>Germany want to build a maintenance hub in Poland for the delivered PzH2000 in Ukraine.
> Poland blocks the hub because the maintenance should be done by the polish
state-owned arms manufacturer and Poland is allowed in on trade secrets.
> Germany has enough of Poland and goes to its good old friend Slovakia
Further information :
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/third-german-pzh-2000-howitzers-205300205.html
https://mobile.twitter.com/thorstenbenner/status/1578384692008701954
twoja stara
Crimea Bridge gets blown up and we get Pole hate thread. Vatnik cope, disinformation and distraction tactics is like a clockwork.
No, its just stefan from twitter, he got doxxed yesterday, just an assblasted germoid
Nah man, this isn't me. Just like yesterday, see pic.
I think it's one of my followers, because the numbers he used in his calculation were a little bit different (lower) to mine (do you have that thread from yesterday archived somewhere?), and I had one guy DM me that I used too high a price for PT-91.
Also hi /k/ again. Told you I'm lurking here frequently.
Ah, found it myself: 55530131
I posted yesterday in that thread with a pic showing that OP isn't me.
Also that guy is really damn racist
No you are not the OP
yes yes very nice vatnik very nice, but did you know that russia no longer has a kerch bridge?
The bridge is gone
>Germany has enough of Poland
oh no
That's unfortunate, but something that's even more unfortunate is the fact that the Crimea bridge no longer exists lol
Poles should've been exterminated in WW2
Damn, guess Hitler was a traiter then.
[__]_l:[__]
these are fricking shit. "bob is building an army" tier
That's your wet dream kacap.
the muscovite envies our noble aquiline noses
The Muscovite mongolian rape-baby fears the true Slavchad
Black person
Post Kerch bridge
>supporting ukraine now means you have to pretend to like poland
I didn't sign up for this
>Supporting Ukraine means you now have to tolerate Germany
How about no.
a D&C thread right after PUCCIA got BTFO?
well this is unheard of!
I want to wipe out Pooland and Hungary, fricking stains on Europe.
>what about the balkans
not europe
Why Hunegary
They are a fricking Russian vassal state
This thread again.
I mean, I get some justified outrage at what someone perceives as unfair or perfidious.
But this is simply a smear campaign.
OP clearly cares nothing for Ukraine, just for petty politics at best and HATO disintegration at worst. If there was any good faith behind this scandalous revelation it would be addressed to journalists and officials as a question to be taken position to and sought remediation, instead we have hateful agitation.
Cosmo Stephan pls stop already
No one believes you
THREAD THEME
https://streamable.com/hznq55
Frick Germany
Frick Poland.
As in the case of the Leopards, Kraut lies
>Germans lie to get other european countries behind them despite scheming with russia to make bank off said countries
what else is new?
What the p*le does not even mention, and for good reason, is that they demanded to get insights into the system germany would rather deny them.
oh no, not the secret cannon making technology. How will Poland survive without it. They wanted to steal fire from gods like Prometheus but the gods caught them. Oh no.
You resort to exaggeration because you have no argument. Yes, there are trade secrets in PZH2000 that poland is not privy to, and that's germany's good right. If poland does not want to offer germany facilities to repair ukrainian guns without demanding spying rights on them, that's rank uncooperativeness not only towards germany but towards ukraine as well.
it's no exaggeration. Why would Poland risk scandal in international relations for such very specific bit of know how?
Even if
was right, it would be negligible loss and an act of incredible pettiness. Poland would have to be supremely moronic to do something like this.
I'm more ready to believe that there's either incompetence or wilful sabotage somewhere in the bureaucracy negotiating this affair than to believe in this manner of moronation.
not to mention even if they did succeed in gaining 'trade secrets' from this, by the time they'd be able to implement them in their own designs the war would long be over. There's literally no benefit.
How is that not an exaggeration? Let's assume they actually didn't let germs organize a hub or whatever and wanted to do it themsleves instead. Is it unreasonable to not trust krauts? I don't think so.
>international scandal
you're really moronic for bringing this up because there is no buzz about it outside of a one twitter drama, so either no one cares, or it's simply untrue
Well I don't know what reasons Poland could have to not let Germany set up some machine shops near its railroad that couldn't be negotiated (logistics, land ownership, infrastructure connections idk). What risks are there to poland? That the krauts would launch a clever feint from there to capture Przemysl?
> there is no buzz about it outside of a one twitter drama
there's a lot of other stuff taking media attention but this sort of stuff adds up and it is being used right now in this thread as vectors for vatnik shiposters. "no one cares" is a feeble counter. Showing ministry of defence denying it is better and you can see how the bots jumped to "trade secrets" cope.
They dont want to use Polish workshops owned by PGZ?
>What risks are there to poland?
Depending on the contract they could use their hub to israelite out local companies out of their stuff later. Hard to tell what were the details of this agreement supposed to be because we don't know anything really. All I know is apparently krauts are not interested in any sort of compromise, which is weird.
But what is "later"? Why would the hub exist any longer than the war? I guess that's another technicality to agree on (state of location in which it is now, state in which it's handed over to and fro).
But honestly if either side is letting domestic politics get in the way of practicality on this issue then I don't even know. This is exactly the type of conflict rusbots revel in exploiting, and nihilistic individuals seeking personal gain frequently happily play into their hands.
This has nothing to do with topic of the thread directly but one individual I have second hand account about that's supporting vatniks in my country is a small businessman that just wants to do business in Russia. That's it. War crimes? Not his problem.
>If poland does not want to offer germany facilities to repair ukrainian guns without demanding spying rights on them, that's rank uncooperativeness not only towards germany but towards ukraine as well.
You germBlack folk have no right to use this argument.
There are literally rumors of Ukraine cancelling the Krab orders because of how dogwater they perform, would make sense for Poland to want more industry secrets of the Pzh2K and maintenance hubs getting staffed by poles, who "accidentally" sabotage them, just to say should’ve bought 100 Krabs instead.
>most intellectual boomer
>there are literally rumors
wow, now you got me
what else are the voices in your head telling you?
>muh schizos
Touch grass, have sex incel
Don’t know about Hungary. It doesn’t matter now anyways if it’s set up in Slovakia now.
Why wouldn’t they? They just do what they always do, screech and lie. Russia is done for, let’s be real here and everyone knows. So it make sense for Poland to make sure they get industry secrets and denying service to the pzh2k unless they get said industry secrets.
Relax. The Slovaks won't make suckers of themselves either.
>They just do what they always do, screech and lie.
are you talking about germans right now?
>Russia is done for, let’s be real here and everyone knows
Yes, that's why germies are so eager to help all of the sudden
still waiting for the epic source of your "gossip" btw
>are you talking about germans right now?
Keep begging for reparations, homie.
>Yes, that's why germies are so eager to help all of the sudden
It’s probably because trade with Russia stopped and Scholz getting more confident.
>still waiting for the epic source of your "gossip" btw
UAWeapons on Twitter posted it, but against it’s just a rumor.
Why would I be seething? The point of Russia being done for means they are militarily done for, aside from nukes they don’t have anything. So it’s not as important for Poland that Ukrainian Pzh2Ks are ready for use. Poland sees a good opportunity here to get insider access on how the Pzh2K is built, how the autoloader works etc. Business is business, and Poland wants to sell their products to Ukraine and make sure Germany doesn’t because they otherwise can’t compete.
>Why would I be seething?
I don't know but you clearly are
Sure
Seriously how low IQ are you? Let’s say Poland is sabotaging/too moronic to repair the Pzh2K and Ukraine then sees this and thinks the Pzh2K is shit, what do you think would happen? This exactly what I’ve been saying before you imbecile, the war is won by Ukraine and Russia isn’t a threat outside of nukes anymore so Poland doesn’t need Ukraine to have working Pzh2Ks. And lol do you seriously think Ukraine post this war won’t need an army?
I mean if you think so, I’ve already said many times that the polish gov sees a good opportunity here to make bucks and get inside information. Sabotage and copying is after all easier than innovating and beating the competition.
> Let’s say Poland is sabotaging/too moronic to repair the Pzh2K and Ukraine then sees this and thinks the Pzh2K is shit, what do you think would happen?
weird cope, possibly schizophrenic
>And lol do you seriously think Ukraine post this war won’t need an army?
And lol, do you think that once russia isn't a threat anymore they are going to keep spending money on more weapons? Literally why? To ruin their post-war economy for no reason? How animals like you even have the audacity to call anyone low IQ?
Ukraine has lots of pending orders right now that will be delivered when the war is most likely over.
The RCH 155 for example will be delivered in 2025.
They also won't have all the pzh. 2000s by that time.
How is not bulding this repair hub in that exact place going to prevent germany from making business with Ukraine you schizo? Why would Ukraine need to buy more weapons shortly after the war anyway?
>Why would I be seething
that's for you to know and us to guess. Maybe you hate poland for some personal reason and look for way to find your revenge, maybe you just get a rise from angry polish anons, or maybe you're deliberately trying to undermine trust in government, nato or a particular political representation.
But you've made it plenty obvious that you are not doing it in good faith and are attacking not just a particular agent who made an objectionable decision but rather an entire people, and you do it in a way that shows you're either passionate in your hatred or want others to be.
Anybody whose read a history book on Europe hates Poland, along with France.
Ah yes, Poland, the country that destroyed Europe with two world wars, home of Marx.
I'm curious, what are the reasons for Poland? I can't recall any single reason to hate Poland from history, unless you are a vatnik
Poland literally doesn't teach It's own history in school because they would have to admit they're basically the sole reason the Ottoman Empire conquered half of Balkans. Polish Cossacks caused the destruction of the Lithuanian Commonwealth which resulted in Russia annexing Ukraine.
This "based Poland" narrative is extremely revisionist.
based schizo
>Hands over Podolia to Russia instead of the Habsburgs despite Russia literally not even wanting it
>Russia hands it back over to Poland
>Poland proceeds to destroy 200 years of progress in a decade
>Ukraine finally gets their hands back on it
>Poland helps Moldovas attempt to steal Ukraine clay
Black folk of Europe.
Damn, guess that makes g*rms some real glow in the dark blackest Black folk out there
what are you even talking about you fricking schizo? when did any of these things happen?
>Poland literally doesn't teach It's own history in school
>what are you even talking about
Checks out
>made up bizarre shit that never happened
>no one knows what I'm talking about
>that means I was right all along
take your meds if you can afford them
>Poland proceeds to destroy 200 years of progress in a decade
>In a fricking Podole
Jesus Christ so this is what americans feel when redditors write shit like "As an european, this is how i would fix gun violence". Some disconnected from reality fricker, who get's his knowledge on history and political affairs from youtube videos with clickbaity titles, who never even visited the place he talks about, explains things to you, a local
>Poland is the sole reason Ottoman Empire conquered Balkans
>Not Austro-Hungary
>Not Venice
>But Poland, fighting with moskals, swedes and ottomans simultaniously, is responsible for turks conquering Balkans
I'm not even going to respond to the rest of this bait, it's too moronic to waste my time on it. Here is your (You)
Mr. Dugin is..is that you?
serb monkeys are something else
Germans trying to destroy Europe yet again.
your seething is not making you very convincing, not sure if it's you who is so emotional and filled with malice or are trying to inspire others in that direction.
Regardless, there's no logic in your statement because russia being done for makes the 'trade secrets' even less valuable compared to the image hit.
The pzh2000 can be transported from Ukraine to Germany in 24 hours and serviced there, where the industry secrets of the Pzh2K will be safe.
>Okay poles, it would be great if you conducted repairs and maintenance for our artillery
>Y-you need to dissasemble it to do it? But you would discover our secret military tech by doing it, maybe consider hiring a ginecologyst to repair everything through the barell, without dissasembly?
>Schemes and manuals? What do you need them for, can't you just, like, try things until it works?
Why the frick every german i worked or hung out with with was competent, smart and professional, but every german on the internet is like this?
Doesn’t disprove anything OP said. German maintenance hubs staffed by Germans who keep industry secrets, not some alcoholic vodka addict and a gov that can’t compete with blowing up Krab barrels.
are you fricking illiterate
>it is simply untrue
>Doesn’t disprove anything OP said
these two are are mutually exclusive you fricking moron
Why are Germans like this? Is it the Russian admixture in their genes?
Poles have far more russian blood in them. And not coincidentally they smear germany with the same level of dishonesty and mental gymnastics of the average vatnik.
Poland has very little Russian admixture compared to Germany.
Rape of Berlin.
Aborted, miscarried due to famine, died due to famine. Very few babies were born in 1945 and most of those weren't conceived from rape either. Poland on the other hand was occupied by russians for more than a full century.
how does that imply russian admixture you schizo?
>An estimated 6 million Russian-speaking people live in Germany. The majority of them are German nationals: ethnic Germans who came from the former Soviet Union — largely from Russia, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan.
Just for your information there are only about 13-14 thousand Russians in Poland. Russia has largely ignored Poland while steadily raping Germany over the years.
Genetically speaking Germans are the next closest thing to a Russian, even more so than Russia's neighbors. The rape of Germany wasn't a one and done thing it was an entire Russian effort that lasted almost 50 years.
Poles are slavs, period. The only Poles that aren't slavs are the Germanic ones that were stuck in post WWI Poland.
>Poles should've been expelled to Lithuania in 1918.
>someone historically iliterate tries to explain history
gotta love those low IQ morons like (You)
yes, all those gorillions of germans "stuck" there after WW1 surely were not exiled after WW2
I Realllllly like how it leaves out the key part.....
They are waiting for a response to an unreasonable request. They want sensitive technology transfers and training for polish companies, explicitly HSW to do the repairs alone.
But lucky Lithuania like to help Ukraine for real instead.
No source ever mentions what exactly they were requesting besides that schizo Stephen who's hardly a well-informed guy.
Also, your picrel tweet is from 16 September, so if germans are already operating a hub there, why would they need another one? Or are you just spamming random nonsense?
>No source ever mentions what exactly they were requesting
do you expect the company to list its sensitive information to some random jurno ? lol?
does any defense news ever list what the technology transfers include ? nope
>why would they need another one?
are you like actually moronic ? Check the map where Lithuania is... last time i checked they didnt have a land border with Ukraine its like 450km extra by car already and truck with a 60t tank on top won't be able to take the straight route.
your just mad the poles are exposed repeatedly for what they are.
This entire ukraine situation has been a prime opportunity for the polish government, which has hated germany with a burning passion for years, to launch a smear campaign against germany. They claim that germany does not deliver to ukraine, that german weapons are faulty and low quality, that germany promised weapons for poland it does not deliver, irrespective of whether any of that is true or false. I can well imagine that they will exploit this by demanding to get in on trade secrets in return for their cooperation, then accuse germany of unwillingness to aid ukraine when germany does not accept it. It is fortunate our government not only refuses the poles on this, but also finds alternative partners, and most importantly calls the poles out on their bullshit.
Stephan, we've already had this thread 20 times just this week.
20 if not more..those Jans from Warszawa oblast and Helmut's from Bavaria oblast are fricking annoying.
>another poland bait thread
laaaaaaame
>"no u" the thread
Touch grass Black folk
>stephan is at it again
Good, frick krauts, pay reparations. War mongers.
The polish truly are a race of disgusting Black folk, they steal anything not bolted down, abuse any shared resource until it's destroyed, and generally make the world a shittier place for everyone.
They are full of excuses and blame when confronted about their shitty behavior and why they don't feel the rules apply to them, war profiteering while they are about to be nuked is absolutely no surprise.
Just send these nig nogs at the Russians as common fodder it's all they are good for.
your impotent seethe is pathetic
Stealing is what everyone does, and since certain kraut bastards dont want to pay reparations for all the damage they caused. Poles are entitled to steal from kraut Black folk.
Steal EVERYTHING from those germ bastards, Pole frends...they owe you everything.
Why do you Black folk keep replying to those threads?
I love vatnik cope threads.
Germany only ever has enough of Poland when it's fully annexed.
True. And the poles exterminated.
Ah yes, Ivan from Berlin oblast..
Daily reminder that germany the richest country in Europe sent no aid to Ukraine other than 5000 helmets. Most of which turned out to be not military helmets but civilian plastic hard hats.
Not my problem.
You living in January?
frick germans for not doing more but:
>richest country in europe
false
>sent no aid to ukraine other than helmets
false
>turned out to be not military helmets but civilian plastic hard hats
false
frick off vatnik
I hope the PiS party gets voted out so that their followers stop shitting ob the board.
Inshallah my bruder soon we will enter the filthy infidel country of pooland and demographically replace their pig kuffar race as the prophet intended.
Thanks for proving the "shitting up" part.
Black person, are you extremely new and illiterate? Or trying really hard to be moronic?
Not their fault krauts are so slow. That still doesn't at all prove that they are going to order anything once the war is over. They'll have like, a country to rebuild, you know?
Truly the poolack kuffar will pay for their disrespect. Allah strafe pooland.
Bismillah brother thze pole will eat the Döner with sauerkraut
Because this and 20 other seething threads were totally not made by germs?
>do you expect the company to list its sensitive information to some random jurno ?
So you admit that this whole bizarre drama is possibly made up? Let me quote you, are you like actually moronic?
>Check the map where Lithuania is... last time i checked they didnt have a land border with Ukraine its like 450km extra by car
so why germy germoids first established their hub there and then started negotiating with poland about another one? this just makes no sense
Because they already use the pzh2k domestically ??????????????
>having a repair depot right next to the warzone makes no sense.
Ok Budy
Do you realize the Government can tell
journalist they are in talks without spilling the contents? Right like every business deal ever.
Like Elon musk wants to buy twitter but the details are secret. What a shocker
This means it's all made up because we don't know the details of the deal !
>why would they build a hub in poland after making one in lithuania?
>because lithuania is far away and poland is next to the warzone
>why didn't they go to poland first then?
>because lithuania is literally next to the warzone!!!
seriously?
>Do you realize the Government can tell
journalist they are in talks without spilling the contents?
It's all about the content though. Some random pinko says that the deal failed because of xyz and cannot back it up with anything
You need to work on your reading and logic comprehension
you need to work on your shitty comebacks if you're too stupid to type a proper argument
The threads/posts are made by anonymous users.
A smart individual just ignores them instead of rattling the cage like an ape and conjuring up boogeyman.
Some say it's Russians following some divide and conquer strategy, which is equally moronic since one shouldn't even bother about such formats in the first place.
I'll give you a checklist to avoid troll threads:
>Polemic wording
>Hyperbole about a currently controversial topic favoring one side over the other
>OP acting so moronic that one can't help to be triggered
Let me give you an example of such conduct, unless that poster is also you lol, he probably won't read the reply to you:
>Slow
Quality takes it's time. Some nations prefer to build up their own industry instead of building Frankenstein's monster vehicles hot glued together from Korean, British, German, American, Russian and israeli parts (the ones that normally fail, when will the Poles learn?)
why did you bump this low quality bait thread then? too lazy to sage?
want to build a maintenance hub in Poland for the delivered PzH2000 in Ukraine.
>> Poland blocks the hub because the maintenance should be done by the polish
That's entirely fair, you krautBlack person. You homosexuals buy profitable Polish business and shut them down to gain market share. Now you want to build jobs for yourselves in Poland? Drink bleach
You know that Poland and Germany have intergrated industrys?
Poland is literally the advanced workbench and labor pool for Germany. That industrys get shut down is more likely du to that the cost of production in china or so is cheaper. If you read the paper and no PIS news you will see that Poland is only benefiting from Germany.
https://www.gov.pl/web/development-technology/poland-became-the-5th-commercial-partner-of-germany
I honestly hope the Polish government looks at threads like this and grants all Poles full gun rights no loicenses required.
God damn man
Poland is not pushover to get bumfricked but dont worry anuslickers Slowaks will do that and will even do reach around as bonus