They're still manufactured according to prohibition-era design philosophies, the R&D just hasn't kept up. The only exceptions are a handful of subcompacts. The only way a full size revolver could be relevant is if you scaled up something like the Ruger LCRX, having the superfluous steel components replaced with polymer to save weight, and also gave it an integral optics rail and accessory rail. Without an optics rail the weapon loses relevance, but it has a fixed barrel so it's theoretically possible to mount superior optics and maintain a better sight picture under recoil. That potential is completely squandered if there's no optics rail, so it's almost like getting a great pistol that can't feed hollowpoints, it's basically useless. Revolvers have certain technical advantages over pistols that favor them for niche applications, but this is overshadowed by how primitive they are. This is a bigger issue to me than capacity or anything else. I'm not going to carry a GP100 or 686 when I could just carry a G17MOS with a Trijicon RMR and Streamlight light/laser module that weighs less fully loaded than the revolver does empty, but for certain situations and applications I definitely might carry an 8 shot .357 with a Vortex crossfire that weighs 34 ounces, that would be a hell of a woods gun at least. But there's basically no reason to buy any full size revolver on the market right now.
Motherfucker tilting barrel semi auto pistols have been around nearly as long at this point. Small arms have reached their peak there is nothing much to modernize
Your reading comprehension warrants a doctor appointment.
that kind of low IQ is simply genetic, no dr visit will be able to dump a few points into his score.
Bottle opener.
Nice thread, nerd.
>having the superfluous steel components replaced with polymer to save weight
You're forgetting that there is no reciprocating slide to soak up recoil. Light revolvers suck to shoot more than casually. Go put 10 cylinders of full house loads through 340 PD at the range and you'll really wish you had a heavier gun.
I used to shoot Buffalo Bore 357 out of the LCR, didn't bother me at all.
Everybody watch out for the cool guy with the huge dick
IDK bruv I've seen big, strong, schmeaty ass men whine like a bitch when shooting .357 out of a Kimber K6. LCR cannot be much, if any better.
Get checked for diabetes then homosexual, you're losing feeling in your hands
But it feels nice when I jerk off and don't have to sit on my hand.
>if you scaled up something like the Ruger LCRX
Exposed hammer spur is retarded for a practical carry gun. And it can't be much bigger than a Glock 19 if you want it to succeed.
>integral optics rail and accessory rail
Both ugly as sin and bulky, grip mounted lights and lasers, as well as the new Taurus optic mount, are more elegant solutions.
>You're forgetting that there is no reciprocating slide to soak up recoil.
This can be negated since revolvers can fit larger cases than automatics, so you can get less pressure for the same performance. .38 is an obvious example but it's too weak to compete with 9mm. We need a better revolver cartridge (like a .32 Magnum, yes I'm that guy)
>Light revolvers suck to shoot more than casually
Who said anything about light? A scaled up LCR, say a 7 shot 9mm, would be like 27 oz or something which is a pretty ideal weight.
>should be under spring tension
More shit to go wrong, way slower reload, and I don't think you could give that a nice trigger pull.
That system requires special cartridges that will just never be mass adopted since it's such a minor benefit.
>Exposed hammer spur is retarded for a practical carry gun.
That's why I said "certain niche applications". In my case, I just want a hyper accurate and versatile woods gun to bring on camping trips. Usually my G34 MOS fills that role. It's adequate, but I've never made groups quite as good with any pistol as I used to with revolvers in SA back in the day.
>certain niche applications
Okay but that'll just never exist because nobody would buy it. Fuck niche applications, revolvers rock and could BTFO autotragics in the multi billion dollar carry gun market. They could also compete in the police and security market but not dominate there.
It already does in the form of dedicated hunting revolvers. But they have proprietary rings instead of picatinny rails, are honestly overpowered and much heavier than they need to be depending on where you live.
Yeah but your dream, modernized woods gun specifically will never exist, if only because it'd be hideously ugly. On the high end, with big magnums, looks matter. People only tolerate the LCR's looks because it's so cheap. And it's supposed to be concealed so you aren't showing it off to the world either.
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard
That's how the market works. Deal with it.
No, I don't think it is
You know Taurus makes a 454, and. 500…. They’re both ugly as fuck.
Rugers grow on you but aren’t as refined as a smith and Wesson.
There’s plenty of market for big bore revolvers that don’t have the classic “look”
I dunno, just takes the right Ruger and they grow much faster.
I feel like a lot of the goodwill the redhawk generated is undone by the retarded barrel of the super redhawk….
“Oh shit that’s right we need to add a barrel… what do we do?”
The frame extension was probably threefold:
1. Less costly to produce than Redhawk, less barrel machining.
2. Scope mounts on frame.
3. More threads, a few Redhawks in early had a few batches where wrong lube was used on the barrel threads which corroded and threw barrels out of the frame.
It's a shame because the 2 spring design is way easier to tune on the SRH/GP100. The single spring design on the RH means you can't lower the trigger return weight without also lowering the force the hammer exerts.
I’ve heard why they did it. I just don’t like it…. Which is why I got an Alaskan.
Hopefully in February I’ll be getting a BFR in 500. Then saving to go full bushwacker… because I don’t really need my wrists right?
That’s sharp looking. I really need to get a long barreled 454 to compare recoil against my snubby.
>.38 is an obvious example but it's too weak to compete with 9mm
bait
Modern standard pressure 38 penetrates better and has more wounding potential than round nose 9 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3mkdjCsg580
Modern 38 is what pussys buy who are scared of the .357 magnum.
So true. This is why it's best to stick to old 38.
How does a man ask to see a .38 in the gun shop? On her knees with her mouth open.
>implying you can’t defend yourself without super special new guns
NGMI
I need something that will kill or cripple a carjacker and not blow up my antique gun
special new
.357 mag came out in the mid 1930s anon
And pocket guns weren’t made for it till much later. PPs is basically a long barreled DS
No it doesn't because you only get six shots and you have either a long and heavy DA pull or a manual hammer cock for each one, as well as no reciprocating mass to absorb recoil. There's such a thing as DPS in real life, that's why you revolver and 1911 guys are always wrong. You look at everything like it's fucking deer hunting where you only get one careful shot at long range.
Glock 19 isn't exactly small. Its Xboxhueg by today's carry standards.
I've been saying that for years. Most revolvers are still made entirely from steel instead of alloys or polymer and they don't even have dovetailed sights. Asking for carry optics compatibility and a rail on a smaller revolver might as well be asking for the holy grail. It doesn't help that most of the big revolver manufacturers also make every other type of firearm and are too busy printing money with ARs and micro compact 9mms to worry about revolvers. But damn, I wish I didn't have to search so much for revolvers that aren't all steel. I love my Model 10 and I carried it for a few years, but people like polymer guns for a reason.
Depends on the revolver. S&Ws tend to suck to shoot more because most grips leave the metal backstrap exposed. Something like the LCR with the wrap around rubber grip is fun, not painful.
Go ahead and post the same two pictures that have been going around for 10 years.
The shooter at Fairchild AFB in the 90s was put down at 70 yards by a guy with a standard M9 and just a couple years ago we saw a shooter get stopped at 40 yards by a guy with stock Glock sights that had been repaired at home due to damage from a motorcycle accident. Handgun optics for any defensive use are a meme, but I know one of these days there's going to be a high profile shooting where someone with an optic stops the shooter at 20 yards, and every sucker is going to point to that to defend their purchase.
>shooter at Fairchild AFB
goddamn chud phenotype lmao, look at those eyebrows
looks like pretty much any other white american ive seen, dunno what your talking about
>The shooter at Fairchild AFB in the 90s was put down at 70 yards by a guy with a standard M9
I'm OP and also the Glock guy from above so you're preaching to the choir. I actually train at 100 yards with Glocks on a regular basis. I also have a form where I sit with my back against a tree and use my knee as a rest to test the inherent accuracy of different ammo and bullets, and this is also a survival skill, I could kill a deer at 80 yards with this form or more. But just because I can do that doesn't mean I don't want a weapon that is more specialized for this purpose. The most accurate handgun I ever had was a used Colt Trooper that could make cloverleafs with waddutters at 25 yards. Almost no semiautomatic pistol out there could even do that from a ransom rest.
>Handgun optics for any defensive use are a meme
I agree, and they always get all fucking slimy from concealed carry. I carry a stock G19, but I always carry a spare gun, typically in my EDC pack. That is usually a G34 MOS with a trijicon and a TLR10, so it's not only a spare gun, but an alternative with better accuracy and recoil control. I've killed fuck tons of squirrels and shit with it, very easy to make accurate hits with at long range and I never lose that dot in rapid fire.
your holy grail, my noguns fren
Handgun optics are a fucking meme.
This, and handgun weight is a meme. You're not carrying a hundred pound ruck and a bunch of gear everywhere day to day, if it's "heavy" to you it's because you're weak. Handgun weight literally does not matter.
weight matters for recoil, which matters for follow up shots when shooting in quick succession. Gorilla hands that feel no pain aren't going to stop the muzzle rise of a 44 mag in a super light pistol.
sometimes I shoot just for fun
YOU CANT DO THAT
YOU HAVE TO BE HIGH SPEED LOW DRAG JUST LIKE MY FAVORITE INSTAGRAM MODELS!!1!1!1
YOULL BE DESD IN THE STREETS IF YOU DONT BUY THEIR PRODUCTS!!!1
youre implying the high speed people arent having fun
They aren’t. They’re spending money they don’t have on products they don’t need in an effort to fill a void that no amount of spending will satisfy. Only God can bring you peace, brother. Christ is king.
yeah thats gotta be it. anyone who has nice things is an antagonist who is shallowly compensating for something and will get their comeuppance from the plucky, frugal protaginist main character (you).
totally not a mindset engineered by cartoons and disney movies
“Just buy product and get excited for next product,” the post, the novella, the screenplay adaptation, the blockbuster hit, the cash-grab direct to DVD sequel
Have you poorfags ever considered that maybe spending your money on something you love instead of just hoarding it IS fun? Get a job or something i guess
At least when they buy expensive guns they have something to show for it, unlike the bullshit you're selling.
You're 22 years old
if you don’t pay 10 grand for my defensive shooting course where we blast paper at ten yard YOU. WILL. DIE.
t. doesnt minmax his appendix polymer with an optics cut
the problem is that the trigger is still in charge of rotating the cylinder. it should be under spring tension like an MGL
I'm surprised the Nagant gas sealing system was never tried again as well. The revolver had high production and was in service for a long time.
huh neat
I'm sure we could make that today without the shitty trigger
Not really, the cylinder getting pushed forward is part of what makes the trigger shitty.
Is it shitty in single action too?
Yes but it makes the double action even shittier. Any action that you add to the trigger mechanism is going to make it both heavier and grittier. More mechanical work and more contact surfaces. Simple as. Would a Korth-built new nagant have a shit trigger? It'd probably be decent. Would a Smith-built new nagant have a shit trigger? yeah probably
> the cylinder getting pushed forward is part of what makes the trigger shitty.
Not true, the TOZ 32 and TOZ49 have the same system and have excellent triggers. Soviet production quality and shitty refurbishments is what make the trigger shitty.
Aren't these single action only?
>hammer mounted firing pin
pretty normal for that era of gun anon, they basically all were like that.
I didn't know this existed but had wondered for a long time why nobody addressed the cylinder gap. I have heard repeatedly that it doesn't affect velocity that much, so I guess nobody cares.
You can silence and it leaves no brass and still hits harder than 22lr so surprised more assassins didn’t use it apart from nam-ww2
i imagine having a cylinder that moves back and fourth means more powerful rounds would fuck with whatever mechanism is pushing it/holding it forward. if what i was told was correct, the reason they even bothered doing the whole moving/sealing cylinder was because the ammo was pretty weak and it was an attempt to get any additional energy out of it. it being usable with suppressors was unintended.
what would be really cool is if people started fucking around with captive piston ammo. tl;dr a piston pushes your bullet, and seals the case at the same time. so the boom is already completely contained. if you could figure out how to have the piston part not stick out of the case, then you could turn virtually any regular gun into a "silenced" gun without any attachments. this revolver uses them, and look how short that barrel is. it would be pretty expensive per round, but how nice would it be to have a box of this sitting around when you needed it.
heres a cutaway of one version of the captive ammo. apparently one of the issues is that the spent cases would be under pressure and dangerous to handle until you waited long enough. but this style would let you keep it the same dimensions as whatever round you were replacing, and technically could cycle in whatever gun you wanted...issues with guns using gas to cycle their system or whatever probably wouldnt work, but simple blowback? imagine having a silenced mac-10 without needing a huge silencer on it.
It was collared 32-20 right down to specs
It’s why you can make 32-20 out of it
Maybe modern steel could improve to collared 327?
maybe, i dont really know anything about engineering and material science. i was thinking though if you limited yourself to break action shotguns, youd have a ton of space to work with, and if you just figured out a way to make it "reusable", youd have a great little hunting shotgun and you could get away with the cases themselves being expensive. paying 100 bucks for one shell doesnt seem so bad if you can reuse/reload it like 100 times, and then you just buy like. 4 of them.
maybe not great for combat, but would be pretty sweet for people who actually hunt for food or a living and only really need one or two shots at a time.
or go silly big bore and reduce the power. imagine a "silent" 4 gauge single barrel shotgun. just lobbing giant slugs silently.
we desperately need a gas sealing revolver to suppress
>requires special cartridges to realize benefits
>cocking force directly increased by cylinder spring pressure
>extra mechanical complication
>all this for <10% velocity gain, depending on cartridge and barrel length
It made a certain amount of sense with BP cartridges, where keeping the fouling out of the action would theoretically delay the works getting tied up with crud. With smokeless powder though? Not so much. It didn't catch on for a reason. (Multiple reasons, actually.)
revolvers aren't a dead end and the chiappa rhino and the mateba are cool new 21st century revolver designs, but they don't solve the problems that caused the general public to start favoring semi-automatics 50 some odd years ago.
the capacity problem is the biggest drawback, but for high powered cartridges it ends up being a moot point. basically the existing market of 1) people who want a small back up gun and 2) people who want to shoot a powerful bullet - are both kind of practically served by the designs we have. and it's not like there isn't enough r&d in the market to push interesting new designs, like the rhino, but those are really more just novelty guns rather than something serving a practical purpose
taurus makes a revolver that comes with a red dot though so idk man
The Rhino blows your fucking hand off.
The point of a revolver is accuracy. With a crisp single action trigger, fixed barrel, and no reciprocating mass whatsoever it's very easy to achieve high precision using a weapon with an incredibly compact and lightweight form factor compared even to any SBR or takedown carbine.
What if I want the point of a revolver to be shooting comically large rounds?
Agreed. Everything is more fun if you can scale it up to Looney Tunes proportions.
Please tell me that he has comically large percussion caps for that…. Please..
Don't know how he loads it, but it does work.
That's the purest reason of all, anon.
We need revolvers chambered in .308 Win.
>blows your fucking hand off
Run a Bubba's Super Hot Fudd Handload through any gun and you'll be in surgery to stitch your handmeats back together in very short order. There are two documented failures of a Rhino where the cylinder actually blew apart, and both were morons pushing stupid loads with stupid pressures who got what they deserved ... or, didn't get enough of what they deserved for being so fucking retarded.
Now go look for pics on how many glocks have blown up in their owner's hands, using factory standard ammo.
apples to potatoes. Show me the rugers blown up from bubba's pissin hot loads. Oh wait, you can't.
nagger
PISSIN HOT
Just hammer it back into place and jb weld it. Don't be a fucking pussy
The Colt Dragoons and 1860 didn't even have a top strap at all. I'd say it's fine.
>rhino fan
opinion discarded, rhino is shit that snaps off the indexing pegs at the slightest whiff of a defensive loading
The fuck do I need a sight at self defense distances for?
Point, squeeze, repeat process until the .38 +P or .44 Magnums (depending on how I felt that day) have convinced him to fuck off.
The weapon hasn't changed because it hasn't needed to; just like classic spring and wire mousetraps are still used.
Why change what worked?
Self defense, you don't. Double lunging a white tail at 70 yards or a mass shooter from across Walmart, optics make a huge difference.
You will never murk a mass shooter from across a store, keep dreaming anon
The old geezer that dropped that spaz in a church with his .357 SIG used irons.
>did you read about this one, individual incident?
saw the webm too. also read that a guy shot down a plane hanging from a parachute using irons. guess thats all youll ever need when fighting a combat aircraft in ww2. a pistolo. if one person did it, everyone can!
Reminder a fudd with a single action revolver can draw faster than you, shoot quicker than you and is more accurate than you. From the hip.
Reminder that the fudd gun of choice is the 1911, because the revolver was obsolete before even fudds parents were born.
Can't use a 1911 in cowboy action weeb
Revolvers were carried by police clear into the 1990's in some places and are still carried by Corrections Officers.
>and are still carried by Corrections Officers.
every CO I've ever known has had a Glock 19 or 17 issued to them.
I just want an LCR that's red dot ready and had a rail for a light.
>reach to activate light
>get cylinder gapped
yeah
Do you usually activate your light mid-shot?
anon, when are you going to use the light on your carry handgun. When you need to identify the threat, right? Ok, threat identified. What now? You hesitate to take the shot and move your hand away, or you blast your hand. Either way, bad times.
Honestly I don't see it being as much of an issue as you think. It's not a hot big bore and the controls would be well below the forcing cone. Lots of people actuate the weapon light with their trigger finger anyways.
Oh no some minor burns in my self defense shooting. How will I ever recover?
Revolvers are so inferior to semi autos in every way it's not funny. You have to spend minimum $1200+ to get a well made revolver that isn't rough as heck, and has tight tolerances on the cylinder so you get a consistent trigger pull on every chamber in double action, and even a decent trigger in SA.
For $700-$800 you can get a fully upgraded semi auto with a red dot that is top of line shooting wise. You're looking at 1500 to do the same to a revolver.
>source: it came to me in a dream
Source: shot a lot of revolvers and bought them. Every single revolver I've shot that wasn't a very high end Colt or S&W had a shit trigger. The machining on even the lower end of the "premium" lines like Ruger competition grade or S&W "pro" is terrible. Maybe if you are a beer drinking pleb you are fine handling a gun that's the equivalent of a big titted, makeup caked, botox lip whore. Same as a person who says "race is skin deep". If you look underneath, you'll see that her face is hideous.
The more you post the more stupid you sound.
You're full of shit
>Muh top of the line Colt!
>Muh top of the line semi auto with optic for $700!
>t. never owned a revolver
Millions of J and K-frames for under $500 say you are retarded.
>$500 J or K frame with decent machining
you are a foaming at the mouth, drooling retard if you believe this
go into any gun shop and play with all the revolvers. anything in the $800-1000 range is glock tier fit and finish. $500-800 range is south american semi auto tier (think bersa or taurus). sub $500 revolvers are hi point/jennings level of quality.
>huuuuurrr smith and worsen
>huuurrrrrr poooger
Wheelgun shills are the most dishonest and delusional people on earth. Desperately clinging onto 1830s technology to look special, since there is no other reason for revolvers to exist. Revolvers are money sinks for every company that makes them, outside of things like wild west repros and one offs. Manufacturers keep them around only to attract boomer fudds as customers who will drop big money on other products.
On top of that, S&W quality control with their revolvers went off the deep end ten years ago. Among other issues I had a 442 fucking performance center with a barrel that wasn't threaded on straight, and a 686 with a forcing cone left so rough that you couldn't use lead bullets at all. I will never buy anything from that company again. Ruger is the only company making decent revolvers now but they've inflated in price like 40% since 2016. And they can't be bothered to put a FUCKING OPTICS RAIL on any revolver even though they have no conceivable use in the modern world other than high precision weapons for hunting or similar uses.
Alternative consideration: they're cool and fun and that's all 90% of people who buy them care about
That's not why I liked them years ago when I was into revolvers. I wanted dual purpose self-defense/wilderness survival weapons that were both as accurate and reliable as possible. I think I had like ten revolvers at one point, and I also reloaded. Now I exclusively shoot Glocks.
>Now I exclusively suck Cocks.
Post a single firearm.
>boo-hoo a whole $1200
Is this what it’s like to be poor?
Some people buy guns because they like them. Not just because it’s technically the best available.
I bought a mini 14 because I enjoy the look and feel of it far more than ARs.
I have an AR and I know they are cheaper, can be more accurate, and easier and cheaper to upgrade and exchange parts. But I get great enjoyment out of shooting my mini 14, far more than my AR.
It’s fun. Try it!
Revolvers have sex appeal. Semi autos don't. Sorry my man, but I do occasionally enjoy getting my dick wet once in a while.
hear me out
9 shot mateba autorevolver chambered in 5.7 with an integrated laser sight and static optic mount that wraps around from the lower frame
Just one problem
>Mateba
Why did they leave us bros?
but I hate moon clips
i need it bros
The only thing stopping a revolver from being the perfect suppressed firearm is the gaps between the breach, cylinder and barrel. I'm thinking EDM machining to close the gaps, while also building an integrated suppressor into the barrel.
I see you have never touched a revolver before.
too much fouling and metal expansion to have perfect tolerances.
Can't you get around that with a moving gasket? Only the points of contact need to make a perfect fit, not the entire cylinder.
You probably could, but it's so damn niche that it's not worth figuring out. The only modern gas seal revolver that might just succeed would be one with two cylinders, 9mm and .38. Only it's so short it can only fit .38 wadcutters, which have full length brass like a Nagant cartridge. So you use 9mm normally, but for really quiet shooting you load .38s.
Why only .38s? I'd prefer to do it with a subsonic round for even more noise reduction.
>he doesn't know what machining tolerances are
>he doesn't know what thermal expansion is
underaged pls go
What’s your point? A 100 year old 22 ounce bootlegger gun will gore a man just fine
Do you like that the pp doesn’t have a lug?
Yes
Very yes
Should I buy a like new Smith & Wesson 36-1 for $500? It sat in some boomers safe for close to 50 years before he traded it in at my lgs
Do it pussy
do it
'
I'd buy that in an instant. Beautiful.
I'm extremely tempted. I was saving for a hi power but might have to buy both.
You fags have convinced me. If it's still there tomorrow I'm going to buy it.
>great gun for a great price
do it pussy, you won’t
3" J-frames are pure kino.
nagger if you don’t buy that then tell where it is so I can.
>but muh high speed low drag guntuber Instagram bro said-
Fuck that. Become the hard-nosed, bourbon drinking 1940s noir detective that God intended you to be.
this is the problem with s 0yfaced bitchboy revolver fags
they literally think they're some movie cowboy badass
you're fucking pathetic
Only real application the things still have is a pocket gun or deep concealment backup, so the polymer saving weight is a huge upgrade. Having a heavy gun weigh down your pocket or one of your ankles is annoying.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I wish ruger would make a full size 8-shot revolver with LCR technology. Throw a bunch of rails on it to compete with the S&W R8 or whatever
Revolver in 5.56 when?
Saw a video of this single shot pistol in 5.56 and was reminded of That Gun in FO:New Vegas in 5.56.
Definetly not for CC citing over-penetration but rather range toy. I'm sure it wouldn't sell however I'm interested in manufactures discussing it
S&W makes (made?) an X frame in .350 Legend. Should be easy to rechamber in 5.56. I imagine there'd be really bad flame cutting on the top strap like .357 Maximum revolvers had.
You can't rechamber that into 5.56. You'd need another cylinder made.
No shit, you'd need a new barrel too. I mean S&W could manufacture it as a 5.56 from the factory.
What would the point? .223 is the worst handgun cartridge you could possibly design.
Putting a modern rifle cartridge, using a high volume of slow burning rifle powder at very high pressure and small soft point bullets that rely upon high energy and impact velocity in order to achieve terminal performance, into a handgun is a very very stupid thing to do.
>at very high pressure
What do you think cartridges like 454 Casull, 460S&W, 500S&W operate at?
Those are elephant rounds. 44 Magnum max pressure is 36K psi. But they all use fast burning pistol powder and massive bullets that rely on frontal area for terminal performance. A .223 revolver would be a good way to wound and lose game while simultaneously blinding yourself and giving yourself permanent hearing loss through earplugs.
Keep in mind that the speed of a powder is always relative to the cartridge. A 223 in a revolver will still burn most of its powder within the first 2 inches of the barrel, peak pressure is reached during the bullet engraving.
Sure, you lose velocity because gases aren't allowed to do more work, but the speed of the powder isn't really the issue here. You might choose a relatively fast 223 powder. AA2015, IMR4198, reloder 7 or 10, etc.
>how much velocity would I lose from a 8" barrel relative to normal
Maybe 40% worst case.
https://rifleshooter.com/2015/12/223-remington-5-56mm-nato-barrel-length-and-velocity-26-inches-to-6-inches/
Wrong. You lose an absolutely insane amount of velocity and gain it back in muzzle blast and fireball. A 16" AR15 is already so loud that you should really be using muffs over plugs to train with it safely. You should never use modern bottleneck rifle cartridges in short barrels.
Anon, can you do math?
>6" barrel does 1955fps, 26" does 3182fps
>39% velocity loss
>6" barrel does 2202fps, 26" does 3431fps
>36% velocity loss
Recall I said you lose "40% velocity", why don't you try doing math sometime fuckhead.
Your energy is dropping from 1233 fpe to fucking 465 fpe you fucking idiot. It's a tiny little bullet with no frontal area, it's COMPLETELY dependent on impact velocity, expansion/fragmentation, and energy cavitation to achieve any significant wounding power at all. You just took away ALL the performance. So congratulations, you've just achieved the energy of 9mm+P but with a bullet with less than half the mass and 10X less surface areas, 170 decibals, blinding fireball, and a 2"+ long cartridge that can't fit into any conventional pistol action.
I didn't ever once say it was practical, just that it could be done. I never suggested it should be done.
I gave a reasonable assessment of pressures being fine and velocities being about 40% less.
You know, you didn't have to reply at all just now
Some fucker said I was wrong, he was wrong.
Why haven't you killed yourself yet?
After you.
weren't people already shitting on 5.56 out of 7 inch barrels? putting it in a revolver will just make it worse
The gas would be deadlier than the bullet at self defense range
Weight is the biggest problem - no one will carry around - or even play with - two pounds of a 6-shooting iron just in case. And let's face it - snub noses are not real guns; lightweight ones are terrible shooting platforms to boot.
>modern revolvers
Everything is copy-paste of smith wesson design
>old school revolvers
SOVL
Your photo inspired my collecting
Where is my scandium K frame with a light mount and a red dot cut
Modern manufacturing made to break whereas older products were made to be repaired. The absolute worst thing that could happen to any product is for it to “modernized”
That's an extraordinarily ignorant thing to say. A Glock can go 50,000 rounds and need only $50 worth of small replacement parts. No revolver ever made could do that.
Bullshit. Run 9mm +P and see how soon problems arise. That's what you're doing when you run 357 for 15,000 rounds, the fix is usually endshake bearings to start, then maybe setting the barrel further later.
Glocks are built to handle a steady diet of +P, they are designed around 9mm NATO and intended to safely handle subgun ammo if necessary. The armorer's manual says to not use ammunition generating more than 43,500 PSI, that's more than any +P+ ammo you can buy, even Buffalo Bore and Underwood. Worst case scenario is you have to spend slightly more money on drop-in parts. You will never have to take the thing to a gunsmith. No revolver has the long-term reliability and durability of a Glock, not a single one. I knew a guy who destroyed two Colt Pythons doing silhouette shooting. I've been shooting Glocks on a nearly daily basis for ten years and I've done nothing more than replace a couple recoil springs, which probably wasn't even necessary.
Original Pythons are fragile, with lockwork that likes to go out of time. Do you think that's representative of revolvers generally?
So then what's the revolver that people are running for 50K rounds with cheap drop in parts? Enlighten me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_10
https://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/smith-and-wesson-model-10-review/
https://www.gunbroker.com/Revolvers/search?Keywords=Model%2010&PageSize=96&Sort=4&View=1&Ch-model=10
www.thesixgunjournal.net/a-revolver-buyers-checklist/
https://www.thesixgunjournal.net/a-revolver-buyers-checklist/
Not watching all your videos
Nobody is shooting a SW model 10 and I've never even seen one before.
A Ruger GP100 will never become loose shooting 38 +P.
357s that aren't pissing hot, you can expect them to last 12,000 to 15,000 rounds.
>15,000
That's like one year of shooting
Anon 15,000 rounds is more than 99% of the population will shoot in their lifetime even if they were in the military as some sorta logistics POG, bought a gun or two when they got back, and hunted once every few years.
I'd wager that fewer than 1% of handguns sold today will ever reach their end-of-life round count. Most will attrit out due to some mix of gun buyback, losing a part in 30 years thats no longer made, elements, and neglect. Most guns sold on the civ market would be lucky to be shot 5,000 times.
If you shoot 3 Glock mags per day that's 18K rounds.
yeah thats a lot. do you just get home from work and magdump into your backyard every day? obviously you're going to say "Yes." because i asked a rhetorical question but i seriously doubt you shoot that much.
>he doesn't magdump the neighbors every day
How do you think we determined 50,000 rounds was the death knell to glawkz?
We gave them out in the ghetto.
Glocks are okay but come one.
I’d say the gp100.
Or an MR73 lol
Semiautos that are well built can last longer because the frame is subject to less forces (slide reciprocating )
and they usually shoot weaker ammo. 9mm, 45, 40sw, once you get to 3fiddy seven snigg and 10 mm you are in 357 magnum teritory.
Only fiew autoloading pistols are in the 44 magnum ballpark, fiewer still in the 454 casull energy ballpark.
Wildey/ automag/deagle/ grizzly 45 win, kustom guns
Some revolvers are better built then others.
Original colt anacondss were not that great.
Rugers are preatty sturdily built.
But unless you are a very serious shooter or feed a shit tier gun with shit tier high preassure ammo. They should last long enough.
One problem a combo of some guns and some ammo is the "jet cutting" of the frame.
Also if you go shooting a 38 sp out of a 357 magnum revolver, the gun should last breety long. Same story with 44 special and 45 lc in 454 casull.
I fucking love wheel gats but a glaring issue I've found with them is they're not exactly the most optimized when it comes to size to umf ratio for carrying purposes.
It's hard to find a concealable wheel gat that can compare to a p365 for example. If you try to match the size of the 365 you get something alot weaker than it (pic related), and if you try to match the firepower you're not gonna get something as compact as the 365.
I'd say they're still relevant though since they're one of the few handguns out there that can take big 'fuck you' calibers that are very applicable for taking down large animals.
But they are the clocks of firearms. If it breaks or you need to get some deep cleaning done you basically have to take it to a gunsmith.
still luv em though. There's just something about them that makes them so cool. Maybe it's the antique aspect of them? I dunno lol
shoot 'em right, and you won't have to shoot 'em a lot...
It's only an issue for emasculated homosexuals who don't spend their days sitting in darkened run down offices sipping straight whisky and chain smoking cigarettes as the next femme fatale pleads her fake sob story as she tries to play you for a sucker and get you to do all her dirty work for her. just like the last dame who walked through that door one hot Los Angeles day, as the sun beat down on all the other poor rubes just trying to make a living. and i don't know if it's that same sun or the girl that's making this office hotter than hell right now as i sit here listening to her repeating practiced lines with blinds across the windows and a pain behind the eyes.
Cool now I get to be the detective
damn that looks cool with the deltapoint
Just needs one of those resin grips and a laser to complete the look
Hey Jake
gonna need the deets on that mount
He just superglued it on there.
Revolvers are cool and fun, and not for tacticool larpers
the R8 is a perfectly servicable combat revolver. its light, durable and has decent capacity.
Getting shot by a .38 is ghetto foreplay
What about a 9mm rocket pepperbox thing with a camera
and it shoots explosives
Assmad autofags off their meds again?
Right. You would think you could wind them up now and shoot the full auto.
Snubnose 357, 327 ...something... magnum, 38 specials ecc. Have a place in concealed carry antipersonel purposes.,
Specifically:pocket carry, adding shit to it, defeats the purpose of having an easy to conceal in a pocket, easy to draw from a pocket, and can be shot from a pocket: pistol. There are prolly cases where a snubby optic might work.
For 4-6inch barreled revolvers it might make sense to mount an optic
There probably are people rocking a 4 or 6 inch barrel 357 .
However at that point a 10mm might serve you better since you are not pocket carrying or shooting from a pocket with that size of gun.
Then again people do not neceseraly minmax due to some personal bias like not trusting autoloaders, its silly but what can you do
and someone might shoot a revolver better then an autoloader for some reason and feel more confident with one.
Or simply inherited a wheelgat,
or CC is secondary to FUN.
Then there is probably a madlad cc-ing a 44, optics MIGHT make it unconcealable since 44 mags are usually quite Thicc, and Girthy.
As a hunting/backpacking gun, yea, optics might not be a bad idea if it does not disbalance the gun too much or make it unwieldy.
Then there is cost. Should i spend money on a good optic/ mounting solutions, ecc. that probably wont be necessery should I ever need to actually use my gat.
As far as a revolver with no light/optics solution?, primitive?, yea . Useless? Far from it. Gun shoot bulliit. Bullit make people foreversleep. Grug make family safe.
Revolvers sometimes come with ribs that can be used to mount optics , or are drilled to accept optic mounts.
Revolvers need stronger frames since the frame takes the entire force from firing with no springs to cushion it. and polimer would be too bulky and probably temperature sensitive to allow a "normally" proportioned revolvers.
Titanium and scandium are sometimes used though.
Got a new SP101 this week. Just came back from the range with it for the first time. I like it. Kind of wish I had made the extra effort to get pic related version now, though.
Engraving offers no tactical advantage whatsoever.
Having a really cool gun that you like to look at means you'll practice and shoot with it more. This one is cooler and neater to look at than the one I got, which means I will be practicing and shooting with it maybe 5% less. That 5% disadvantage in training might be the difference in a gunfight.
I actually kind of disagree with this. I have some guns that are so nice I hate to shoot them but then I have my beater model 10 that I've probably got 50K rounds through. And with the nice ones it's not so much they are worth a lot or I'm too poor to replace them or anything but they're out of production guns and I feel like a steward taking care of them for future generations. Not much chance of feeling that way about an SP101 I guess.
I was just shitposting. I wanted a blued version but the store didn't have one. Having a stainless pistol made me look at others ones, and then I saw the engraved version and liked it.
Wood grips abound if you're into it.
I definitely want either wood grips or wood inserts. The plastic inserts that come stock feel really fucking cheap and the rim for the screw sticks out just enough my palm feels the edge after a while of dryfire practice
Was thinking of these.
https://chigsgrips.com/sp101-grip-panels/
Good ones, grips4u made mine.
Going light is NOT the way with revolvers.
That's why it should have a light rail, add frontal mass that actually fucking does something instead of just useless steel that doesn't need to be there.
You are basically talking about a S&W TRR8. 8 shot .357 mag that's optics and light ready and the frame is lightweight. Unfortunately, they suck.
Smith and Wesson is dead to me.
Cool, but they're the only ones making what OP asked for.
The big issue is Glock.
It has killed everyone, not only some revolvers. And for good.
The advantage of revolvers is that they're rather ergonomic and easy to shoot with usually fantastic triggers on single action. Really what makes them useful is their ability to sling what would be considered pseudo rifle rounds like the bigger magnum loads at respectable velocities in a package that can be carried on your hip or under the armpit. Revolvers fill a pocket rifle niche that other handguns struggle with due to cycling issues or anemic rounds. Really what I would do is remove the cylinder gas leaks, thread the barrels and put a pic rail on top for a long distance shooting handgun. Their other niche is as a snubnose bear gun, 357 magnum is acceptable but 44 magnum is preferable. Really I'd consider some weight additions to those guns as well like tungsten parts to manage 44 magnum better as having them cut for a flashlight and a pistol dot as bears and moose don't disappear at sundown. Ultimately though Revolvers are expensive for what they are but when done right they really shine as punching above their size in power.
>Their other niche is as a snubnose bear gun
I carry a bond arms Cyclops chambered in 45-70 for bears
smart, blind it with muzzle flash from unburned powder
Making donuts is fun
>hammer back
this looks like one of those double shots in action, where the recoil kicks so much the gun goes off a second time pointing 45 degrees up
capacity and reload speed is the only real issue.
>capacity and reload speed is the only real issue.
Only for people who don't understand that's not a relevant issue.
mostly, but sometimes you may need to fire many rounds or the stress of your first time makes you empty the cylinder quickly without the desired effects.
a compact 1911 with 6+1 still has that quick reload.
>mostly
99.999% of the time.
mostly. i've seen people flub their first idpa match because of the anxiety. most are fine, but some mess up. they're good on the subsequent rounds.
You can do everything right and still die.
And honestly, aiming is stupid in a close range DGU. You should just shoot as fast as possible. Even the muzzle blast is disorienting to an opponent, and every bullet that strikes him makes him less capable of shooting back no matter how badly placed they are especially if they're good hollowpoints. That's why I want capacity and a quick reload, that's the next best thing to carrying an SMG. I wouldn't aim at all unless I was trying to hit a mass shooter across Walmart or something. I'm saying this as someone who does way too much 25 yard slow fire and expects to keep his shots on a playing card at this range with a stock G19.
>aiming is stupid
whoever hits the other guy first AT ALL is probably going to win. This is one thing from COD that's actually real.
I don't subscribe to this theory:
But, considering Glock 10mm you need at least 44 Mag in a convenient package to stay competitive.
In that scene, if either party had adopted proper form and sight picture, he would have just lost even harder.
bullets don't do hit point damage to a pool of HP of 100 points. You don't insta kill a guy with one or two shots. People can be shot multiple times and still survive and fight back while surviving. You either hit the CNS, or you don't. If you are hoping to get a lucky shot on a small and moving target, then good luck. Others will actually aim.
Wyatt Earp said in an interview that taking the time to aim was how you won a gunfight. Good enough of an anecdote for me.
100%, though there are situations where you can just blast away as fast as you can and still not miss, like if a nagger has you at knife point obviously.
How durable are speed loaders?
If you get shaken down lunch money are they going to fall apart/become useless?
>If you get shaken down lunch money are they going to fall apart/become useless?
What?
Ok but what if I just want to pistol whip someone like Henry Hill? Didn't think of that did you jackass?