>tfw "22 Short Blackout" shits all over 22LR standard velocity

>tfw "22 Short Blackout" shits all over 22LR standard velocity
Why don't we just make this the new standard loading? We'd just need to speed the twist up.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why don't we just make this the new standard loading?
    money

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Pistols are usually subsonic with 40gr HV stuff anyway so don't see why you'd need this unless your goal is to make the projectile tumble on purpose

      >40gr HV

      Cool, give me money to rebarrel my 22s, OP.

      >We'd just need to speed the twist up.
      Just change the barrel on every .22 ever made and still in working condition. Including antiques and other legacy firearms.

      Genius. Don't know why no other moron has ever entertained the thought.

      At this point in the game? You can't redefine what .22 lr is. You run into the same (well, similar) issue as when the .22 WMR was developed. They made compromises to cash in on the .22 reputation, but then it became incompatible with .22. Which, frankly, was a shit decision. If they wanted .22, they should have just made it fricking .22. If they thought morons would stick .22 mag into .22 lr weapons and frick them up, they should have gone with .23 mag. rimfire.

      And, that's probably what should happen here. Instead of introducing more complexity and confusion as to which round does or doesn't work in .22 whatever, just develop a modern rimfire in .21 or .23 (hey, how about .25?) in a rimless rimfire that can be digested by semi-autos and wheelguns & levergats. Create a standard for short, lr, and mag that can all be digested interchangeably so it covers the range from subsonic under 1050/1025 fps through 2000 or 2500 fps. Get your twist rates tweaked for maximum stability for the range of bullet lengths that run from about 28 grains through 65 grains.

      Now you can fire a .25 short 35 grain at subsonic, or a mag at nearly 3000 fps, or a regular lr with a 55 grain bullet at subsonic, or 32 grain at whatever it works out to in short, lr, or mag loading.

      You want to piss on .25? Fine. Go wit .20, or .23, or anything that isn't .22. Changing the rim to "rimless" or "very nearly rimless" so it can accommodate magazines means no moron can ever stuff one into a .22 of any flavor ... and have a legal leg to stand on for lawsuits. Because, I'm sure some frickwit will do it somehow anyway.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You're acting like having hundreds of commonly available loadings to choose from is a bad thing.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          wat?
          I said exactly the opposite of that. Reading comprehension much? The idea is that one gun "just handles" .23, no matter its flavor or loading. The thread topic is about needing (at least) three different .22 guns to handle all the flavors of .22.

          OP literally ... LITERALLY ... proposed that a new flavor of .22 somethingoranother now require a rifling twist that has been almost never available before ... so all the "new new .22" performs like rotting dog anus in any gun that doesn't have the "perfect twist" to handle it. So that someone could buy a $10 box of ammo, his proposal is that the entire world throw away all the existing .22s and buy new ones, or retrofit every existing .22 in the world, at a cost of billions of dollars.

          Frick that. That is monumentally moronic and isn't going to happen. Let .22 be .22 and stop trying to make a "new" .22 that's incompatible.

          What I suggested is stop calling it .22 and leave .22 alone. Come up with a new spec that is universal for the entire variety of cartridge lengths and loads. Spec it at .217 or .227 or whatever, just don't try to pretend that it's .22 anymore. Set the spec so that no gun may be produced in the chambering that can't handle the maximum magnum P+ loads, but they handle every load less than that all the way down to subsonics & squibs.

          One gun, you get everything. You can pick up any box of .208 'rimless' and any gun chambered for .208 rimless will safely shoot it with high accuracy and precision.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It isn't a new flavor of anything. You can shoot it out of .22LR guns already. OP just said it is better than the other .22 loadings so asked why barrels aren't standardized around it. We don't need a hundred different .22+/-n chamberings. If something doesn't work for your gun, don't use it.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              You're too stupid to have a conversation with. 'bye

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You're literally proposing an entirely new caliber for no reason. .22LR is fine, OP can just use a barrel with a faster twist rate. Or not. He can shoot it out of whatever, even a 5.56 conversion. Go make your .208 'rimless' and see how successful it is.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              > If something doesn't work for your gun, don't use it.

              This is the beauty of .22LR. There is a lot of choice out there, and very little of it is absurdly expensive.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >They made compromises to cash in on the .22 reputation, but then it became incompatible with .22.
        That's not what happened though. It was Winchester trying to improve their .22 WRF that had fallen out of favor due to .22lr loaded with smokeless powder being able to do anything the .22 WRF could do. You can shoot .22 WRF out of a gun chambered in .22 magnum and factories were able to reuse a lot of their .22 WRF tooling for loading .22 magnum, it's just that .22 WRF has been a dead cartridge for most of a century now.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How does it work in pistols?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Pistols are usually subsonic with 40gr HV stuff anyway so don't see why you'd need this unless your goal is to make the projectile tumble on purpose

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Mine runs em just fine. Like said they might even be preferred for self defense because they will definitely tumble or keyhole from a 1/16 twist

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Never had issues with them in mine.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >modify the rifling twist
    >for ammo where no SAAMI spec exists and only one manufacturer makes it
    It's in the same boat right now that those 1 3/4" 12 gauge mini shells were in prior to September 2019 when they finally got an official SAAMI spec.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >When they officially
      Never heard of that, are we going to see guns chambered just for those?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/09/19/saami-standardizes-12-gauge-1-3-4-mini-shells/
        Probably not any time soon, as shotgun ammo is going to take longer for supply to stabilize than other calibers. Federal is the company that pushed for SAAMI standardization, and they were reporting that shotgun shells were still receiving more orders than they could fill after demand for other ammo started to drop off. Kel Tec or some other company producing a new MAG-7 like gun would definitely be neat.

        The bigger part of an official SAAMI spec being published though is that other companies can start making the ammo to the exact same standard rather than each coming up with their own, making it reasonable for gun manufacturers to make current guns work well with it. Without an official SAAMI spec, it's possible that modifications to make a gun work well with one manufacturer's ammo won't work well with another manufacturer's ammo.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Right, it removes a ton of risk for the general population, which in turn juices demand all around, which makes things cheaper and increases variety, which then juices demand. For handload stuff people want to frick around with whatever, but standardization is pretty critical to mass adoption let alone making something a "standard loading".

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Too bad it's still specced at blackpowder pressures

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Why? IIRC, you really can't drive shotgun shot at much over 1400 FPS without starting to make it pattern like shit, and that's achievable at current pressures.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              It's not about velocity, it's about making the shell smaller

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                They don't need higher pressures to make the shell smaller though.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If you make the space for powder smaller, the pressures get higher. Boyle's Law. There's no way around that.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Am I moronic or would a MAG-7 be easy to produce at large scale? Looks like a barrel nut, stamped sheetmetal receiver, metal stamped cover, plastic (?) grip...only thing to frick up is the mag. Frick, imagine MAG-7 flats/kits.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Cool, give me money to rebarrel my 22s, OP.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why don't we just make this the new standard loading?
    you need to make it a standard at all first you fricking moron. dont think itd work with copper either.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >We'd just need to speed the twist up.
    Just change the barrel on every .22 ever made and still in working condition. Including antiques and other legacy firearms.

    Genius. Don't know why no other moron has ever entertained the thought.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Just change the barrel on every .22 ever made and still in working condition. Including antiques and other legacy firearms.
      >Genius. Don't know why no other moron has ever entertained the thought.
      Honestly this is STILL less moronic then that homosexual last year who kept spamming /k/ with 22lr being obsolete just because and how it should be switched to center fire because "reloading will be cheaper xd". Frick was that guy moronic.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This is like the 1000000th time you've made this thread and you get BTFO every time. Just stop

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just wanted to take the opportunity to once again point out that there's plenty of factory subsonic .25 ACP with more energy than Aguila SSS. And it doesn't require a new barrel.

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