The end of A-10C

Why are they getting rid of her? She's been modernized and upgraded. She can still fight!

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's shit

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The airframes aren't getting any younger

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    useless even against cavemen in sandals

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    F-16 can do the same.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      F-16 is for chuds.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The future is bright

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What is this?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The A-10's replacement

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Mockup of what a modern A-10 style aircraft might look like.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It almost looks like a Textron Scorpion with the engines above the wings. Of course, the aircraft anon posted is art, not an actual aircraft.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes it's art because the actual A10 replacement is the F-35C.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          F-35C can't BRRRRRRT
          But if you can stick a GAU-8 onto an F-35, by all means...

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No advantage over the GAU-12

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Stick a stealthy gun pod under the F-35's belly.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    T-55s were modernized too. The proliferation of good hand held SAMs killed the A-10. It can no longer get anywhere useful without being shot down.
    They need to turn it into a sub hunter for the lulz.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The proliferation of good hand held SAMs killed the A-10
      >A-10 introduced 1977
      >SA-14 introduced 1974
      >SA-16 introduced 1981
      >SA-18 introduced 1984
      The A-10 has always existed in a world with prolific, effective MANPADS. It was always going to suffer losses in a full scale war. Its job was to provide close air support for ground troops so that fighter and bomber aircraft didn’t have to.

      What has caused the A-10’s obsolescence is the adoption of multi-role aircraft and the increased range and accuracy of munitions. When the A-10 was designed fighter aircraft were not seen as optimal CAS platforms. Cutting-edge aircraft of the time like the F-15 were designed with air superiority in mind exclusively - the famous “not a pound for air to ground” - even the F-16 was originally intended to be a fighter aircraft exclusively. That both these airframes were subsequently seen to also excel at interdiction and CAS was a happy accident, even more so because they can also do both these roles at the same time. Planes like the F-22 and F-35 have further cemented this reality. The reason the A-10 has stayed around for so long is because Congress is worried that these multirole or multirole-capable aircraft are capable of doing both of these tasks in a large scale conflict. The worry being that overtaxing your fighters for both CAS and air superiority will lead to unacceptable deficiencies in both of these roles. The A-10 is solely a CAS plane, its tack-on Sidewinders and maybe some meme-worthy situations with its gun notwithstanding, so provided you have enough ground crews to service both fleets of aircraft you can provide CAS and air superiority at the same time without available airframes and pilots being a limiting factor.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I should clarify that I was referring to the F-15E Strike Eagle more specifically with regards to doing CAS. Although I wonder if the standard F-15 would be retrofitted to perform air-to-ground in a full-scale war.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The C can carry unguided munitions on the FAST packs and the pylons, but there's not much reason for it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The A-10 has always existed in a world with prolific, effective MANPADS
        No it hasn't. Just because Strela-2 was introduced in '74 doesn't mean they existed in massive numbers. They've been an expensive and rare bit of kit for most of that time period.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        just because first world armies were producing them doesn't mean they were prolific throughout the world, they didn't start making their way into thirdie hands until Afghanistan, and even then they were remained somewhat rare until the last decade or so(hence why places like Somalia had to invent ways to use RPGs effectively against helicopters).

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, it's job was to kill Russian tanks coming through the Fulda gap but that never happened.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The purpose of getting rid of older airframes has been clearly stated by… that 3 star USAF general. They want the o bring down the average age of the fleet, and that means getting rid of some older air frames. In this case the A-10 is the least useful. Maybe the army will take a few and we can cannabalize the rest of the fleet for spares. As someone who has had to work on A-10s for maintenance, I’m kinda glad they are going away.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Army won't get anything due to the Key West Agreements

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Give them to the Marines. They like flying old shit.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Your stupid fricking remark isn’t cute at all. A-10s aren’t carrier capable and the Marine Corps does not actually fly old shit, Prowlers have been gone for years, Harriers are pretty much out the door, and F-18s are only gonna be around for a few more years. Fricking stupid ass post.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You got real mad over two sentences. Relax

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Because this board didn’t used to be filled with fricking morons like you that think they’re smart for making stupid quips.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm quipping, I'm quipping. Stay mad.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You said some moronic shit and got called out for it. Go back to r/militaryporn you fricking homosexual.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not that anon, but you rage like someone who beats their girlfriend. Settle the frick down, dude.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Too many hours on ancient airframes, useless in the conflicts the USAF actually fights, poor combat record with more fratricide than you'd be happy with in WWII, piss poor gun accuracy, hot fricking garbage with no use case without air superiority, and because of the age really not cost effective even when used reasonably etc etc etc.

    Shit's mad old and the coming turboprops will be better for COIN, and drones are better for almost literally everything else that you wouldn't do with a Strike Eagle or Viper. I quite like the A-10 but it's time has come and passed in about 1985. The C-model is a desperate attempt to keep it relevant while less capable in real term situations than any JDAM bomb truck or Maverick/Hellfire from any choice of drone.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its role is going to be taken over by drones, MLRS, and drone directed artillery. Once you get truly organic networked spotters going to autonomous artillery systems you will be able to wreck shit on the ground much cheaper with artillery, or rockets for longer range. The accuracy and speed a plane brings won't be the sort of huge benefit it used to be, and it's both way cheaper to fire the munitions in from the ground and much harder to intercept them.

    For cases where you still want something in the air there are drones, so that you don't risk losing people, or helicopters. Probably manned command vehicles using drones for the risky stuff will become the norm.

    Medium sized drones that can be launched of truck portable catapults can also fill the same sort of role at decent range.

    Also, there is a lot of new work in VTOL designs and I imagine if they work out they will be vastly better for CAS.

    Anything bigger can be done by the F-35 with way less risk.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The A-10 today is like Michael Jordan on the Washington Wizards. Sure it has it's moments, but it's well past time to retire to the great airfield in the sky

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Did the A-10 also get into trouble for gambling and have to play baseball for a while?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it was his father who got whacked for putting in bad bets and saying YOU AINT DOING SHIT TO ME, I'M MICHAEL JORDAN DADDY. then he got whacked by the black organized crime syndicate of the south in front of that raggedy as frick ramada inn, in lumberton when he was fricking a variety oof underaged runaways.

        when his father got whacked, michael jordan put out the biggest payout ever heard of for the heads of the ones who killed his father. the entire black organized crime outfit from before the civil war was wiped out in a week. the FBI was involved since he paid off a lot of agents to find the right hitmen.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >when his father got whacked, michael jordan put out the biggest payout ever heard of for the heads of the ones who killed his father. the entire black organized crime outfit from before the civil war was wiped out in a week. the FBI was involved since he paid off a lot of agents to find the right hitmen.
          damn, that's cool

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            lots of people are still missing involved in the case. I knew the two moronic guys who took the fall for the killing of michael jordans father. after they took the fall, their families had new houses and cars out of nothing.

            michael jordan and his sons drop $50K a hand on blackjack. degenerate Black person gamblers

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      that implies the a-10 ever had a prime like jordan did

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's out of production and the T-55s/T-62s it was designed to kill are becoming an endangered species.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Changing mission and its one of the older airframes in service, the pendulum continues to swing

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know because I know a way to make her relevant. Just make the GAU-8 smoothbore and develop 30mm APFSDS and canister shells for it. It'll be funny, especially the canister shot when it mulches a whole village in a single gun run
    Jokes aside I'm surprised she's lasted this long, in the 70s there was a point in relying on frickoff big guns to solve your problems because PGMs sucked but that changed very quickly. While I certainly understand why we adopted it, I cannot for the life of me understand why we kept it in service into the 21st century

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I cannot for the life of me understand why we kept it in service into the 21st century
      Because boomers like McCain on the armed services committees in senate&house. Same reason the Iowas took forever to be put away for good. It turns out, elite political types have about the same understanding of warfare as a middle school kid. Big gun go boom/brrrrrrt.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ok LIBERAL when those tallyban heard the BRRRRT they ran for the hills sonny i tell you hwaht

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I kek'd

          >The proliferation of good hand held SAMs killed the A-10
          >A-10 introduced 1977
          >SA-14 introduced 1974
          >SA-16 introduced 1981
          >SA-18 introduced 1984
          The A-10 has always existed in a world with prolific, effective MANPADS. It was always going to suffer losses in a full scale war. Its job was to provide close air support for ground troops so that fighter and bomber aircraft didn’t have to.

          What has caused the A-10’s obsolescence is the adoption of multi-role aircraft and the increased range and accuracy of munitions. When the A-10 was designed fighter aircraft were not seen as optimal CAS platforms. Cutting-edge aircraft of the time like the F-15 were designed with air superiority in mind exclusively - the famous “not a pound for air to ground” - even the F-16 was originally intended to be a fighter aircraft exclusively. That both these airframes were subsequently seen to also excel at interdiction and CAS was a happy accident, even more so because they can also do both these roles at the same time. Planes like the F-22 and F-35 have further cemented this reality. The reason the A-10 has stayed around for so long is because Congress is worried that these multirole or multirole-capable aircraft are capable of doing both of these tasks in a large scale conflict. The worry being that overtaxing your fighters for both CAS and air superiority will lead to unacceptable deficiencies in both of these roles. The A-10 is solely a CAS plane, its tack-on Sidewinders and maybe some meme-worthy situations with its gun notwithstanding, so provided you have enough ground crews to service both fleets of aircraft you can provide CAS and air superiority at the same time without available airframes and pilots being a limiting factor.

          >solely CAS
          Nah, it can do interdiction as well. Hypothetically, it can also do strategic, range permitting

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    please god someone put the a10 out of its misery
    just give them to somebody and let it die

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Iraq, Egypt, Niger, and the Saudis should get them. They can make use of them.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    After decades of blowing up brown peasants in the Middle East the US has begun to feel the string of defense spending and is constantly trying to cost-cut. So they asked “is it worth keeping these birds going?” To which the answer is “no”, not when a UAV can do the job for so much less. That’s all there is to it.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    reddit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They're divesting the A10 because of reddit?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        nah its because the airframes are super old and the plane does nothing a f15 or f16 can't do better

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's not a good plane, everything about it is a bad idea. I'd say it's so bad, if it was proposed in the soviet union, the designers who proposed it would be put on trial for attempted sabotage and waste of state funds.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That solution sucks man. It's a bad solution. But compared to every other solution it's why 10% of us have freedom.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >bbbbbrrrrrt
    >fuggg yeaaaa get ssssumm
    >oh wait, that fugger fragged half of our own squad and that random civvie hut
    >what do you mean he missed the enemy?
    turns out a10s aren't that cool and their pilots are dumb shit buttholes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Cope

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nah you just don't know shit about cas.
        You NEED a FAC to talk the plane onto the target for autocannon runs and if you have a fac a gps or laser guided bomb is 1000% more effective and allows for profiles that minimize exposure to radar/sams.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    While I love the Thunderbolt myself, she's fricking old. All the spare parts come from museums. Let her die with some grace before she gets people killed.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i hope they turn them into drones and send to ukraine for the last dance.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Let's send historical pieces that should be appreciated by Americans for generations to come because of muh Ukraine
      They've been given enough free shit. How about they start producing results?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Footage of A-10s mulching Russians would be more timeless than any museum piece.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Footage of A-10s getting mulched by Russians would be more likely and less appetizing

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i don't give a frick about ukraine, i just want to see A10 kill russians.
        it would be based, but i doubt we could send them to moscow ourself.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Let's send historical pieces
        It's weapon, weapon meant to fight in war, not fricking museum piece. Of all people on /k/ I hate the most are this colossal homosexuals who keep crying about weapon being used for its intended purpose, on what level of homosexualry are you?

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The gun is only good for soft targets and even then its not as accurate as it should be. Even the pilots knew it since most of its tank kills were via missiles.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The replacement will be a stealth aircraft, likely one developed off of the Scaled Composites 401. The Northrop Grumman Firebird, also has limited firepower, but is mostly intended for high altitude recon.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It’s just too old anon. Her days have passed.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Leave her, Johnny, leave her
    >Oh, leave her, Johnny, leave her
    >For the voyage is long and the winds don't blow
    >And it's time for us to leave her

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Frick dude I usually drunk post sea shanties and so I thought I made your post and forgot but I wasn't drunk so I was freaking out that I had dementia but then I saw it was only 30 minutes ago so I can be sure I didn't now

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that was a close one anon

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think the A-10 could have had a final moment of glory at the start of the Russian invasion when that huge convoy was stalled on the road to Kiev. Judging from how Bayraktar UAVs could just drop bombs on it without much trouble, I don't think the Russians were even bothering pulling their air defense vehicles off the road and getting them into position to provide coverage. Probably because those low ranking officers aren't allowed to take any initiative. So hundreds of vehicles stretched out over a road with poor air defense coverage because everyone is just sitting on their ass waiting for orders as the front of the convoy is stalled. The A-10s would have had a field day with that until Russian commanders realized wtf was going on and finally got their act together. That could take quite some time judging from how poorly everything in thst invasion went. Once the A-10s started taking notable losses they could be called off thet mission. They probably still would have some limited use firing AGM-65s from range. By now they would be pretty useless given what the war has devolved into.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      IF A-10S were causing trouble they would get shot down by russian fighters, but we might get a few of those with SAM's

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's taking up manpower that could be used on far more capable F-35 squadrons

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Chud-35 is Chinese slop

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I wonder how terminally online you have to be to arrange those words together in one sentence

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >She can still fight!
    The long mobik convoys in Ukraine... she missed her chance... RIP

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >BUT MUH BRRRRRRRT!!!!!!
    It's shit. Cool, but shit. It might have been an effective antitank weapon against the Soviet tanks of the 1950's, but that was a long time ago. It's only role now is as an ATGM bus, and there are better aircraft for that role.

    >TITANMEUM BAFTUB!!
    The plane is SAM-bait, and effectively defenceless against even vaguely competent hostile aircraft. It's also slow enough and low enough that any random SPAAG is going to chew it the frick up.

    >PURPOSE BUILT FOR CAS!!!!!!!
    and it's shit at it. It has such low situational awareness, and is so inaccurate that it's basically just a flying friendly fire/'collateral damage' engine. In Afghanistan it killed so many civilians that the Taliban called it their 'greatest recruiting tool'.

    It's also not stealth (or even 'low observable' or what ever the Russians call their bargain basement 'JUST AS GOOD' version), which is basically a requirement for anything you want to field in the 21st century. F35's, F15's, Eurofighters, and basically any drone able to carry ground attack weapons can do the job better, with better survivability, more cost effectively, and with lower risk of blowing the wrong shit up.

    >tl;dr - it was fun, about 20 years ago, but fun =/= effective.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Soviet tanks of the 1950’s? Have you been keeping track of the current conflict?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm pretty sure that 'near-peer' exclusively refers to 'the PLA, if it was as good as the average Chang likes to imagine it is' by this point.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Should just get dronofied so they can make invasive CAS runs without loss of life in imminent shootdown

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Also upgun them, 40mm at least

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Let her live her days in the airshow circuit. Something the Tomcat didn't get to do. On another note, can we make BFAs for 30mm Gatling guns?

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    delete the bbrrrrtttttt for a powerful A2G radar and then give it OTH missiles

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This shitbox was DESIGNED with the certain knowledge that 2/3 of the pilots would be dead within 5 days of combat against Sov armored formations. The pilots knew it, too. Sometimes the best plan sucks, but if it's the only plan available...

    And after it became impossible to operate this crate below 15kfeet, it shoulda been retired, but shitheads kept it around for 30-40 more years.

    Forget the plane, and remember the hard bastards who pledged to go kamikaze 50 years ago in it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      those pilots were the worst in the USAF by the way, the best went into strat bombers and the average became fighter pilots

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They can always make another one. Call it the A-20. The A-10 came out in the 1970s, so by now we can make a better one that can hold 2 gatling guns, more payload, better and lighter armor, and better jet engine.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    According to a particular game, we're still using them well into the future.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because the existing airframes are very old and long in the tooth, nobody is making any major airframe components, and the tooling for said components was destroyed long ago.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wow.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    too many friendly fire incidents, had to get rid of it because of the PR. dont worry, the pentagon hasnt revealed the a11 thunderbolt iii yet.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Besides just being an old bird that isn't worth the upkeep anymore, she just doesn't have a place in the modern battlefield. There just isn't a single job she does that can't be done better by other aircraft, drones, or even attack helicopters. She's also just not a well designed bird for both pilots and ground forces. She has the terrible flaw of having difficulty identifying targest on the ground making it Queen of blue on blue. In combat since she has to fly low and slow to engage the enemy with the gun whitch puts her in danger to any ground fire. She may be a tough bird, but she's far from invincible, anything 20mm or bigger will be a serious threat and that's not even counting MANPADs. Going in low and slow for an inaccurate as hell gun run also allows the enemy to see her coming and have time to take cover and hide. When the run is done and she has to circle around the enemy can pop back out and attack again or change position before the next run. Compare that to another plane flying high out of sight with great optics circling the combat zone dropping precision guided bombs. With good optics you can gather battle Intel and identify friendly and foe much easier. Flying high the enemy can't hit the plane with small arms or MANPADs. The enemy won't have time to take cover since they can't see the plane and by the time they hear the guided bomb or missle coming it's too late. Guided bombs and missles are much more accurate than the spread of the 30mm gun so more enemies killed and less chance of blue on blue. While 30mm is no joke, guided bombs are going to have more effect on target, especially against armored vehicles, structures, or entrenched positions.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if only they would just...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      VGH…

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >negligible accidental risk to user
    Because they're old as frick, the airframes are pretty much falling apart, it's vulnerable to pretty much every missile-based AAA invented in the past 50 years with the exception of MANPADs and its job can be done by either the F-16 or the F-35.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >she
    my guy he's shaped like a giant penis

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Futa plane, you cannot convince me that the GAU-8 isn't the plane equivalent of a giant dong. Plus Doug Winger worked on it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bro I already told you I like her, You don't need to convince me.

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Guys air defence exits, Defund the air force.

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Convert all A-10's into drones
    >Give them to Ukraine with a bunch of Ammo and fuel
    >Have them swarm passed Russian lines and attack soft targets
    >Force Russia to waste their entire stock of AA Missiles on them
    >Meanwhile F-16's are allowed to start the real work once Russian AA is completely depleted and achieve Air Superiority

    Give me a reason thus wouldn't work?

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >develop trophy system for A-10
    >remove meme titanium tub
    >develop APFSDS for GAU
    >give it modern turbine engines
    >swept wings
    >modernize obsolete airframe design
    There, I just fixed it. I'll take my paycheck now.

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are they getting rid of her?

    Because Air Force queens only want to fly fighters. So their Academy Mafia kills everything else, unless Congress holds a gun to their head.

  45. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all its roles have been filled 10x better by the light attack aircraft contract and the F-35

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