Tactical implications of the 73 yom kippur air war and 82 lebanon air war and more recent air skirmishes in regards to the current air status for Israel in a defensive air war
Is there any aircraft from any country that can btfo isreali jammers?
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Seems like in 00s and 10s and 20s, isreali pilots do pretty well and have good aircraft
So what are they just all isekai protags? Or do they actually get in that many flight hours to be that skilled? Or other such training factors.
They're fighting shit tier enemies (Arabs) most of the time, so it's not particularly surprising. It's the same reason all of WW2's top aces were German: those guys were all on the eastern front fighting Soviets
Eh, arab they may be but they are still pilots, they were trained (in russia) but still knew how to fly the plane, and some were good, cause isreal had losses in pre BVR era
Hans-Joachim Marseille scored his 158 aerial victories exclusively against the western allies
Stop being a pedantic fuck, will you?
no.
> A german ace is named "Marseille".
Is there no allied ace named Berlin?
We're ignoring the case in which the Israelis went up against 24 Soviet flown MiG-21s with 12 Mirage IIIs and 4 F-4Es and won, aren't we?
the funniest part is that reportedly Nasser was pleased with the outcome only because the Soviet advisors had been so obnoxious to Egyptian pilots that watching them finally get their asses handed to them delighted the Egyptians.
>everyone I disagree with is a Joo
take a long walk off a short pier /misc/estinian
pretty funny story
Migs are fucking trash and always have been
also I heard a theory that many CIA pilots flew for israel during that war
We know who the Israeli pilots were. They’re pretty famous. That’s just neverserved cope. Maybe Arab cope
Israel does have a good airforce ,but its not out of the question for CIA to do some cheeky shit like that to kill some soviets/ soviet planes
how is it cope? I literally said migs are trash, Arabs and Russians are retarded.
The CIA has never maintained a fighter pulot core, it is always recon pilots and in the time period you refer to they would be flying U2s and SR71s. Also you can literally look up the fucking pilots
It's easy to budget flight hours when all your gear is paid for by Daddy
But isn't "all" paid for by daddy, US aid covers 15% of the defense budget
So how come isreali pilots have multi chain kills or maybe a dozen or more a2a manned kills shared between them but the USAF has one in 2017 and one in 1999? When is the US going to enter a hot air war?
Tactical implications of being invaded by a herd of dudes with AKs and sandals backed up by a squad of paragliders?
Back when Israel sieged and bombed Beirut in 82, Ronald Reagan (lol) told the Israeli prime minister that he was perpetrating a Holocaust.
Today we see nothing like this, the US government continues to provide support to Israel.
So it seems like the end result of the Al aqsa storm was to give Israel an almost unprecedented room to maneuver in Gaza, Iran and co seem to continue to sit on the sidelines and the response from the Arab states that could actually pressure the US and Israel is so far limited.
All in all pretty dumb, it's incredible to think how much better things could have gone had the militants not gone on a rampage and limited themselves to military targets.
>Back when Israel sieged and bombed Beirut in 82, Ronald Reagan (lol) told the Israeli prime minister that he was perpetrating a Holocaust.
This sounds like bullshit.
>noooo it doesn't fit in with the infographs that the internet fed me!
why are yids incapable of not giving themselves away? Do they all have sub 90 IQ? I thought j*ws were smart until 8th October, then I realized they're actually just sand naggers propped up by the west
I'm actually not a big fan of Israel, I just don't buy this ridiculous cope about the Palestinian situation.
Most of the people who talk about it are totally new to situation and have little knowledge of all of the other historical confrontations between Israel and Palestinians.
This time does not look particularly good for the Palestinian national movement compared to other occasions.
They got cornered the us was buying off all the Muslim states (Abraham accords) the only thing keeping them going was alotnof countries recognizing the Palestinians claim to the land. With Abraham accords the US paid the other country’s to acknowledge its Israel’s land so it would be over for the Palestinians.
Yeah, they had to act quickly in order to preserve their state of perpetual war before peace and prosperity could ruin everything.
Submitting to the israelites may be the best economic move but to them there is more to life than shekels. The Abraham accords are dead now which was their goal.
>abraham accords are dead
During the recent Arab league summit, all the Abraham accords countries plus Saudi Arabia blocked a bid to embargo Israel. There’s no way gulf states are letting Hamas dictate their national policy lmfao
Lol not Hamas, it’s their own citizens. They won’t have a choice American money can only do so much to keep unpopular monarchs and dictators in power. What percent of Saudi arabia do you think agrees with their monarchs taking American money in exchange for legitimizing Israel? Double digit?
Honestly, I assume that most regular saudis have more important things to think about on a day to day basis. I doubt that they spend every day seething about the existence of Israel and those poor, innocent Palestinians.
>What percent of Saudi arabia do you think agrees
What percent of the *monarchy* do you think gives a shit?
They don't. Only deluded children think otherwise.
> What percent of the *monarchy* do you think gives a shit?
Ask the shah
The Shah dealt with generalized widespread dissent against his legitimacy unrelated to a specific policy, a network of clerics he could never corral, and wasn't willing to completely crush the protests. Saudis don't have those problems. Saudis are happy and there is no parallel political or cultural institution to threaten them. MBS would gladly gun his people down in the streets.
Did you read what you wrote?
The Arab Spring came and went and all the Gulf monarchs are still sitting on their thrones. If grievances about stuff that actually affect their citizens' lives wasn't enough to overthrow them, I doubt the plight of some people somewhere else that they wouldn't even piss on if they were on fire will do it.
Ah yes any day now SA and Bahrain will be overthrown. Wake me up when it happens
>He cites one of the only popular revolutions against an entrenched monarchy and/or autocrat in the entirety of the Middle East in the past half century plus that worked.
Utterly toddler-tier take. The ME is not a region that operates well under threat of popular revolutions, anon. So they weather the storm with as many truncheons, bullets, and disappearances as it takes because the majority of the population simply isn't interested. When they are, they're generally dissuaded. Also see
These anons get it.
> Utterly toddler-tier take. The ME is not a region that operates well under threat of popular revolutions, anon. So they weather the storm with as many truncheons, bullets, and disappearances as it takes because the majority of the population simply isn't interested. When they are, they're generally dissuaded.
So not a big deal if they come to the west even if they become a majority Judy best them in submission and they will bet their white European masters? And I have the toddler take? They follow along if the monarchs play along pretending to be Muslim. If they start embracing Judaism, usury, degeneracy the populations will revolt. There is a difference between not caring about democracy, and not caring about their religious morality.
I'm not even meme-ing on you when I say seriously take your time to learn my language if you're going to try to argue in it.
I genuinely barely understand whatever point it is you're trying to make holy shit. That said, based on your painful ESL and focus on religion, you're probably an actual Mudslime so I'm already inclined to aggressively ignore you, fair warning.
The amount of ordinary people who actually care about affairs that aren't related to them is staggeringly small. They may not like Israel, but their dislike likely won't be to a degree where they'll overthrow their countries leadership and risk massive destabilization for themselves over it.
This is particularly true in the rentier economies of the Gulf, where the populations are substantially de-politicized. They don't really pay taxes, don't really work, get free gibs, and go about their day. Affairs of the state are left affairs of the state.
The strategy may have worked. 4 billion for Israel and 4-5 billion for Egypt and the gulf per year for 50 years plus allowing the monarchs we are paying off to run an oil cartel at our expense, plus the wars we are well into the trillions to get to the point where we think their populations will shrug off the occupation. Idk if that was worth it.
The Palestinians making a last grab at stopping it still makes sense from their pov probably tilting at windmills but they have little to loose.
Arab populations in Egypt and Jordan accept the peace treaty with Israel.
Previous accords were a snoozefest. I can't imagine KSA will have much of a problem. They may make additional demands re. Palestine to blunt critique, that's it.
You clearly don’t read Arab news. Governments of the gulf states and SA have been literally threatening thru own citizens to stop telling the government what to do since they have no core what they’re talking about and the government knows better than them.
These are not democracies, retard. Even Egypt and Jordan, whose citizens are rabidly anti Israel, are at peace with Israel and have been thru intifadas and wars already for 50 years
Images of dead Palestinian kids and their monarchs’ apathy send the “we are unworthy rulers” message. Someone is going to pick up on it.
>Non Egyptians dying will tell Egyptians that Egypt's rulers aren't good for Egypt
This is clearly cope. You’re emotionally invested so you’re dealing with the bleak present by imagining a hopeful future.
Hint: The same policy being carried out right now by Arab states, will remain for the foreseeable future. Nothing will change this because anything else destabilizes the reality of Arab regimes itself.
Nobody is coming to save you Pally.
TPD.
Interesting. Like the /misc/tards say they wouldn’t have to make it illegal if it wasn’t a problem.
There’s a shit ton of things illegal in SA that nobody there seems to have a problem with. They even got away with basically executing a western-aligned journalist.. This is just par for the course.
None of the Arab governments really care about the Palis, and openly say so off camera. They have some disagreements with Israel about post-op Gaza but all of them know this is Hamas and Iran, two entities they despise, trying to stir the pot. They just need to wear the frowny face on CNN to keep their durka populations from overthrowing them.
>The Abraham accords
The funniest thing about this whole retardation is that the accords really aren't in terrible jeopardy. The nexus that's behind this chimpout are still the same nexus the accords were partially about combating (Iran, primarily, as well as their proxies).
Why would this Iran-backed chimpout directed against a coalition being built to combat Iran make nations that hate Iran suddenly want to stop working together against Iran???
Hezbollah are in a de facto shooting war with Israel and scoring more kills than they did during any day in the Lebanon war
what TF are you talking about?
> The clashes have killed 71 Lebanese and nine Israeli soldiers, as well as 14 Lebanese and two Israeli civilians, and the displacement of 20,000 people in Lebanon.
> defensive air war
I don’t think it will come to that. israelites think they are being attacked if Candace owens wuotes a Bible. There is no way they will wait for an actual defensive situation they will wipe the Arabs planes peacefully and patriotically sitting on the runaway as usuall
Anybody over there still have mig25? Would be cool to see them along with the f14
Sadly Israeli airforce has gotten so much stronger than its enemies that they’ve essentially given up on their air forces and the only way we see new exciting engagements is if they tussle with the Russians or if somehow Egypt goes Muslim brotherhood again and starts fighting Israel
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Israel can’t into real math
Remember the 6 gorillion killed on the rollercoaster they needed to seize British Palestine
Where is this pic from? Someone wore this to Halloween? Also the RPG looks super genuine
Rewrite your question after you learn to speak English.
>tactical
do you know what that means?
whole doctrine changed, not any tactics.
some gliders
Iran and Syria have a pretty crap air force by modern standards.
Turkey, Jordan, Egypt and SA are vastly better than they used to be however.
Israel still has a qualitative advantage in the air with it's F-35s, but going up against a coalition of Arab states would be much harder than it was in 73 IMO.
I kinda wanna see Iran get Chinese fighters like J-10 and J-35 so they at least have some kind of chance against the IAF