Taiwan amphibious assault

What would be the contingency if the PLA tried to land and just... failed to establish a beachhead? The Entente and the Allies had some terrible landings in World War 1 and 2 even with their militaries' extensive naval traditions, meanwhile the PLA-N basically has none.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Well what else could they do? There's obviously no land border and no way to support aerial assaults in the long term, the only way is to do a naval landing. So no, there is no contingency plan.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So would they go full Cadorna and try the same thing 12 times or would there be a coup?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        After one failure, even if the US hadn't declared war on China, there would be a massive increase in US aircraft based in Taiwan with no real international opposition and the implicit understanding that a second landing fleet would be bombed to pieces by them
        There's so little room for error in a potential Chinese invasion that you would somehow need a stone cold guarantee of no foreign intervention to greenlight it

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes we know exactly how China will do it.

    No we won't tell you, glowgay, go get your crowdsourced solutions elsewhere.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Well, first of all they wouldn’t be doing a contested amphibious assault to begin with. China (indirectly) bought a Taiwanese port a while ago so the beachhead will be established via civilian shipping clandestinely. The U.S. was quite aghast at that development but Taiwan is basically a 5th column Chinese colony anyway at this point so what can you do? They’d only have to consider an amphibious assault if Taiwan shut down the Chinese-owned port, ie, the U.S. alerted them to an imminent threat and the 5th column couldn’t block the shut-down. But even as a plan B amphibious assault Taiwan basically stands no chance not with the insane overmatch of firepower and the fact that every single thing of strategic value on the island has been thoroughly mapped out by the PLA so Taiwan will likely only have the most basic shit with which to try and repulse a landing while 5th columnists and CCP agents wreak havoc in the government and behind the lines.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >They’d only have to consider an amphibious assault if Taiwan shut down the Chinese-owned port, ie, the U.S. alerted them to an imminent threat and the 5th column couldn’t block the shut-down.
      Or it could be blown up

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >They’d only have to consider an amphibious assault if Taiwan shut down the Chinese-owned port,
      Why would assume all manners of foul play would be utilized to either remove Chinese influence from the port the minute this became a problem or just have the port destroyed/occupied immediately shit popped off.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Possession is 9/10ths of the law. Chinese ownership of the port can be stripped within seconds and they'd have nothing they could do about it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >so the beachhead will be established via civilian shipping clandestinely
      Please stop.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You stop. China runs a fricking port on Taiwan. China loads of some of their many, many, MANY merchant transports and Chinese port authorities on BOTH SIDES OF THE STRAIGHT collude to hide this movement from public registry. It’s probably already being used for small-scale things. A look a marine regiment suddenly appears on Taiwan one morning what a crazy surprise! The CHINESE PORT WORKERS have their roles all plotted out for maximum efficiency as they work together with the PLA to quickly secure the port facility and get ready to receive an influx of troops from the mainland via their MASSIVE merchant fleet which they may now use freely BECAUSE THEY RUN A FRICKING PORT IN TAIWAN. Is it sinking in how big of a deal that is? BTW, China also tried buying ports in the US and the US government laughed in their face. It’s a ludicrously massive security issue, and the very fact that Taiwan agreed to the sale is proof of just how far into the CCP’s pocket they are. You think Taiwan is going to mount some amazing heroic all-hands-on-deck defense? If so get ready for disappointment,

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >ALL CAPS to MAKE UP for a LACK OF REASONED THOUGHT
          Is it a security issue? Sure.
          Can they use it to gain a beachhead? lolno.
          Look into what is required to gain a beachhead.
          They could definitely smuggle some SF in, to aid in preparing a real landing. But they can't ship an army into the port without detection, especially considering that port is likely already under surveillance anyhow.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Neither will this go unnoticed, nor will Taiwan allow itself to fall for this and the Taiwanese navy with their attack submarines will not cease to exist because few terrorists left a lot of keyholes in some random port.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          anon do you not know how a beach head is formed
          like, logistically.
          do you know what that looks like.

          I ask because you seem to think typical port traffic, even over an extended period of time, can be disguised as such, but that's fricking moronic.
          Taiwan leased the port full well knowing the security implications, or do you think they're just moronic.
          >uhhh actually the CCP owns Taiwan and 5th column and so it just works XDDD
          and a fine ching chong to you today, sir

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            NTA but almost half of Taiwan would fold immediately to a Chinese invasion and the KMT is in the pockets of China.
            As for the port itself though. I don't believe that China actually own the entire port (Kaosiung Port), since it's still listed as owned by a Taiwan state company. They own a few terminals though.
            Taiwan needs a huge overhaul of its government, military, and demographics to stand a chance against the Chinese. Deportation of the chinks who came after 1949 would be a start. Joining Japan should be next.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >KMT is in the pockets of China
              Whi exactly is it that you are attempting to gaslight?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >NTA but almost half of Taiwan would fold immediately to a Chinese invasion
              I remember Russia simps saying this in early February 2022

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >KMT is in the pockets of China
                Whi exactly is it that you are attempting to gaslight?

                Ukraine is made up of whites while Taiwan is made up of chinks. Some chinks are reformed into Taiwanese, some aren't and remain chinks.
                Chinks are cowardly and deceiving because these are the evolved traits that allows one to survive throughout Chinese history.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >hundreds of PLA vehicles suddenly appear on the loading bay of this one chinese harbor in taiwan
          >thousands of PLA troops in full combat gear
          >no one notices
          we're lucky the rest of the world isn't as moronic as you, anon

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >the chinese will SNEAK into taiwan province trought ther super secret port
          >that everyone knows about
          I am sure that the Taiwanese haven't figured this out and will be totality blindsided when a container ship docks and surprise all those containers are actually chinese tanks

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you think they keep their marines frozen on standby inside refrigerator containers like some bugs?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >like some bugs?
            >like

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >just sneak an entire army through a single port bro
          >transport thousands of men, vehicles, ammunition, and equipment without anybody knowing
          >nobody will notice bro
          You're a fricking moron.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, not how it works, bro.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So China's plan is the plot of World in Conflict.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do you think real life works like World In Conflict anon? Unloading a civilian ship, even a Ro/Ro takes hours and hours, the ship and its contents would be blown up well before they could ever get half of it unloaded from 'civilian' shipping. Plus that isnt what China's prepping for if you look at the amphibious assault ships and LCACs they've been building, they're going to go for an overt assault.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      when russia invaded ukraine they had to stage thousends of tanks, IFVs, artillery, move hundreds of thousends of people from across the country, and the whole world knew well in advance what was going to happen (despite zelensky not believing the warnings he got).
      china would have to do the same thing with a lot more assets, while everyone has their satellites looking at them.
      the odds of a successful amphibious landing under this premise are really low.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You stop. China runs a fricking port on Taiwan. China loads of some of their many, many, MANY merchant transports and Chinese port authorities on BOTH SIDES OF THE STRAIGHT collude to hide this movement from public registry. It’s probably already being used for small-scale things. A look a marine regiment suddenly appears on Taiwan one morning what a crazy surprise! The CHINESE PORT WORKERS have their roles all plotted out for maximum efficiency as they work together with the PLA to quickly secure the port facility and get ready to receive an influx of troops from the mainland via their MASSIVE merchant fleet which they may now use freely BECAUSE THEY RUN A FRICKING PORT IN TAIWAN. Is it sinking in how big of a deal that is? BTW, China also tried buying ports in the US and the US government laughed in their face. It’s a ludicrously massive security issue, and the very fact that Taiwan agreed to the sale is proof of just how far into the CCP’s pocket they are. You think Taiwan is going to mount some amazing heroic all-hands-on-deck defense? If so get ready for disappointment,

      I love when someone pokes holes in a morons magical thinking because they instantly flip the frick out. There's no gradual ramping up of emotion. They go 0 to 100 instantly.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      First of all, they cannot fail to establish a beachhead uness the entire strike force+fleet is completely neutralized. Even if it's still knee deep at low tide on day 1, it will be on dry land by day 2 and secured by day 3 Unless the entire force is destroyed via air or naval missillery, the Taiwanese have no way to defend against the manpower and airpower China can bring to the beach.
      That said, it is entirely possible that the Chinese can be adequately contained indefinitely at a beachhead if they have enough air support and the Taiwanee get get enough troops to the fortifications. It's not like Normandy, you can't just hike in anywhere on the coastline, the routes inland are highly constrained.
      >clandestinely
      nah. If that port is used it will be becuase Taiwan voted to reunify with China and the takeover is proceeding in peace. China has stated many times that its stragetgy is to pursue a 'soft reconciliation' and undermine the independents until they can orchestrate a peaceful handover, like what happened in Crimea except it will actually be something worth doing and not a barren shithole.
      I think the lastest official date for this is by or before 2048. The Chinese are not Russians, they will not go to war for stupid reasons or unless they know they can't lose

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >First of all, they cannot fail to establish a beachhead uness the entire strike force+fleet is completely neutralized.
        Bruh

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Absolute fact. You would have to sink or chase every Chinese vessel over the horizon and kill/capture all the ground troops. Can't be done unless the entire Chinese missile and air corps go on vacation that day

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You would have to sink or chase every Chinese vessel over the horizon and kill/capture all the ground troops. Can't be done
            Sounds like a challenge anon

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So a 50% loss of all sea and land assets wouldn't frick the beachhead? Only every last single boat before it's done? I don't think so anon.
            You can only have so many boats schwacked before you lose the ability to supply that beachhead adequately.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >50% loss of all sea and land assets wouldn't
              Nope. Remember China has more boats on the way. All they need is one dumb motherfricker to dig his heels in and live until the next day with sea to shore support, and the 50% is now 100% again, plus ice cream, if they're smart.
              I mean, realistically, If I showed up to a beachhead and got pasted that bad in a couple of hours, I would probably rethink the entire plan and glass the fricking beach until I had a ramp into Taipei, but it's possible until you run piyt of men. Remember is WWI Japs held entire islands for days and weeks with as little as 8 men, just by surviving and being a pain in the ass to the Amelicans, and the Japs had no support, no supply line. The lone Chinaman on Taiwan Beach has an entire developed country coming in hot after him if that's what they want to do

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's not what a beachhead is.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >beachhead
                Dictionary
                Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
                beach·head
                /ˈbēCHˌ(h)ed/
                noun
                a defended position on a beach taken from the enemy by landing forces, from which an attack can be launched.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                1 man does not a beachhead make

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >more boats on the way
                You don't just warm a boat up for supporting an amphibious landing in a day, anon. It takes time and resources to pull a vessel out of standby, and they're not going to be holding much back on their first swing.

                If half the ships they could throw across the strait on day one get sunk, that's a very significant chunk of their supply capacity, and all the diehard chinamen willing to hold a beach to the last man in the world won't do any good without food and shells. You can work through serious land losses, but only to an extent. Iwo Jima took one in three. 50% or over you struggle to be combat effective at all, even if your theoretical marines are all suicidal with zero morale considerations, which they're not.

                You chose a kinda dumb hill to die on with this topic.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Please skim the wiki page on the Battle of Guadalcanal before posting anything else on this topic.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >First of all, they cannot fail to establish a beachhead uness the entire strike force+fleet is completely neutralized
        damn, and I thought mr "the PLA will sneak into Tiawan through a commercial port" was the most moronic anon in this thread
        There is one one piece of Chinese equipment that the Taiwanese have to destroy to make any Chinese landing completely impossible and it is rather helpfully also the largest, slowest and most vulnerable naval asset that the Chinese will have in theatre - their floating harbour
        knock out the mulberries and the whole landing is a bust until they can build a new one and try again

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      so.. the entire chinese gameplan is rely on World In Conflict logic, and hope they can offload most of their military in a civilian port, and remain unmolested while performing the task of offloading military supplies from civilian freighters that are built primarily for cargo containers and not for offloading supplies longshoremen style.
      and in doing this, violate several of the currently established Laws of the Sea, possibly leaving the rest of their fishing and merchant fleets at the mercy of the world who would likely seize or destroy them.

      Do you understand how fricking moronic that sounds? Let me break it down for you
      >If the Chinese load their military kit onto civilian freighters at a civilian port.
      >Every satellite the United States has watching those ports, at this moment in time, will see the buildup, regardless if it's day or night.
      >Foreign sailors that are getting cargo loaded or offloaded from their boats will likely see whats going on and will probably just take cellphone videos out of curiosity and put them on social media. Therefore breaking the chain of secrecy wide the frick open.
      >Not even accounting for random Chinese citizens taking videos and going, "huh, what's going on?"

      >If the Chinese load their military kit onto civilian freighters at a military port
      >Every sat will still pick it up, and the international community will probably be asking questions about why tf civilian freighters are onloading and offloading military kit.

      >Now lets assume the boats reach open water and are heading to Taiwan
      >The second they cross the maritime lines, the Taiwanese Navy is probably going to go over and check them out because they have radar buoys that'll be sending pings for unknown vessels in their waters.
      >These vessels will likely be stopped, and at first a request to board will be made as per international maritime law.
      >If refused and the boats continue their trajectory, they'll be forcefully boarded. [1/??]

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >If the boats show any hostility, they get blown tf out of the water and every alarm is raised across Taiwan for military preparedness. GG.

        >Well they are just going to goto a civilian port owned by the PRC!
        >The PRC does not control the Port Authority, they do not control the inspection teams, they do not control the crane systems, and furthermore the second an alarm is raised by "THEY GOT GUNSHIPS! I REPEAT THEY HAVE GUNSHIPS!" will have the entire port earmarked for rapid response forces which will make the task of unloading supplies at said port nearly fricking impossible.

        Anon, I know you are some ChiCom or moronic Maoist fifth columnist somewhere in the world, but let me blunt. You do not understand basic maritime warfare or logistics, and it shows. Cut it the frick out and pickup that is actually worth a damn.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So... looking at how Russia did it's 3-day SMO back in Feb '22
      And taking into consideration the well established fact that the Chinese are even more comically inept than the Russians...

      It's going to be a shitshow. Chinese talk enough shit to even get mocked by the Russians themselves with ''China's final warning!''
      Would love to see those auto-suicide helmets in action in 1080p on catbox, though!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I work at a port and this is a delusional scenario.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ah yes, the world in conflict strat.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >aiwan is basically a 5th column Chinese colony anyway at this point so what can you do?
      Great, so now Fat Xi doesnt have to send his insectoids to "reunify" it anymore right?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, he literally does not as many try to explain. Taiwan will be integrated via soft-power and 5th column development. There was a recent break in the trend of China takeover grooming but don’t worry that’ll be fixed. /k/ fantasizes over an an armed invasion but it’ll simply not happen. What will happen is that one day Taiwan will vote for some soft-reunification scheme and the only chance it turns violent is if the U.S. desperately tries to counter it by supporting a resistance movement. Who knows maybe the resistance is run by 5th columnists too in order to request security assistance from China.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >will be
          According to Beijing's plans. Reality may very well not be so accommodating.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I hope it won't. Slow takeover by exploiting self serving morons is gay

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Taiwan occupies the port
      >Taiwan blows the port up
      >Taiwan zeros in on the port and waits for the Chinese ships to arrive
      I don't really see how that port changes anything.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      implessive

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I will tell you what they are going to do.
    1st hour: destroy TSMC
    2nd hour: US suddenly declares that it will not interfere with China's civil war.
    >
    2nd day: coup in Taiwan province.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Destroying TSMC is the single most moronic thing they could possibly do. Dropping a nuke somewhere else on the island would probably have less geopolitical consequences. Taiwan is more likely (still incredibly unlikely) to destroy it as part of scorched earth policy than China is to destroy it intentionally. What other point would there be to occupy Taiwan other than to gain control over semiconductor industry?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >What other point would there be to occupy Taiwan other than to gain control over semiconductor industry?
        pull an Falklands and try to prop up a flagging unpopular domestic regime that is afraid it can lose power any day now buy scoring a nationalistic military win.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Still no reason to destroy TSMC in this scenario. It's not going to force Taiwan to surrender in a situation where they wouldn't have otherwise, and would just piss off the rest of the world even further.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/hJpOENX.jpeg

        >destroy TSMC

        LMAO that would completely destroy their entire economy. At least rest of the world still has Samsung or Intel fabs even if they are worse while chinks are 99% reliant on TSMC and their domestic chips are 5-6 years behind.

        This is why people thinking that invasion of Taiwan is a realistic scenario are just idiots.

        >b-but Ukraine!!!

        Ukraine means nothing for world economy. Hell it meant nothing of European economy. Taiwan is a million times more important.

        lmao
        the US keep sanctioning Chinese chip companies so TSMC is becoming increasingly worthless for the CCP.

        Let see. you have something very important to you but worthless for me right next to my doorstep. You'd better suck my dick your precious fab will be in smokes.
        And there is not a single thing you can do about it.

        > 99% reliant on TSMC
        fricking moronic island chink. TSMC revenue globally is 70 billion dollars last year. China imported 300 dollars worth of chips. And they are close to making 75% of their domestic need, advanced or not. in 2025.
        learn math better or your father will disown you, Tsai.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They are expected to produce 25% by 2030 you completely moron. They are currently #5 in production while being by far the largest consumer.

          Not to mention CPUs and GPUs they make domestically fricking suck. You can literally watch their reviews on YouTube. Chinese dream of becoming independent from TSMC is a pipe dream just like US dream of becoming independent from China made components.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Stop eating propaganda.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >destroy TSMC

      LMAO that would completely destroy their entire economy. At least rest of the world still has Samsung or Intel fabs even if they are worse while chinks are 99% reliant on TSMC and their domestic chips are 5-6 years behind.

      This is why people thinking that invasion of Taiwan is a realistic scenario are just idiots.

      >b-but Ukraine!!!

      Ukraine means nothing for world economy. Hell it meant nothing of European economy. Taiwan is a million times more important.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >that would completely destroy their entire economy.
        That would destroy the world's economy, bubba. Like 2 generations of chaos, famine and war, unironically.
        Unless Uncle Sugar and Intel can get their mothballed+new design fabs pumping again before TSMC croaks

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What that would actually mean is that the remaining silicon production stays in the rich countries that can afford it and everyone else no longer gets smartphones and gadgets. I’m fine with that.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Electronics are more than just semiconductors. You need PCB, heatsinks, connectors, power supplies, batteries, etc. Guess where almost all of that is being made? Yes China.

          No war is going to happen since even just blockading Taiwan is going to ruin both sides.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >What would be the contingency if the PLA tried to land and just... failed to establish a beachhead?

      The only way they can do it by force of arms is glassing the place. Alternatively, glassing Taipei + German Invasion of Norway style pre-positioned SOF seizing critical infrastructure and doing Tet Offensive terror stuff to facilitate that + further nuclear blackmail to induce capitulation.

      They could take it intact and they would find a way to accidentally frick up the machinery themselves, their mainland initiatives to compete with TSMC were entirely embezzled because it was a fools game from the outset, so why not?

      You stop. China runs a fricking port on Taiwan. China loads of some of their many, many, MANY merchant transports and Chinese port authorities on BOTH SIDES OF THE STRAIGHT collude to hide this movement from public registry. It’s probably already being used for small-scale things. A look a marine regiment suddenly appears on Taiwan one morning what a crazy surprise! The CHINESE PORT WORKERS have their roles all plotted out for maximum efficiency as they work together with the PLA to quickly secure the port facility and get ready to receive an influx of troops from the mainland via their MASSIVE merchant fleet which they may now use freely BECAUSE THEY RUN A FRICKING PORT IN TAIWAN. Is it sinking in how big of a deal that is? BTW, China also tried buying ports in the US and the US government laughed in their face. It’s a ludicrously massive security issue, and the very fact that Taiwan agreed to the sale is proof of just how far into the CCP’s pocket they are. You think Taiwan is going to mount some amazing heroic all-hands-on-deck defense? If so get ready for disappointment,

      >You think Taiwan is going to mount some amazing heroic all-hands-on-deck defense? If so get ready for disappointment,

      Reds taking over your country = 30% of the population ethnically/class cleansed. They had better plan on it.

      First of all, they cannot fail to establish a beachhead uness the entire strike force+fleet is completely neutralized. Even if it's still knee deep at low tide on day 1, it will be on dry land by day 2 and secured by day 3 Unless the entire force is destroyed via air or naval missillery, the Taiwanese have no way to defend against the manpower and airpower China can bring to the beach.
      That said, it is entirely possible that the Chinese can be adequately contained indefinitely at a beachhead if they have enough air support and the Taiwanee get get enough troops to the fortifications. It's not like Normandy, you can't just hike in anywhere on the coastline, the routes inland are highly constrained.
      >clandestinely
      nah. If that port is used it will be becuase Taiwan voted to reunify with China and the takeover is proceeding in peace. China has stated many times that its stragetgy is to pursue a 'soft reconciliation' and undermine the independents until they can orchestrate a peaceful handover, like what happened in Crimea except it will actually be something worth doing and not a barren shithole.
      I think the lastest official date for this is by or before 2048. The Chinese are not Russians, they will not go to war for stupid reasons or unless they know they can't lose

      Mount Suribachi except orders of magnitude larger plastering the beaches non-stop.

      I've ran many, I mean many, scenarios in CMO. The Taiwanese Air Force is frightfully underarmed and cannot maintain air superiority over the strait. They will lose hard against Chinese air. The Taiwanese Navy needs to be already operating out of Japanese or Philippino ports at the start of the conflict to have any chance of surviving and having an effect.
      Taiwan's military is dire, I mean dire need of strengthening and reform, and the mentality of their citizentry needs to change as well to be more militaristic and nationalistic. They think they're living in a safe, democratic country like S.Korea or Japan, instead of inside a literal frontline fortress a strait away from largest bully in the neighborhood who has casus belli on them.
      Western liberals will disagree with me.

      >The Taiwanese Air Force is frightfully underarmed and cannot maintain air superiority over the strait.

      Overrated. Taiwan (and Japan) have nukes. They weren't just doing 'nuclear energy' cooperation all those decades. CCP can't survive actual consequences of finding out after fricking around on this scale and are up for a rude awakening that will make the 'special military operation' look like it was planned by von Moltke the Elder.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > their mainland initiatives to compete with TSMC were entirely embezzled
        their effort increases their domestic chip output from 17% to 50% by the end of this year since 2019
        How much chips/fabs did the US produce since 2019 when the chip war started?
        I'll tell you how many: ZERO . FRICKING ZERO. ZIP. NADA

        the fabs are still being "constructed" and are expected to start producing "next year" since 2021. How did that 50 billion dollars TSMC fab go? That Foxconn factory?
        But of course, because stock buy back is legal there for there is no corruption and graft.
        KWAB
        The US is a fricking joke.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >People's WEBM #3

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >we can make more dogshit 40nm chips now!!! look how successful the big fund was!!!
          You are literally moronic and should consider killing yourself.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >we don't need extra 100 billion more domestic output. We need three fabs that will be ready "next year" every year and 100 billion dollars for stock buyback
            let me help. kitchen knife. along the neck. vertically.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >whatabout, with tinges of ESL
              Nobody cares, you "people" are still decades behind with no hope of catching up except by using what western WFE is left in the mainland. All mainland chip manufacturing programs to date have been failures except for the shit the world has been producing at scale since the 70s.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The failures of our attempts to revitalize domestic chip manufacturing thus far have been mostly bureaucratic in nature. In a scenario where it actually starts to matter, our government will be more than willing to waive environmental impact report and DEI initiative requirements.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >can't make the current gen high end chips
          >ASLM is nearly done with the next gen lithography machines
          >ASLM is also developing new techniques to get even better chips
          Chan it isn't the fab that is the bottleneck but the machines that go in them. Those machines are all first/western world.
          I'm sure that the japs will give you all of the things they produce for the process or that the Dutch will send all the machines the Taiwanese have ordered straight to bejing.
          This is why china bucks and will keep sucking. The ccp doesn't have friends only enemies and slaves. And the ccp can't make you it's slave abroad.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >muh aslm
            You don’t know enough to have an opinion on this. Not a single country besides China is self sufficient to make every single component within its border to make chips of any size let alone 14nm chip.
            The fact that they can should make a non monkey shit bricks. But you are a monkey so.

            https://i.imgur.com/fOy2pcB.png

            Stop eating propaganda.

            >propaganda
            > Qualcomm, Broadcom making chips
            >conflating intel total business with pure play fabs
            Just have a nice day

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >von Moltke the Elder
        >dis homie seris ain't nobody frick wim rb fr fr no cap

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nerdrage and spam nukes like they're playing some RTS

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They're trying to absorb Taiwan not destroy it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And if they can't absorb it what do you think the alternative is?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >noooook
          No moron, not how it works.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You've got no levity in you at all

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Espionage
          They can't destroy it because they're trying to "unify" China

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    people shit on the russians but the taiwanese military seems like a joke tbh

    there was a vid last year of TW conscripts throwing rocks trying to down a chinese drone because they had been issued zero EW or anti-drone, and that was at a hotspot for fighting (kinmen island)

    they're gonna need to double their spending to even stand a chance of sinking some ships

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Taiwan can afford to not be a world power because their job of defending against invasion is fairly simple...and will be backed by allies that come to their support if war does kick off.
      Everyone will know the Chinese are coming weeks before the operation even begins.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And the US fricking screamed about having solid intel Russia invading in 2022 and everyone including Ukraine chose not to believe them, like US was just trying to be hysterical or something. Like Macron went to talk to his cool friend Putin who assured them everything is fine. That’s reality, that’s real. The US alerting the world doesn’t necessarily mean anything if ignoring it is easier than actual,y having to do something about a threat. I know it SOUNDS absurd but that LITERALLY happened just a few years ago. Ukraine, a country literally at war with Russia, suffering occupation by Russia after having been INVADED by Russia just 8 years prior actually decided not to listen to the warning. I mean, hello?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lets say its day 3, the air war continues but the invasion beaches are full of smoking ruins, with thousands of chinese troops now prisoners and multiple ships sunk or surrendered in Taiwanese waters....

    I imagine China would just re-group and try again in a few weeks, pulling more shipping in, while expanding their air bombing and missile attacks to more civilian targets in the meantime. The chinese leadership wouldn't accept the humiliation of failing to defeat Taiwan, and they have plenty of people to throw at the problem.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Plenty of troops are useless without plenty of ships.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >send in the 56th wave!

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >china namba wa-ACKKKKK

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Cope plates are so stupid, they always fail and drag it down the instant they do. You would think that one of the 2-3 nations that are currently capable of making a proper water jet would know better.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >he thinks this doesn't happen to AAV's and LAV25's

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Try to blockade the island to the best off their ability as they degrade Taiwans military and civilian infrastructure. Hoping to degrade the defenses faster than a relief force can be mustered. Before trying again under the extreme pressure of having to plan this on very short notice with a lot of ships dedicated to the blockade and being in a shooting war with the US, Taiwan, Japan and other interested parties.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If the US meddles to make China lose in Taiwan, China will hulk out and go on a landgrab spree taking at first Mongolia then a new country every week until the US allows reunification of China

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Well, Mongolia exists as a buffer zone between China and Russia... So that's loaded with implications. Vietnam isn't a push over, neither is Thailand... Laos and Cambodia, maybe, but those are some irrelevant shit holes. They could try to push thr DMZ and invade South Korea with the Norks, but the DMZ is heavily fortified and they'd get the shit bombed out of them.

      I always account for moronation and don't doubt that China could be stupid enough to try... It's just the winning part that is impossible.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What would be the contingency if the PLA tried to land and just... failed to establish a beachhead?
    Do nothing and hope the human alliance sticks to just posting .webms of Chinese men dying humiliating, gory deaths rather than counter-attacking.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've ran many, I mean many, scenarios in CMO. The Taiwanese Air Force is frightfully underarmed and cannot maintain air superiority over the strait. They will lose hard against Chinese air. The Taiwanese Navy needs to be already operating out of Japanese or Philippino ports at the start of the conflict to have any chance of surviving and having an effect.
    Taiwan's military is dire, I mean dire need of strengthening and reform, and the mentality of their citizentry needs to change as well to be more militaristic and nationalistic. They think they're living in a safe, democratic country like S.Korea or Japan, instead of inside a literal frontline fortress a strait away from largest bully in the neighborhood who has casus belli on them.
    Western liberals will disagree with me.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >CMANO
      >casus belli
      post filtered and ignored

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >South Korea doesn't live next to a highly militarized belligerent nation which does not recognize its right to exist

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        South Korean society is highly militarized and nationalistic, unlike Taiwan, and their opponent is far less powerful than China.

        >CMANO
        >casus belli
        post filtered and ignored

        kys chink

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Weird how the highly nationalistic and militarized society NEVER goes on combat deployment and refuses to join Freedom of Navigation ops. Strange that they have reunified with the North by force after all these decades.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm explaining why I'm not worried about S.Korea being taken over by the North while I am *rightfully* worried about Taiwan's defense against China. Read the whole thread.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    90% of the population are within 150 miles of the coast of china, why even try to invade the island when you can just launch missiles/fighters/drones at them?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because the PRC considers them Chinese nationals that should be under the rule of the CCP

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >TMSC makes Taiwan important
    This is a zoomer meme and will forever be a zoomer meme. Anyone who says this is either a liberal or is under the age of 30.
    Taiwan's importance because it's a vital link of the First Island chain, which is needed to contain chink expansion.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Taiwan's military is an a solute fricking joke and the Chinese would roll ashore practically uncontested. This wouldn't stop them from losing half of their invasion force anyway. Tgis does not matter because Taiwan's states strategy is to destroy their chip manufacturing plants in the event of invasion and until China can get their own chips they're fricked. Chinese strategy is long term subterfuge and steady soft power take over, to include infiltration of political and economic snd demographic spheres of influence over a few decades. This strategy honestly will probably work, but 20 years from now China will probably be engulfed in a cannibal themed Civil War amongst Whinnie's friends after he dies so it's a moot point.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Power is just boiled water
    >Little bit of water instantly complicates military plans to an insane degree (English channel being smaller but just as complicating)
    >Every living thing requires water
    >And expels water

    I am not in a mood to make some kind of a smug water pepe but water can't stop winning.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    China would never invade because the greedy globhohomos would make sure China's economy would be severely damaged.

    Nobody beats globalization.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    BTW I hope everyone gets that Taiwan’s military isn’t serious. I mean, yes, the PLA capabilities are highly suspect but they at least have a very large arsenal and massive industrial lead. The PLA being garbage today doesn’t mean they can’t be whipped into a some sort of shape for the sake of an invasion in a couple of years. The Taiwanese military isn’t just garbage, it’s basically a joke. Not a serious combat organization, acquisitions far, FAR below the threat level they face, weapons utterly inadequate. Like their laughable costal artillery and guys running around the coast in Humvees mounted with TOWs. They must either be fully expecting US protection or the 5th column has successfully destroyed their military institutions.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Entente and the Allies had some terrible landings in World War 1
    They were using ROWBOATS for WW1 landings

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What would be the contingency if the PLA tried to land
    My brother in Christ, it would be the same as their contingency for protecting those aid workers in Sudan. Or their emergency plan if Shih Huang Tzi returns from the land of the dead at the head of the terracotta army, if he launches an assault to press his claim on the throne.
    1949 was SEVENTY-FIVE FRICKING YEARS ago, and how have China's oft-stated-yet-never-enforced claims to Taipei gone in all that time? They'll throw a hissy fit to save face, but come on.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >let me help. kitchen knife. along the neck. vertically

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They'll just gain it politically by constantly undermining the existing political parties and slowly pushing more & more changes that make it impossible to opt out.
    Just look at that recent "funny video" of one Taiwanese politician grabbing a new bill off a table before it gets signed few days ago. Because it turns out KMT coalition are total mainland puppets that just pass anything they get demanded for and that was yet another bill that erodes the rights of the country even more without other parties even getting a vote on it.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    throw a tantrum and start blowing up all the civilian infrastructure?

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