>Fuckin' radial brakes, how do they work?
>RDS+Mag also based
>MOE grip meh
>Hexmag ghey
>Ladder covers instead of rail covers meh
>Don't particularly care for the light setup myself tbh fampai, but you do you.
>I'm withholding judgement on the anti-walk pins & extended mag release for now, don't know much about the internals, obviously.
>Are you a lefty? If not, ambi safety BIG ghey.
I think that's about it.
Go with your gut. LPVOs are next but there are too many downsides. I'll still shill for a used ACOG with a dot though.
U don't know about the Amazon trick? You can get one new for cheap with some work
In my retarded opinion, if you rarely have area that you can even see past 300 yards/memers, there's no reason to get an LPVO when modern red dots have battery lives measured in years and the batteries are cheap and plentiful enough to stack deep. They don't provide any additional capability in that case and only add weight and fragility.
Another plus if you're poor like me is that you can buy the red dot and save up for the magnifier separately.
Another option is the TA01NSN with RMR/P2 but you basically have a chin-weld when using the dot with that setup unless you have a really long face
On the flip side, if you're in the desert or somewhere else with really long sight-lines, that extra magnification might worth the trade-off. Again the ACOG/RMR combo is still viable here and more durable
Eotech
It’s preferred by all American special operations forces with actual experience because of its larger window
At the distance you’d need an aim point an LPVO would suit your purposes much better
I thought they liked it more because it's the night vision king?
It definitely is the NV king, but tbh they have pretty much been actively aiming for the last several decades since zero percent of the people that SOCOM/JSOC are shooting at have NVGs.
I personally use the EOkek EXPS3 and I love it, but the Aimpoint really is a more sensible choice. The EOTech is the mentally unbalanced cheerleader with fake knockers, whereas the Aimpoint is the 7/10 farm girl that will bear you many strong children.
Eotech is fine if you have unlimited free backups made possible by Uncle Sam's logistic system. AND if you have a very short mission window like spec ops often do.
They are better for NV use because of the big window.
IMHO, AP is a better sight overall because I hate how busy the Eotech reticle is. It's great for speed, bad for precision.
ACOG + RMR = king.
>ACOG + RMR = king
I used to have this setup, but upon buying night vision I realized that the battery powered ACOG is the better choice because of where the RMR sits on it compared to the tritium version. I really liked it though, might get another one some day.
Just extend the stock a little lol.
Battery cog is fine, except you give up some durability with the fragile adjustment knob, and the classic looks of the TA31.
Nah, even all the way out the RMR directly above the rear of the receiver isn't great with NVGs. This is in addition to the fact that I personally think that the dual illuminated ACOG is neat but it doesn't have a practical advantage over the battery powered version for me.
I will never understand you stupid fags who have a hard time with a piggyback dot on a non-battery acog, I do it with a pvs-7 just fine.
No need to get emotional, sport. I used it well enough during NV shoots but I'd prefer the battery powered ACOG with manual control, single illustration 1 MOA RMR if I ever reroll on trijicon.
Wong, this is
>instead of HOB
>you have to deal with off axis zeroes
No thanks.
TBQH Senpai. This dude is right. I own both. The years long battery life on Aimpoint and what to me feels like more of a precision shooter. EoKek feels like I am ok with close enough. Guess that’s why I have EO on AK
>more of a precision shooter
Dot on eotech is way more precise than a red dot
>At the distance you’d need an aim point an LPVO would suit your purposes much better
You're a stupid fucking noguns moron monkey, aren't you?
retard. It has a good low light setting for nods. LPVOs are supreme anywhere it's cold.
Lost of guys run aimpoints because of the battery life but eotech is superior.
Assuming you can afford either and still make rent, and assuming you know how to change a battery and can competently complete that task every 3-4 months, whichever one you shoot better with.
Eotech's are a nightmare blurr to me because astigmatism so I use an ACOG+RMR on my AR and a Comp M3 on my MP5 clone
Hear me out astigmabros
Try and find a g33 magnifier plus eotech and look through it
For whatever reason, the eotech alone was blurry to me, like all other dots
But swing the g33 in front, it cleared up completely. Unbelievable to me eyes. It's my favorite optic now, like a two piece acog kind of, but I love it
Interestingly acogs are still blurry
>acogs are blurry
lol dude sounds like you have some eye problems. But the holographic technology of the eotech does work better with magnifiers in comparison to the simpler dot technology.
Yes it's called astigmatism dumb ass. I'm just noting
Eotech alone - blur
Acog - blur
Eotech plus g33 - crystal clear
It's worth a look to those who have problems
Neither. I have wicked astigmatism that makes red dots look like either a starburst or a bunch of grapes, depending on the lighting situation and the brightness of the red dot. Low powered or 1x prisms for me.
I like my eokek but I can understand why someone would prefer an aimpoint, especially with their longer lasting batteries. However the EXPS3 is the GOAT for passive NV and that matters more to me. Both are thoroughly combat proven so you're not going to be let down by either product, though I hear Eotech has had some lemons as of late so that's worth considering
I prefer the eotech if a constant on feature isn't required.
I’ve never owned a tube red dot. Just Holosuns and eotechs. Is the tiny window on tube-style dots as much of a pain in the ass to work with as it seems? I’m inclined to think yeah, but then everyone has tube red dots even when box-type ones with massive windows exist, so I’m missing something.
Just keep both eyes open and look through the optic and it's no problem at all.
Even with the window that small, you don’t lose the dot with the normal amount of head movement/imperfect cheekweld?
The entire idea is that you just get the dot superimposed on the target even when looking through it from an awkward angle.
Larger windows really aren't of much benefit unless you're passive aiming. Holosun kinda has a middle ground between the two with the AEMS with good passive performance to boot.
Aimpoint for me because I have severe astigmatism and Eokeks are basically unusable. If you don’t have fucked up eyes, eotech is supposedly better for NV
Eokek seems to be pretty divisive amongst those of us with astigmatism. Half of us say eokeks work well, the other half say they're unusable. Personally mine isn't so bad that I can't use an aimpoint, it just smears the dot into a comma. Though I bought a budget holosun last year for shits and giggles and it on the other hand is essentially unusable for me on daylight brightness settings.
With the magnifier it’s a non issue. Also now that I have glasses it’s not as noticeable.
Based rifle
>slaps rail, you got so much overhang with this fatty.>
Oof forgot pic
Unless you are in a real war scenario, all you need is a $35 Chinese knockoff.
This is not up for debate, I am correct.
What's the difference between a $35 sight and a $730 sight?
The real one doesn't reflect light so much, the fake one reflects light almost like a mirror.
The real one feels higher quality, would likely last more impacts/drops.
I have personally used a Chinese knockoff for several years now, you should too.
strongest argument against the eokek:
that massive overhang.
absolutely disgusting
Quick question:
how does the trijicon MRO stack up against the aimpoint? It offers a really nice field of view
That is the only pro of the MRO. However, that's a pro that doesn't really matter when looking at the big picture (no pun intended). You're supposed to shoot with both eyes open either way. So the field of view doesn't come into play when you're shooting close ranges like for CQB shit, you're super imposing the red dot on what both of your eyes are seeing. And when you're shooting further away, everything will EASILY be inside of a small optic window as well. Really the big field of view might help absolute beginners to find the dot or something. But even someone with even the smallest amount of competency and training will be able to find the dot on something like the Aimpoint Pro.
Not to mention it's a rifle. Meaning the dot will sit closer to your eye than with a handgun mounted dot where you extend your arms forward. There's also zero reciprocation of the dot. And less felt recoil/dot jump.
what about the aimpoint duty rds?
Honestly I can't speak for it past what I know other people say about it and it's features (or lackthereof). It's rather new and unproven compared to the pro. While the pro has been used extensively and has gotten quite the reputation for durability.
From what I can tell about the Duty:
>smaller window (no biggie to me but I doubt you want an even smaller window than the pro if you're interested in window size)
>lighter weight
>uses 2030 batteries which are more common so that's good
>does not come with a heavy duty quick detach mount
>the digital brightness button sucks balls for quickly changing settings
Probably gonna be very durable since it's an aimpoint after all. If you're trying to choose between the Pro and Duty, it basically comes down to the awesome quick detach and removeable spacer mount that comes with the pro and the nicer brightness settings knob. Or the lighter weight and more compact form factor of the Duty.
>aimpoint price
>no advatages of the T2
>rugger i guess
Just get the aems
Rugged is perhaps the most important feature on a red dot that is basically supposed to serve the function of an improved iron sight.
>aems
that blocky thing from holosun? hell no.
but check out this 503 from holosun, it’s based
The AEMS has passive aiming performance on par with the best options on the market. It's kinda ugly but that's the only downside.
form > function
every larper knows this
>shopping for optic risers
>black unity mount not on sale
>tan unity mount is on sale
>conclude that tan will not match anything on rifle and will look ugly
>buy black one at full price
such is the life of a gun owner
>shopping for optic risers
>black unity mount not on sale
>tan unity mount is on sale
>conclude that tan will not match anything on rifle and will look ugly
>buy tan mount
>buy tan rifle
Can an eotech do this tho?
>The eternal debate
>Well PrepHole?
Meanwhile... in the real world, your debate is moot.
Luckily, I have a counter
I feel like the right one fucks with my field of view.
BOTH
I have an Eotech g33 mounted behind an Aimpoint pro on my AR, do I get a participation trophy?
Eotech
>based holographic technology that no one makes a better one
Aimpoint
>overpriced LED oldshit that chink airshit clones for 50 bucks are 70% as good as the original
I'm in favor of the eotech, but I'll give credit to aimpoints, their whole spiel is red dots that will outlast the batteries that can withstand a fucking grenade.
How are Aimpoints any more rugged than Eotechs? Battery life is irrelevant.
>How are Aimpoints any more rugged than Eotechs
How new are you?
Please be patient I have astigmatism
Please make this a patch
>astigmatism
No time to be patient
Go get a shot of Penicillin,
cauz you don't want that in your barrel.
Do you not wear glasses?
I have an astigmatism too, but wearing glasses it goes away and I can see the aimpoint dot fine.
Why would you wear glasses for an issue that's only apparent while using red dots?
>not wearing 24/7 eyepro
ngmi
I've been looking for stylish 24/7 eyepro like that
protip: It's not eyepro, just regular fancy glasses.
Did you not see:
That is how you always see lights, glasses will correct the issue.
Why post if you aren’t the person being asked, have no context or clue what you’re talking about, and don’t have anything to contribute?
I'm the guy. Don't have issues driving at night. Only red dots have starbursts and smearing.
If you obky see it while looking down your site then you do not have astigmatism my dude
Then what is it? Eotechs work a lot better than red dots for me
>not choosing the best sight
cmore on a carry handle upper
pure sex
Tripple x gun porn.
nise
I know this is a meme, but I got one cheap from a guy who used his for pistol bullseye. I put one of the 16 MOA diodes in and it's unironically fantastic. You just walk around with this glowing basketball of death floating in front of you and just blast things.
>muzzy dot for general stuff
>EOTech for CQB stuff
>ACOG for anything needing distance
point shooting out to 30yds is all a bro needs to know
real and true
>larue
gross
>hey man, you know how peep sights are super good at aligning themselves automatically?
>You know how a rifle lets you have a long sight radius too?
>Yeah bro, we made a sight that undoes all of that so your rifle is as usable as your piece of shit pistol irons.
that's why it has a QD mount so you can quickly throw it in the garbage
I like the square hole
Eotech on AKs
Red dot on everything else
why?
Because that's what looks the best
Neither of these are a proper scope. The best I can do is ACOG.
My bullets are guided by God and shall land wheresoever He deigns.
Eurogunz here.
I've been successfuly running this setup (11.5" .223 AR with holochink RDS and holoching 3x magnifier)
I've been wondering if I should switch to an LPVO instead, any recommendations ?
I have that same magnifier for a compm4. I want to get the new PA compact 3x mag so I can free up rail space.
Honestly I dislike the fact that I can't keep my flip-up rear sight because there's no space left on the upper.
I'm thinking about getting a canted mount for it, but then again I'm also wondering about just replacing my optics with an LPVO.
>11.5"
>LPVO
Care to elaborate instead of being a gay ?
the 1x of an LPVO is garbage. you literally just use it on max magnification. Meaning you will have to use an offset dot and since you’re running an SBR, you will be using that offset dot most of the time.
tl;dr waste of money. stick to dot+magnifier. It’s cooler anyway
Thank you both for your insight.
Keeping RDS+magnifier seemed right to me, I just wanted another opinion.
I too feel like an LPVO at 1x would be fucking awkward and cumbersome at close range.
My holochink RDS is very good, very clear and has a satisfying FOV, I can quickly switch between reticles (3 MOA dot and 65 MOA eotech-type circle).
It's a lot of weight though, but nothing as bothering as the suppressor.
Thanks, PrepHoleommandos.
Too much extra weight for capability that is lost on a short 5.56.
You're correct about mag+dot being better for a sbr, but saying the 1x sucks on all LPVOs is fucking retarded.
it’s not retarded. it’s not unusable but you will be slower and it’s not as comfy as a dot
This ACOG reticle is nearly perfect BDC for a 11.5" shooting 55gr at 2,650-2,700fps.
You're welcome ; )
>55gr at 2,650-2,700fps
TF is even the point? There's ammo that's either heavier or loaded hotter, sometimes both, than that for SBR's, not usually much more expensive than the typical stuff (minus Wolf/Tula retarded poors), yet people continue to buy underloaded """M193""", and I don't understand.
>why yes i use a sig romeo and juilet micro, how can you tell?
enjoy your chineseum
>Be eotech enthusiast
>Turn it on at 7pm in case of home invasion
>Home invaders break in at 3:01am
>Your optic is off, but luckily they leave after you turn on a flashlight and yell
>It's ok, you have a 2008 model eotech, surely they allow disabling auto shutoff on the 2023 models
>Uh oh, 15 years later and u still don't get this incredibly simple option that every other red dot on the market has had forever
Government bulk orders made them lazy
I understand why they have the auto-shutoff, but really, EOTechs have some of the easiest buttons to press to turn them on. If it's a problem for you, put a red dot on your home defense rifle.
redpill me on the aimpoint PRO
why is it so big?
why is it so cheap? (for an aimpoint)
It's heavy, it's old, it's just a red dot. I have one and like it just fine though.
who is ready for the upcoming new holokino dot?
I will never willingly give communists money.
just look at how cute it is
I want it in my mouth.
thoughts on the romeo 5 xdr?
I have a regular Romeo 5 and like it. I'd like to get the XDR with its cool reticle but can't pull the trigger when I realize I got mine on sale for $100 plus shipping.
I have a 5 and I would enjoy the donut reticle. What height is it with the battery base?
if you're not in the army and you're buying the expensive stuff, you're just a cringe larper
what a retarded opinion
You're right anon. Everyone should trust their lives to Hi Points and Bear Creek Arsenal ARs. Feyachi red dots are just as good as Aimpoints.
I was going to just ignore your post but I'm going to call you a retarded gay instead.
>poorfag PrepHoleope and sneed
eotechs are neat
Aimpoint, easily.
Using philips screws and not hex heads or star bits should tell you everything you need to know about the eotech
You are like a little baby
I don’t care what Hop says I want it.
>leupold
damn I even forgot Leupold existed
I saw a review on their Mark 6HD Patrol 1-6 FFP FireDot and thought I should maybe try one even though I've really never been super keen on 1-6 LPVO's, the Leupold seems pretty decent with apparently the only real "gripe" I heard was the illumination really only shows up apparently if you're perfectly in line with the scope. Other than that, decent price, lightweight, not Chinkshit, etc. Sounds good!
>And THEN
Turns out Leupold, in their infinite wisdom, discontinued the FFP option and only has the SFP for sale now. I fucking *HATE* SFP, so I'm not buying that shit.
Classic Leupold, sometimes I wonder if I should "forget" they exist too.
Maybe some day I'll be happy though. Perhaps tomorrow March will release a new-gen shorty 1-10 that kicks the shit out of every other LPVO and I'll buy once, cum once. Until that day though, EoKek + G45 is the sauce.
Man if they weren't retardedly expensive I'd get one just to try such a weird and cool scope arrangement
Oh I miss HAMR. These were nice.
Is the Romeo 5 still the entry level meta? For a 10/22, I don't need a $500 optic.
Romeo 5 will be more than enough for a .22, go for it I have one on mine and it’s great.
Of course. Everyone should have one as a spare optic tbqh. Great for throwing onto .22s or meme rifles/shotguns
I used a Romeo 5 on my AR before getting an Eotech, its perfectly fine for sub .308 usage.
Which 10/22 did ya get anon?
Holosun 403r, but then again I hate ~~*sig*~~
Yes. Just wish they came with a QD mount.
I find the Eotech reticle way too obstructive and distracting so I prefer traditional red dots, but admittedly I've only ever used them for static target shooting and that's not really the point of the Eotech, maybe I'd like it if I were shooting man-sized targets quickly at short range.
I just strap binoculars on mine
you know holosun is the true mvp when most manufacturers rebrand their shit.
sig, falke, pa, vortex and god know who else
quick question:
can you put a magnifier in front of a 1x prism optic?
or do(should) I go lpvo right away?
t. astigmatism
Just go LPVO.
I had one eotech. I have three aimpoints. Aimpoint all the way.
i got an eotech for free so i use that
Just go with whatever you like. I would go aimpoint only because i have used it before.
>red dots
enjoy your glowing glass
>early gwot
>switch from carry handles to acog, big upgrade
>mid/late ‘00s
>everyone realizes ACOGs are just meh
>poor eye relief, useless reticle
>literally everyone switches to superior red dot/magnifier, specter, or short dot/lpvo that are much more versatile and useful
>acogs practically extinct the remainder of gwot
>decade+ later
>retarded zoomie ar hipsters unironically start buying acogs again because their favorite youtube/ig twink uses one
acogs are totally mediocre outside of target shooting at fixed ranges.
absolutely insane and retarded how much you gays shill these and ignore 20 years of optic development just to go against the grain.
but hey, enjoy your sub par, outdated optic, as long as it looks cool for your “build.”
Good enough for operation phantom fury.
>ACOGs extinct
It's still THE service optic for the US military, retard
Is not. gay.
What do grunts carry on their M4s, retard?
>retarded zoomie ar hipsters unironically start buying acogs again because their favorite youtube/ig twink uses one
I was personally thinking it was GWOT-era nostalgia, that, as a 90's kid, I'm all for, but here you are, ruining shit for me.
Thanks anon.
Could've just said you were poor. Post your elcan.
noCOGs poorfag detected
I have an astigmatism and can’t use either. Reeee
Just got a T2 from Eurooptic and there's some fucking fleck making a second dot in the corner. Cleaning the lens does nothing. Is there some trivial fix I'm unaware or is this a "send it back and try again" issue?
turn the brightness down
The second dot is still visible on any brightness bright enough to see the main dot, I just cranked it up to better illustrate it. The ring is a nonissue as it goes away completely on sane brightness, but the second dot is always visible and kind of annoying. If that's just normal then it is what it is, it's still beautifully clear. I just expected it to not do that since it wasn't a gripe I've previously read even in more nitpickey reviews.
Oh, and before any chinkshit apologists chime in my Holosun does the same thing but worse. I just had lower expectations of it.
Just realized my dumb ass has been looking at the reflection of the emitter thinking it's some kind of speck. Please forgive my retardation, I have new-thing overanalysis.
see
red dots are retarded. even the most expensive ones. get a 1x prism optic like the cyclops gen 2 instead
the chevron was a poor choice for a 1x, wish they would offer a dot or dot/circle
im fine with the chevron but I hate that massive turret on its left side
I own a 1x prism, it's on my VHS. A gun I intend to shoot from overwhelming one position: shouldered. The T2 is on a gun I intend to shoot shouldered, SAS sling style, and from the cheek (which yes is a meme but I enjoy doing it). Show me a prism that can effortlessly switch between those different firing positions with dramatically different eye relief and be perfectly usable from each.
Yeah... I thought it was a speck of dust in the optic which would be disappointing in something this nice even if it's only distracting on overly high brightness. My dumb ass only realized its the emitter itself when I noticed it was in the exact same place on multiple optics.
cyclops gen 2
I have a Cyclops gen 2 on my VHS. I cannot have my face both approximately 2" from the optic and approximately 2' from the optic while keeping a clear sight picture both ways. And that's the difference between shooting as a cheek pistol to shooting with the SAS sling method. An actual reddot makes that transition effortlessly. I really like the Cyclops, and it has pretty good eye relief, but it's simply not eye relief agnostic like a reddot.
cyclops gen 3
>has optic on nuclear brightness
retard
Morons like you deserve to own dogshit like 1x prisms.
Eotech is superior in every way except battery life.
>Eotech is superior in every way
Besides durability, longevity, weight, reliability, sure.
Uh, but the eotech looks cool in videogames at least. So you got that going for you.
Eotechs are more durable than aimpoints. A holographic sight is superior to a dot, fool.
They probably consider the 700 or so hour battery life to be sufficient. Eotech would benefit enormously from a more efficient laser, solar cell on top to confer no battery drain during the day, and shake awake to conserve the battery.
>Eotechs are more durable than aimpoints
lmao no
>less durable
>delaminates all the time
>weighs more
>less battery life
Uh, how is it superior exactly? You like the way it looks?
Meanwhile eokek glass de-laminates while just sitting there
Eotechs are very durable and break less frequently than aimpoints. The eotech is heavier because it is more robust and has a larger viewport. The doughnut confers aiming benefits that don’t exist with a red dot. Holographic sights aren’t impacted by magnification while red dots are. Both are good. I own both. Holographic sights are superior. Except in weight and battery life. Both will get the job done.
>Eotechs are very durable and break less frequently than aimpoints.
Completely and utterly false. Eotechs break readily and without being abused, aimpoints you can try to break and fail.
>The eotech is heavier because it is more robust
False, it is heavier because it uses a holographic reticle, which has no advantages whatsoever. It's a bunch of dead weight for mirrors and other bullshit.
>The doughnut confers aiming benefits that don’t exist with a red dot
Loads of red dots have the donut option nowadays. Aimpoint doesn't make any with the reticle on purpose, as it is a gimmick for tards that just clutters up your view.
>Holographic sights aren’t impacted by magnification while red dots are.
Yes they are. They affected the exact same way.
> I own both.
That's cool, me too. I have on eotech, one UH1, and three aimpoints. Because the aimpoint is vastly superior.
The aimpoint is a lighter sight because it has no secondary housing, an inferior easy to damage mount, smaller viewport, and an inferior reticle. But hey, it’s lighter, more expensive, and the battery lasts longer.
>The aimpoint is a lighter sight because it has no secondary housing
When has an aimpoint ever failed because the housing wasn't strong enough? Oh right, never.
>an inferior easy to damage mount
lmao see here's the difference, when I say you can throw an aimpoint from a helicopter, recover it, and it will still work, but an eokek will die just sitting there, it's true. When you say shit like this, you're entirely making it up.
>smaller viewport
An advantage. "fov" on a 1x optic doesn't exist. You have two eyes, open the other one.
>inferior reticle
I greatly prefer a single dot and am glad aimpoint hasn't given in to the meme.
>But hey, it’s lighter, more expensive, and the battery lasts longer.
Don't forget it's more durable, reliable, and always on so you never have to worry about it.
Whoever told you aimpoints don’t ever break did you a disservice. Aimpoints break with greater frequency than eotechs because they don’t have a secondary housing. The aimpoint mount is shit and the mounting screws strip all of the time. Red dots are more simplistic and inferior to holographic sights. The viewpoint on an eotech is better than the tiny aimpoint tube. The doughnut of death is better than a plain dot.
In all use cases except weight and battery life the eotech is better.
>Aimpoints break with greater frequency than eotechs
Wrong.
>they don’t have a secondary housing
Nah, since they're not a hunk of trash they don't need to screw a piece of flimsy sheet metal over it to prevent it cracking before it leaves the box.
>the mounting screws strip all of the time.
That's a "retards still don't know how to use the correct size tool" issue, not an aimpoint issue.
>The viewpoint on an eotech is better
Since you're not using your other eye just gouge it out.
>The doughnut of death is better than a plain dot.
Absolutely not, just adds clutter for no benefit. Dot goes on target, no need for other nonsense.
>In all use cases except weight and battery life the eotech is better.
And durability, reliability, use in harsh environments, impact resistance, submersible depth, zero retention from temperature change, always on functionality, etc.
But the eotech looks cool at least.
Explain how an optic without a secondary housing is less prone to breaking.
very simple. The weak point of either optic isn't the housing. Never was. Never will be. It isn't on literally any optic I can think of. Reinforcing it doesn't add any benefit and is a red herring that apparently you really latched on to, rather than the eotech having half the submersion rating, a lower operating temperature, suffering problems from rapid thermal changes, no published impact resistance, glass de-lamination, and of course random electronics failures.
>brooo we fixed your car now it has a second solid steel bumper
but my transmission failed did you fix that
>it's way more reliable now if anyone hits it, it won't even hurt the car
but that's literally not the problem at all
>it doesn't matter if it doesn't even roll, if your car doesn't have an extra bumper bolted to its bumper it's less reliable!
>optic that just werks forever
>vs optic that was so bad they got sued for lying to the US government about it
What's superior about it? it's less reliable, less durable, doesn't fuckin work right half the time, but it's more complex so you think it's better? Seems retarded.
The weak point of the aimpoint is the glass breaking and the shit mount.
>The weak point of the aimpoint is the glass breaking
correct, so unless you are taking fire directly to the optic, you're good.
>shit mount
nope, wrong again. Flip your EXPS over some time, assuming you even have one, and notice it's just literally just held in place with some machine screws, same as an aimpoint mount.
Point is the tech used in red dots is very simple and even the chinkiest models are pretty much as good as aimpoint
>Point is the tech used in red dots is very simple
True and that's a major advantage.
>even the chinkiest models are pretty much as good as aimpoint
I've had two holosuns die on me and zero aimpoints. The holosuns also have a noticeably darker tint, most models use shitty goofy batteries in those dinky trays, and they're pretty much unusable with nightvision. I'll personally never buy a chink red dot ever again, no matter how well they apparently work for other people. My time is simply too valuable to waste on dealing with warranties when my first aimpoint I ever used was older than I am and still functional.
Wrong.
Why they don't "update" their models trying to address this, I just don't know. If they could get similar to performance to the SIG Romeo 8T, while not being as ugly for one, there would be almost no reason to get anything else other than being a poorfag.
>Why they don't "update" their models trying to address this, I just don't know.
Because physics doesn't work like that. A laser hologram is always going to take more energy to produce than pointing a fucking LED at some glass.
Holographic sights are a dead end.
Rude! I believe in EoTech. American Exceptionalism isn't dead and just out of spite I hope they bend physics to their will. AmeriCAN, not AmeriCAN'T and all that.
Also rude! I like the holds with a magnifier and ever-so-slightly better NV performance. (Even though I don't currently have NODS, kek)
>Also also: MUH AESTHETICS
Holographic sights are superior to dots, retard.
>no reason to get anything else other than being a poorfag.
or like, not wanting a 1lbs brick of a sight that does nothing better than a couple ounce aimpoint. 1x optics are solved. The T2 exists.
acog+piggyback is *chefskiss*
Thinking of buying one of these to mount on top of my carry handle:
https://www.opticsplanet.com/v/300210-burris-ar-536-prism-sight-5x-tactical.html
Good idea or stupid?
good
All the reviews I have seen say the eye relief sucks. Thing is, everyone says the eye relief sucks on an ACOG even though it's still more than serviceable in that department. I was issued an ACOG and had it mounted directly in front of my Matech BUIS and never had any issue shooting despite any weird positions. So I don't know if all the smooth brain reviewers are stating that eye relief sucks in general (so compared to red dots and/or LPVOs) or it sucks for a prism. If you get it, let us all know how it is.
depends on the ACOG model. TA31 eye relief is kinda tight, but the TA11 feels perfect when i'm slinging 308
uh-1 vs eokek? I like the slimmer housing on the vortex
I have both. It's not really slimmer in any way that matters.
UH1 is pretty much flat worse all around.
>blue ass tint to save battery life
>pretty sure UH1 advertised battery life being so much higher than eokek isn't even real world accurate at all, as it turns on to a default much lower setting than the eokek
>reticle change doesn't matter either does the same thing
>mount has some flex between it and the body on the UH1, hasn't been a problem but is weird
>parasitic drain is present on the UH1 and not the eokek
back when the UH1 was a decent bit cheaper than an eotech I could see it being worthwhile but honestly I see zero reason at all to buy one now. Also just get a red dot.
>just get a red dot
name one that’s not chinkshit and doesn’t cost as much as an eokek
>name one that’s not chinkshit and doesn’t cost as much as an eokek
used aimpoint pro.
>used optic with far inferior tech
vs
>new optic with far superior tech
mmmm…. decisions, decisions.
An eotech with aimpoint battery life.
Quick question:
I’m a third worlder so I’m not allowed to shoot on public land. The best range nearby offers shooting opportunities up to 300m. I own a 16“ ar15 - should I go for an lpvo for mostly static target shooting at said distances?
I really love the tacticool dot+magnifier combo though
dot and mag is fine for 300m unless you are looking to chase groups or something
>no you don't understand, lining up two things then holding them over a third thing is superior to just holding a red dot over your target!
is there no green reticle eotech model anymore? green is much better for my astigmatism
https://www.eotechinc.com/eotech-hws-exps2-green
>eote-chink
>no NV model
dropped. how am I supposed to larp without NV?
What's up with the green eotech meme? All I hear is that it's worse than red
no idea but green usually puts a little more strain on your eyes. however the color green doesn’t trigger astigmatism for many people
I like using my eotech more even though the battery life is trash
Belt feed and tracers.