According to the leader of Hamas China told them that they plan on doing a surprise on Taiwan similar to what Hamas did to israel.
Is that actually even possible? How could China theoretically commence a surprise attack on another nation without it being picked up by satellites weeks in advance?
Yes I'm sure China told Hamas their grand plan. I'm sure he is telling the truth, and I'm sure your not making this up.
https://www.i24news.tv/fr/actu/international/moyen-orient/1698585563-en-chine-ils-ont-ete-impressionnes-par-l-attaque-et-les-russes-veulent-l-enseigner-dans-les-ecoles-militaires-hamas
>Khaled Meshaal, the leader of Hamas abroad, claimed that Russia and China welcomed the October 7 terrorist attack during an interview with the Egyptian channel Al-Balad . “For your information, Russia benefited (from the terrorist attack) because we diverted the Americans' attention away from them and Ukraine,” he said.
>"The Russians told us that what happened on October 7 would be taught in military schools. The Chinese even pointed out that this was an example and that they plan to do in Taiwan what we did on the 7 October,” he added.
>The Russians told us that what happened on October 7 would be taught in military schools
Ukrainebros... Will this make the russian military more effective??
You can't use "russian military" and "effective" in the same sentence.
> The Russians told us that what happened on October 7 would be taught in military schools. The Chinese even pointed out that this was an example and that they plan to do in Taiwan what we did on the 7 October
Ok so surprise attacking civilians at a fucking techno festival and then in return getting curb-stomped on your own territory will be taught in vatnik military schools and copied by the chinese? Good to know
>techno festival
Psychedelic trance anon, half of them were probably on hallucinogenics or MDMA.
Ahh, then of course they all deserved to end up in shitty pixelated snuff films, some straight edge teetotaler on post 2016 PrepHole said so.
Zoomers are going to be as bad as or worse than the boomers were. The low effort zero thought contrarianism is just as bad as the "fuck you, I got mine" attitude the boomers have towards the rest of society.
Nah, just wanted to point out how much more fucked up that is. Imagine being a naive 19 year old girl on your first international holiday, there's music, you're having a good time, you're on two drugs at once, then fucking Hamas (which you hadn't heard of) arrives. You're scared but the sound of gunfire is just bewildering and you don't realize how dire things are until you're on your knees and someone pulls out their machete or their dick.
Seriously. I have no more empathy for Hamas. Fuck them.
kek, it's hard to tell these days with how bitter and edgy /misc/ and /leftypol/ are, and all the straight edge no fun allowed types that seem to have infested this place in the past several years.
I mean the whole incel ideology seems to revolve around never getting to have fun so I can see why they'd view a teenager going abroad for the first time and doing some ecstasy as a crime worthy of a death sentence lmao. I've seen a lot of them sincerely talk up Islam as the solution to the "female problem" too.
probably will be taught in some sort of military-esque school about the faults of an over reliance on tech for security/border patrol
it was a massive fumble on Israel’s part, and the reasons for it should be studied tbh
>Chinabros and Putin-sama please notice us. And send help.
This is what desperation sounds like.
None of this makes any sense and I am pretty sure OP keeps making these threads over and over. The distance between mainland China and mainland Taiwan is like 185km. The fastest paraglider in the world is like 60kmph. You're going to be spending three hours in the air to 'surprise attack' Taiwan. The fastest autogiro is like 200kmph, so you're looking at about an hour if you include the weight of equipment it'd take to get there. Note these are the fastest ones and likely not the ones China has or would need for an actual invasion. Therefore sending in 1500 guys in these things would be fucking retarded.
Even if they sent 50,000, that isn't enough to defeat Taiwan and occupy the island. The only way it could work is if they did it and then followed up with missile strikes and then a full invasion force. The latter which would be seen forming and told to Taiwan (even if they couldn't see it themselves).
This guy is just chatting bullshit because nobody in Russia or China is going to come out and go
>Oh yeah for sure we copied a terrorist organisations attack plan.
Because that's fucking terrible optics. But they know this, so you can't say anything about it, so you can just say whatever. Short of directly insulting Putin or Xi, he can say whatever he wants in regards to China and Russia and they won't say anything. They won't go
>yeah no, we didn't
or
>yeah, we did
They'll just keep quiet.
The reason Hamas used paragliders probably had something to do with how Iron Dome would have been calibrated to not shoot at them, dude to the risk of killing civilian enthusiasts.
>The Russians told us that what happened on October 7 would be taught in military schools.
that's the most back-handed compliment i can imagine lol
>Exchanging notes with terrorists
Maybe the Chinks can ring them up on tips on how to fix their collapsing real estate market next lmao.
>Exchanging notes with terrorists
Isn't that a israelites thing they are the ones who are good at finance and real estate lol
>them
Maybe also some construction tips too, just think of all the havoc Israel could wreak on buildings with brand new concrete that can be damaged by a spoon.
Maybe if the assault was as crappy and low-tech as the Hamas attacks. Any meaningful attempt at invasion would easily be notices though.
See, a mistake is to take what an Arab says as the fact of the matter instead of a vibe. China pulling a Hamas maneuver on Taiwan (to take hostages and parade around war brides before retreating?) is him actually telling you that Hamas is strong and envied around the world. The facts don't matter, it's the narrative and the feelings.
If China simply nuked Taiwan and took over the glass fields, my taxes would go down.
Opposite. The US would invade China for ruining the entire economy and you wouldn't be able to play another videogame again.
90 IQ
I could see the reasoning behind this, but a billion bugmen drowning would result in a lot of the Fortune 500 like Amazon or Apple immediately going bankrupt.
Whether this is good or bad is another can of worms, since it could either lead to disaster in the U.S., or a new golden era of mom & pop shops
If Taiwan destroyed the three gorges damn your taxes would go down far more.
Well yes, Taiwan and the US getting nuked out of national existence would mean his taxes would trend towards zero.
> US getting nuked out of national existence
>by the Chinese
Lol.
Lmao.
Lol Chang actually thinks Chinas 40 year old pile of 300 nukes would do shit to the US
I’d say maybe 1 out of every 5 Chinese work and of those 60 (lol) that work, 1, maybe MAYBE 2 would make through the myriad of defenses.
Why dont china create or steal the Taiwanese tech for semi conductors and it eont be of interest for usa then china can then use soft power and take the country, or even make it one of those states that china can control there would be no bloodshed and no need for war
Chinese can't construct advanced shit. They tried many times. Taiwanese are like gods compared to the average Chinese
Taiwan of all places is ideal for Chinese spies. They look the same and speak the same language. China just needs to get an agent with a USB stick into Lisa Su's office and they can steal the blueprints to make their own chip factory.
That's not how it works. It's not about designs it's about competence.
Making Chips requires people to both be highly educated and intelligence as well as extremely hard working.
Chinese like to cut corners on everything.
They cut corners making crap for Walmart, they don't cut corners with their own military-industrial complex
>they all look the same and speak the same language
This doesn't really matter in the modern world. Intelligence agencies, especially large ones, can very easily recruit people from all over the world - and that's if they can't find someone of the right ethnicity already living inside their borders.
Also, this isn't Battletech. You could have all the chip blueprints in the world but it wouldn't matter if you couldn't make everything needed to make the tools to make the tools needed to make the chips.
>china can then use soft power
>create or steal
You can't steal talent or creativity. It especially can't grow in authoritarian systems. The nail that sticks out gets hammered down, as they say.
It's literally impossible to launch a surprise invasion of Taiwan. Surprise missile bombardment maybe.
It's not Taiwanese technology. It's largely American/European design being made on Dutch/German equipment using Japanese/Chinese materials with Taiwanese labor and facilities. China struggles to manufacture domestic jet engines and the precision required for making the machines that have the precision to make advanced semiconductors is far more complex. Then even if they copy that they have to copy everything else. And if they just copy they will always be a few generations behind even if they manage to pull it off.
>China struggles to manufacture domestic jet engines
It amazes me that they treat "we just started building our own engines" as a bragging point because it means they've just become peers with 1979 Russia
> It's largely American/European design being made on Dutch/German equipment
FWIW, there is exactly one company in the world that makes optics good enough to use to make high-end chips. And spoiler alert: it’s not in China.
>China create
lol
>steal
They’d like to but Taiwan is rather protective of the one thing that both funds their country, makes them valuable to the West, AND prevents China from just trying to brute force them at the first opportunity vjjapt
>Why dont china create or steal the Taiwanese tech for semi conductors
ignoring all the practical concerns for such an undertaking?
Because not even Taiwan has "all the tech". the lithography machines they use are made in Europe for example.
>Taxes would go down if the World's Semiconductor factory got glassed, along with the engineers.
I mean it's technically right. Your taxes would be 0 because the world's economy would crash.
>heh, Taiwan is gone. My taxes will finally go down
>WAIT WTF WHY IS EVERY FUCKING GOOD 25x ITS OLD PRICE
>WTF DO YOU MEAN ALL BUSINESSES RUN ON COMPUTERS
“We will die fighting for computer chips” is a bullshit fake excuse.
If in a hypothetical scenario, advanced chips were easily produced in the U.S. and every other country to the same quality as Taiwan, we wouldn’t suddenly decide to get out of the pacific and end our Cold War with China.
This is about power, not computer chips.
>We will die
No one will die. China will get completely BTFO with basically no US deaths. Last time China and US fought China had 30 times more deaths than America and that was in a situation they had advantage. Stop coping Chang.
Put a destroyer on the straight of malacca. 700 million Chinese starve to death with 0 dead Americans.
You lost Chang
I don't mean to rain on the "LOL WE DESTROY DAM" and "CHINESE STARVE" parade but I am pretty sure they've been hoarding grain etc.
Probably not enough to feed everyone for an extended period but yeah.
Well video games are serious business, I think you take that away you will have millions of cod fan boys singing up
>We will die
IDK if this is just zoomer brainrot but nobody goes into something just for the purpose of dying, even soldiers don't think like that, no matter the rhetoric. Everyone goes in to kill the other bastard and win, no more no less.
No and do you really think they would share information like this with Hamas of all people?It would require a massive build up of troops
No your taxes and expenses would go up you retarded tankie.
>i'm nervous, this doesn't seem like a good idea
>nonsense you got it bro just close your eyes and do it, trust
Surely you've done this as a kid lmao
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>muh taxes!
Lolberts outing themselves out as sociopathic bootlickers once again.
Taxes go down? More like conscripted and sent to kill chinaggers.
HELLO I AMERICAN PIGDOG FROM NEW YORK
WHY TAXES SO HIGH? LET GLORIOUS CHINA TAKE TAIWAN.
Taxes never go down. Even if the US had fewer expenses with communists ravaging taiwan, which is not the case.
The world economy, and especially the american economy is built on trade with friendly countries. Usually extremely beneficial deals to America in exchange for implicit or explicit protection of trade routes and trade partners. This isn't rocket science, serving our allies to our enemies on a silver platter will NEVER benefit us or you - unless you're a thirdie. Which is likely, to be fair
what a retard.
>My taxes would go down if the US was embroiled in a war
Uh, shill-chan...
At height of cold war usa was spending 3 times bigger part of their economy on military. What part of your brain made you think biggest geopolitical rival using nukes wouldnt at least triple military spending?
tl;dr your taxes would at least double.
China needs to win a firefight first.
I was at Op's pic yesterday. I just hope in case of an invasion the French embassy won't let me die there kek. I'm a frog and actually I have no idea what to do if one day I hear the first cruise missile strike, should I just run in the embassy? It's an island it's not like I can steal a car and go back to my house. For reference I'll live there for around 5 years what are the chances that I finish in a badly encoded webm ?
You would have at least 2 months prep before the invasion. It would be obvious way before the invasion.
Like it was obvious before the hamas attack? Face it a shipping container full of missiles looks exactly like a shipping container full of knockoff widgets. The first warning Formosa will have will be the sound of the gyrocopters troops securing the ports and armories, followed minutes later by the radio broadcast of the Formosa government surrendering.
Sorry, guess i missed the part where Israel surrendered, surprise attacks obviously guarantee total victory, as has been shown by Japan's victory in ww2, and Moscow's successful 3 day operation that subdued all of Ukraine.
>Comparing an attack of a few guys vs an entire army
So China will surprise terrorist attack Taiwan for no reason?
>The first warning Formosa will have will be the sound of the gyrocopters troops securing the ports and armories,
lol retard how do you get 300,000 troops ready without anyone noticing? Why are you retarded?
Read the recent congressional report. China's recent excercises involved casually transfering entire Group Armies (Corps sized units) within 24 hours from one excercise area to another.
They are shifting them around all the time like some back-street scammer with those cups and balls. You wont see anything until very very late into their preparations.
>They are shifting them around all the time like some back-street scammer with those cups and balls. You wont see anything until very very late into their preparations.
Sure thing Chang. Now can you say it again in your own language
Doesn't matter, they can't invade without building a mulberry harbour first and there is no way to hide the months long construction effort of such an installation
>what if they just defy convention and go in without one?
The invasion fails and all chinese troops who make it to the island become either prisoners or casualties
You do realize that the china and taiwan are close enough that anything PLA does at their shore can literally be observed by random taiwanese beach goer with a pair of cheap binocular, right? surprise invasion is literally impossible.
>It's an island
you may want to purchase a boat
Bullshit.
China's strategy would be more like Israel's vs Gaza.
Total blockade and bombing/phosphoring/droning and maybe even gassing every building, every hole and every door or window they can find until nobody is left.
They will declare a strip of beach on Taiwan's west coast as safe-zone for civilians and surrendered ROCA troops who go there without weapons, but enact a near genocide campaign against all those who want to stay and fight.
Nuclear forces will be on standby and all Chinese missiles pointed towards US bases in the region while this is going on. Either China gets Taiwan, or nobody will get anything.
>Nuclear forces will be on standby and all Chinese missiles pointed towards US bases in the region while this is going on
Guam has THAAD and in a few years will have 360 degree BMD radar coverage. China isn't going to start a nuclear war over Taiwan.
America isnt going to intervene either. And THAAD is useless against anything but a few missiles. Not the numbers China will be using (thousands of ballistic missiles)
No.
America isnt going to risk losing their entire global empire, which would totally happen with the sinking and the destruction of a majority of its carriers and bases in the Pacific, for a little island that is only being propped up for convenience.
Seething small yellow hands typed these posts.
That’s exactly the conflict we’ve been paying for for decades.
Why does every tinpot dictators master plan of dominance come at the assumption that the US will do nothing? Because the US always does something.
It's not for us. It's for their fellow yellow men
>BRO GET ON THE BOAT THE US WONT DO ANYTHING
I still don't understand how they think a Virginia class somewhere wouldn't put 8 TACTOMs directly on the barracks their soldiers were staging in. Their entire plan is fundamentally based on the US doing nothing for the first 48 hours then just kinda going along with it.
Seriously. Imagine what would happen if 2 B-1Bs got airborne with their full complement of JASSMs (IIRC 24 per plane) and dumped them on the nearest PLAN naval base. It'd throw their entire landing plan off.
>Their entire plan is fundamentally based on the US doing nothing for the first 48 hours
Changs really are retarded
Exactly. Or imagine four B-52s getting loaded with JASSMs (again, like 20 each) in the US and flying to the Pacific. What capability does the PLAN/PLAAF/PLANAF have to stop tankers based in the US refueling them at, say, 160W? What capability does the PLAAF have to stop the B-52s dropping their missiles 1000 nmi away on Chinese coastal targets?
>B-52s
lighting up on OTH radars and detected even long before by Chinese satellites (SAR, can see you at night and thru clouds) at the airbase.
Probably already destroyed by Chinese ballistic missiles before they take off, or picked off by J-20 armed with PL-21 super long range missiles.
>Chinese satellites
Blown out of the sky.
CHING CHONG BING BONG CHING CHONG BING BONG
Yeah, China just relaunches more.
LM-6 ORSS are made for this scenario where China and the US are blowing up each other's space assets.
Military grade TEL and solid fuel space rocket for the replacement satellites you need in such times.
>China spents billions putting more satellites up that get blown up instantly
CHING CHONG BING BONG
This is a video of a Chinese civilian recon satellite tracking planes at the Atlanta Airport in the US, btw.
Yeah, you shoot up Chinese barracks while China isnt even invading in the first place, but just turning Taiwan into Gaza City with long range artillery.
Also, China has more barracks, more infrastructure and more mobilizational capacities than you have Tomahawks, or ever will be able to produce.
You are a deindustrialized country with your biggest slice of economy being grifters at Wallstreet who produce not a single screw.
You cant even properly keep up with artillery shell production for Ukraine, something a WWI country could do back in the day.
>Chang using reddit spacing
This is pathetic.
Funny how America needs Taiwan to produce its semi-conductors because Intel cannot do it on its own.
Meanwhile China shits out 7nm and soon 5nm since its literally the same process and supplies Russia with whatever they need.
>China shits out shit
>It's shit
Lol
CHING CHONG BING BONG CHING CHONG BING BONG
>Also, China has more barracks, more infrastructure and more mobilizational capacities than you have Tomahawks
I hope you actually are Chinese.
CHING CHONG BING BONG CHING CHONG BING BONG
>china is second and not supporting a single ally, proxy conflict, military occupation or invasion
What exactly did you mean by this
>Chang says something retarded and get's btfo
>US produces 5 times more shells
>UH NO I MEAN WE WON
You only need to blow up the stuff on the other side of the strait
I promise you they don't. Especially when America is conducting decapitation strikes on Chinese military leadership and engaging in cyber warfare.
>cant even out-produce Russia or Iran
>wants to win a war against the single biggest industrial powerhouse in the world
America is fully deindustrialized. The time you need to build a single Burke, China shits out an entire Fleet of ships.
Yes, it will be like the Pacific War. But in reverse, with China being the US.
Lol Chang. China doesn't even have a single super carrier on par with what the US has.
>wants to win a war against the single biggest industrial powerhouse in the world
Oh you mean America
Funny how China has lost multiple wars against civilizations with 1% of it's population size. Changs really are pathetic
>America is fully deindustrialized. The time you need to build a single Burke, China shits out an entire Fleet of ships.
>Yes, it will be like the Pacific War. But in reverse, with China being the US.
But has no capacity to produce fuel for its navy, vs US oil exports and refineries, and also dozens of nuclear subs to take out naval shipping (and shoot missiles at land pipelines) for fuel supplies.
USA Petro Dollar stronk
t. Japan, 1940
if china could, or wanted to do this it wouldve done so already the moment it got a critical mass of nukes.
There is no scenario where china comes out of this smelling like roses, even if the rest of the world does let china take taiwan it would be economically ruined since japan, indonesia, vietnam, philipines, malaysia, Aus, India would stop trading with china and may become explicitly hostile to them by stopping ships headed towards china.
Economic ruin in china usually means a massive famine and regime change
>America isnt going to risk losing their entire global empire, which would totally happen with the sinking and the destruction of a majority of its carriers and bases in the Pacific, for a little island that is only being propped up for convenience.
Taiwan can decide the easy way out, which is compliance and integration. Or just going back to the 1992 consensus of de-facto independence but paying lip-service to One-China.
Or they can try to become Ukraine and see what happens.
>Or they can try to become Ukraine and see what happens.
Completely crippling Chinas military for the rest of time while China doesn't take Taiwan?
BASED
Unlikely.
Taiwan has zero strategic depth and only a population of 20 million, of which 1.3% work and live in China permanently.
The entirety of Taiwan is in literal rocket artillery range of China, not just SRBMs or other more expensive ordnance. Fucking Rocket Artillery.
It's like how North Korea can level Seoul in minutes, but imagine your entire country being Seoul.
Try to mobik your troops on an island under constant artillery barrage.
>zero strategic depth
Overconfident chinks rushing into mountainous terrain - except this time, the defenders are entrenched enough to make Iwo Jima look like a joke, and they have amphibious landings and naval crossings added into the chaos. Sounds like a lovely time
China lost to people they outnumber 500 to 1.
> It's like how North Korea can level Seoul in minutes
Except they can’t.
Not him, but I didn't know anything about this, but GPT says you are correct. Very interesting, thanks.
>The claim that North Korea can level Seoul in minutes is a hyperbole that exaggerates the threat of North Korea’s conventional artillery. While North Korea does have a large number of artillery pieces deployed near the border, most of them are of low accuracy, limited range, and outdated technology
>
>According to a 2017 report by the Nautilus Institute, a non-governmental organization that studies security issues in Northeast Asia, North Korea’s artillery would be able to inflict significant damage on Seoul, but not enough to destroy the city or cause mass casualties. The report estimated that North Korea could fire about 4,000 rounds per minute for several hours, targeting mainly military and government facilities, as well as some civilian areas. However, the report also noted that South Korea’s air defense and counter-battery systems would be able to intercept or destroy many of the incoming shells, and that South Korea’s own artillery and air force would retaliate with superior firepower and precision
>I didn't know anything about this, but GPT says you are correct
Usually more reliable than just googling shit, because it aggregated multiple sources.
These models make a ton of mistakes, and they are also programmed with an implicit political bias. That's a huge deal when it comes to warfare. I've worked with these models, even to do programming, and it can often do a pretty sloppy job or make crucial mistakes. Writing those prompts is a skill in itself, and even then, the finished product needs refinement.
For writing, it has to be proofread and edited professionally, especially for researched facts and highly sensitive military intelligence. For programming, it has to be debugged. For images, you get AI artifacts. My point is that putting blind trust in AI models built by imperfect humans is not the best idea. Work with these models long enough and you will see what I mean.
IMHO it's generally pretty good nowadays. All you've said is correct though.
Yes, generally pretty good is accurate, just saying it is wise to take the output with a grain of salt. I think AI generated programming is absolutely incredible. The superhuman speed at which AI can write code, it can scale to do the full day work of hundreds of programmers in an hour. That is just a fun hobby though, am geeking out over it. I do construction work for a living and post on PrepHole purely out of love.
I'm in finance. Generative AI is being rapidly adapted for all sorts of tasks. Always got to double-check everything, but you have to do that anyway. It's pretty amazing tech.
>mindlessly outsourcing even your aggregation of sources to a hallucinating symbol-stream predictor
We're not going to make it, are we? Humanity, I mean.
Works on my machine.
>It's like how North Korea can level Seoul in minutes, but imagine your entire country being Seoul.
I was with you into you posted this. You're fucking retarded. You're Dunning-Kruger textbook. Go and actually fucking read up on this claim. It is absolute bullshit peddled as propaganda by so many people, it is absolute horseshit and would never ever happen.
>tfw all those American carriers sent to aid the israelites are actually in range of the DF-26 ASBM rn.
Funny how the US cant really escape a 2nd Pearl Harbor, even on the other side of the world.
Chinese missiles have a margin of error in the miles.
And it will end as well for China and it did for Japan
I fucking hope not. The Japanese archipelago is still habitable. I want a bug free nature preserve from Harbin to Hainan.
Yes let me launch missiles across the planet and thru neutral/semi hostile national airspace with no reprocussions. Oh wait yeah sorry I forgot retard school was on break for Halloween since it'd be hard to tell the costume clowns from you
>America is fully deindustrialized. The time you need to build a single Burke, China shits out an entire Fleet of ships.
Yes, it will be like the Pacific War. But in reverse, with China being the US.
Yet another thread where the cashier at Golden Temple tries to convince me that its people should be feared. I jej
Here's a fun little question for the Chinese here: Why are you still using the H-6, a strategic bomber that has like 36 tons of fuel on board and was only recently retrofitted to be capable of aerial refueling?
China lost every war of the last 400 years including losing to Taiwan the last 2 times they fought.
They won a couple of border disputes against India which isn't really saying much. The Kuomintang led Chinese troops despite being hampered by the absolute corrupt shitstain that was their leadership did okay. Then getting back to the CCP they only won against the Kuomintang by hiding out in the Northern mountains the whole war and only coming down once the Japanese were beat and beating on a weakened opponent. They basically did what I would do playing Chinese checkers when I was little: move one marble back and forth until everyone else would kill each other off then storm out at the end.
Maybe this is what they've been building all those gyrocopters for
>mfw Chinks fly paragliders across the Taiwan Strait.
>extremely slow
>radars pick them up almost immediately
>Taiwanese military has several hours to get some guys on the 40mm guns all around Taiwan for pic related
>paragliders
>40mm guns
That's "red mist" tier overkill.
...
I like it.
If it worked for the USN in 1945 it'll work for the Taiwanese in 2025.
Taiwan is Western armed and surrouned by US vassals
There's also a large swath of sea that anyone can monitor and see
>go norf
Japan and America will instantly see the PLAN
>go south
The Philippines will ring up and sound the alarm for America because they will think China is invading them
>go directly east
Taiwan has 24/7 monitoring on the strait
why would the PRC do that when they can just wait for the burger empire to fall? at which point burger support for Cuck Island will end
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning
and yet the USSR is no more but the PRC stands
>do nothing
>demographic crisis
>inflation crisis
>rest of BRICS gets curbstomped or won over by nato when you fail to intervene on their behalf
>collapse into chinese civil war 2
crisis
crisis
just revert to planning
>>rest of BRICS gets curbstomped or won over by nato when you fail to intervene on their behalf
the US isn't going to let any global south countries into NATO that would defeat its purpose
>Just
Just what? You can't fix the incel problem
>collapse into chinese civil war 2
you forgot a couple zeroes at the end there
Because China's demography is the worst in the world. Even worse than Russia and Ukraine's were before the war when you account for the faked population statistics. China actually has less than 1.3 billion people and the 100 million faked people were all kids born since the one child policy. Population has likely been in decline since 2015 or earlier, not this year.
Chinese take headcount of new citizens when they enter the education system. Like the US schools are funded by headcount. One child policy dramatically cut enrollment so principals made fake students to avoid budget cuts. Declining population is a problem for a lot of countries but most of them are much wealthier per capita than China.
So basically they do it in the next 5 years or they wait another 2-3 generations. Because if they wait past 2030 they won't be able to afford to take people out of production unless they can convince everyone to take a hugely reduced standard of living. Russia faced this exact same dilemma and ultimately decided to try an invasion.
so? the mainland still has a huge reserve army of labour in the peasantry
the world isn't an RTS where population is a mana mechanic. Population structure is more important than total population.
that's where you're wrong, kiddo
Will the PLA manage to win a firefight in the time therein?
100% truth totally not grasping at straws of a crumbling organization trying to make itself seen like many countries are willing to help it
>How could China theoretically commence a surprise attack on another nation without it being picked up by satellites weeks in advance?
You can't unless you pulled off some truly impossible hacks to fool the entire worlds satellite grid. Even then Taiwan has enough means of early detection that the world would be well aware of it before the PLAN ships had left port.
A naval invasion of Taiwan would take almost a year of preparation. Moving PLA troops to the south coast, moving PLAN ships, stockpiling all the necessary shit for an invasion and the checks on all the kit.
Thats all the while they'd have to beef up security at any major infrastructure site within missile range of Taiwan or the coast.
Do all of that without attracting attention, fuck no, everyone knew Russia was planning to invade Ukraine weeks in advance due to the reasons above.
just do the old civ move and pretend you're just beefing up your border defenses
If you want a laugh, go read the stories on Global Times.
It's literally the Chinese version of RT.
Except maybe don't, because maybe you don't want the CCP to have your IP address.
The forbidden curry powder
bo wonder their buildings keep falling over
B-b-but muh taxes!
I live in Taiwan
AMA
Do you guys still have reverence for ancient Chinese culture, or was that discarded in favor of modernisation? I heard that China has likes of shrines and traditional sites, while Taiwan is all fast food and consumerist.
the oldest shrines in Taiwan are only 300ish years old.
Taiwan was colonized by the Chinese after europeans, so as such there's only 400 years of history
That makes sense.
> I heard that China has likes of shrines and traditional sites, while Taiwan is all fast food and consumerist.
wumao coping points at its finest. Taiwan is the factual remnant of the true old china where the cultural artifacts survived along with old traditions. Mainland meanwhile experienced the "blessing" of mao and his rats who proceeded to destroy EVERYTHING related to the old chinas. Think ISIS in aleppo tier destruction. Its called the great cultural devolution. Whatever is left in mainland is thanks to pure coincidence of being hidden (like medieval buddha statue submerged in a dam reservoir) and the red guard not knowing of its existence
He even wanted to replace the chink glyps with latin alphabet since he was a deeply insecure smelly neet that envied stalins vatnik union and wanted to copy it to the letter
I only hear that narrative on /k/. It hasn't tracked with what I've heard from people who vacationed in both countries.
I've been in mainland China.
You can go to the tourist spots like the moon temple andvit's well taken care off. Or take a tourist bus up to the bits of the wall they have restored.
But once you leave the tourist areas you see the damage both from the cultural revolution and the decades of neglect.
The soviet set up a lively trade in icons and other religious objects. The ccp never did any of that rather burning and smashing what they could.
Te reason they are so fervently buying up every bit of chinese antiques they can is due to how much they destroyed.
The ccp was going so far in destroying Chinese culture that the soviets had to tell them to chill out. Only for the chinks to ramp it up to 11 once they split from the soviet
Reminds me of how the USSR slaughtered Russian Christians and clergy en masse. Even destroyed great works of Orthodox church architecture which embody the culture. The idea is to eradicate all trace of tradition and belief to replace with the party and its ideology. If the CCP took Taiwan, the same oppression and godless communist rule would afflict the Taiwanese.
>If the CCP took Taiwan, the same oppression and godless communist rule would be instated
based
>the Taiwanese
the KMT genocided the Taiwanese you historylet. Taiwan is populated by Chinese. it's literally part of China
Based is a hip hop slang word that comes from an American rapper named Brandon McCartney AKA Lil B and it means love, truth, and positivity. Not persecuting Christians.
The United States is a Christian nation. Imprisoning and torturing families for being Christian does not bode well with the United States or with anyone who has basic humanity for others.
Not in China, Iran, North Korea. Why do you think the US is so geopolitically at odds with these nations?
My question to you is this:
Do you think the CCP is really going to try and take Taiwan?
My Taiwanese bro introduced me to milk tea. He always made a point to emphasize that Taiwan and China are not the same country.
The Chinese Communist Party persecutes Christians on a massive scale, and they threaten the Christians of Taiwan as well. Xi has stated that he does not want a war with America, that it would be too costly.
With the developments in the Holy Land amidst the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, the vast imperial war machine has a split and shifting focus across two wars. Maybe they are hoping for a third war in Taiwan. A coordinated global effort to string out American military might across too many fronts to sustainably handle is in the realm of possibility.
I talked to a pastor once who used to live in China
He told me the house churches and underground churches in China work like Zion in the matrix, the Chinese government secretly controls them but uses them as a sieve to catch those rebellious Christians that don't submit to the state church. The christians there think they are free but the chinese glowies have complete access
The Chinese government officially forces official churches to bow to the state government, including Catholics. You are seriously talking about a sci fi kung fu movie.
The underground peasant churches only exist because they are Protestant and literally anyone can start a house church. Even people who are illiterate can attend these hidden services.
The Chinese government actively hunts and demolishes them because they don't control them, they arrest and imprison people for being Christian.
Besides, I'm not trying to provoke a religious debate or discussion.
My only question was if the Taiwanese anon (
) thought it was likely that the CCP would try and take Taiwan.
>they don't control them
How do you know that for sure? The argument the Pastor made is that they are honey traps.
I will only indulge this because you are polite and respectful.
Because it is Protestant, which means the priesthood of all believers.
So anyone can read the Bible and discern it, plant a brand new church, and lead it.
Say my brother in Christ in rural China decides to start an underground house church at his house tomorrow.
Would this just church magically become a "honey trap" and the CCP telepathically turns it into one?
No, the open precedent is to arrest the believers and destroy the churches as well when discovered.
What you said about your kung fu movie is weird, Zion is a word from the Bible, not a movie.
They also call them "underground Heavens" so calling it Zion is not too strange.
It is possible that CCP agents as you say are being converted to Christ.
That would create a complicated political situation, like you say.
But it's absurd to say that it is impossible to be underground.
your mistake is imagining China in a western context.
China is a digitalized society where smartphones and digital payments are used for everything. Cash does not exist like it does in the west, this is done on purpose so the government can have eyes on everyone
I already know how the CCP system works with surveillance, chat/payment apps, travel restrictions, facial recognition. As well as the internet firewall, I sometimes use an open source VPN that was designed to circumvent it.
You think that's intense, consider Snowden and PRISM. Domestic syping in the United States on our own people. Nothing we do online is private because the ISPs and the feds are in bed together. Yet it's not omniscient, it is an artificial human creation.
Especially out in the countryside, where many people are simply not connected to the internet. Even here in Alabama. Not going to tag the Taiwan anon again, should have kept it short and sweet then made a new post instead of rambling on like this. It is just very fascinating and also important to discuss, because the invasion of Taiwan could incite a global war.
>The underground peasant churches only exist because they are Protestant
No, they exist because in order to be a Christian in China you have to be tied to the Chinese government for basically everything, the Chinese government outright looks over your sermons to make sure what you're preaching does not bring harm to the Chinese government in any way, you have to side with the Chinese government over the Vatican in pretty much anything, and as of the past few years China has been wanting to rewrite bits of the Bible or even reinterpret it so that it plays into propping up the government and Chinese Constructionist and Buddhist values rather than Christianity.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/chinese-textbook-rewrites-bible-claims-jesus-stoned-woman-to-death.html
https://www2.cbn.com/news/news/communist-china-reportedly-rewriting-bible-and-calling-jesus-sinner-thats-not-all
It's why the pope has to tiptoe around many issues with China, and it's why the pope constantly acknowledges the underground church rather than the state church.
https://time.com/5407912/china-vatican/
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20201022-bad-faith-china-s-underground-catholics-wary-of-vatican-deal
https://opinion.inquirer.net/162779/chinas-patriotic-and-underground-catholics
Yes, other denominations by virtue of not being Catholic have to go underground because you are either part of the Chinese state-run church or nothing, but it's not just because they're Protestant.
>What you said about your kung fu movie is weird,
Have you honestly never seen The Matrix? Zion is known to exist by the Machines, they're just trying to find its location throughout all of the second movie to kill the remains of humanity. His example is that the Chinese government (The Machines) knows Christian underground churches exist (Zion and the people taken out of The Matrix), they just don't know where to get rid of them so that they can rule the world (Chinese state-run churches).
You know I see dumbass headlines and I think. Who the fuck would believe this obviously untrue shit.
Then you go posting this thread.