Taiwan’s defense situation is awful. Good thing for them the PLA is thoroughly corrupt and so the closest thing it’ll ever do to an invasion is a war game.
Taiwan needs to put all that money into maintenance. Their maintenance infrastructure is a joke. Hugely corrupt and dysfunctional. Half their shit doesn't work.
Seriously stop buying weapons and just maintain your shit like a competent first world nation already.
Taiwan needs to: >The option to turn every building into a underground bunker >shitloads of small arms and ammo >shitloads of javelins and ammo >shitloads of Starstreak and ammo >A huge anti corruption program >A huge anti pro china program (kick every pro china shill out of the country)
Taiwan's military leadership really does need to stop being so wedded to fancy military toys. They should focus on making the island itself as lethal as possible to invaders.
Taiwan's military leadership really does need to stop being so wedded to fancy military toys. They should focus on making the island itself as lethal as possible to invaders.
Taiwan might refuse to learn from the lessons of Azovstal but other small nations might not. Singapore comes to mind, they're already the size of Azovstal. I'd assume they're already riddled with bunkers, they'll probably take the lessons of Azovstal deeply to heart and modify their existing defenses to account for it.
I'd hate to try and take modern Singapore. It'd be even worse if they turned it into a new modern fortress, it'd be utterly impregnable.
Yep, Singapore is dense as frick. It's the biggest agglomeration of humanity I've been to outside of the original human hive, Hong Kong. I was last there in '07 and it's like stepping into a real-life scene out of Blade Runner.
Even if there wasn't a single opposition soldier/insurgent that would give an invading/occupying force stress headaches just patrolling through an empty street.
Going to a night market in HK was a surreal experience. It really is a high tech dystopia.
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I remember my experience of HK was me and my Dad got the train from the airport, and then switched at some point to a different line. We were heading for a hotel in Central that overlooked Victoria Park, so we ended up emerging from a metro station somewhere in Central, I want to say Causeway Bay station on Hennessy Road. Anyway, at the time I'd had little experience of big cities, I was just a boy from rural bongistan. Coming out of that station onto the street was fricking mindblowing, one of those formative moments that you never forget. Your whole life is filled with snapshots of moments that are so striking and defining that they stick with you, for good or for bad, and this was one of them.
A Lee-Enfield rifle and a thousand rounds for every adult citizen (15+), a Stinger and a dozen reloads for every 10 adult citizens, and a dozen NLAWs for every 20 adult citizens. When China invades signal your new 16.4 million strong militia to arm and either storm the beaches, or go innahills and prepare for the gorilla campaign (as their pre-war training and direction instructed them to) and get the smug look ready.
> ATGMs > AShM’s > lots of tube artillery > GMLRS > naval mines > mines > UAVs > MANPADs > as much air defense as they can buy > small arms and heavy machine guns > shitloads of landing obstacles, razorwire
They should become culturally prepared as well by purging disloyal/pro-China and corrupt officials. Also, have everyone take a small arms familiarization course and encourage personal firearms ownership. Also, require all males over 14 lift weights.
Making Taiwan an order of magnitude more expensive to take doesn’t require even that much expenditure. It takes a cultural imposition of the Will to defend and appropriate (and relatively low cost) weapons.
If you couple the armaments and cultural shift with signaling from the US that we will defend Taiwan, invading the island becomes a moronic proposition. China would necessarily be the aggressor and (similar to Putin’s folly) would manufacture all the consent that could be desired from US security state to take any measure that could be necessary. China would be waging world war 3 and possibly losing a D-day tier invasion to take (at best) a blasted cinder. The US would then starve and nuke China until it surrendered.
> signaling from the US that we will defend Taiwan
not just the U.S, safe af to assume Japan and Australia join in (and maybe poms from a distance for shits and giggles)
>and maybe poms from a distance for shits and giggles
1) I think the current British government and the new PM (whoever it turns out to be) will be desperate enough for ANYTHING else on the front pages in a few weeks time that they'd consider that a huge win for them.
2) After the war can we sell them Opium and make them sign 'unequal treaties' again? We could use the money and it would be hilarious.
>After the war can we sell them Opium and make them sign 'unequal treaties' again?
Hong Kong will be British again and James Bond will travel there once more
It'd be safe to assume that everyone in the APAC region would join in. China is a big and dangerous foe but all their neighbors hate them and would leap on the opportunity to kick them when they're down. Vietnam would be pouring over the border in a heartbeat.
The Vietnamese military is even more of a joke than China lmao. They also have a roughly equal lack of real combat experience unless you count police actions in Cambodia 40 years ago. Vietnam would get their teeth kicked in if they tried to send troops into southern china so fast it would make the Battle of France look like WW1
The main powers would be the USA, Australia, India and South Korea. Japan's demographics are beyond fricked, they have even less combat experience than the Chinese and every time the Japanese Army or Navy does anything they are kept away from combat zones because they literally run away in fear if they hear gunshots.
I genuinely have no idea why people on /k/ think China is a joke but Japan is a secret military superpower like its the 1930s lmao.
Cool they have a good navy but their ground forces are still a joke. And btw, almost all of Japan is in on the joke. Literally nobody outside of Online nationalists and Shinzo Abe has any respect for the armed forces, the youth have no interest in joining, and morale is medium at best. It's Germany tier at best, but it's damn near worse on every level.
As we are learning from the current way in Ukraine, having huge and modern forces doesn't guarantee success. That's not to say the Chinese will win, they won't. But the Idea that Japan is gonna magically become 1930s military giant again as soon as china and the usa go to war when they lack the desire, culture or even the bare essentials like demographics to do so is legit delusional and shows a complete lack of understanding of modern Japan.
>Cool they have a good navy but their ground forces are still a joke
in a war with china ground forces will be useless. no one is going to invade the mainland. it will just be sea and air power.
>india and south korea
sorry moron but thats not going to >muh combat
cope zhang they have better equipment and the greatest military power in the world on their side to guide them while Zhangs have nothing but seething memories of being btfo by Vietnam. >I genuinely have no idea why people on /k/ think China is a joke but Japan is a secret military superpower like its the 1930s lmao.
youre the only bringing it up you insecure homosexual
Take that 14% and use it to change the national culture so fat frick Taiwanese league of legends manchildren stop balking at their pathetic 2 week basic training. Seriously, Taiwanese men are lazy apathetic fricks who don’t give a single shit about serving because “America savu us”
One single AGM-183 Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon (an air launched hypersonic missile claimed to have a maximum speed of mach 20) and a single tactical nuclear warhead specially built to destroy 3 Gorges and then 'permanently loaned' to them by the US
Naval mines and antiship missiles, thousands of them. The best way to impede a Chinese invasion is to prevent Chinese boots from landing on Taiwan in the first place.
None. They should invest that money into overhauling their shit-tier administration, logistics and training establishments, and start paying their soldiers decent wages. That's gonna do a hell of a lot more for Taiwan's capability to defend itself than another pile of equipment to be used by unmotivated, ill-led reservists.
They mostly need basic shit like more full time soldiers and arms that infantry can use. The only other equipment that would functionally help them would be stuff that makes it hard for China to move or react to Taiwanese resistance, so like maybe subs that focus on hitting supply convoys and troop transports.
M i s s i l e s
I want a thousand missiles per chinese ship/aircraft. Enough radar to pop popcorn on the dash of a chinese fighter and an urban warfare training center.
Diesel Swedish submarines capable jets with iron dome.
The submarines would be nearly impossible to detect and could take out shipping and ports, essentially shutting down the global economy that relies on China. Since China uses it's militia as a civilian fleet, it's justifiable to simply sink any ship with a Chinese flag, including freighters. This would add huge economic pressure and also make it impossible to for China to make a sea landing.Chinese product importers would be hassling China to stop the war so they could continue trading with them. China has nuclear submarines, so the much quieter diesel submarines would essentially hunt them down making sneak attacks impossibles.
Anti air fighters and missiles would stop China from dominating the skies, F-35's, but also anti missles batteries like the Iron dome would stop China from simple spamming rockets.
Taiwan isn't going to fight a land war, but a sea and air battle with China. Cyber security is a top as well.
>A couple of mini-subs
>anti-ship missiles
>uavs
>Short range cruise missiles
Taiwan’s defense situation is awful. Good thing for them the PLA is thoroughly corrupt and so the closest thing it’ll ever do to an invasion is a war game.
Taiwan needs to put all that money into maintenance. Their maintenance infrastructure is a joke. Hugely corrupt and dysfunctional. Half their shit doesn't work.
Seriously stop buying weapons and just maintain your shit like a competent first world nation already.
Agreed. Also they should focus on becoming a porcupine, turning the island into basically a death trap for invaders.
>hello are you best China?
>I have a delivery of pocket sand
>please sign here
Taiwan needs to:
>The option to turn every building into a underground bunker
>shitloads of small arms and ammo
>shitloads of javelins and ammo
>shitloads of Starstreak and ammo
>A huge anti corruption program
>A huge anti pro china program (kick every pro china shill out of the country)
Concur. Turn the ENTIRE island into that Azov steel plant.
Yes. Let the PLA fight for every building. Perhaps they still win in the end but it going to cost them a lot.
IEDs, land-mines, all manner of booby traps should be set up. Lot of PLA will die without even seeing the enemy. Maximum KIA.
>Taiwan 2030
Taiwan's military leadership really does need to stop being so wedded to fancy military toys. They should focus on making the island itself as lethal as possible to invaders.
Taiwan might refuse to learn from the lessons of Azovstal but other small nations might not. Singapore comes to mind, they're already the size of Azovstal. I'd assume they're already riddled with bunkers, they'll probably take the lessons of Azovstal deeply to heart and modify their existing defenses to account for it.
I'd hate to try and take modern Singapore. It'd be even worse if they turned it into a new modern fortress, it'd be utterly impregnable.
Isn't modern Singapore already about as densely packed as a 40k hive city anyway? Something to do with a land use tax IIRC
Yep, Singapore is dense as frick. It's the biggest agglomeration of humanity I've been to outside of the original human hive, Hong Kong. I was last there in '07 and it's like stepping into a real-life scene out of Blade Runner.
Even if there wasn't a single opposition soldier/insurgent that would give an invading/occupying force stress headaches just patrolling through an empty street.
Going to a night market in HK was a surreal experience. It really is a high tech dystopia.
I remember my experience of HK was me and my Dad got the train from the airport, and then switched at some point to a different line. We were heading for a hotel in Central that overlooked Victoria Park, so we ended up emerging from a metro station somewhere in Central, I want to say Causeway Bay station on Hennessy Road. Anyway, at the time I'd had little experience of big cities, I was just a boy from rural bongistan. Coming out of that station onto the street was fricking mindblowing, one of those formative moments that you never forget. Your whole life is filled with snapshots of moments that are so striking and defining that they stick with you, for good or for bad, and this was one of them.
What were you doing there?
I suspect when Taiwan is suddenly flooded with hordes of PLA, they'll suddenly go, "What did Ukraine do again?"
But we definitely need to begin shipping IED manuals to the Taiwanese.
>we
>Let's turn every country into Afghanistan.
Every country that's being invaded by our enemies, yeah.
That's as dumb as turning Germany into a nuclear wasteland to save them from communism.
Turning Taiwan into China's Afghanistan can only be a good thing, lol.
Why not get China to go to Afghanistan Classic and get theirs the way everyone else has?
>kick every pro china shill out of the country
That results in full-blown civil war and every anti china shill getting kicked out of the country in the end.
Either dig into the ground and become dwarves or buy fricking nukes like any sane person
>t. digger
You dumb dirty digger
>buy fricking nukes
Taiwan jsut making the attempt would see them get immediately glassed by the PRC.
Nukes
Bayraktar
A Lee-Enfield rifle and a thousand rounds for every adult citizen (15+), a Stinger and a dozen reloads for every 10 adult citizens, and a dozen NLAWs for every 20 adult citizens. When China invades signal your new 16.4 million strong militia to arm and either storm the beaches, or go innahills and prepare for the gorilla campaign (as their pre-war training and direction instructed them to) and get the smug look ready.
s400, pantsir, t80, t90, kalbr
> ATGMs
> AShM’s
> lots of tube artillery
> GMLRS
> naval mines
> mines
> UAVs
> MANPADs
> as much air defense as they can buy
> small arms and heavy machine guns
> shitloads of landing obstacles, razorwire
They should become culturally prepared as well by purging disloyal/pro-China and corrupt officials. Also, have everyone take a small arms familiarization course and encourage personal firearms ownership. Also, require all males over 14 lift weights.
Entire population should be trained and armed.
Making Taiwan an order of magnitude more expensive to take doesn’t require even that much expenditure. It takes a cultural imposition of the Will to defend and appropriate (and relatively low cost) weapons.
Just turn Taiwan into Iraq War II/Ukraine/Japanese WWII Island on steroids.
A slaughterhouse for the PLA.
Oh, and arm the civilians with Riot Control weapons pre-invasion, lol.
Here me out: VX landmines
Hogweed mace is way more diabolical. Third and second degree burns that last for months.
If you couple the armaments and cultural shift with signaling from the US that we will defend Taiwan, invading the island becomes a moronic proposition. China would necessarily be the aggressor and (similar to Putin’s folly) would manufacture all the consent that could be desired from US security state to take any measure that could be necessary. China would be waging world war 3 and possibly losing a D-day tier invasion to take (at best) a blasted cinder. The US would then starve and nuke China until it surrendered.
> signaling from the US that we will defend Taiwan
not just the U.S, safe af to assume Japan and Australia join in (and maybe poms from a distance for shits and giggles)
>and maybe poms from a distance for shits and giggles
1) I think the current British government and the new PM (whoever it turns out to be) will be desperate enough for ANYTHING else on the front pages in a few weeks time that they'd consider that a huge win for them.
2) After the war can we sell them Opium and make them sign 'unequal treaties' again? We could use the money and it would be hilarious.
>After the war can we sell them Opium and make them sign 'unequal treaties' again?
Hong Kong will be British again and James Bond will travel there once more
It'd be safe to assume that everyone in the APAC region would join in. China is a big and dangerous foe but all their neighbors hate them and would leap on the opportunity to kick them when they're down. Vietnam would be pouring over the border in a heartbeat.
The Vietnamese military is even more of a joke than China lmao. They also have a roughly equal lack of real combat experience unless you count police actions in Cambodia 40 years ago. Vietnam would get their teeth kicked in if they tried to send troops into southern china so fast it would make the Battle of France look like WW1
The main powers would be the USA, Australia, India and South Korea. Japan's demographics are beyond fricked, they have even less combat experience than the Chinese and every time the Japanese Army or Navy does anything they are kept away from combat zones because they literally run away in fear if they hear gunshots.
I genuinely have no idea why people on /k/ think China is a joke but Japan is a secret military superpower like its the 1930s lmao.
Probably the fact that the Japanese have a huge and modern navy lmao
Cool they have a good navy but their ground forces are still a joke. And btw, almost all of Japan is in on the joke. Literally nobody outside of Online nationalists and Shinzo Abe has any respect for the armed forces, the youth have no interest in joining, and morale is medium at best. It's Germany tier at best, but it's damn near worse on every level.
As we are learning from the current way in Ukraine, having huge and modern forces doesn't guarantee success. That's not to say the Chinese will win, they won't. But the Idea that Japan is gonna magically become 1930s military giant again as soon as china and the usa go to war when they lack the desire, culture or even the bare essentials like demographics to do so is legit delusional and shows a complete lack of understanding of modern Japan.
>The Russian force that invaded Ukraine
>Huge
>Modern
Do you know what those words mean, Ivan?
>Cool they have a good navy but their ground forces are still a joke
in a war with china ground forces will be useless. no one is going to invade the mainland. it will just be sea and air power.
>Taiwan, Japan, and Korea come together to form the frick you China alliance.
>india and south korea
sorry moron but thats not going to
>muh combat
cope zhang they have better equipment and the greatest military power in the world on their side to guide them while Zhangs have nothing but seething memories of being btfo by Vietnam.
>I genuinely have no idea why people on /k/ think China is a joke but Japan is a secret military superpower like its the 1930s lmao.
youre the only bringing it up you insecure homosexual
Atombombs
Take that 14% and use it to change the national culture so fat frick Taiwanese league of legends manchildren stop balking at their pathetic 2 week basic training. Seriously, Taiwanese men are lazy apathetic fricks who don’t give a single shit about serving because “America savu us”
nuclear weapons and a few nuclear subs
and that's it, they dont need more military forces anymore
One single AGM-183 Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon (an air launched hypersonic missile claimed to have a maximum speed of mach 20) and a single tactical nuclear warhead specially built to destroy 3 Gorges and then 'permanently loaned' to them by the US
>But what weapons should it try to obtain?
including policy.
Naval mines and antiship missiles, thousands of them. The best way to impede a Chinese invasion is to prevent Chinese boots from landing on Taiwan in the first place.
None. They should invest that money into overhauling their shit-tier administration, logistics and training establishments, and start paying their soldiers decent wages. That's gonna do a hell of a lot more for Taiwan's capability to defend itself than another pile of equipment to be used by unmotivated, ill-led reservists.
Thats a lot of F35s.
Su-35.
>Pic
Do vatBlack folk really?
why buy them when they can just scrape them off the ground of a random Ukraine farm?
>shipping them IED manuals and parts
yall know what the I stands for right? Just ship them actual mines and claymores and shit
Neocons are a death cult.
They mostly need basic shit like more full time soldiers and arms that infantry can use. The only other equipment that would functionally help them would be stuff that makes it hard for China to move or react to Taiwanese resistance, so like maybe subs that focus on hitting supply convoys and troop transports.
M i s s i l e s
I want a thousand missiles per chinese ship/aircraft. Enough radar to pop popcorn on the dash of a chinese fighter and an urban warfare training center.
Unironically the best thing they could do is give 2A equivalent firearm rights to the citizenry and encourage them to buy guns.
No shit, that's the best thing you can do for any society no matter what situation it's in.
Diesel Swedish submarines capable jets with iron dome.
The submarines would be nearly impossible to detect and could take out shipping and ports, essentially shutting down the global economy that relies on China. Since China uses it's militia as a civilian fleet, it's justifiable to simply sink any ship with a Chinese flag, including freighters. This would add huge economic pressure and also make it impossible to for China to make a sea landing.Chinese product importers would be hassling China to stop the war so they could continue trading with them. China has nuclear submarines, so the much quieter diesel submarines would essentially hunt them down making sneak attacks impossibles.
Anti air fighters and missiles would stop China from dominating the skies, F-35's, but also anti missles batteries like the Iron dome would stop China from simple spamming rockets.
Taiwan isn't going to fight a land war, but a sea and air battle with China. Cyber security is a top as well.
Probably some decent air-defence, or shore-based ship defence.
Taiwan is lost with propper anti chinese sentiment. They are fricking cucks right now. Not willing to die for Taiwan.
Rig the ENTIRE island to EXPLODE
competent and driven people to use them.
they don't have many of those