A Finnish volunteer literally told me that they built a sauna in Ukraine but they didn't use it out of fear of thermal recon shit. He also got strafed by a Russian fighter but it got destroyed a while later. Both of these happened pretty early into the war.
If you wanna go out of your way on being miserable because you think being miserable is 'manly', be a Russian soldier
Most sane countries let their soldiers to some harmless dumb shit to keep morale up
In this case a sauna. And in case you haven't noticed, its the Ukies that currently holding out better over all.
>you think being miserable is 'manly', be a Russian soldier >Most sane countries let their soldiers to some harmless dumb shit to keep morale up
But do sane countries let their starving and underequipped soldiers rape each in the ass? I think not. Checkmate, Russia wins again.
Ukranian nationality was one born from the cossacks. Free-spirited warriors fighting against the rape hordes and polish oppressors.
Russian nationality was born from being fricked in the ass by the ruling leader and being sent to die far away. Being nothing but a cog in the machine.
At one point Russia was almost entirely self sufficient, providing for over 80% of Russia's internal demands for manufactured goods. They had the largest gold reserve in the world along with the lowest taxes and the 'Peasants State Bank' which was, to summarize, a bank offering loans at incredibly low rates of interest. This led to multiple people having farms which is why for a brief period Russia produced more cereal grains than America, Canada, and Argentina combined (these were the primary grain producers before WW1).
Now you're probably wondering where it all went wrong. You see, the Russian Tsars did not like the prospect of the Rothschild banking system. Way back in the early 1800's Tsar Alexander I rejected Nathan R's offer to set up a central bank in Russia because he knew what they would do. From that moment on Russia became a target. They held out for almost a hundred years after being on the R shit list but the Rothschilds along with the help of the United States government and Trotsky (born Lev Bronstein) instigated the Bolshevik revolution which ruined one of the greatest industrialized nations in the world
This claim breaks down the very moment you claim >Tsarist Russia
to be >industrialized
You can claim that about Moscow, Petrograd, sure, but you wanna throw that shit claim at any part of Russia that lived 10km away from the main rail line and I'll call you an absolute fricking moron.
It is barely an exaggeration to say that Russia in 1914 was about as industrialized as Germany and France were in 1848, man, even grading on a curve that shit's bad.
They were still using a system of scattershot land-strip distribution for peasant farmers in the fricking 1900s, bro, even fricking MEXICO wasn't doing that shit by then, let alone the rest of Europe. Shit was wack.
I remember reading that during WW1, German commanders made their trenches as comfortable as possible while British commanders made their trenches as uncomfortable as possible. The theory behind it was that the British had to advance to push the Germans back, so they wanted to make sure that their soldiers wouldn't stay in the trench if they had a choice. I could see Russia taking a similar approach.
What? I can't beleive they're making a sauna when the harsh eastern winter is coming. They should be exposed in the open hearing themselves with large easy to spot campfires like real soldiers!
Posted by John Doeski, Houston region Texas Oblast
If you wanna go out of your way on being miserable because you think being miserable is 'manly', be a Russian soldier
Most sane countries let their soldiers to some harmless dumb shit to keep morale up
In this case a sauna. And in case you haven't noticed, its the Ukies that currently holding out better over all.
Don't take my caption too serious, I personally find it hilarious and wonder at which front this would be possible
Morale is important, that's why America has entire units dedicated to morale-related logistics. Imagine being a Russian who doesn't have gear because it got sold to airsofters, you get captured, and as you're passing through the Ukrainian trench before you get sent off to a prison in the Western part of Ukraine you see a FRICKING SAUNA AND A COFFEE BAR in the trench.
>Commander says storm Hohol trench >Middle of night, make a run for it >Moon dimly lights the trench >Suddenly strange fog fills the surroundings >Temperature rises >Out of nowhere, naked hohols jump out and beat the shit out of me with birch branches >Claw my way out to safety >Run for my life as I hear laughter from the trench behind me >Fricking hohols
>Sino-American War of 2024 breaks out after the PLA attempts amphibious invasion of Taiwan >get deployed to Vietnam as the Vietnamese have joined the war on our side to deal with South China Sea shenanigans once and for all >FOB Frick Kissinger is completed within 24 hours much to the surprise of the VPA >fellow US servicemen are all grouchy, just as much as myself >then we hear them >the droning of CH-47s airlifting the much needed >THE MOBILE TACO BELL, KFC, BURGER KING AND SAUNA COMPLEX
>Sino-American War of 2024 breaks out after the PLA attempts amphibious invasion of Taiwan >get deployed to Vietnam as the Vietnamese have joined the war on our side to deal with South China Sea shenanigans once and for all >FOB Frick Kissinger is completed within 24 hours much to the surprise of the VPA >fellow US servicemen are all grouchy, just as much as myself >then we hear them >the droning of CH-47s airlifting the much needed >THE MOBILE TACO BELL, KFC, BURGER KING AND SAUNA COMPLEX
>Combine the powers of US and Vietnam >Now you have a tunnel system with cinema, multiple chain restaurants, an indoor spa and high speed secure wifi >Get starving Changs in jungle to have a full psychological breakdown by constantly getting ambushed from random directions by clean, perfectly manicured Allied soldiers still wearing BK crowns and sipping on a shake.
>Changs, Chongs and Dongs dragging themselves through Vietnamese jungle >suddenly Lieutenant Dong Bong Tong Long stops >do you smell that? >GORDITAS >concealed Vietnamese and American troops pop up out of their spider holes and open fire >only Private Chang Chang Chang Tong survives >wakes up in a cell opposite the underground nail salon where Vietnamese and American troops are getting mani-pedis >watches in horror at the line of Vietnamese and American troops in line to get some Baskin Robbins while eating their Nathan's Famous hot dogs >strains to look down the hallway and sees a whole fricking combination arcade/gym
You could say the damage would be...emotional.
https://i.imgur.com/LVOJRwe.jpg
>air-mobile onsen
Former military anons, especially the ones that had to do shitty occupations, how high would your bullshit tolerance be if this was waiting back at the base for you?:
I wouldn't even be annoyed when 1st Sergeant said we had to stay until 8PM just to do paperwork. I fricking love onsen.
Yeah this isn't a case of American logistics being unable to do it but more that saunas just aren't part of the culture here in general, neither are public baths. Just one of those things. We do have them at the South Pole in Antarctica.
I'd be down for hot tubs, sounds a little easier too.
Family built a big hot tub at a northern Maine family cabin, not sure if it's easier or not, a real issue is keeping the thing clean and cycling the water (and supplying that much water). Saunas strike me as more efficient on consumables and maintenance, but I'm no expert.
Jealousy and fear. Jealousy of course is obvious, but the latter matters more in some ways. Seeing people undeniably of the same kind from same conditions actually pick themselves up and throw off the shit and work to improve their homeland and make things better absolutely destroys Russia's entire narrative of victimhood and cynicism. It puts the lie to "oh it's all western oppression!!" or "there's nothing we can do" or "leadership doesn't matter and we shouldn't care about politics" etc. Russian leaders obviously fear this a lot, it could give some small parts of the population ideas, but even Russian mongrel serfs may end up hating it for being better.
To everyone implying finns or swedes itt - saunas(local variety, called "banya") are very popular all across postsoviet slavlands.
When a man gets a dacha/house on his own plot of land, he often builds a banya there. Besides being recreation facility it is a project of pride and accomplisment for them.
To everyone implying finns or swedes itt - saunas(local variety, called "banya") are very popular all across postsoviet slavlands.
When a man gets a dacha/house on his own plot of land, he often builds a banya there. Besides being recreation facility it is a project of pride and accomplisment for them.
Someone post that video of the russian's getting drone naded in their fox hole from a few days back because they just left is an open fricking hole. The thing is literally surrounded by dirt and broken up trees and fallen wood, would have been the work of <1hr for a couple men to do a make shift wood/tarp/dirt roof that would have trivially shrugged off one of those little improvised drone grenades without the slightest issue. And also kept them warmer and protected from rain like actual humans.
Everyone has their "WTF" point and I know this war has been full of them but that was one for me. Like just incomprehensible. When I was a literal child playing innawoods and building forts myself or with siblings or neighbor kids they were better protected and had more effort than those russian solders. 7 months into a war and their trenches would result in a firing squad in fricking WW1 they're so shit. Straight lines, zero protection of any kind, like I can't even understand the thinking there as human. Our fricking most ancient ancestors developed the concept of "shelter" even if just going into caves. Why would you dig this big hole and then just call it done??? AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>The thing is literally surrounded by dirt and broken up trees and fallen wood, would have been the work of <1hr for a couple men to do a make shift wood/tarp/dirt roof that would have trivially shrugged off one of those little improvised drone grenades without the slightest issue.
If anyone had done that to his foxhole, he would just been forced out of it by another russian soldier who would have taken it over. You can't have nice things in Russia, why even try to have nice things when everyone around you will just destroy or steal it.
Unironically yeah this is a good point, and a basic example of how absolutely destructive the simple words of "corruption" or "lawless" is. It's what people mean when talking about a society/institution truly "rotting", where people are robbed of all initiative because anything good is just looted by someone else, and having things be shit is actively incentivized because you're more likely to be left alone. Zero trust between anyone except rare close family/friends, which costs so much fricking money in potential lost. Simple things we take for granted can't be done in a low-trust society without any respect for institutions, values, rights or between people. It's not just the big obvious thing we've talked about on /k/ like kit being stolen and sold, it's two guys in a fox hole they don't bother to improve beyond the bare minimum because their minds are so rotted they don't even think about doing more then the minimum in anything, ever, and then dying for it.
Russia is a good warning to the West in that way I guess. Whatever our disagreements, we should work to avoid becoming THAT because it means all progress stops.
>“Ukraine will definitely not be the same as we strived for from the very beginning. It’s impossible. Completely liberal and European – it will not be like that. It will definitely stand from the fortress of every house, every building, every person,” he said during his interview with the Ukrainian journalists.
hmm based
A sauna session, like three beers and a fresh dry bed is probably the most efficient way there is to destress. At least this side of extremely habit-forming medications.
You can always improve upon the logistical structure of the US military. >Air-mobile Burger King? Done. >Air-mobile Chipotle? In progress. >Air-mobile titty bar? Pending Congressional approval. >Air-mobile sauna? Pending inspection by Finnish delegation. >Air-mobile onsen? Needs investigation into feasibility
>air-mobile onsen
Former military anons, especially the ones that had to do shitty occupations, how high would your bullshit tolerance be if this was waiting back at the base for you?:
>open video >barely concealed Japanese ass under the water >implying you could get that anywhere near a Marine FOB without disastrous results
What?! They'd kill her!
What's the problem, there is nothing better after a long stressing day shooting russians than hanging around in a comfy sauna, relaxing and playing with your Drone.
sauna is unironically the best, simplest and cheapest way to clean your soldiers in the field
you can't make a shower with no running water, and after a sauna all the filth just sloughs off easily even without soap
they are just emulating the finns who fought russia before them
>emulating finns
there are finns over there so maybe a little more than just emulating
I wonder if they're buttfricking each other (consensually of course)
Am Ukrainian and we have a SRF (squad relief femboy) which will open his soul and not only soul (it's a sex) for you if you ever feel down
They are playing Gollum for sure.
A Finnish volunteer literally told me that they built a sauna in Ukraine but they didn't use it out of fear of thermal recon shit. He also got strafed by a Russian fighter but it got destroyed a while later. Both of these happened pretty early into the war.
If you wanna go out of your way on being miserable because you think being miserable is 'manly', be a Russian soldier
Most sane countries let their soldiers to some harmless dumb shit to keep morale up
In this case a sauna. And in case you haven't noticed, its the Ukies that currently holding out better over all.
>you think being miserable is 'manly', be a Russian soldier
>Most sane countries let their soldiers to some harmless dumb shit to keep morale up
But do sane countries let their starving and underequipped soldiers rape each in the ass? I think not. Checkmate, Russia wins again.
Channeling the spirit of Väinämöinen.
experimental boiling chambers for russian pows
Excuse me, they're called bastu
sven detected
:DDDDDD
The contrast is telling. I've seen some really grim Russian camps. And the Ukrainians have built a sauna.
They really are very different people, huh?
Not really, the difference is Ukrainians want to be people, Russians want to suck tsar wiener.
i did actually early on in the war see the ukies posting about a russian position they'd captured in which the russians had built a field sauna
Ukranian nationality was one born from the cossacks. Free-spirited warriors fighting against the rape hordes and polish oppressors.
Russian nationality was born from being fricked in the ass by the ruling leader and being sent to die far away. Being nothing but a cog in the machine.
The expulsion of alien Vatnik influences from Ukraine will ensure it comes fully into its own. And I'm not talking about LOYAL Russian-Ukrainians.
I strictly refer to traitors and invaders.
At one point Russia was almost entirely self sufficient, providing for over 80% of Russia's internal demands for manufactured goods. They had the largest gold reserve in the world along with the lowest taxes and the 'Peasants State Bank' which was, to summarize, a bank offering loans at incredibly low rates of interest. This led to multiple people having farms which is why for a brief period Russia produced more cereal grains than America, Canada, and Argentina combined (these were the primary grain producers before WW1).
Now you're probably wondering where it all went wrong. You see, the Russian Tsars did not like the prospect of the Rothschild banking system. Way back in the early 1800's Tsar Alexander I rejected Nathan R's offer to set up a central bank in Russia because he knew what they would do. From that moment on Russia became a target. They held out for almost a hundred years after being on the R shit list but the Rothschilds along with the help of the United States government and Trotsky (born Lev Bronstein) instigated the Bolshevik revolution which ruined one of the greatest industrialized nations in the world
This claim breaks down the very moment you claim
>Tsarist Russia
to be
>industrialized
You can claim that about Moscow, Petrograd, sure, but you wanna throw that shit claim at any part of Russia that lived 10km away from the main rail line and I'll call you an absolute fricking moron.
it was the early 1900's
give me a break
It is barely an exaggeration to say that Russia in 1914 was about as industrialized as Germany and France were in 1848, man, even grading on a curve that shit's bad.
They were still using a system of scattershot land-strip distribution for peasant farmers in the fricking 1900s, bro, even fricking MEXICO wasn't doing that shit by then, let alone the rest of Europe. Shit was wack.
>one of the greatest industrialized nations in the world
good one
I remember reading that during WW1, German commanders made their trenches as comfortable as possible while British commanders made their trenches as uncomfortable as possible. The theory behind it was that the British had to advance to push the Germans back, so they wanted to make sure that their soldiers wouldn't stay in the trench if they had a choice. I could see Russia taking a similar approach.
What? I can't beleive they're making a sauna when the harsh eastern winter is coming. They should be exposed in the open hearing themselves with large easy to spot campfires like real soldiers!
Posted by John Doeski, Houston region Texas Oblast
Don't take my caption too serious, I personally find it hilarious and wonder at which front this would be possible
Oh fug :DDDD
Ebin :DDDDDD
t: Finnanon
Benis :DDD
Sauna Gollums are a real threat still.
sweaty gay seks
Morale is important, that's why America has entire units dedicated to morale-related logistics. Imagine being a Russian who doesn't have gear because it got sold to airsofters, you get captured, and as you're passing through the Ukrainian trench before you get sent off to a prison in the Western part of Ukraine you see a FRICKING SAUNA AND A COFFEE BAR in the trench.
Well russians have washing machines and sacks of fertilizer in theirs. Oh, and dead conscripts, lots and lots of dead conscripts.
No military on Earth will ever be a threat to the United States until they can reliably reproduce our vaunted Burger King Logistics
Saunas are based. Has to be a huge morale booster for the guys stuck in a trench, getting shelled.
finns taught them well 😀
Moral. It's like asking for the tactical advantage of a dogs during ww1.
>Commander says storm Hohol trench
>Middle of night, make a run for it
>Moon dimly lights the trench
>Suddenly strange fog fills the surroundings
>Temperature rises
>Out of nowhere, naked hohols jump out and beat the shit out of me with birch branches
>Claw my way out to safety
>Run for my life as I hear laughter from the trench behind me
>Fricking hohols
I hope America learns from this. The problem isn't that they're building saunas, the problem is that we aren't yet.
>Americans get Burger King
>Russians from 10 year old MREs
God America is so based bros.
Logistics matters.
>Sino-American War of 2024 breaks out after the PLA attempts amphibious invasion of Taiwan
>get deployed to Vietnam as the Vietnamese have joined the war on our side to deal with South China Sea shenanigans once and for all
>FOB Frick Kissinger is completed within 24 hours much to the surprise of the VPA
>fellow US servicemen are all grouchy, just as much as myself
>then we hear them
>the droning of CH-47s airlifting the much needed
>THE MOBILE TACO BELL, KFC, BURGER KING AND SAUNA COMPLEX
>American soldiers begin filing into their forward operational cruise ship
>Combine the powers of US and Vietnam
>Now you have a tunnel system with cinema, multiple chain restaurants, an indoor spa and high speed secure wifi
>Get starving Changs in jungle to have a full psychological breakdown by constantly getting ambushed from random directions by clean, perfectly manicured Allied soldiers still wearing BK crowns and sipping on a shake.
>Changs, Chongs and Dongs dragging themselves through Vietnamese jungle
>suddenly Lieutenant Dong Bong Tong Long stops
>do you smell that?
>GORDITAS
>concealed Vietnamese and American troops pop up out of their spider holes and open fire
>only Private Chang Chang Chang Tong survives
>wakes up in a cell opposite the underground nail salon where Vietnamese and American troops are getting mani-pedis
>watches in horror at the line of Vietnamese and American troops in line to get some Baskin Robbins while eating their Nathan's Famous hot dogs
>strains to look down the hallway and sees a whole fricking combination arcade/gym
You could say the damage would be...emotional.
I wouldn't even be annoyed when 1st Sergeant said we had to stay until 8PM just to do paperwork. I fricking love onsen.
Hot tubs would be more American I think. I don’t know a single person here who has a sauna or uses one regularly.
I'd be down for hot tubs, sounds a little easier too.
Yeah this isn't a case of American logistics being unable to do it but more that saunas just aren't part of the culture here in general, neither are public baths. Just one of those things. We do have them at the South Pole in Antarctica.
Family built a big hot tub at a northern Maine family cabin, not sure if it's easier or not, a real issue is keeping the thing clean and cycling the water (and supplying that much water). Saunas strike me as more efficient on consumables and maintenance, but I'm no expert.
Yeah nobody here owns their own sauna, but saunas are quite common in American gyms.
I hope the Russians erase Ukraine
do it quick, they're embezzling too much money from US politicians.
>I hope the Russians erase Ukraine
Why? Give me a logical answer, not a string of insults/buzzwords.
Hes a contrarian
He can't. He follows Russia like people follow a sports team.
Jealousy and fear. Jealousy of course is obvious, but the latter matters more in some ways. Seeing people undeniably of the same kind from same conditions actually pick themselves up and throw off the shit and work to improve their homeland and make things better absolutely destroys Russia's entire narrative of victimhood and cynicism. It puts the lie to "oh it's all western oppression!!" or "there's nothing we can do" or "leadership doesn't matter and we shouldn't care about politics" etc. Russian leaders obviously fear this a lot, it could give some small parts of the population ideas, but even Russian mongrel serfs may end up hating it for being better.
that bear has no head
>Ukrainians
Those are Finnish or Swedish volunteers, I guarantee it
To everyone implying finns or swedes itt - saunas(local variety, called "banya") are very popular all across postsoviet slavlands.
When a man gets a dacha/house on his own plot of land, he often builds a banya there. Besides being recreation facility it is a project of pride and accomplisment for them.
I choose to believe it was Swedes.
>it's a Nic/k/elodeon renaissance on /k/
I won't complain
man i miss that show
Lock them in the sauna it’s like the Holdomor all over again
then which one is it frickfacnes
huge moral boost, relieves sore muscles, and is good for hygine
Sauna feels so good after rolling in mud for weeks.
Soldiers have been doing dumb shit since war was invented
Someone post that video of the russian's getting drone naded in their fox hole from a few days back because they just left is an open fricking hole. The thing is literally surrounded by dirt and broken up trees and fallen wood, would have been the work of <1hr for a couple men to do a make shift wood/tarp/dirt roof that would have trivially shrugged off one of those little improvised drone grenades without the slightest issue. And also kept them warmer and protected from rain like actual humans.
Everyone has their "WTF" point and I know this war has been full of them but that was one for me. Like just incomprehensible. When I was a literal child playing innawoods and building forts myself or with siblings or neighbor kids they were better protected and had more effort than those russian solders. 7 months into a war and their trenches would result in a firing squad in fricking WW1 they're so shit. Straight lines, zero protection of any kind, like I can't even understand the thinking there as human. Our fricking most ancient ancestors developed the concept of "shelter" even if just going into caves. Why would you dig this big hole and then just call it done??? AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>The thing is literally surrounded by dirt and broken up trees and fallen wood, would have been the work of <1hr for a couple men to do a make shift wood/tarp/dirt roof that would have trivially shrugged off one of those little improvised drone grenades without the slightest issue.
If anyone had done that to his foxhole, he would just been forced out of it by another russian soldier who would have taken it over. You can't have nice things in Russia, why even try to have nice things when everyone around you will just destroy or steal it.
Unironically yeah this is a good point, and a basic example of how absolutely destructive the simple words of "corruption" or "lawless" is. It's what people mean when talking about a society/institution truly "rotting", where people are robbed of all initiative because anything good is just looted by someone else, and having things be shit is actively incentivized because you're more likely to be left alone. Zero trust between anyone except rare close family/friends, which costs so much fricking money in potential lost. Simple things we take for granted can't be done in a low-trust society without any respect for institutions, values, rights or between people. It's not just the big obvious thing we've talked about on /k/ like kit being stolen and sold, it's two guys in a fox hole they don't bother to improve beyond the bare minimum because their minds are so rotted they don't even think about doing more then the minimum in anything, ever, and then dying for it.
Russia is a good warning to the West in that way I guess. Whatever our disagreements, we should work to avoid becoming THAT because it means all progress stops.
What are the odds the *women were actually little girls
To the last goyum
>“Ukraine will definitely not be the same as we strived for from the very beginning. It’s impossible. Completely liberal and European – it will not be like that. It will definitely stand from the fortress of every house, every building, every person,” he said during his interview with the Ukrainian journalists.
hmm based
I haven't had a sauna in over ten years
A sauna session, like three beers and a fresh dry bed is probably the most efficient way there is to destress. At least this side of extremely habit-forming medications.
fuggin ebin is what it is
also it's going to get cold soon, a sauna sounds like a good morale maintainer
>tfw American logistics can't get you a trench sauna
MUTTSISTERS HOW WERE WE BESTED BY THE FINNISH/UKRAINIAN MENACE?
not enough weapons shipped into Ukraine
You can always improve upon the logistical structure of the US military.
>Air-mobile Burger King? Done.
>Air-mobile Chipotle? In progress.
>Air-mobile titty bar? Pending Congressional approval.
>Air-mobile sauna? Pending inspection by Finnish delegation.
>Air-mobile onsen? Needs investigation into feasibility
could US air force have supplied 6th army at Stalingrad?
If they were allied to the Germans and Germany allowed them access to their airbases? Yes.
>air-mobile onsen
Former military anons, especially the ones that had to do shitty occupations, how high would your bullshit tolerance be if this was waiting back at the base for you?:
>open video
>barely concealed Japanese ass under the water
>implying you could get that anywhere near a Marine FOB without disastrous results
What?! They'd kill her!
Honestly tho, Considering WWI, Saunas should be effective to kill off vermin latched on to skin and disinfection in general.
Do they get Viagra like the Russians?
do russians suffer from erectile dysfunction?
can't they just rape normally?
they can't get aroused by women
Honestly the longer this war goes on, the more creative Ukrainians are going to get in repaying the Russians for their cruel barbarism.
>Russians get Viagra to do rape
Cheer up Ukraine. Build THIS and remove Russian rape-wiener.
And that's how you 100% guarantee that your rape becomes a murder instead.
Just design the device to be lethal then.
This. Neurotoxin in the spikes.
If faced with raped better to take the rapist down with you.
Concur. No more Vatnik.
How are you supposed to stop that from falling out your butthole every time you take a shit?
>russia spends 3 dollars per pill on random conscripts because... JUST BECAUSE OKAY?
>Russians spending just 3 dollars per conscript is seen to be proof that a story can't possibly be true
That's fricking grim
Good, Ukrainian soldiers should be lavished with every luxury under the sun, they are fighting for all of us.
What's the problem, there is nothing better after a long stressing day shooting russians than hanging around in a comfy sauna, relaxing and playing with your Drone.
what does this have to do with weapons? post in /bant/ or /homosexual/
These are clearly weapons
sauna is unironically the best, simplest and cheapest way to clean your soldiers in the field
you can't make a shower with no running water, and after a sauna all the filth just sloughs off easily even without soap
There are about 70,000 dead rooskies that take this war seriously