>The AR-15 is the best overall weapons sys--
The AR-15 has an unintuitive charging handle for right handers, and awful overall ergonomics for left handers. The AR-15 is suggested to have more cleaning per 1000 rds than its contemporaries, even with an optimal setup. Additionally unoptimal setups of gas setting, gas port location, barrel length, buffer, receiver manafacturing qc intolerences, muzzle devices etc. are more likely to induce failures than its contemporaries. This is a weakness because it means the rifle requires more intelligence to maintain and setup. You know those AR builders who sell completed uppers online? I bet one of those guys is a chud. The AR-15 may be sensitive to fine sand. The AR-15s primary cartridge is known to have decreased fragmentation range with barrels under 14.5" or maybe 16". Actually I dont have an AR so I wouldn't know. The AR-15 has twintails which implies she's a slut who gives frequent burger king bathroom brapping blowjobs. Some AR-15 stocks may be incompatible with some operaters cheek bones/facial structure. The AR-15 is ugly. The AR-15 is known to have problems leaking gas through the t handle receiver gaps while shooting surpressed and with suboptimal setup. This is due to the engineer assigned to the rifle mistankingly relocating the charging handle to a faulty position while in prototyping, leading to the main detractor of the rifle and a major ergonomic obstacle for all operators.
>tem--ACK!
OH MY GOD! (that was my Joesph Joestar bit, did you like it?) What a promiscuous looking whore.
You were in the A/k thread. You're depraved and strange! Seek assistance.
Is coffee good for you?
no but compared to all the other shit that we put in our bodies intentionally or inadvertently, its not THAT bad
>I bet one of those guys is a chud
This doesn't bother me in the least if he builds it right. I'd probably trust a chud more than a woman to put my gun together tbh.
Coffee may have tannins and antioxidants that are good for you, but excess caffeine consumption can be detrimental to your cardiovascular health. Consumed in moderation coffee is likely fine for you, but ask you doctor what's right for you.
Youre being sexist. Women are intelligent enough to build AR uppers.
Not in the amounts I consume it. Keep it to a mug or two a day and you'll be fine. Three is still okay if pushing it. But for all that is holy do not exceed 36 fluid ounces of coffee within 24 hours, that fourth cup will kill you
Studies have shown that up to basically a pot of coffee a day the effects are a net positive
I'd personally recommend not drinking any more 4 hours before bedtime
The only thing that makes the AR platform's drawbacks worth it is shooting .308 in a decently accurate semi-auto platform. So AR10s are worth the drawbacks but 15s are not. You're just dumb if you fell for the 5.56 meme, and shooting it through that finicky aluminum hunk of government cope is even sadder.
>Actually I dont have an AR
yep all AR haters are nogunz without fail
>posts a vid where the whole point was to destroy the gun by shooting thousands of rounds through it
Are poos seriously this retarded?
The fun part is nothing even went wrong with the rifle itself, the only thing that shit the bed was the crappy handguard that walked out.
0:09 is a great demonstration of a forward assist in action
Tought the same. Also, forward assist is a fantastic feature and only bench shooting retards think otherwise.
>only bench shooting
?t=20
Just the ones without cross bolts through the barrel nut
I thought it was illegal to have full auto in America like this?
Lurk, noguns, lurk
Can you please explain though? Guns aren't allowed in my country
Literally just google it.
Google says that machine guns in america made after the 1980s aren't allowed but that looks like a modern rifle, was it made before then? Sorry I am still new
Private citizen ownership of an MG requires that the gun be manufactured per-1986 and have to go through a lot of paperwork, registration, background checks, and spend a ton of time and money. But it is perfectly legal.
There's also FFL/SOT possession which has more to do with commercial manufacturers/dealers/etc. Those online videos you see of machine guns usually fall under that category. This is also how they can be seen shooting off newer machine guns.
Ah thank you Anon
you can have a m16 lower from 1980 and put all new furniture and upper on it and it will look exactly like a modern AR and be legally full auto
the lower is legally the machine gun, everything you put onto it is just parts
Anon, there's only one (valid) gun law in America
Ok come get them gay lol
>didn't understand the joke
not for FFLs or pre-ban examples for regular people. However, all gun laws are invalid due to the 2nd amendment of the US constitution.
This vid is proof pos that mono rail handguards are shit and should be avoided. I'm glad i never fell for that cool guy equipment trick.
>Shitty civilian Ultra-lite slimline rail falls off
>gas system totally fine and rifle will continue to fire
Delta ring and ris ii chads keep winning.
>Delta ring
>shoot gun till it breaks
>it breaks
Same thing would happen to an ak. Also socom barrel.
>govt profile barrel
>blows right before the gas port
we really didn't deserve stoner
Yep, the useless weight ahead of the gas port leverages the barrel to the point of failure. Have not seen a pencil/lightweight barrel tested the same way, but it should eclipse the Government profile easily
No anon, you're just a fucking moron. The gun is already ruined at the point the barrel is literally drooping from melting. In fact, it was ruined several hundred rounds prior.
>minute of man at 100 yards
Still GTG
>it still can sometimes hit a man sized target at point blank range for a rifle
wow
>point blank range for a rifle
100 yards is actually quite far if you think about it.
>barrel is glowing red hot from being shot nonstop
>this is obviously bad design
the gas tube fails before the barrel does by design. It protects the barrel from a catastrophic failure, which is the much more expensive item to replace.
In this case, both were fucked.
I'm pretty sure the original design had a weaker gas tube that would've failed sooner, ideally before the barrel took so much damage that it started to melt and droop, but I don't remember where I read that so take it with a grain of salt
Yeah
>by design
it was by design a pencil barrel retard. the reply is to a video where the barrel itself blows
pause the webm at 0:09. you can clearly see that it was the gas tube that blew out
>sight radius
Typical ARs and AKs both waste about the same potential sight radius, just on opposite ends.
i don't get it, what's the thing about the forward assist?
Hyper autists insist that it shouldn't be there, is useless, only makes things worse, is extra weight etc.
yeah i know ar autists say it but why is the ak autist saying it?
>TFW you tell and shoe them that the AK charging handle is also a FA
Any gun with a non-reciprocating CH and no way to help the receiver into battery is a shit design.
Hell, even the G36 or the BREN 2 have features that enable you to use the CH to do this in a pinch.
Nothing wrong with the forward assist, unless your BCG doesnt have the serrations. It weighs a few oz and could save your life. Much like a red dot, but with the forward assist, you can charge the rifle.
I don’t hate AR’s but I just would never want to use them for anything else than plinking given that they WILL get you raped in court.
A study was done and you are 65% more likely to be convicted if you use your AR defensively then if you were to use a Mini-14. You are also more likely to be given a lengthier prison sentence. AR-15’s are just too scary for self defensive use.
4/10, more subtlety is required.
Here's a pity (You).
I’m not fucking with you. This was a legitimate study. They also did the same study comparing pump-shotguns vs double barrels and a Glock vs Revolvers and they found that the pump-shotguns and Glocks would end up with the defender being convicted far more often.
Even using attachments resulted in higher conviction rates. A simple flashlight or optic can mean the difference between you being a free man or going to jail for the rest of your life. Choose corrrectly.
I was debating on whether or not to buy a suppressor for my AR-15 because of the cost, but I have decided to purchase it purely out of spite for you. Thank you for making up my mind
Enjoy life in prison Chud (:
Thanks I will
holy hilldawgz cringe bruh
>best girl
>moron Asuka
>Chud Misato
>Hispanic Rei
Lmao i never noticed that
whose gonna take me there?
bro youre rolling up into here and lying thinking we cant tell lmao
Wow neat, this is totally not assorted fuddlore and is totally based on a peer-reviewed study that you… somehow don’t even think is relevant to link. Great!
If Rittenhouse was able to get out on self-defense with a prosecutor that absolutely wanted to fuck him with a rake with how awful the fucking optics were, doesnt that make all of your claims absolute dogshit?
>This was a legitimate study
May I see it?
https://web.archive.org/web/20230603113210/https://www.thejuryexpert.com/2009/09/will-it-hurt-me-in-court-weapons-issues-and-the-fears-of-the-legally-armed-citizen/
Not they guy who started this but real study.
>mini-14
45% conviction rate
>ar-15
65% conviction rate
Lowest sentence given was mini-14 at 2.5 years.
Mean sentence for ar-15 was 5.5 years by male jurors, 8 years by female jurors
I doubt those are all self defense trials
>White moron is a Hispanic lover
Shocking
Interesting interpretation of my post
>mock trials using college students
>told to recommend sentences
Knew something was up, how does anyone believe "black rifle for defense = guarantied conviction" post-Rittenhouse?
The VHS chambered in 7.62 NATO (maybe)
What's the background of the trials used for those conviction rates? What time period was covered? What was the sample size?
>I doubt those are all self defense trials
>What's the background of the trials used for those conviction rates?
They literally weren't even real trials. Just mock trials using college students as the "jury".
They were told to recommend sentences for the defender given a guilty verdict.
Which doesn't happen if you're not a total retard.
(Sometimes it doesn't happen even if you're a total based retard, like the old fuck in Cali who basically hunted down and executed a preggo woman burglar who was begging for her life after she and her BF jumped him and broke his collarbone, and bragged about it publicly, got rest his bones.)
So no, you won't get convicted if you magdump a suppressed AR-15 into a home invader while wearing nothing but your plate carrier, helmet and PVS-14, and sport a raging boner, as long as you stick to the law.
So
, being a disingenuous moron, tried to pull a fast one.
Oh so I'll just let myself get killed then, and downgrade to lower quality firearms. Thanks for the advice Rabbi!
>sight radius
skill issue
>magazine release
skill issue
>safety
non issue
>icepicking
ammo selection skill issue
>dust cover
>using the inferior gnomish dust cover optics mount
>bolt hold open
skill issue
But the forward assist of useful though.
I've gotten 2 failures to feed for far in the year and about 2000 rounds of my ar-15s life and both times I hit my forward assist which corrected the problem instantly.
Forward assist helped Kyle Rittenhouse maim a garden gnome after killing two others. Great feature, imo.
I own 13 AKs and I know ARs are better
>source: I actually shoot my guns
Nu ak guys get mad when you tell them that because they're fat Reddit spergs
Its simple really. AK lacks a LRBHO which makes it quantifiably worse than AR-15. Im biased to 7.62x39 because I have a 20.4" Type 81, but i still know 5.56 is a better generalist cartridge.
>sight radius
Is the same length as a M16, just positioned forwards, which is superior for combat shooting.
>magazine release
Ambidextrous out the box, easy to use and intuitive. Provides excellent and positive lockup, while the AR15 mag release is right hand only, and has such shitty lockup that I was standard practice to download magazines 1 or 2 rounds so magazines wouldn't fall out on a closed bolt.
>safety
Gross mechanical action, easy with gloves and very resistant to fouling/ice.
>dust cover
Has absolutely no sighting mechanism. And scope mounts exist for a reason, they hold fucking zero when taken on and off, and modern ones can put anything you want on them.
>bolt hold open
Can be easily added by magazines, and also aids training time by only having one reloading technique.
>easily added by magazines
it doesn't count if it closes when you remove the magazine, you really don't understand the purpose of the LRBHO
>same sight radius
M16 had a longer sight radius back when everyone used iron sights, but now it barely matters for western countries since everyone and their mum has an optic on their shorter carbines.
>bolt hold open mags
Barely manufactured and you still have to rack the bolt normally since it shoots forward when you replace the mag anyway.
>muh ice/frost
Never a factor unless you store your rifle in a frozen lake.
>shorter training time for one type of reload
Lol fuck off.
>debunks half your own post
Ok....
>ease of training and reliability don't matter
Wow you're fucking dumb.
It takes 60 seconds to teach duty loading and combat reloading of an AR. Your favorite gun is an outdated design, deal with it.
I have more money in my ARs than you do in your entire gun collection.
ARs are trash
>16" carbine
>no verification of any sort
bro
Thats very clearly a 14.5" if you cant identify a 14.5 vs a 16 than you clearly dont know your ARs
ah, see, there's your problem
you've gone with too short of a barrel for your AR-15 which is why you think it's trash
get a 20" pencil barrel and come back to me
The only issue with your assumption is that this is my only AR. I have 6 20" AR15s as 20" is the only barrel a 5.56 should be shot out of. The 20s are still trash.
The 14.5 was literally built as a trash shooter. The AR15 platform is just trash. No other way around it.
Picrel. Only way to make an AR15 not completely worthless.
that is the ugliest gun I have ever seen Jesus Christ
Function > Form
>has at least 8 guns he thinks are trash
the mind of a consoomer everyone
Oh no how dare someone make sound finacial investments and have guns he can loan to friends without worrying about them. What a terrible concept.
>makes up all this cope for why he doesn't just buy guns he likes
ahahahahahahaha
>Implying I dont own every gun Ive ever wanted
Come back when you actually own a gun.
LOLOLOL bro trying to flex when he literally hates what he owns what a fag
Who said I hate the AR?
You clearly are a two digit IQ retard. I said they are trash. Tons of guns are better than the AR. Thats a fact. I very much enjoy the ARs I own but they are simply out performed by so many guns. The historical significance alone makes them worth owning and no gun collection is complete without them. Hell if you can only own 3 guns, an AR10/15, Glock and Shotgun are what you should own. Doesnt mean they are good guns, just they are the most common and easiest to find parts. Plus everyone knows how to operate them making them and their ammo easy to find literallly anywhere in the US.
I love my Tec 9, but that doesnt mean its a good gun. The Tec9 infact is also a TRASH gun. Things a pile of junk. But still so much fun. Maybe you should shoot more than your AR and Glock and maybe youll gain some perspective on what a good gun is.
>it's trash
>but you should own one anyways if you can pick any 3 guns in the world but only those 3
I do not understand
he's shitposting like
said, wouldn't be surprised if this is that
>civilians get no use out of optics
gay with the ratty microdot berettas from a couple days ago
I know he's b8posting at this point, I just want to see what retard word pretzel he spits out
>Doesnt mean they are good guns, just they are the most common and easiest to find parts.
>You clearly are a two digit IQ retard.
See above.
if there's truly a better gun why not use it and stock up on spare parts
Well, the best gun ever made is SVD after all, and those are really expensive. No availability != that its not bad
That poor 601 lower holy fuck
there are so many questions, and so many I do not want the answer to
>govt barrel on a1 receiver
suffering
>receiver manafacturing qc intolerences, muzzle devices etc. are more likely to induce failures
Correct
>make a gun so easy to modify and build at home that everyone and their dog does so, and every buttfuck manufacturer starts making parts for it
>some people inevitably make shit parts and/or build shit rifles
>"Haha see, the rifle sucks, checkmate atheist."
The short bolt stroke causes this problem inherently on the AR. It is very easy to over or undergas it.
At least they dont explode in the fucking looney tunes manner that ak's regularly do you fucking gay. And if youre not an idiot you can fix them with hand tools unlike an ak that needs a 20 ton press and all kinds of jigs just to be taken apart and put back together. Eh fuck you that alone can be extrapolated to define why the guns differ.
This
I mean shit you can assemble an AR15 with ghetto hand tools and a clamp-on vise. I've built (albeit, not great) rifles in a dorm bed in my youth using nothing but a punch, a hammer, a cheap torque wrench, an armorers wrench, and creative use of carpentry clamps. Any fucking ape with a workbench and halfway decent tools can make a quality rifle at home or work in 30 minutes after watching a YouTube video. Any other build I've done on guns such as my Beretta AR70/90, CETME-L, FAL, and AKs all required proper shop equipment if not specialist equipment and jigs and took FAR longer to complete.
Ok so then what should I get instead that's around the same price-point?
Unironically it beats out all competition in every price range under 1000.
I think so too but I want to see if anybody can come up with a contender
RDB, T91, Nu-Galil, BRN-180, CZ Bren 2, RA XCR-L, G36, ARX100, MCX (later models), SG550, VZ58
Now which of those can be acquired in decent condition for less than 1k USD, you illiterate queer.
>awful overall ergonomics for left handers
Fuck 'em.
>The AR-15 may be sensitive to fine sand.
We've had decades worth of experience fighting in The Sandbox to indicate otherwise.
>The AR-15 is ugly
IT IS NOT SHUT UP YOU COMMIE
Ok commie-hater, hate this?
>lust-provoking image
Man commies must really suck at comebacks
Holy fucking shit I NEED svd to step on my face.
b*sed..
>awful overall ergonomics for left handers
It’s one of the friendliest rifles out there for us devilspawns
Ambi controls do not count chud.
I don't use ambi controls. Zero issues.
What are the pros and cons of being left-handed in day to day life?
I was forced to learn to write with my right so I can do both now, that’s pretty cool if I break an arm. And I used to fence and it’s allegedly an advantage there. That’s all I can think of.
Which hand do you jack off with?
Both but if I had to guess the right a little more
Thanks for the info Anon I find this kind of weird obscure shit really interesting
No problem
Whack. I used to fence as well and was just thinking about you goddamn lefties. Always hated bouting lefties, you guys always had the advantage
None
t. Leftie
Even the absolute highest-quality and most refined AK can barely hold against a mediocre AR.
t. owns a Colt Sporter and a Valmet
>and a Valmet
I love it when they name anime characters after firearms
Nu-Colt is a fucking dumpster fire.
>takedown lug holes machined off-center, upper sits on lower with a noticeable slant
>mismatched anodizing on upper/lower
>weird ass combination of markings laser engraved into the already finished receiver
>white paint used to highlight the top 1913 slots spilled out all over the place
My first AR was a euro frankengun and second was a CMMG bargain bin special and both were leagues above this piece of shit I bought to make a GWOT clone.
So i've heard. Mine is from 1993, so i don't have those issues. I've been looking into buying an older LE6920 (or it's upper) for a while, the cutoff date i like to set for production is the year Colt lost the M4 contract for good.
My other Colt is from the 60s kek
>look up the SN
>'no known examples'
100% from an "aid package" to some "friendly" country.
Aren't you that wop who keeps posting his neutered M16?
No?
These things aren't exactly rare in yurop.
Damn, are these problems really that common? My recent production Czolt is pretty much flawless but I've heard a lot about the absolute state of the company.
>RDB
Decent but unsuitable for field conditions and should not be considered a direct analogue to the AR-15
>T91
Still an AR-15 at the end of the day
>ARX 100
No longer obtainable for under $1000
>BRN-180
Requires an AR lower and combined cost will exceed $1000
>Nu-Galil, CZ Bren 2, RA XCR-L, G36, MCX (later models), SG550, VZ58
All of those exceed $1000.
They're all nice rifles that could potentially be better but they simply cannot compete with a budget AR's bang for its buck, especially when it'll have most or all of the same features you want.
Perhaps things would be different if not for import/export bans and gun control but this is just the reality in the current market.
AK autists exaggerate this flaw among others in defense of their objectively inferior rifle.
which one is the flaw? having one? not having one?
Having one. The general consensus among AR guys is that it doesn't matter or that it is a flaw for a number of reasons, though that's not to say there's not a few proponents.
but the ak has a built in forward assist called a reciprocating charging handle
I wouldn't call it a flaw, but if you're shooting in spec ammo and it doesn't cycle, forcing a ram
round into the chamber could cause an issue. I've only ever touched mine using dogshit ammo like silver bear. Otherwise, the action should have more than enough momentum to cycle.
it does prove useful during a press check.
K&M M17S.
Oops, its 1800 msrp. Uh, Sig 556 used.
>highest-quality and most refined AK
>Valmet
Cost != quality
playing devils advocate is good, i think. the AR-15 is pretty good, but it's not perfect yet. switching to a gas piston was 1 step in the right direction. moving the spring into the handguard, as in the mcx and lr300, was another positive improvement. all it needs now is a fully ambidextrous design (ejection port).
okay here's how I'll fix your rifle:
1. move back to internal pistol/DI as Stoner intended
2. go back to the traditional spring/buffer system because rifle is fine
3. brass deflector and ambi selector switch
if you're really hard up you can use one of those PDQ levers, they work alright but it's not really necessary
with no buffer tube to get in the way what stock would you use ?
neat innit
>handguard walks right off the rifle while firing in the field.
nothing personal kid
M4 collapsing, obviously
Gas piston is a meme.
Feeding problems of the AR-15 are in different areas, piston would solve nothing of that.
AR-15 design weak points:
1. Early and fast bolt unlocking.
2. Small bolt overtravel leaving little time for magazine to feed round.
3. High angle of round feeding.
4. Weak magazine lock via small single flimsy notch, leads to magazine flexing during action.
Piston would do nothing here. But things above are too diffecult to comprehend for miwdwits, all they can do is to repeat
>muh piston!
>literally every military
>adopts piston gun
Uhhhhh
>forgets the fucktarded charging handle channel that can cause a horrible malfunction (brass over bolt)
>forgets the shitty extractor/ejector that kills itself over time
>the STUPID HUGE bolt carrier
>and awful overall ergonomics for left handers.
lefty here.
standard AR controls are all easy to reach, you roll the safety on and off with the side of your palm, and you drop the magazine with your right thumb, which is usually in the neighborhood of the magwell anyway when you are swapping mags.
bolt release and charging handle are both better for lefties than they are for gays.
Chud, ambi charging handles do not count. Try locking the bolt open with a standard one latch handle as a lefty
PDQ lever
alternatively, I hold the gun at the pistol grip with my left hand and pull the charging handle with my right hand
I activate the bolt hold open with my left index finger
Which hand do you jerk off with?
Oddly enough, my right hand. I'm not sure why.
Why would I ever use an ambi charging handle? Only righties need that because the latch is on the left side.
L a s t
R o u n d
B o l t
H o l d
O p e n
Yes and? Mine has one too.
> The AR-15 has an unintuitive charging handle for right handers
Only good point here. The T charging handle does suck compared to a side charger. However,
you will thankfully rarely use it due to the bolt hold open.
I highly doubt it will ever save your life, but it is nice for press checks and quietly lowering the bolt. It’s not a huge deal either way.
I see black Christmas trees
Barbed wire
Funeral homes
I see your face
Forest fires
Rats in the street
Gnawing at your bones
Cause I'm...
Inside my brain
I'm looking out yeah
Inside my brain
But there's a hole in my head
Inside my brain
A brand new world there yeah
Inside my brain
Brain
Brain
>words words words I'm too retarded to put together and maintain a proper rifle
yeah
fuck ya mudda
cope, seethe, etc.
>ugh charging handle BAD!
good thing you rarely use it because of the last-round bolt hold-open
>I don’t own an AR
Lol every time.
Yep, theyre prohibited here. This is my rifle
>a fucking leaf
Cope and seethe thirdie. Theres a reason the AR plaform is used by every developed nation.
>US
>Canada
>New Zealand
>Netherlands
Totally everyone.
you're missing quite a few
Everyone else uses a AR18 system. Cope.
Correct, every first world country uses a combination of AR15s and AR18s. That's a solid argument for eugene stoner being the best weapons designer that ever lived. I have no strong preference between the two, and both outclass eastern bloc poverty shit very easily
>a company (at most) of soldiers use the AR15/M16/M4
>vs
>the literal service rifles of said nations
HOLY COPE.
non poor countries use AR15 and AR18 derived systems. simple as
>rifle so shit it takes heaps of money to fix
That isn't a good thing.
>thinks that's long enough for muscle memory
You don't shoot.
>remember to safe rifle after firing komrade)
>u run out of boolit komrade, better reload)
>oops u rocked in mag wrong, try again))
>did you not remember to unsafe rifle to charge weapon?~~*
meanwhile in the much inferior AR-land
>mag runs dry
>replace mag
>press button
AKopers on permanent suicide watch
>mag runs dry
>small button press
>put mag in exactly
>small button
Fine vs gross mechanical action, slingshot instead of slide stop.
so shit it takes heaps of money to fix
$400 PSA quit yer bitchin
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/09/21/who-uses-the-m16-m4-ar-15-c7-c8/
god i love this country
You forgot every country that received m16 as aid, which is like half the world
radius
>is the same length
No, on a 16" akm its the same as a carbine length gas AR like M4
>awful overall ergonomics for left handers.
skill issue. If the military can teach literal retards how to use an M4 to a lefty without ambi controls, there's no excuse.
plus
>lefty
your parents failed you
>Forward Assist
>FA
>F orward
>A
>S sist
>FAS
>ARtards confirmed for having been drunk in the womb
Every problem you listed is solved by just not being a retard and a fag.
OP here. I would like to mention two more weaknesses of the AR-15 that I forgot.
1. The brass over bolt malf. In reality this will likely never happen to you as it is exceedingly rare, however, it is a catastrophic malfunction akin to something like getting cases in your AK trigger group. The brass over bolt malf will require you do know what the fuck you're doing to clear it, otherwise you may worsen the jam.
2. The bolt hold open lever. I have seen this fail sometimes. You press it on an open bolt, and it fails to go into battery, stopping halfway. This is when there is a 30 round mag loaded. I don't know the cause of this failure. It is somewhat minor but annoying nonetheless, AR owners please tell me if this has happened to you. I feel like it is worthy to be concerned about, and I truly believe that the for the standard AR manual of arms should just use the charging handle for reloading.
All this is why the SKS is a superior rifle if you just want to knock her up and drive to the next state after.
shut the fuck up fanda
>The brass over bolt malf. In reality this will likely never happen to you as it is exceedingly rare, however, it is a catastrophic malfunction akin to something like getting cases in your AK trigger group. The brass over bolt malf will require you do know what the fuck you're doing to clear it, otherwise you may worsen the jam.
you literally just press your thumb or a stick against the bolt face god damn
>The bolt hold open lever. I have seen this fail sometimes. You press it on an open bolt, and it fails to go into battery, stopping halfway. This is when there is a 30 round mag loaded. I don't know the cause of this failure. It is somewhat minor but annoying nonetheless, AR owners please tell me if this has happened to you. I feel like it is worthy to be concerned about, and I truly believe that the for the standard AR manual of arms should just use the charging handle for reloading.
never even heard of this, skill issue 2 b h
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I know this guy is a retard but here it is supposedly
I see. Doesn't seem like much of an issue.
>The brass over bolt malf
AK-ites also can do this and it's an absolute bitch to clear. If you've never had to clear a Vepr by ripping off the dust cover to extract rounds wedged in the recoil spring...
Also VZ58 is the superior open-top rifle.
>The brass over bolt malf will require you do know what the fuck you're doing to clear it, otherwise you may worsen the jam.
the same is true of any malfunction on any rifle.
clearing it is simple
>drop magazine
>mortar the fuck out of the rifle
>reinsert magazine
literally just learn SPORTS and you can clear any potential malfunction short of your rifle blowing up
You are a pedophile
You're a fucking retard.
Add hominem.
ah yeah good point I should call him a homo.
You're a fucking retarded gay.
>You know those AR builders who sell completed uppers online? I bet one of those guys is a chud.
rent. free.
imagine being noguns and hating AR's but loving AUG's
AK's are for morons, commies, and terrorists.
If you're any of these, just KYS
>morons
Won against Rhodesia.
>commies
Won against South Veitnam.
>terrorists
Won against America.
Looks like AK's are based.
ARs are literally trash produced by systemic capitalism. It is designed to break as much as possible and sell more junk to tack onto it.
anon calm down youll just trigger the poors even more than they already are right now with the multiple aug / scar hate threads
OP couldnt be more wrong
>Picrel explains
Y'all bros giving an attention-starved b8poster exactly what he wants.
Some call it the ar15
I call it the gay-r 15
Name one way how M16 is better than FNC.
not eurotrash
henlo no guns
u stinky noguns
go eat a dik you nogunz fagt
Eat shit, left handed FREAK. The brits had the right idea with the L85 to filter your kind
>The AR-15 has an unintuitive charging handle for right handers
stopped reading there, already knew the rest would be brownoid screeching slide-thread filler
If reaching up with your left hand, pinching with your thumb and forefinger or turning your left palm up and sliding it along the top rail, and pulling towards your shoulder is too much for your wrinkleless brain, you are a genetic failure.
>t. doesn't own an AR
What is a superior firearm to the AR-15?
SVD.
SMD
Ridiculous ignorant idiot. What are you a time traveler from 2012? Fucking buffoon. Filthy 14. Fbi called it best home defense weapon during the obama years. Your opinion is filthy shit like your mothers holes. 3/10 i replied.
Alright let's look at this nogunz ass post with problems circa 2004.
>charging handle & lefties
Ambi charging handles have existed for ages now, it's placement seldom causes problems.
>Optimal cleaning every 1000 rounds
Same as every autoloading firearm, but it isn't necessary and there are plenty of people even on this board who have gone countless thousands of rounds without basic cleaning and never had a malfunction.
>barrel lengths/gas port incompatibilities
No shit, not every part is a 1:1. What other contemporaries have easily accessible, affordable, and potentially modular barrel setups? From the 60s - 80s of the initial teething phase of the AR15 you had the Steyr AUG. Nowadays there are more options but they're hardly better. You don't think those "contemporaries" don't have to do engineering changes when developing new barrel and gas system lengths either?
>chud
The fuck does this insane argument even come from? chuds are a rounding error percentage of the population, if you're obsessing over the potential of a chud touching your gun - just assemble your own.
>Sand
20+ years of desert use disagrees. Also dust cover lol.
>cartridge
>don't own an AR
There is it. New loadings for 5.56 since GWOT have increased efficacy of 5.56, and that's a cartridge issue not a rifle one.
>random schizo babble about being a slut
Go outside, not everything is about sex, degeneracy, or chuds.
>some stocks incompatible
Then buy one that works?
>Gas leaking when suppressed
An issue mitigated through modern charging handle designs such as the gas buster and adjustable gas systems. People have been using suppressed ARs in professional settings for 30 years now, they work, problems have been mitigated or solved. You ever use a suppressed AK? It isn't pleasant either.
But the AR-15 CAN'T be a faultless rifle... Right?
The buffer tube and the buffer tube extension on the lower can be an issue if you're really hamfisted with it. It takes a bit of doing.
Anyhow-
Usually the buffer tube will snap off, and you can just unscrew the broken off bit and install a new one with no issues.
Why are anti-AR fags always the ones who write leftist meme tier posts about why the AR sucks despite most of the world using them or some derivative now?
>4 nations
>most
Lol, lamo.
did you miss this post?
>again
Special forces or "security forces" don't count you stupid gays, cope and seethe.
Special forces are the only ones who matter for a lot of countries as they're the ones doing actual work even in peacetime.
>a few dozen people use a rifle
>it's a service rifle
The only reason "special forces" use the M4 is because the US virtually gives them away. Any nation able either buys the HK416 or another design.
What do you think the HK416 is a derivative of then? Who were the people who designed it and what were their backgrounds prior to working on the design phase of the HK416?
>the HK416 is a AR15 derivative
No. It's a AR18 piston retrofit.
>how much the M16 sucks
The fucking Taiwanese ditched the M16 for their own design, when someone has to refit your shit TWICE to unfuck it so it doesn't kill the shooter by not fucking shooting means your design is shit.
An AR18 piston retrofit on a gun that is otherwise an AR15, with the same style bolt carrier group, lower receiver, buffer, and parts compatability of the AR15. You're being a disingenuous gay if you're trying to seriously argue the HK416 is not a derivative of the AR15 in any way and is magically its own bubble of a gun despite the massive influence which American engineers and advisors had during the design phase of the gun.
>nooo it's the same gun despite having virtually no parts commonality!
Fuck off, I'm done here.
>no parts commonality
what?
you can literally slap a 416 upper onto a ar15 lower
DERIVATIVE is the word, you just fucking said it takes an AR18 piston retrofit. They didn't make the 416 in a bubble and magically come to the same style and design of the critical components barring the changes to the gas system in a vacuum you sped. Piston AR15 derivatives are still under the umbrella as being AR15s, nobody except pedantic retards is going to argue that a PWS, Caracal, or POF guns magically lose their design basis the moment they slap a new gas system into the gun.
>no parts commonality
416 was designed to be a retrofit to existing M4/M16 lowers and even when building your own 416 there are so many parts which require minimal modification from the original AR15 design that entire businesses have sprung up from taking existing AR parts and allowing them to be used as replacements in 416s.
>they're AR15's
No. Proprietary parts and patents state otherwise. Cope.
>proprietary parts
Colt has proprietary parts and patents, as does Geissele, Daniel Defense, Noveske, Q, PWS, Rock River Arms, the list goes on. That doesn't mean these guns magically cease being derived from the AR15 you gormless cocksleeve.
>interchangeable
Shut up.
An SR15 bolt isn't going to work in a standard barrel, that doesn't magically make the SR15 cease to be an AR15 and/or derivative.
>debunks his own post
I.... I don't even..
The only deviations from Mil Spec I know of for Colt involved their attempts to mollify the ATF, by having slightly different pin diameters for the lower, and a bolt carrier that lacked the trip for the auto sear.
Oh and that sear block. That was it. Their mil spec stuff should be interchangeable with any other mil spec manufacturer, unless it was changed very recently.
>having virtually no parts commonality!
Whaa? have you even handed the two platforms you're talking about?
No, he clearly hadn't and is just some dumb fucking noguns or Dunning-Kruger mongoloid contrarian.
>provides no evidence
>nooooooo
Shut up.
That's up where with the guy I encountered at the range who tried to tell me that uppers on AR15's were not interchangeable between the same lower, and had to be "headspaced and gunsmith fitted".
the taiwanese fucked it up with the piston
their flat-top upper is retro-cool and I want one NO I WON'T BUY THAT OVERPRICED SURPLUS FORM HKPARTS
You mean the OG T65? Yeah shame it's so rare. And the OG type 95 is pretty sweet.
any gun that isn't an ar18 or ar15 derivative is just a ak or ak derivative
>M1A and mini 14
Nope. You forgot Cetme pattern rifles.
roller "delayed" guns aren't real, they don't exist, you can't fool me
no i didn't i've built them
there are roller ARs btw, do those count in this number
that's a fuck ton of ar15 and ar18 derivatives damn
Roll(?)
heres the waifu version
I wanna breed with FAMAS
Sir, I was content without the Chinesium gynoid and suspect a T-Doll would disregard its security directive on a whim or just shoot me in the back. An M16A1 without sentience can never betray me
What if the gun girl physically *couldnt* do against her owners will? Thats the plot of upotte
>gun girl
JFC, they've been getting anthro'd since long before our birth: https://youtu.be/kaIU0nCxwGg?t=1148
>AR15 derived
>only 5
Oooooooooooooooooof
that's because the rifle is already perfect
>imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
>nobody copies you
There's a reason why the AR18 has won.
(it's folding stocks)
what in the everloving fuck is a pindad SS2
Indonesian FNC
i wish there was a gif or webm showing the difference in an animation. all i know is roller lock for cetme and direct impignment for ar15 while the rest is to my knowledge all just rotating bolt with a gas stroke. oh and direct blowback for the famas
Get out of my thread fgt. Its not just 4 nations who use the AR-15... In fact a large percentage of a world, like a lot of third world countries, use the AR-15. Dont forget the literal hundreds of US bases around the world
To demonstrate my post: Uzbekistan, a doubly landlocked nation that is far from western influence, a country which most Americans cant point to on a map, still has experience with AR-15s. They participate in exercises with Turkey who has their AR clone, and the US used to have a military base there until 2005 or something. Where they also got experience with ARs. The only reason they arent using them is because of the massive stockpile of AK-74s, and once they all wear out, they will be adopting AR-15s.
>they practice with a clone made by someone else who doesn't issue it to their troops
>therefore they use it as a service rifle
This level of cope is truly awe inspiring to behold.
Thats not the point. Im saying the influence of the AR-15 is visible in every part of the world, even the part LEAST likely to see any ARs. Picture a Phillipino mall cop with a whitened colt 601.
I won't challenge that, that's undeniable. But AK's are even more common than that.
Pretty much. The advent of Globohomo has killed firearm design.
>I won't challenge that, that's undeniable. But AK's are even more common than that.
yeah i don't know about that, the US alone has 400 million registered guns, not even counting how many unregistered AR15s there are which is a massive number
out of those 400 million most are ARs and glocks
that's simply what's owned by civilians, nothing to do with canada's guns which are also mostly ARs, also in civilian hands not counting military weapons
imagine how many ARs there are if you count military weapons not just civilian
>AR15's
Estimated 40-60 million.
>AK's
100+ million.
>ar15s
which ones?
>AR15's
All of them.
what are they?
all of "them"?
what is them
describe what models, derivatives, barrel lengths etc are counted in this estimate
>literally all of then
What part don't you understand?
can you cite this and break it down for me
>barrel lengths make them not AR15's
Wut
yeah, is the m16 an ar15 or not?
where did you get this statistic
Yes
moron there is probably north of 60,000,000 Ars just in American hands. The amount of AR-15 type weapons in foreign hands and our own military is a ton
>The AR-15 has an unintuitive charging handle
Must be tragic to live as someone who can't charge something that is operated by tens of thousands of 80 IQ people a year.
honest question. is the ar18 or the hk roller lock system a better general platform than either ar15 or ak?
no they're the same within a few points of who gives a fuck
>blah blah blah
>dust covers
>charging handle
>blah blah blah
AK look cool and soul
AR nu-male and gay.
>ak good
>ar bad numale gay
>posts tranime
what a train wreck of a post, you will never be the little girl
>tranime
anime website
yeah but that doesn't change the facts
been here longer than you btw
>he thinks i care about who he is or how long hes been here
ANONYMOUS ANIME WEBSITE
you fucking people never seem to get the whole anonymous part
you are fat gay and retarded
>is arguing like a little girl
shit you might mentally be the little girl, but you wont physically
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yeah, that's typically where he ak fans hang out, what about it?
wake n bake my fellow ak enjoyers, how deep are your bakey boys stacked on this wonderful day? :O
Hey guys op here. We made it to bump limit. Thanks for the thread guys.
lol go back
What? Since when was the bump limit not 300
I don't keep up with the bump limit changes on all boards
what even is PrepHole's bump limit
>unintuitive charging handle
I'm going to unironically agree. the charging handle is utterly ass at everything except keeping the receiver sealed from mud. everything else sucks. it provides poor purchase for manhandling the bolt, God forbid you have to mortar the gun.
I've been more of an AK guy for years, mostly because I'm a poorfag and way back when AKs were cheap and ARs were pricey. Now that that has changed, I'm getting into ARs. Here's my takeaways since making the switch.
>Charging handle is awkward
I feel like I'm drawing a bow. I think I will probably get a side-charging upper at some point
>Mag release is different
I really miss my paddle, and there's just something so satisfying about rock-and-lock.
>Bolt hold-open.
Objectively an improvement, but I like cocking my gun more often honestly.
>Balance seems weird
With a such a light receiver, the AR just seems so front-heavy, especially with a 20-inch barrel or quad rail.
Overall, the AR is probably the better weapon, but AKs will always hold a special place in my heart.
Die, garbage thread, die.
>300 blk ar
>3d printed lower with grid defense upper.
>hasn't jammed ever
>super accurate
is the ar platform just this good? or am i doing something right that every one else is doing wrong?