You don't seem to have a problem getting ass fricked by a bunch of brown muzzies on the world stage with your mine shaft of an butthole you've got there.
So, how many of your low IQ inbred family got turned into stinky, pink mist for you to spam mudshit shitskins killing minimal US soldiers every day for years? Can you get anymore pathetic?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>low IQ inbred family got turned into stinky, pink mist >shitskins killing minimal US soldiers every day for years? >The US liberal is getting angry
Not that anon but LOL, you seem angry. Your invasion failed in Afghanistan and now you're going to reap the whirlwind in the next few decades from our emigration and you physically can't do anything to stop it. Your great grandchildren will be praising Allah in our mosques as you spin in your grave. Wa alaykumus salam wa rahmatullah.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>invasion failed
The invasion was concluded 2 months after the initial invasion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Afghanistan
If you're able to topple the government and start to build a nation, then the invasion has been concluded and will start a nation building/COIN effort.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Your puppet government failed and you replaced the Taliban with the Taliban. Fantastic work. How much did that cost you in funds and lives?
You certainly angered the majority of Muslims, even some stateside. What is more hilarious is that your government is willing to open your borders to allow more of us to literally walk in freely without documentation. That's ironically how my second uncle went to the states last year and now he's on welfare WHILE having a job LOL! AND he has a state funded housing for free LOL! Definitely the land of opportunity! Honestly I hope you guys keep doing what you're doing because my tribe is definitely enjoying the benefits.
1 year ago
Anonymous
But the goal in the invasion of Afghanistan wasn't to replace the government, at least initially. It was to find al-Qaeda and to remove their ability in making terrorists attacks on American soil. We killed osama a decade later and there hasn't been any terrorists attacks against america from them on American soil. But it cost America less lives than you think since its about as many people that died in big cities.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>But the goal in the invasion of Afghanistan wasn't to replace the government, at least initially.
Still failed miserably. >It was to find al-Qaeda and to remove their ability in making terrorists attacks on American soil. We killed osama a decade later
And spawned ISIS in his wake. Nice job.
>and there hasn't been any terrorists attacks against america from them on American soil.
Now instead of terrorist attacks you have uncontrollable shootings in children's schools, rampant unruliness tainting your women, and your men are slicing their penises off in the name of cross dressing.
You americans need Allah's light that is Islam more than you realize. You're a cancerous beast that needs to be tamed.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>And spawned ISIS in his wake
moron alert
1 year ago
Anonymous
What is the word for one who rises to power for you americans? Osama's death only pushed ISIS into power and popularity and spread its influence across Africa.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Cute headcanon, but ISIS rose to power due to the power vacuum left in Iraq after Obama's troop withdrawal for the sake of bumping his poll numbers, not Osama being killed you dumb Black person.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>for the sake of bumping his poll numbers
The American people wanted out of Iraq since like 2004. It was one of the campaign promises he was elected on.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Now instead of terrorist attacks you have uncontrollable shootings in children's schools, rampant unruliness tainting your women, and your men are slicing their penises off in the name of cross dressing.
Well... he aint wrong...
1 year ago
Anonymous
Afghanistan wasn't the result of ISIS. The rise of ISIS has to do with both iraq and syria, but nothing to do with Afghanistan.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>you replaced the Taliban with the Taliban
Old Taliban hosted AQ.
New Taliban is at war with new AQ.
Not at all a straight replacement.
New Taliban is reducing terrorism, more or less.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>New Taliban is at war with new AQ.
They're not. The Taliban is fractured and made up of different elements and members with different ideals. It's why the leader of AQ was killed in his high rise in Kabul.
Someone like that doesn't go unnoticed, he still have connections in the Taliban.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>New Taliban is reducing terrorism, more or less. >Source: Trust me bro, they said so
The new Taliban is too busy selling all the produce from those opium farms the US helped establish. They could give less of a frick.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The new Taliban is too busy selling all the produce from those opium farms
the taliban recently banned opium
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes so they can have the sole monopoly on it. Rules for the plebs not for them
1 year ago
Anonymous
They banned the consumption of it, not the export.
Again they're making money and don't give a frick about what terrorists do or plan to do to the western countries.
1 year ago
Anonymous
yet another reason the drug war is fricking moronic - mexican poppy production overtaking stupid ass fricking shitslamists
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Proven wrong, starts getting angry and throws a b***h fit over nothing.
Is this what nu-/k/ is now?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>please feel the need to fit in I want you to
projection
1 year ago
Anonymous
>mexican opium production ~70 tonnes per annum >afghanistan opium production ~7000 tonnes per annum
1 year ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/BTSOiCd.png
They banned the consumption of it, not the export.
Again they're making money and don't give a frick about what terrorists do or plan to do to the western countries.
Most of the opium ends up in Europe, so they give a shit about poisoning non-muslim. Also the Taliban took a 20 percent cut. The opium market was 2010 around 1 billion dollar.
Taliban is slowly realizing the reason why we were there for so long in the first place. If they want to deal with it themselves, then they chose that path.
>Taliban is slowly realizing the reason why we were there for so long in the first place.
I thought it was because they outlawed growing opium poppies and the CIA was going to lose out on shitloads of money they use to fund deniable ops.
Common misconception, the Taliban are fine with poppy production and have been for decades, same with fricking little boys in some mountain shithole. They realized what makes money and what keeps creepy old geezer warlords easy to work with
ISIS is utilizing the same tactic that the taliban did, which is target officers and top officials while also using Pakistan as a safe hub to transport weapons and troops. Basically, it will screw over the taliban if they don't do something about it.
According to the US inspector general office, ISIS terror attacks are up 90% from last quarter. Which, I'd hesitate to say is CIA because ISIS was an issue when nato was still in town.
They can cause problems and thats about it. ISKP has about 5000 fighters compared to Talibans 200,000. The main point though is that ISKP doesn't enjoy popular support. Nothing ISKP can do will ever compare to what the US did on an average day in Afghanistan. This is like a trip to six flags compared to the last 40 years in Afghanistan.
Depends, because Pakistan already starting to worry since they said the conflict with IS-K and the taliban is somehow destabilizing Pakistan too. ISIS already started to use Pakistan as a hub for weapons and troops.
TTP (Tehrik e Taliban Pakistan) and the Afghan Taliban are two entirely different entities. ISKP and TTP are buddy buddy because they are both Salafists while Taliban are Deobandi.
Overall? A pain in the ass, but not a real threat. ISIS has no public support outside of dissaffected city youth, whom are too small a population to truly threaten the Taliban's grip. The odd terrorist bombing or assassination is basically the most ISIS can actually do in Afghanistan.
Nope, Sunni and Shia are traditional muslims who fight over whether or not Mohammed declared a successor before his death or not. The Islam that ISIS follow is a modern hybrid of Salafi/Wahhabi Islam that resembles an extremist Amish kind of culture with all of the isolation, perks of hardcore Islamic oppression, and being granted a straight passage to paradise if you kill heretical types.
Wahhabi Islam is more of a cult like the Mason Family than religious Islam at this point.
that's actually cope. salafi islam is what real, true arab original islam looks like. course it's not pretty but then again muhammad wasn't a great guy.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Salafism is OG Islam
Not really. But believe what you want to.
1 year ago
Anonymous
let me guess browncel, who really really wants an islam which is just some "white people bad" shit that still lets him go on PrepHole and watch porn and play video games still?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Some SEA countries are like that, downside is you are living in the SEA
>No, Taliban is a federation of tribes that are Sunni, the moderate'ish form of Islam, most ISIS are Shia decapitator freaks that blow themselves up.
Isis are fundie sunni that kills tons of shia because they are apostates. Thats why Israel and USA supported the Islamic State against Iran and Hezbollah. The Taliban are not really sunni, they are some kind of mountain hippie muslims that belive in spirits n sheeit, forgot what their branch of islam is called. Anyway, they are apostates, so they get to be bombed, Uncle Shamuel pays for the explosives.
>moderate islam
doesn't exist. Even if only 1% heed the Quran that blatently states everyone non islamic should be violently killed that is over 19 million fricking people.
Lol no. ISIS are Sunni fanatics, albeit with many characteristics of an even more fanatical sect, the Kharjiites, a very early sect which was somewhat proto-democratic but also with a penchant for calling other muslims infidels and for revolting against the government time and time again, because only Allah is their master. There's a reason Iran and Hezbollah (Shia fundamentalists both) sent shitloads of militias to Syria and Iraq, because they are a minority in the Muslim world, just like the Alawites that Assad belong to. Sunni dominance, especially in the form of ISIS, means Shias go the way of the dodo. Imagine if Catholics and Protestants still strove to kill each other at the drop of a hat as if it was still 1610, that's the Islamic world.
The thing with the Taliban is that while they are religious traditionalists and Sunni fundamentalists, they are equally Pashtun nationalists. ISIS recognize no nationalism, Islam comes before absolutely everything, hence they think of the Taliban as infidels to be converted or killed.
ISIS is Sunni, specifically a more extreme form of wahabism, which is why the Saudis kept supporting them for a while, as they themselves are wahabists, until it became clear that the Saidis were not fundamentalist enough for IS and were next on the chopping block after Iraq and Syria.
It's also why they had so much success in Iraq at first, as the Sunni minority which had been favoured by Saddam had been shit on by the Shias installed by clappers, so they initially saw IS as Sunni liberators until they realized what a bunch of nutjobs they were.
The Taliban arguably got ideologically diluted over the past 20 years because due to the influx of recruits who joined purely out of hatred of the United States rather than the radical Sunni Pashtun nationalism that the organization was originally founded on. It's more of a big tent "AMERICANS GET THE FRICK OUT REEEEEEEE" camp now than it is "PASTHUN THEOCRACY NOW REEEEEEE" camp.
Would this dilution explain the semi-autonomy of their Pakistani brethren, or does the broader Taliban have some ancient beef with the Pakis that they set aside as long as we were in Afghanistan?
Pakistan has a large Pashtun minority in the west along the Afghani border that could be cause for a Taliban landgrab. As well as other tribal minority areas. The CCP is also buddying up to the Taliban while being Pakistan's only real friendly neighbor, with a harbour on the tiny Pakistani coast, very close to a lot of tribal territories. So basically Pakistan has to keep being useful to the Chinese or potentially risk the Chinese siding with various tribal minorities in Pakistan if they prove more convincing of keeping the road to the port safe and useful.
Yes
Afghanistan actually tried to invade the tribal belt twice.
Both times they were fricked till they begged for peace.
Afghan leaders have this fetishe with Pashtunistan.
Uniting all pushtun under a single entity. But moronic forget the fact that their country also has a large population of Tajik, Uzbek, Farsi etc.
This is one of the reasons why Afghanistan never became a stable c**t. It continued to play with the idea of pushtun supremecy.
So if Pashtuns aren't he majority in Pakistan, who is?
Yes
Afghanistan actually tried to invade the tribal belt twice.
Both times they were fricked till they begged for peace.
Afghan leaders have this fetishe with Pashtunistan.
Uniting all pushtun under a single entity. But moronic forget the fact that their country also has a large population of Tajik, Uzbek, Farsi etc.
This is one of the reasons why Afghanistan never became a stable c**t. It continued to play with the idea of pushtun supremecy.
>"So it turns out that the Kaaba is actually a pretty decent AFV if you spray paint it beige. Totally not what we expected but thanks anyways to our Saudi benefactors for leasing it to us."
The Taliban were weird even by islamist standards iirc correctly, their ideology kinda centered around the Pashtun ethnic group which made it incompatible for any general pan-muslim group.
it's actually the opposite, their ideologies are like 99% incompatible
Talibans are an ethnoreligious group, much like israelites, they don't believe in race mixing and murdering innocents out of spite, they were born where they spent their entire lives and where they will die, they have an extremely tribalistic structure that incoporates elements of the Pashtun culture (Pashtunwali), they only target the military and civilian casualties are just collateral damage and they only resort to suicide bombings under extreme circumstances and outlaw it as soon as they deem it unnecessary.
ISIS is a group that originated in Iraq among Arab Sunni tribes after the power vacuum of Saddam being removed from power. Sunni tribes went from being the powerful minority in power governing the Shia majority to the persecuted minority under ruthless Shia rule overnight so the secular sunni officers of the Iraqi army went full Fundamentalist. But hear me out, that was just the beginning, then the different Western intelligence agencies saw the opportunity of using them as geopolitical chaos agents so they channeled tons of weapons and intel and money and used double agents to twist religious teachings as a way to destabilize Syria, Libya and pretty much all Arab states but then they lost control of that frankenstein monster they created.
ISIS doesn't care at all about race mixing and doesn't care about murdering innocents, they boast about killing innocents while Talibans deny they killed any innocent (unless it was collateral damage much like the West).
>and used double agents to twist religious teachings
Islam is perfectly capable of being violent without needing a secret white boogeyman making them do it.
>inb4 Taliban are truly the CIA plants and ISIS are the islamic ex-CIA freedom fighters painted as extremists through a intricate and deep propaganda campaign devised by Hollywood under the supervision of the CIA.
>Why would isis and the taliban even have beef? Aren’t their ideologies like 99% compatible?
All abrahomoism eventually degrades into secterism, and an apostate is worse than an infidel because the latter might be a potential convert or ally but the former has already chosen sides and rejected you for something similar. Its like protestants and catholics fighting over the immaculate conception in the thirthy years war, both are christians and that is precisely why they hate each other.
>Why would isis and the taliban even have beef?
Same reason why the Afghan taliban are still fighting the Pakistani taliban. There are 3 different taliban groups and they all hate each other. It's less about religion and more about who controls what and how much money they can get. The Afghan taliban is now fighting an insurgency made up of IS-KP and the former Afghan Republic. Most of IS-KP is made up of former Afghan taliban who hate their leadership for taking credit for "beating America".
ISIS K are literally CIA glowie financed group to destabilize the region, whilst the Talis are just sunni teochraticgays who want to be left alone and do their thing in their own country
>ISIS K are literally CIA glowie financed group to destabilize the region, whilst the Talis are just sunni teochraticgays who want to be left alone and do their thing in their own country
Literally the view of a 70 IQ moron, read a book homie
Finally! I roll my eyes at the Afghan girls still studying law or even bullshit 'humanities' when they should be studying Organics Chemistry, or the housewife's guide to what cleaners you shouldn't mix IF you don't want chlorine gas (ammonia and bleach).
Honestly we made a really bad mistake about that in about 2017.
We were handing out solar panels to alot of the people to they could have solar power wells to get drinking water.
Suddenly instead of drinking water went full bore to grow opium or sometimes food everywhere.
By the time we left they sapping like 10 ft off the water table a year despite all efforts to stop them, insanely huge disaster before with diesel pumps it was harder for them to steal ground water to farm so worst case was like a 1-2 foot loss a year but with solar they could do it anywhere and without buying fuel so cheaply as well.
https://www.fairplanet.org/story/dry-wells-portents-of-a-looming-water-disaster-in-afghanistan/
https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/79-households-in-afghanistan-suffer-water-shortage-shows-survey-122121200188_1.html
Apprently since we left it finally hit critical levels faster than we anticapated.
Again sorry we did this we were only trying to help we didnt expect everyone to be morons and farm with those solar well kits we were only trying to give clean water to villagers.
Also they are lying it was becuase of the droughts the aquafier are purely getting raped by those solar well kits we gave out.
We specfically told them that it was for drinking water only but they ignored us.
Ultimatly this was our fault we gave tech to people who were incapable of handling it.
>Again sorry we did this we were only trying to help we didnt expect everyone to be morons and farm with those solar well kits we were only trying to give clean water to villagers.
Yes, who could have possibly predicted a tragedy of the commons... Seriously now.
>Ultimatly this was our fault we gave tech to people who were incapable of handling it.
And that's why there is such a thing as the Prime Directive, and that's why ayyy lmaos are leaving us alone. Any species/group that can not survive on its own should be left to die out on its own.
Yeah it was one of the myrid of issues we had.
Annoyingly the taliban was preventing us from trying to tamp down on it and used our attempts to control it as propganda to rally people aginst us.
It was one of the several factor leading us to abandon the country, We tried to force ghani to make a powersharing agreement with the taliban so we could try to resolve these issues as well but he refused assuming we would infintely save them from the taliban.
We then tried to cut a deal with the taliban in 2020 for them to take over but have some international oversight as we found the ANA goverment too corrupt to deal with and incapable of resolving any issues but they just wanted us gone.
When I flew out of there I remember laughing about how the dont relize how fricked everything actually is.
The taliban were actually a very small factor in us leaving and it was more.
1. This place ungoverable every village is an island with no loyalty. Addtionally they culture is extremely nomadic so the concept of showing up on time or staying at a job is alien. They would just move on randomly one day. The idea of nationhood does not exsist.
2. Everything is so corrupt that the goverment doesn't actually do anything but steal pissing off every village.
3. Population doubled because we fed them and far outpaced local food production.
4. Water table was fricked due to population explosion and everyone trying to farm.
5. Corruption and infighting was so high its impossible to set up any economy capable sustaining this place. Also nomadic nature prevents sustianed or skilled labor and industrization.
For several years it became increasingly apprently that they would never been anything but a failed state and would never become a stable ally.
Wasn't the whole reason Al-Qaeda was there in the first place was because it was a wasteland where with some money and guns you could pretty much do what you wanted?
1 year ago
Anonymous
No, it was the call for Jihad against the Soviets that brought Islamic fighters, they grew into AQ later, they were largely Saudi so got along with the Taliban who were "educated" in Salafi madrasas.
Plus they had Saudi money of course.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Al-Qeada was kind of welcomed by the Talibans because they both fought against the Soviets in the past so they were okay guys, what could go wrong anyway lol? They sure as hell didn't expect them to bring Uncle Sam on their heads with the 9/11 stunt. They weren't happy about that to say the least, but couldn't kick Bin Laden out because that would have made them look terrible (and weak).
With hindsight, they probably would tell Al-Qaeda to frick off and avoid the ruinous war+insurgency.
Oh final factor big factor that no one wants to talk about.
Afganistan was basically a NATO live fire exercise ground where the losses were extremely low to the experiance of real world operations.
It also allowed nato allies to learn to cope with logistics issue running fobs doing patrols ect they would never have an actual experiance with in europe.
Also allowed doctrine and tech refinement for our euro allies who would never see actual combat.
Taliban did more to advance US weapons tech but giving us a determined smart enemy to discover and patch up weaknesses.
But as combat started to cease towards the end it wasnt even worth that becuase almost nothing ever happened.
Is the afghani subsurface water entirely fossil water or does it get replenished? I mean, its so high and dry that there cant be much if any rainfall there.
It does get replinished some but we had alot of issues.
In Kabul for example all the pavement prevented water from seeping down refilling the water table.
Addtionally the Aquafiers in Kandahar and Helmend had issues that as the drained water the ground would collpase in the aquifier permantly reducing max capacity of it refilling from snow melt.
The US is actually assisting them now
Yeah we didnt actually leave on worst terms, like I stated before we were trying to make deals with them to remove or powershare with the ANA as the Ghani adminstration had gotten so bad.
We assisted them in removing ISIS with airsupport several times in 2020.
We aren't friends either but we do mutual exchanges. Half the shit we do is more carrot and the stick kind of shit.
Frankly we still operate the same now in afganistan as we did before the withdrawal.
We just changed what base we launch the drones from.
how likely do you think the PRC will move in to secure One Belt, One Road, and have a monopoly on their lithium mines?
Would a Xinjiang style approach be effective there? or is it just not developed enough?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Lol
I will give you a secret about afghanistan's "1 trillion dollars" worth of material
Its not your traditional i dig get rock or ore type mines they have those for gemstones and do rather fine with it.
Its your extremely expensive rare earth and element refinement type.
I'm talking having to consume and boil off 500,000 gallons of water for one ton of lithium.
Rare earth shit is worse with really toxic acids rare earth elements are ever present in all soil but you basically have to render tons of dirt contaminated and lifeless for every lb of rare earths.
China is just the only one willing to ruin thier land permently so we buy from them.
That isnt even going into the faility cost and setup and logistics into the whole thing.
>1. This place ungoverable every village is an island with no loyalty. Addtionally they culture is extremely nomadic so the concept of showing up on time or staying at a job is alien. They would just move on randomly one day. The idea of nationhood does not exsist.
this might be a moronic idea but I always wondered why the US didn't focus on building up Kabul only as a kind of westernised modern city state, and build that sense of nationhood outwards
then if the villagers truly still don't give a frick like you say you it's a bit more manageable trying to rebuild a city than a whole country
We did try I dont think you understand the levels of gayness and corruption.
Also the villages dont exactly have power, tv, radios ect.
Funny side note afghanis are so gay it actually fricked up some of the "globohomo" we did with womens rights.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/10/28/bacha-bazi-an-afghan-tragedy/
They are literally so gay if fricked up our attempts of womens rights. >A second corrupting, and perhaps surprising, consequence of bacha bazi is its negative impact on women’s rights in Afghanistan. It has become a commonly accepted notion among Afghanistan’s latent homosexual male population that “women are for children, and boys are for pleasure.” Passed down through many generations and spurred by the vicious cycle created by the pedophile-victim relationship, many Afghan men have lost their attraction towards the opposite gender.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The taliban were at least harsh on homosexual pedophilia and would hang those people.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Only when they were trying to take control of an area and get the locals on side. When they were in charge, turns out teaboys weren't quite as haram as they thought.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I hope Afghanistan stays a shithole til I can make a trip out there for the famous tea. most are kinda ugly but they have some that would make any moralgay stop for a second before their programming takes over
Is the afghani subsurface water entirely fossil water or does it get replenished? I mean, its so high and dry that there cant be much if any rainfall there.
bullfrickingshit you handed out enough to make a dent in the water table unless you literally gave every village a fricking midsized city's worth of municipal infrastructure.
Pretty much every humanitrian group admits the solar water pumps killed the water tables.
https://www.unhcr.org/news/stories/2022/1/61dc16194/displaced-afghan-families-return-destruction-hunger-helmand.html
https://www.solidarites.org/en/countries/afghanistan/afghanistan-solar-powered-pumps-sustainable-access-drinking-water/
https://www.freethink.com/hard-tech/afghan-farmers-solar-panels-opium
https://pajhwok.com/2022/06/20/use-of-solar-power-wells-for-agriculture-sparks-concerns/
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53450688
https://scitechdaily.com/global-danger-sinking-water-tables-worldwide/
1 year ago
Anonymous
>humanitrian group
Opinion discarded.
1 year ago
Anonymous
meds
1 year ago
Anonymous
If you had sources that were un-apolagetically pro-American talking about it, I'd believe you, but humanitarians have so discredited themselves with their pissing and moaning about every little thing the US has done in the last 80 years that I have little reason to believe this is anything other than more histrionics over nothing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No we helped the NGOs give them out acting as protection detail and as liaisons with the village elders plus helped with install ect.
We helped them out becuase we thought hey this could help with the thirst problems.
Notice no one is blaming the US in the article its all. It's just said group lamennting how thier efforts went terriblely wrong and blaming the farmers for using it like morons.
it's almost like illiterate goat frickers are incapable of running a country, especially if that country is populated exclusively by illiterate goat frickers.
>u.s. armed forces loses
They didn't? They were pretty successful until they pulled out. Even when we had a few thousand troops left, they did pretty well in propping up until they were told to stop supporting.
The only way to win the game is to not play. The US failed to understand this, and lost. Now China is top dog. They run the Middle East now. It's over.
IS-K is made up of many groups >former taliban >former ANA >other islamists
There's also another insurgent group too, but they are less known than ISIS at the current moment. But they still conduct insurgencies and made up of afghan republic loyalists and mujahedeen groups.
>foreign powers always fail in Afghanistan >Taliban cooperates with a foreign power
Taliban first, THEN China. Watch ISIS come into power a decade or so from now, cooperate with some outside power, then get overthrown by "Aisha's Bulls of the Caliphate" or something.
If their great track record in South Sudan is anything to go by, it's gonna go like this: >Enter Afghanistan with all the flashiness of a CCP propaganda movie >Taliban kinda waits, doesn't engage immediately >PLA sets up camp >Taliban launches a few mortar shells >PLA straight up routs across the border >Taliban moves in, gathers all the stuff left behind, rapes a few locals and aid workers while they're at it >CCP announces a swift and glorious end to the mission, so efficient they finished in record time, way ahead of the USSR and USA >Everyone gets a medal >Anyone who brings it up a few months later gets put in a camp >Taliban just left mildly confused at what the frick just happened
>1. This place ungoverable every village is an island with no loyalty. Addtionally they culture is extremely nomadic so the concept of showing up on time or staying at a job is alien. They would just move on randomly one day. The idea of nationhood does not exsist.
this might be a moronic idea but I always wondered why the US didn't focus on building up Kabul only as a kind of westernised modern city state, and build that sense of nationhood outwards
then if the villagers truly still don't give a frick like you say you it's a bit more manageable trying to rebuild a city than a whole country
Yeah it was one of the myrid of issues we had.
Annoyingly the taliban was preventing us from trying to tamp down on it and used our attempts to control it as propganda to rally people aginst us.
It was one of the several factor leading us to abandon the country, We tried to force ghani to make a powersharing agreement with the taliban so we could try to resolve these issues as well but he refused assuming we would infintely save them from the taliban.
We then tried to cut a deal with the taliban in 2020 for them to take over but have some international oversight as we found the ANA goverment too corrupt to deal with and incapable of resolving any issues but they just wanted us gone.
When I flew out of there I remember laughing about how the dont relize how fricked everything actually is.
The taliban were actually a very small factor in us leaving and it was more.
1. This place ungoverable every village is an island with no loyalty. Addtionally they culture is extremely nomadic so the concept of showing up on time or staying at a job is alien. They would just move on randomly one day. The idea of nationhood does not exsist.
2. Everything is so corrupt that the goverment doesn't actually do anything but steal pissing off every village.
3. Population doubled because we fed them and far outpaced local food production.
4. Water table was fricked due to population explosion and everyone trying to farm.
5. Corruption and infighting was so high its impossible to set up any economy capable sustaining this place. Also nomadic nature prevents sustianed or skilled labor and industrization.
For several years it became increasingly apprently that they would never been anything but a failed state and would never become a stable ally.
If the Taliban were just pashtun nationalists with an islamist dressing why did they bother harboring a foreign Saudi who had beef with other foreigners, or at least cough him up after the fact
Because they had connections with him. What they should have done was hand over osama and his goons and let the UN inspect the training camps. The taliban genuinely thought the U.S. wouldn't do anything because they already asked for osama before and declined in giving him to them with no repercussion. They made the same mistake that saddam made.
You would think that, perhaps, someone in Taliban leadership might have seen a difference between a terrorist bombing a few embassies and making a frightening but ultimately harmless attempt to car-bomb the World Trade Center and hijacking several planes, crashing two of them into the World Trade Center, eventually collapsing those and killing thousands, crashing a third into the fricking Pentagon, and having the fourth stopped from doing anything worse than killing the occupants by those same occupants.
No, they were moronic to think in the long run on what it would mean in refusing again shortly after an attack on a economic center. The taliban were incredibly short sighted during that time and thought the U.S. was bluffing until they were at their doorstep.
by my white christian god pharoahs i fricking love it. we gave the afghans all the equipment and offered training that they needed to jumpstart a functional nation-state. the gratification of throwing "inshallah they were not destined to have a non-shithole standard of life or allah would have made it happen" back in their weedy bearded faces is so satisfying and almost worth the 2.5 rillion dollars. i hope that whole region gets depopulated from the shortage of everyrhing necessary for life
Apparently their population growth will lead to an eventual famine. Because they grew past their ability to produce food along with not getting U.S. gibs.
You see the americans in thier savagery were not satisfied with merely killing 20 million afghanis in revenge so they embarked in thier evil plan to double the population then hand out well kits to drain and collapse all the aquifiers and cut all outside aid then leave.
Now they can look like they tried to be the good guys create a Malthusian crisis kill over 20 million and pin it on the afghanis for being moronic Truely the most anglo method of revenge.
>Now they can look like they tried to be the good guys create a Malthusian crisis kill over 20 million and pin it on the afghanis for being moronic Truely the most anglo method of revenge.
They have done the same in Iraq, American subsidied food imports have enabled the Iraqis to boost their population from 22 to 40 million. I think the idea was to trap them into being dependent on American food exports or they will starve. Truly a worthy descendant of perfidious Albion.
>functional nation-state. >nation-state
With a myrriad of nations living in its borders and the dominant nation having most of its members in another country? And its borders being drawn as merely a buffer between a couple of empires?
Nah. Either that or you're misusing the term "nation-state"
Because the thread wasn't made with the intention of trolling/baiting or trying to control something. Its not a thread made by that german homosexual that keeps making those threads for the purpose of baiting rather than having a serious discussion.
It's probably because unlike Russia, Islam is an actual threat to the west as it's rooted in every facet of western society and can easily sabotage it if it felt like it wanted to.
And its being used up or captured by other insurgent groups. The ANA, while they were abandoning their equipment, had a consistent supply of new equipment while the taliban do not because the Americans are not giving them aid. The taliban got angry at the U.S. for taking/sabotaging all of their helicopters. So what they have are just captured ANA equipment, which isn't that much.
Afghanistan has multiple ongoing insurgencies that seem to be growing.
It's important to recall that the Taliban never established control over all of Afghanistan prior to 2001 and their rapid advanced in the waks of the US withdrawal seems to have caused them to move into areas they can't effectively hold long term, especially as they use up stockpiles left from the ANA and aid dries up.
There is ISKP and ISPP, as well as non-IS Jihadis who oppose the Taliban. The Taliban won support in the 1990s by appearing as champions against corruption and recalcitrant drug/war lords, but their leadership was killed after 2001 and the "Taliban" today is a Pashto ethnically based force with a history of corruption and involvement in illegal drugs, child prostitution, etc. They will likely face increasing resistance over time as memories of ANA incompetent and recalcitrance are replaced by the reality of Taliban rule.
Aside from Jihadis, the various Islamic State provinces inside Afghanistan and others, there are minority insurgents, Hazara and Tajiks, etc. as well as republican groups.
There was a brief moment where it looked like the Taliban might rule Afghanistan in more than name after the war as they rode high on momentum, but now it looks like insurgency will keep growing and they will have a reduced hold outside their traditional ethnic strongholds.
IDK, China's rivalry with India could play a big role late this century. While China courts Pakistan, who court the Taliban, I could definitely see them pursuing a divide and rule funding strategy to get influence for their expanding infrastructure web encirclement of India. India also plays a role undersold in the West and could act as a source of support for continued resistance, even as the West backs out.
it'll depend what areas they control, they probably know enough to just let some mountain village that barely feeds itself so as they please. There isn't a lot of value in Afghanistan so as long as they control the cities, the mines and the poppy fields they'll be fine and have all the leverage in ongoing negotiations.
Thanks God Karma exist and soon Pakistan will be begging for the return of the old Afghan Government. Nothing see me happier than seeing ISI glowies fail after all those decades
Its also important to note that having many insurgent groups in one country makes it extremely difficult to put it down along with insurgent groups having their own ways of dealing with an insurgency. People may say ISIS is not that big, but ISIS isn't the only one doing the insurgency and they are just contributors to it.
>80 IQ mullahs with absolute power and the education of a 6 year old can't run a country properly or do COIN
wow very surprising
almost like these are the same people that in the 90s made fighter pilots wear full beards only for them to no longer get good seal on their face masks and die from hypoxia
Terrorist organizations (proxy militias) want to move into Afghanistan because it’s traditionally been too weak to stop them doing so. That’s all. The very purpose of the US trying to set up a strong democratic government there was to give Afghanistan the security forces needed to keep terrorists out and stop the country from becoming a haven for bad actors. The new Taliban (Pakistan proxy) have, ironically (or maybe not ironically), been trying to keep other proxies out.
ok
Good for them.
Frick off CIA, you lost
Afghaniland belongs to Pakistan and China now.
ISIS is CIA.
That was my point
Not our problem anymore despite what an embarrassment Saigon 2.0 was.
rent free
Damn right rent free. Whoever didn't find that whole fiasco embarrassing is a troony.
How many of your inbred relatives did we kill for you to STILL be seething like a little girl? Get a life.
You don't seem to have a problem getting ass fricked by a bunch of brown muzzies on the world stage with your mine shaft of an butthole you've got there.
So, how many of your low IQ inbred family got turned into stinky, pink mist for you to spam mudshit shitskins killing minimal US soldiers every day for years? Can you get anymore pathetic?
>low IQ inbred family got turned into stinky, pink mist
>shitskins killing minimal US soldiers every day for years?
>The US liberal is getting angry
Not that anon but LOL, you seem angry. Your invasion failed in Afghanistan and now you're going to reap the whirlwind in the next few decades from our emigration and you physically can't do anything to stop it. Your great grandchildren will be praising Allah in our mosques as you spin in your grave. Wa alaykumus salam wa rahmatullah.
>invasion failed
The invasion was concluded 2 months after the initial invasion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Afghanistan
If you're able to topple the government and start to build a nation, then the invasion has been concluded and will start a nation building/COIN effort.
Your puppet government failed and you replaced the Taliban with the Taliban. Fantastic work. How much did that cost you in funds and lives?
You certainly angered the majority of Muslims, even some stateside. What is more hilarious is that your government is willing to open your borders to allow more of us to literally walk in freely without documentation. That's ironically how my second uncle went to the states last year and now he's on welfare WHILE having a job LOL! AND he has a state funded housing for free LOL! Definitely the land of opportunity! Honestly I hope you guys keep doing what you're doing because my tribe is definitely enjoying the benefits.
But the goal in the invasion of Afghanistan wasn't to replace the government, at least initially. It was to find al-Qaeda and to remove their ability in making terrorists attacks on American soil. We killed osama a decade later and there hasn't been any terrorists attacks against america from them on American soil. But it cost America less lives than you think since its about as many people that died in big cities.
>But the goal in the invasion of Afghanistan wasn't to replace the government, at least initially.
Still failed miserably.
>It was to find al-Qaeda and to remove their ability in making terrorists attacks on American soil. We killed osama a decade later
And spawned ISIS in his wake. Nice job.
>and there hasn't been any terrorists attacks against america from them on American soil.
Now instead of terrorist attacks you have uncontrollable shootings in children's schools, rampant unruliness tainting your women, and your men are slicing their penises off in the name of cross dressing.
You americans need Allah's light that is Islam more than you realize. You're a cancerous beast that needs to be tamed.
>And spawned ISIS in his wake
moron alert
What is the word for one who rises to power for you americans? Osama's death only pushed ISIS into power and popularity and spread its influence across Africa.
Cute headcanon, but ISIS rose to power due to the power vacuum left in Iraq after Obama's troop withdrawal for the sake of bumping his poll numbers, not Osama being killed you dumb Black person.
>for the sake of bumping his poll numbers
The American people wanted out of Iraq since like 2004. It was one of the campaign promises he was elected on.
>Now instead of terrorist attacks you have uncontrollable shootings in children's schools, rampant unruliness tainting your women, and your men are slicing their penises off in the name of cross dressing.
Well... he aint wrong...
Afghanistan wasn't the result of ISIS. The rise of ISIS has to do with both iraq and syria, but nothing to do with Afghanistan.
>you replaced the Taliban with the Taliban
Old Taliban hosted AQ.
New Taliban is at war with new AQ.
Not at all a straight replacement.
New Taliban is reducing terrorism, more or less.
>New Taliban is at war with new AQ.
They're not. The Taliban is fractured and made up of different elements and members with different ideals. It's why the leader of AQ was killed in his high rise in Kabul.
Someone like that doesn't go unnoticed, he still have connections in the Taliban.
>New Taliban is reducing terrorism, more or less.
>Source: Trust me bro, they said so
The new Taliban is too busy selling all the produce from those opium farms the US helped establish. They could give less of a frick.
>The new Taliban is too busy selling all the produce from those opium farms
the taliban recently banned opium
Yes so they can have the sole monopoly on it. Rules for the plebs not for them
They banned the consumption of it, not the export.
Again they're making money and don't give a frick about what terrorists do or plan to do to the western countries.
yet another reason the drug war is fricking moronic - mexican poppy production overtaking stupid ass fricking shitslamists
>Proven wrong, starts getting angry and throws a b***h fit over nothing.
Is this what nu-/k/ is now?
>please feel the need to fit in I want you to
projection
>mexican opium production ~70 tonnes per annum
>afghanistan opium production ~7000 tonnes per annum
Most of the opium ends up in Europe, so they give a shit about poisoning non-muslim. Also the Taliban took a 20 percent cut. The opium market was 2010 around 1 billion dollar.
Sooooooooooo, how many?
>ESL can't into reading comprehension
You have to care to be embarrassed
>You have to be cognizant to be embarrassed
Fify
Kek at that kid's face. Can't say I'd feel differently.
how much of a problem will ISIS be for the Taliban?
Taliban is slowly realizing the reason why we were there for so long in the first place. If they want to deal with it themselves, then they chose that path.
>the reason why we were there for so long in the first place
Because globohomosexual wanted it.
saying 'globohomo' doesn't mean anything anon
Sorry, because Israel wanted it.
You mean the GOP?
They ARE globohomosexual moron. Same thing with libs.
>Afghanistan has been a war torn shithole for millennia
What’s new?
ISIS wasn't there until more than a decade after we came along. Not mention ISKP was assisted by the Afghan Government.
>Taliban is slowly realizing the reason why we were there for so long in the first place.
I thought it was because they outlawed growing opium poppies and the CIA was going to lose out on shitloads of money they use to fund deniable ops.
Common misconception, the Taliban are fine with poppy production and have been for decades, same with fricking little boys in some mountain shithole. They realized what makes money and what keeps creepy old geezer warlords easy to work with
ISIS is utilizing the same tactic that the taliban did, which is target officers and top officials while also using Pakistan as a safe hub to transport weapons and troops. Basically, it will screw over the taliban if they don't do something about it.
Huge considering almost all of IS-KP is former Taliban.
According to the US inspector general office, ISIS terror attacks are up 90% from last quarter. Which, I'd hesitate to say is CIA because ISIS was an issue when nato was still in town.
https://www.dodig.mil/Reports/Lead-Inspector-General-Reports/Article/3129129/lead-inspector-general-for-operation-enduring-sentinel-and-operation-freedoms-s/
NATO was somewhat keeping ISIS down along with cooperating with the taliban against them. Now that they pull out, the taliban is on their own.
Overall terror attacks have increased but overall deaths across the country have dramatically decreased compared to any given year from 2001-2021
They can cause problems and thats about it. ISKP has about 5000 fighters compared to Talibans 200,000. The main point though is that ISKP doesn't enjoy popular support. Nothing ISKP can do will ever compare to what the US did on an average day in Afghanistan. This is like a trip to six flags compared to the last 40 years in Afghanistan.
5,000 people doing an insurgency can cause alot of problems, especially if they target leaders and top officials.
Damage, yes. But without popular support or a massive power vacuum like Iraq or Afghanistan they will never make any headway.
Depends, because Pakistan already starting to worry since they said the conflict with IS-K and the taliban is somehow destabilizing Pakistan too. ISIS already started to use Pakistan as a hub for weapons and troops.
TTP (Tehrik e Taliban Pakistan) and the Afghan Taliban are two entirely different entities. ISKP and TTP are buddy buddy because they are both Salafists while Taliban are Deobandi.
Sandhomie's don't know about the Afghani COINghetti.
Overall? A pain in the ass, but not a real threat. ISIS has no public support outside of dissaffected city youth, whom are too small a population to truly threaten the Taliban's grip. The odd terrorist bombing or assassination is basically the most ISIS can actually do in Afghanistan.
Why would isis and the taliban even have beef? Aren’t their ideologies like 99% compatible?
No, Taliban is a federation of tribes that are Sunni, the moderate'ish form of Islam, most ISIS are Shia decapitator freaks that blow themselves up.
>ISIS
>Shia
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh
Are they not?
ISIS is basically neo-Kharijites (Muslim puritanical crusaders) while the Taliban is your regular Islamic nationalists with Pashtun characteristic
Nope, Sunni and Shia are traditional muslims who fight over whether or not Mohammed declared a successor before his death or not. The Islam that ISIS follow is a modern hybrid of Salafi/Wahhabi Islam that resembles an extremist Amish kind of culture with all of the isolation, perks of hardcore Islamic oppression, and being granted a straight passage to paradise if you kill heretical types.
Wahhabi Islam is more of a cult like the Mason Family than religious Islam at this point.
>Mason Family
You mean Manson Family? Because Freemasons are a thing too, but outside of /x/-tier theories are harmless.
Yup meant to type that by my N key was worn out from typing my favorite word so much that it didn't register.
>Yup meant to type that by my N key was worn out from typing my favorite word so much that it didn't register.
I think I have your old xbox keyboard here.
Did you give lots of advice on what food to take if you have a sore throat?
Chocolate and hot tea.
Anon was wondering about ginger.
Don't take things that are hard to eaat.
Like your wiener?
that's actually cope. salafi islam is what real, true arab original islam looks like. course it's not pretty but then again muhammad wasn't a great guy.
>Salafism is OG Islam
Not really. But believe what you want to.
let me guess browncel, who really really wants an islam which is just some "white people bad" shit that still lets him go on PrepHole and watch porn and play video games still?
Some SEA countries are like that, downside is you are living in the SEA
Okay ahmed
>ISIS
>Shia
Lol. Lmao even. They are Salafists and Wahabists who see Shias as idol worshippers
I think he's trolling
in the 90s moron american boomers thought shia meant "extra muslim".
Well I guess Shia do wear more turbans
lmao I get it, because of iran and hezbollah. that's fricking funny.
>Shia decapitator
You dumbwits, he's saying that ISIS enjoys decapitating Shia Muslim.
Both you and the ESL posters are moronic
neither is sunni
you have no fricking idea whatsoever what you're talking about. don't post again you're bringing disrepute upon this board.
>the moderate'ish form of Islam
moron, theres only 2 moderate muzzie countries and they are turkey-azerbaijan
>No, Taliban is a federation of tribes that are Sunni, the moderate'ish form of Islam, most ISIS are Shia decapitator freaks that blow themselves up.
Isis are fundie sunni that kills tons of shia because they are apostates. Thats why Israel and USA supported the Islamic State against Iran and Hezbollah. The Taliban are not really sunni, they are some kind of mountain hippie muslims that belive in spirits n sheeit, forgot what their branch of islam is called. Anyway, they are apostates, so they get to be bombed, Uncle Shamuel pays for the explosives.
You have to be 18 to post here you god damn new gay
>Sunni, the moderate'ish form of Islam
lol
>moderate islam
doesn't exist. Even if only 1% heed the Quran that blatently states everyone non islamic should be violently killed that is over 19 million fricking people.
Lol no. ISIS are Sunni fanatics, albeit with many characteristics of an even more fanatical sect, the Kharjiites, a very early sect which was somewhat proto-democratic but also with a penchant for calling other muslims infidels and for revolting against the government time and time again, because only Allah is their master. There's a reason Iran and Hezbollah (Shia fundamentalists both) sent shitloads of militias to Syria and Iraq, because they are a minority in the Muslim world, just like the Alawites that Assad belong to. Sunni dominance, especially in the form of ISIS, means Shias go the way of the dodo. Imagine if Catholics and Protestants still strove to kill each other at the drop of a hat as if it was still 1610, that's the Islamic world.
The thing with the Taliban is that while they are religious traditionalists and Sunni fundamentalists, they are equally Pashtun nationalists. ISIS recognize no nationalism, Islam comes before absolutely everything, hence they think of the Taliban as infidels to be converted or killed.
ISIS is Sunni, specifically a more extreme form of wahabism, which is why the Saudis kept supporting them for a while, as they themselves are wahabists, until it became clear that the Saidis were not fundamentalist enough for IS and were next on the chopping block after Iraq and Syria.
It's also why they had so much success in Iraq at first, as the Sunni minority which had been favoured by Saddam had been shit on by the Shias installed by clappers, so they initially saw IS as Sunni liberators until they realized what a bunch of nutjobs they were.
homie you got that completely backwards
Though i wouldn't call shias "moderate" either. They're just the lesser evil
The Taliban arguably got ideologically diluted over the past 20 years because due to the influx of recruits who joined purely out of hatred of the United States rather than the radical Sunni Pashtun nationalism that the organization was originally founded on. It's more of a big tent "AMERICANS GET THE FRICK OUT REEEEEEEE" camp now than it is "PASTHUN THEOCRACY NOW REEEEEEE" camp.
ISIS views them as traitors for this reason.
New BR 11 meta
Would this dilution explain the semi-autonomy of their Pakistani brethren, or does the broader Taliban have some ancient beef with the Pakis that they set aside as long as we were in Afghanistan?
they where never a single organization
Pakistan has a large Pashtun minority in the west along the Afghani border that could be cause for a Taliban landgrab. As well as other tribal minority areas. The CCP is also buddying up to the Taliban while being Pakistan's only real friendly neighbor, with a harbour on the tiny Pakistani coast, very close to a lot of tribal territories. So basically Pakistan has to keep being useful to the Chinese or potentially risk the Chinese siding with various tribal minorities in Pakistan if they prove more convincing of keeping the road to the port safe and useful.
So if Pashtuns aren't he majority in Pakistan, who is?
me
And what are you, anon? Other than an autist, of course.
Yes
Afghanistan actually tried to invade the tribal belt twice.
Both times they were fricked till they begged for peace.
Afghan leaders have this fetishe with Pashtunistan.
Uniting all pushtun under a single entity. But moronic forget the fact that their country also has a large population of Tajik, Uzbek, Farsi etc.
This is one of the reasons why Afghanistan never became a stable c**t. It continued to play with the idea of pushtun supremecy.
This is the same shit that happened with the Mujahideen and is why there was a lot of Ex-Mujahideen fighters going against the Taliban.
>"So it turns out that the Kaaba is actually a pretty decent AFV if you spray paint it beige. Totally not what we expected but thanks anyways to our Saudi benefactors for leasing it to us."
The Taliban were weird even by islamist standards iirc correctly, their ideology kinda centered around the Pashtun ethnic group which made it incompatible for any general pan-muslim group.
why would the Russians and Ukrainians even have beef ? Aren't their ideologies like 99% compatible ?
Ikr????
>he doesn't know about the narcissism of small differences
It's the last 1% that gets you
it's actually the opposite, their ideologies are like 99% incompatible
Talibans are an ethnoreligious group, much like israelites, they don't believe in race mixing and murdering innocents out of spite, they were born where they spent their entire lives and where they will die, they have an extremely tribalistic structure that incoporates elements of the Pashtun culture (Pashtunwali), they only target the military and civilian casualties are just collateral damage and they only resort to suicide bombings under extreme circumstances and outlaw it as soon as they deem it unnecessary.
ISIS is a group that originated in Iraq among Arab Sunni tribes after the power vacuum of Saddam being removed from power. Sunni tribes went from being the powerful minority in power governing the Shia majority to the persecuted minority under ruthless Shia rule overnight so the secular sunni officers of the Iraqi army went full Fundamentalist. But hear me out, that was just the beginning, then the different Western intelligence agencies saw the opportunity of using them as geopolitical chaos agents so they channeled tons of weapons and intel and money and used double agents to twist religious teachings as a way to destabilize Syria, Libya and pretty much all Arab states but then they lost control of that frankenstein monster they created.
ISIS doesn't care at all about race mixing and doesn't care about murdering innocents, they boast about killing innocents while Talibans deny they killed any innocent (unless it was collateral damage much like the West).
t. knower
>then the different Western intelligence agencies
I love how you completely gloss over the Gulf (especially Saudi) - Iran proxy war in the region.
>and used double agents to twist religious teachings
Islam is perfectly capable of being violent without needing a secret white boogeyman making them do it.
Ashkenazis are not White
>they don't believe in race mixing and murdering innocents out of spite,
I thought they were like the israelites?
You miss that ISIS-K are a local copycat of Arab ISIS. Essentially goat frickers who resent the Taliban, often for ethnic reasons.
>ethnoreligious group
>race mixing
Race is not ethnicity
Taliban are Pashtun nationalists.
ISIS are CIA agents.
They're not exactly the same thing, or compatible.
Truth is, Taliban are CIA agents
>inb4 Taliban are truly the CIA plants and ISIS are the islamic ex-CIA freedom fighters painted as extremists through a intricate and deep propaganda campaign devised by Hollywood under the supervision of the CIA.
That'd be some crazy shit.
ISIS won't be happy until all the Shi'ites in Afghanistan are dead. Once that's done, they'd like to export jihad to their neighbors.
Taliban are content with only mild discrimination against Shi'ites and the occasional provocation against Pakistan.
>Why would isis and the taliban even have beef? Aren’t their ideologies like 99% compatible?
All abrahomoism eventually degrades into secterism, and an apostate is worse than an infidel because the latter might be a potential convert or ally but the former has already chosen sides and rejected you for something similar. Its like protestants and catholics fighting over the immaculate conception in the thirthy years war, both are christians and that is precisely why they hate each other.
>Aren’t their ideologies like 99% compatible?
When you only focus on the differences they seem like opposites. Like Democrats and Republicans.
The taliban are a national liberation movement who also happen to be Muslims.
The Da'esh is an international terrorist organisation.
>Aren’t their ideologies like 99% compatible?
Do you know that both Ukraina and Russia are Orthodox Christian?
ISIS is cia funded.
Turkish MIT funded*
>Why would isis and the taliban even have beef?
Same reason why the Afghan taliban are still fighting the Pakistani taliban. There are 3 different taliban groups and they all hate each other. It's less about religion and more about who controls what and how much money they can get. The Afghan taliban is now fighting an insurgency made up of IS-KP and the former Afghan Republic. Most of IS-KP is made up of former Afghan taliban who hate their leadership for taking credit for "beating America".
>Aren’t their ideologies like 99% compatible?
The 1% difference is how they would treat this fine chap. And that makes it all the difference to me.
ISIS K are literally CIA glowie financed group to destabilize the region, whilst the Talis are just sunni teochraticgays who want to be left alone and do their thing in their own country
>ISIS K are literally CIA glowie financed group to destabilize the region, whilst the Talis are just sunni teochraticgays who want to be left alone and do their thing in their own country
Literally the view of a 70 IQ moron, read a book homie
The one thing muslims hate more than non muslims are other muslims who are slightly different to them
Finally! I roll my eyes at the Afghan girls still studying law or even bullshit 'humanities' when they should be studying Organics Chemistry, or the housewife's guide to what cleaners you shouldn't mix IF you don't want chlorine gas (ammonia and bleach).
To stone somebody or not to stone
You either die an hero or live long enough to become le villain.
It's sort of the reverse, you are either defeated as a villain or gain power and have to put down other villains becoming a half-arsed hero.
"let them frick goats!" -t. Marie-Antoinette probably
Honestly we made a really bad mistake about that in about 2017.
We were handing out solar panels to alot of the people to they could have solar power wells to get drinking water.
Suddenly instead of drinking water went full bore to grow opium or sometimes food everywhere.
By the time we left they sapping like 10 ft off the water table a year despite all efforts to stop them, insanely huge disaster before with diesel pumps it was harder for them to steal ground water to farm so worst case was like a 1-2 foot loss a year but with solar they could do it anywhere and without buying fuel so cheaply as well.
https://www.fairplanet.org/story/dry-wells-portents-of-a-looming-water-disaster-in-afghanistan/
https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/79-households-in-afghanistan-suffer-water-shortage-shows-survey-122121200188_1.html
Apprently since we left it finally hit critical levels faster than we anticapated.
Again sorry we did this we were only trying to help we didnt expect everyone to be morons and farm with those solar well kits we were only trying to give clean water to villagers.
Also they are lying it was becuase of the droughts the aquafier are purely getting raped by those solar well kits we gave out.
We specfically told them that it was for drinking water only but they ignored us.
Ultimatly this was our fault we gave tech to people who were incapable of handling it.
>Again sorry we did this we were only trying to help we didnt expect everyone to be morons and farm with those solar well kits we were only trying to give clean water to villagers.
Yes, who could have possibly predicted a tragedy of the commons... Seriously now.
>Ultimatly this was our fault we gave tech to people who were incapable of handling it.
And that's why there is such a thing as the Prime Directive, and that's why ayyy lmaos are leaving us alone. Any species/group that can not survive on its own should be left to die out on its own.
Yeah it was one of the myrid of issues we had.
Annoyingly the taliban was preventing us from trying to tamp down on it and used our attempts to control it as propganda to rally people aginst us.
It was one of the several factor leading us to abandon the country, We tried to force ghani to make a powersharing agreement with the taliban so we could try to resolve these issues as well but he refused assuming we would infintely save them from the taliban.
We then tried to cut a deal with the taliban in 2020 for them to take over but have some international oversight as we found the ANA goverment too corrupt to deal with and incapable of resolving any issues but they just wanted us gone.
When I flew out of there I remember laughing about how the dont relize how fricked everything actually is.
The taliban were actually a very small factor in us leaving and it was more.
1. This place ungoverable every village is an island with no loyalty. Addtionally they culture is extremely nomadic so the concept of showing up on time or staying at a job is alien. They would just move on randomly one day. The idea of nationhood does not exsist.
2. Everything is so corrupt that the goverment doesn't actually do anything but steal pissing off every village.
3. Population doubled because we fed them and far outpaced local food production.
4. Water table was fricked due to population explosion and everyone trying to farm.
5. Corruption and infighting was so high its impossible to set up any economy capable sustaining this place. Also nomadic nature prevents sustianed or skilled labor and industrization.
For several years it became increasingly apprently that they would never been anything but a failed state and would never become a stable ally.
Wasn't the whole reason Al-Qaeda was there in the first place was because it was a wasteland where with some money and guns you could pretty much do what you wanted?
No, it was the call for Jihad against the Soviets that brought Islamic fighters, they grew into AQ later, they were largely Saudi so got along with the Taliban who were "educated" in Salafi madrasas.
Plus they had Saudi money of course.
Al-Qeada was kind of welcomed by the Talibans because they both fought against the Soviets in the past so they were okay guys, what could go wrong anyway lol? They sure as hell didn't expect them to bring Uncle Sam on their heads with the 9/11 stunt. They weren't happy about that to say the least, but couldn't kick Bin Laden out because that would have made them look terrible (and weak).
With hindsight, they probably would tell Al-Qaeda to frick off and avoid the ruinous war+insurgency.
Oh final factor big factor that no one wants to talk about.
Afganistan was basically a NATO live fire exercise ground where the losses were extremely low to the experiance of real world operations.
It also allowed nato allies to learn to cope with logistics issue running fobs doing patrols ect they would never have an actual experiance with in europe.
Also allowed doctrine and tech refinement for our euro allies who would never see actual combat.
Taliban did more to advance US weapons tech but giving us a determined smart enemy to discover and patch up weaknesses.
But as combat started to cease towards the end it wasnt even worth that becuase almost nothing ever happened.
It does get replinished some but we had alot of issues.
In Kabul for example all the pavement prevented water from seeping down refilling the water table.
Addtionally the Aquafiers in Kandahar and Helmend had issues that as the drained water the ground would collpase in the aquifier permantly reducing max capacity of it refilling from snow melt.
Yeah we didnt actually leave on worst terms, like I stated before we were trying to make deals with them to remove or powershare with the ANA as the Ghani adminstration had gotten so bad.
We assisted them in removing ISIS with airsupport several times in 2020.
We aren't friends either but we do mutual exchanges. Half the shit we do is more carrot and the stick kind of shit.
Frankly we still operate the same now in afganistan as we did before the withdrawal.
We just changed what base we launch the drones from.
https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/ayman-al-zawahiris-killing-and-the-us-over-the-horizon/
how likely do you think the PRC will move in to secure One Belt, One Road, and have a monopoly on their lithium mines?
Would a Xinjiang style approach be effective there? or is it just not developed enough?
Lol
I will give you a secret about afghanistan's "1 trillion dollars" worth of material
Its not your traditional i dig get rock or ore type mines they have those for gemstones and do rather fine with it.
Its your extremely expensive rare earth and element refinement type.
I'm talking having to consume and boil off 500,000 gallons of water for one ton of lithium.
Rare earth shit is worse with really toxic acids rare earth elements are ever present in all soil but you basically have to render tons of dirt contaminated and lifeless for every lb of rare earths.
China is just the only one willing to ruin thier land permently so we buy from them.
That isnt even going into the faility cost and setup and logistics into the whole thing.
We did try I dont think you understand the levels of gayness and corruption.
Also the villages dont exactly have power, tv, radios ect.
Funny side note afghanis are so gay it actually fricked up some of the "globohomo" we did with womens rights.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/10/28/bacha-bazi-an-afghan-tragedy/
They are literally so gay if fricked up our attempts of womens rights.
>A second corrupting, and perhaps surprising, consequence of bacha bazi is its negative impact on women’s rights in Afghanistan. It has become a commonly accepted notion among Afghanistan’s latent homosexual male population that “women are for children, and boys are for pleasure.” Passed down through many generations and spurred by the vicious cycle created by the pedophile-victim relationship, many Afghan men have lost their attraction towards the opposite gender.
The taliban were at least harsh on homosexual pedophilia and would hang those people.
Only when they were trying to take control of an area and get the locals on side. When they were in charge, turns out teaboys weren't quite as haram as they thought.
I hope Afghanistan stays a shithole til I can make a trip out there for the famous tea. most are kinda ugly but they have some that would make any moralgay stop for a second before their programming takes over
Is the afghani subsurface water entirely fossil water or does it get replenished? I mean, its so high and dry that there cant be much if any rainfall there.
bullfrickingshit you handed out enough to make a dent in the water table unless you literally gave every village a fricking midsized city's worth of municipal infrastructure.
Ironically they had the same thought when we warned them, and yet here we are.
calling bullshit on an anon for some dumb story he made up?
Pretty much every humanitrian group admits the solar water pumps killed the water tables.
https://www.unhcr.org/news/stories/2022/1/61dc16194/displaced-afghan-families-return-destruction-hunger-helmand.html
https://www.solidarites.org/en/countries/afghanistan/afghanistan-solar-powered-pumps-sustainable-access-drinking-water/
https://www.freethink.com/hard-tech/afghan-farmers-solar-panels-opium
https://pajhwok.com/2022/06/20/use-of-solar-power-wells-for-agriculture-sparks-concerns/
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53450688
https://scitechdaily.com/global-danger-sinking-water-tables-worldwide/
>humanitrian group
Opinion discarded.
meds
If you had sources that were un-apolagetically pro-American talking about it, I'd believe you, but humanitarians have so discredited themselves with their pissing and moaning about every little thing the US has done in the last 80 years that I have little reason to believe this is anything other than more histrionics over nothing.
No we helped the NGOs give them out acting as protection detail and as liaisons with the village elders plus helped with install ect.
We helped them out becuase we thought hey this could help with the thirst problems.
Notice no one is blaming the US in the article its all. It's just said group lamennting how thier efforts went terriblely wrong and blaming the farmers for using it like morons.
it's almost like illiterate goat frickers are incapable of running a country, especially if that country is populated exclusively by illiterate goat frickers.
What's so bad about goats?
Better than spending 5 minutes cleaning out your Fleshlight every time
The US shutting off their access to ~~*international finance*~~ is probably a yuge factor in their inability to run their country
You mean gibs? Or are you suggesting they were going to take out capital improvement loans?
I think they're locked out of SWIFT or something, so their entire payments system is fricked
Called it. Hope they enjoy their forever war trying to centralize the state without anybody to help them.
they got their wish, too bad they wished on the monkey's paw
The US is actually assisting them now
>US armed forces lose GWOT
>Glowies win GWOT by just funneling even more money to anti-taliban insurgents
lol
lmao
>u.s. armed forces loses
They didn't? They were pretty successful until they pulled out. Even when we had a few thousand troops left, they did pretty well in propping up until they were told to stop supporting.
The only way to win the game is to not play. The US failed to understand this, and lost. Now China is top dog. They run the Middle East now. It's over.
ISIS-K is just the original OG Taliban who thought the movement was getting weak so broke off and created an IS affiliate.
IS-K is made up of many groups
>former taliban
>former ANA
>other islamists
There's also another insurgent group too, but they are less known than ISIS at the current moment. But they still conduct insurgencies and made up of afghan republic loyalists and mujahedeen groups.
Those the guys in that northwestern valley or where ever?
Yes, I think. They don't control anymore territory, but they are doing an active insurgency against taliban forces.
Good for them. I was worried losing the valley would be it for them, but I guess I was wrong. Hope those Taligays choke on their fricking win.
So China is next in the queue to intervene there?
>foreign powers always fail in Afghanistan
>Taliban cooperates with a foreign power
Taliban first, THEN China. Watch ISIS come into power a decade or so from now, cooperate with some outside power, then get overthrown by "Aisha's Bulls of the Caliphate" or something.
If their great track record in South Sudan is anything to go by, it's gonna go like this:
>Enter Afghanistan with all the flashiness of a CCP propaganda movie
>Taliban kinda waits, doesn't engage immediately
>PLA sets up camp
>Taliban launches a few mortar shells
>PLA straight up routs across the border
>Taliban moves in, gathers all the stuff left behind, rapes a few locals and aid workers while they're at it
>CCP announces a swift and glorious end to the mission, so efficient they finished in record time, way ahead of the USSR and USA
>Everyone gets a medal
>Anyone who brings it up a few months later gets put in a camp
>Taliban just left mildly confused at what the frick just happened
the taliban has heavily infiltrated and controls the CIA, ISIS is the remnants of the American controlled CIA
Kojima-tier.
NOT SO EASY IS IT
There's going to be some real sick irony sometime down the road when they invite the US in and end up with McDonalds. Vietnam 2.0 soon?
Not my problem
>1. This place ungoverable every village is an island with no loyalty. Addtionally they culture is extremely nomadic so the concept of showing up on time or staying at a job is alien. They would just move on randomly one day. The idea of nationhood does not exsist.
this might be a moronic idea but I always wondered why the US didn't focus on building up Kabul only as a kind of westernised modern city state, and build that sense of nationhood outwards
then if the villagers truly still don't give a frick like you say you it's a bit more manageable trying to rebuild a city than a whole country
frick i didnt reply
Death to afghanistan, death to the taliban.
Stop replying to bait.
If the Taliban were just pashtun nationalists with an islamist dressing why did they bother harboring a foreign Saudi who had beef with other foreigners, or at least cough him up after the fact
This question was answered more than 20 years ago
Because they had connections with him. What they should have done was hand over osama and his goons and let the UN inspect the training camps. The taliban genuinely thought the U.S. wouldn't do anything because they already asked for osama before and declined in giving him to them with no repercussion. They made the same mistake that saddam made.
You would think that, perhaps, someone in Taliban leadership might have seen a difference between a terrorist bombing a few embassies and making a frightening but ultimately harmless attempt to car-bomb the World Trade Center and hijacking several planes, crashing two of them into the World Trade Center, eventually collapsing those and killing thousands, crashing a third into the fricking Pentagon, and having the fourth stopped from doing anything worse than killing the occupants by those same occupants.
No, they were moronic to think in the long run on what it would mean in refusing again shortly after an attack on a economic center. The taliban were incredibly short sighted during that time and thought the U.S. was bluffing until they were at their doorstep.
by my white christian god pharoahs i fricking love it. we gave the afghans all the equipment and offered training that they needed to jumpstart a functional nation-state. the gratification of throwing "inshallah they were not destined to have a non-shithole standard of life or allah would have made it happen" back in their weedy bearded faces is so satisfying and almost worth the 2.5 rillion dollars. i hope that whole region gets depopulated from the shortage of everyrhing necessary for life
Apparently their population growth will lead to an eventual famine. Because they grew past their ability to produce food along with not getting U.S. gibs.
You mean pussy? Bruh these guys have like 10 kids each.
>malthus has entered the chat
Malthus’s theory was wrong except when applied to muslims
>Haber has entered the chat
You see the americans in thier savagery were not satisfied with merely killing 20 million afghanis in revenge so they embarked in thier evil plan to double the population then hand out well kits to drain and collapse all the aquifiers and cut all outside aid then leave.
Now they can look like they tried to be the good guys create a Malthusian crisis kill over 20 million and pin it on the afghanis for being moronic Truely the most anglo method of revenge.
>Now they can look like they tried to be the good guys create a Malthusian crisis kill over 20 million and pin it on the afghanis for being moronic Truely the most anglo method of revenge.
They have done the same in Iraq, American subsidied food imports have enabled the Iraqis to boost their population from 22 to 40 million. I think the idea was to trap them into being dependent on American food exports or they will starve. Truly a worthy descendant of perfidious Albion.
>functional nation-state.
>nation-state
With a myrriad of nations living in its borders and the dominant nation having most of its members in another country? And its borders being drawn as merely a buffer between a couple of empires?
Nah. Either that or you're misusing the term "nation-state"
The weirdest thing about this thread is the fact its actual serious discussion for once.
Its honestly a nice change of pace.
Because the thread wasn't made with the intention of trolling/baiting or trying to control something. Its not a thread made by that german homosexual that keeps making those threads for the purpose of baiting rather than having a serious discussion.
It's probably because unlike Russia, Islam is an actual threat to the west as it's rooted in every facet of western society and can easily sabotage it if it felt like it wanted to.
for fricking what?
did someone in the taliban recommend trying to only pray 3 times a day or something?
Any chance of a larger ground offensive into Afghanistan by Pakistan? Taliban forces have been getting more and more aggressive on the border.
Thanks to the US they have the gear now
And its being used up or captured by other insurgent groups. The ANA, while they were abandoning their equipment, had a consistent supply of new equipment while the taliban do not because the Americans are not giving them aid. The taliban got angry at the U.S. for taking/sabotaging all of their helicopters. So what they have are just captured ANA equipment, which isn't that much.
Afghanistan has multiple ongoing insurgencies that seem to be growing.
It's important to recall that the Taliban never established control over all of Afghanistan prior to 2001 and their rapid advanced in the waks of the US withdrawal seems to have caused them to move into areas they can't effectively hold long term, especially as they use up stockpiles left from the ANA and aid dries up.
There is ISKP and ISPP, as well as non-IS Jihadis who oppose the Taliban. The Taliban won support in the 1990s by appearing as champions against corruption and recalcitrant drug/war lords, but their leadership was killed after 2001 and the "Taliban" today is a Pashto ethnically based force with a history of corruption and involvement in illegal drugs, child prostitution, etc. They will likely face increasing resistance over time as memories of ANA incompetent and recalcitrance are replaced by the reality of Taliban rule.
Aside from Jihadis, the various Islamic State provinces inside Afghanistan and others, there are minority insurgents, Hazara and Tajiks, etc. as well as republican groups.
There was a brief moment where it looked like the Taliban might rule Afghanistan in more than name after the war as they rode high on momentum, but now it looks like insurgency will keep growing and they will have a reduced hold outside their traditional ethnic strongholds.
IDK, China's rivalry with India could play a big role late this century. While China courts Pakistan, who court the Taliban, I could definitely see them pursuing a divide and rule funding strategy to get influence for their expanding infrastructure web encirclement of India. India also plays a role undersold in the West and could act as a source of support for continued resistance, even as the West backs out.
The Taliban look destined to fail doing COIN.
it'll depend what areas they control, they probably know enough to just let some mountain village that barely feeds itself so as they please. There isn't a lot of value in Afghanistan so as long as they control the cities, the mines and the poppy fields they'll be fine and have all the leverage in ongoing negotiations.
Thanks God Karma exist and soon Pakistan will be begging for the return of the old Afghan Government. Nothing see me happier than seeing ISI glowies fail after all those decades
Its also important to note that having many insurgent groups in one country makes it extremely difficult to put it down along with insurgent groups having their own ways of dealing with an insurgency. People may say ISIS is not that big, but ISIS isn't the only one doing the insurgency and they are just contributors to it.
How are the Taliban both Islamic and Pashtun nationalists? Doesn’t religious extremism come before color/ethnicity?
Someone didn't pay any attention to the Balkans.
>80 IQ mullahs with absolute power and the education of a 6 year old can't run a country properly or do COIN
wow very surprising
almost like these are the same people that in the 90s made fighter pilots wear full beards only for them to no longer get good seal on their face masks and die from hypoxia
I don't know why this video exists, but I'm glad it does.
The Taliban fricks goats for fun. They’re completely moronic
Terrorist organizations (proxy militias) want to move into Afghanistan because it’s traditionally been too weak to stop them doing so. That’s all. The very purpose of the US trying to set up a strong democratic government there was to give Afghanistan the security forces needed to keep terrorists out and stop the country from becoming a haven for bad actors. The new Taliban (Pakistan proxy) have, ironically (or maybe not ironically), been trying to keep other proxies out.