unlike Germany, the Swiss never pretend to be on one side while blocking weapons, and never reluctantly give in while pretending to be "down with it all along, you just never asked"
The average German is a 60 year old, childless pacifist and the government corrupt af. It should be obvious why they don’t send anything, those Leopard tanks can’t be replaced because all the money goes into pension funds
Ukraine is not Russian, Russia has no empire. Which, by the way, 100,000+ KIA and losing a war while strengthening the worlds resolve against themselves is a miserable failing if their goal is to rebuild. Shithole country - sad.
He said current moment moron. All those natives are US citizens. While the reservations were absolutely just giant concentration camps at one point, they aren't anymore.
Natives have nobody to blame but themselves, federal government allows them great autonomy on their lands and instead of investing like certain tribes do (Seminole, Mdewakanton, etc) they embezzle the money to elders and everyone suffers as a result.
............................ Everyone living there is a US citizen. Frick the only house rep from Alaska is a native Alaskan. She ran on a salmon based platform. That sounds like representation moron.
You are talking about history vs present day moron. If the hawaiians had lead a bloody war against US imperialism, they would have been morally correct. Saying the US is actively occupying Hawaii today is delusional. It's not even comparable to something like Catalonia in Spain. I know this might startle you as you can't imagine it. But people enjoy living in the US, whatever shit hole you crawled out of to post simply doesn't compare. Your whataboutism is pathetic.
>Alaska >Occupation
Alaska was legally purchased and Alaskan natives are a rounding error amount of the population, yet in spite of that they still retain most of their ancestral lands under the form of public lands.
Hawaiians are moronic babies who instead of capitalizing on the amazing wealth brought to their island, have instead spent it on spam and sold their lands to Japanese investors.
(You) could have named at least three other places and not revealed how utterly moronic (You) are.
Alaska was originally invaded & occupied by Russia, which then sold it to the United States. Hawaii won the lottery jackpot when the United States claimed it, and then made it a State. There were a number of other countries that were all about claiming Hawaii, and none of them would have been Good Thing for Hawaii. Hawaii was never going to be an independent nation given the timeframe, its incredible size and unbelievable strategic location.
>and then they'd have gotten independence.
Only to have been fought over for their strategic importance, if not in WWII (presumably by the US first, but Japan a possibility once it's clear the Brits wouldn't have had the capacity to seriously defend it once hostilities began in the Pacific and Europe), then they'd definitely feel such pressures by the Cold War. Assuming they achieved independence after WWII like many British colonies, then they'd get to enjoy being host to East vs. West frick-frick games and communist subversion.
Frankly I just don't see that being anything approaching a more sane, successful, and above all secure scenario for Hawaii. There isn't really a better outcome for them than having been made a fricking US state. Puerto Rico and Guam could only dream of being so fricking lucky, and one of those definitely deserve the privilege, too.
Yes breaking treaties and setting up more bases to border russia in ukraine was not acceptable. The US pushed too far and label russia as the aggressors.
that's the general turdworlder opinion, but goatherders got btfo'd by Americans pretty badly. I think Afghanistan is good proof that thirdworlders will always be thirdworlders regardless of NATO training. The Afghan army with it's 2 trillion dollars collapsed like a house of cards, while Ukraine with 50 billion destroyed the Russian army to the point where they can't even take a salt mine kek.
Black person please, we know the VatBlack folk are distilled aids and on their last legs. But pretending any of this is in any way shape or form beneficial or even necessary for people in Europe or the US is fricking delusional. At best this is GlowBlack person MIC instigated horseshit, at worst this is Globohomosexual GlowBlack person bullshit ruthlessly exploited to suck up even more middle class wealth and distribute it to their cronies.
>shit on the streets >worship cow shit >eat dirty unwashed street food prepared in unwashed pots and handled by someone without gloves, who doesn't wash their hands >don't wash hands either >get brain worms, become moronic and post this
Are you aware yet that the US is just the favorite puppet for the WEF yet, or do you still believe your country is truly sovereign?
A man makes large volume product with a factory, he doesn't do it himself. You create large volume control with a global control factory. Red while and blue baby. Though the tides are changing. Maybe the Switz are a bit more based than expected.
>VatBlack folktan invades their neighbor, trying to take territory from them by force. (Imperialism) >Thinks Ukraine fighting back is actually American Imperialism because he was born brown.
The Swiss authorities vetoed the supply of Aspide air defense systems by Spain to the armament of Ukraine.
The Swiss authorities have decided to block the supply of Aspide anti-aircraft missile systems to Ukraine. These air defense systems were to be supplied by Spain, however, due to the fact that the anti-aircraft missile systems were developed jointly with Switzerland, Madrid needed to obtain permission from Zurich, however, this was denied.
At the moment, it is known that Switzerland considered the supply of Aspide air defense systems to the armament of Ukraine as an inappropriate step. This highlights the fact that Zurich prefers to remain relatively neutral on the conflict in Ukraine.
Earlier, Spain announced that it intended to transfer two MiM-21 Hawk and Aspide air defense systems to Ukraine, and if they did not object to the supply of American systems to the United States, Switzerland decided that it would not approve the supply of NATO-standard Aspide air defense systems.
Ukraine has already managed to accuse Switzerland of creating obstacles, however, Zurich has not yet given any answers to such accusations.
Why shouldn't NATO sanction Switzerland to make up for the cost of their frickery. Take a 5 billion dollar chunk out of Nestle or UBS and I bet their change their minds real quick. Basically a NATO defense tax.
Switzerland played actually pretty bad. Since it's neutral, it shouldn't have followed EU sanctions and deliver weapons to Russia and Ukraine. This would be true neutrality.
Please stop with this switzerland neutral bullshit. They have not been neutral since WW2 when they were a low-key german ally and they explicitly declared themselves as being o Ukraine's side in this war.
Switzerland explicitly declared support for Ukraine, it was big news since it broke their fake neutrality. And they were german allies too, went as far as shooting down allied aircraft.
US doesn't usually veto though do they? They just won't even sell to you if they think you'll do something like give weapons to someone they hate.
I think US veto'd someone selling something to Egypt but besides that I can't recall any.
This is just etiquette and contract signatures right? So if you DGAF about future relations from whatever country you can just sell anyway? Is there some 3rd party treaty enforcement? Seems like a big motivation to make your own stuff don't know how such a treaty could have got in place
>muh neutrality
Reminder that Putin has over a 100 billion dollars of embezzeled russian state’s money in swiss banks and companies/lands through middle men.
The Swiss never change.
once again swiss laws dictate that we cannot allow the export of weapons into a warzone. this includes customers needing our consent if they want to sell these weapons themselves
these laws came from our whiny lefties that want to gimp our defense industry.
Honestly a shame. Switzerland produced a lot of great systems and had a thriving arms industry. With this nobody wants to partner with us anymore, fearing it will not allow them to export stuff or aid others. Even worse, we might block them from supplying themselves in the name of neutrality. No real nation will accept such uncertain dependence on us.
Though as it is law, we literally can't help Ukraine until we go through the rigorous process of changing it again. But until that has enough backing, our arms industry will already be dead. Nobody will want Swiss stuff by then. >But what about neutrality.
Neutrality means not joining wars and staying out of conflicts. It shouldn't mean killing our industry for nothing. Only one side of this conflict is of economic and political importance to us. And we botched it. FRICK.
Maybe they'll just have to sell without veto rights. Eastern europe will probably boycott swiss arms out of sheer spite, but the rest won't.
Switzerland is defacto a NATO protectorate, why shouldn't it have to contribute to the defence of the free world? Switzerland has already been read the riot act by the rest of the civilized world re: banking secrecy and they caved because they had no choice. This would go the same way.
>defacto a NATO protectorate
No it's not. It's an independent, unaligned state. Forcing it into NATO under threats of economic sanction would be an act of imperialism.
>It's an independent, unaligned state.
They declared their support for ukraine and were undeclared germany allies in WW2 (because they sold them machinery and behaved as trading middlemen for them plus the whole banking thing). This idea of swiss neutrality is out of James Bond movies.
It's an independent unaligned state because it's surrounded by Nato countries and doesn't need to care, same as Austria. They are like people profiting from union contracts but not joining to union themselves to save a few dollars. scum of the earth.
switzerland joined the gay marriage club, switerland is not independant and not special, it's peak globohomosexual just extremely "racist" for a lack of better word against the poor
Switzerland is a parasitic freeloader. If other countries behaved as ruthlessly immorally and purely self-interested Switzerland wouldn't be an independent country today, but instead a component or vessel of some fascist or communist empire.
Anon, what are you smoking. It's an independent state because every single person within it goes through the military and it's surrounded by natural barriers. Sure, post ww2 Switzerland has very little to worry about in terms of invasion due to modern European morality in regards to domination of other states, but it's still politically pressured through diplomatic war.
The cost to take it would be significant and being on the border of France Germany AND Italy it can effectively negotiate with all three to fight around it.
Small states exist because they're worth more to surrounding states uninvaded or not worth invading. You do not have to enslave every local village to gain advantages, there are such things as negotiations and invasion cost.
Why lose a million men on a pointless war over switzerland while they get supplied by their neighbour when you could just leave them alone, use them as a bank, and fight somewhere less difficult to take.
Other even smaller states in Europe exist as a sort of trade city between two nations, the small states are allowed to exist because they hold value.
It's the same reason most humans are not in chains right now, not everything needs to be controlled directly to add value to you. Power isn't all stick and orders.
>the military and it's surrounded by natural barriers. Sure, post ww
As if thats meas anything. All you have to do is park a tank at each mountain pass road and starve them. Their military is shit and their economy is based on fencing stolen goods.
>Starve a nation with access to two larger states borders
Anon have you looked at a map lately they are bordering 3 states on a giant as frick mountain range that stretches miles in three directions, and effectively surrounds the country.
If you mean why doesn't "NATO" or "The EU" starve out the Swiss, then you are severely overestimating the cooperation between European states. We pretend the EU is one bloc working together, but if Germany invaded Switzerland again France or Italy would likely help it, as holding that are would be a strategic threat to their own power in the region.
European states are still mostly independent despite being in the EU, and taking Switzerland by starving them out would not only upset European citizenry too, but would show other border nations that the larger EU nations were hostile to small states, and would pretty quickly cause those nations alignment with other powers that would guarantee their freedom.
Effectively they would likely lose the Baltic's, even those in the EU themselves, to negotiations with Turkey or even Russia.
Your grasp of geopolitics is unfathomably below average.
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Anonymous
>Anon have you looked at a map lately they are bordering 3 states on a giant as frick mountain range
Its a hypothetical, moron. The point is the swiss military doesnt matter because these "borders" are just a few roads you can block. If NATO wanted they could either starve or curb stomp Switzerland or a combination so i basically laugh at these comments about how every Swiss knows how to shoot. Like how is that even relevant?
>No it's not. It's an independent, unaligned state. Forcing it into NATO under threats of economic sanction would be an act of imperialism.
cute that you think you are not America's little b***h because you have money
if your country is currently not at war and not in the "axis of evil" list it's because you're America's little b***h
Unless one of those "bitches" wants to build a pipeline to russia
Then americans will moan and nag together with the entire rest of europe... and do nothing while germany builds it anyway.
Wasn't the Swiss strategy during the Cold war to retreat in NATO territory if invaded and integrate their soldiers into the surrounding countries armies.
No, their country is fortified to the gills. They'd have fought invaders from positions prepared since prehistoric times. The country is covered with bunkers that look like haystacks and barns. Everything is pre-targeted, everything is designed to be quickly and easily demolished to block invaders. The whole country would be a nightmare to try to invade.
>le concrete box with holes for shooting >Swiss Stronk
That isn't going to mean shit when the couple of roads used to import all your food and fuel get blocked by a single tank on each one.
Cuz there's no way the Swiss could have pre-targeted any position tanks would take. And of course there's no way a country whose entire national defense strategy is about hunkering down and forcing the invaders to fight for every inch of ground has been stockpiling food, fuel, and ammo reserves for decades...
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Anonymous
>is about hunkering down and forcing the invaders to fight for every inch of groun
Thats the cool thing you dont fight for shit. You block the roads and let the swiss starve.
[...]
gorillion tons of beans and rice
They don't have shit.
>With this nobody wants to partner with us anymore, fearing it will not allow them to export stuff or aid others.
I just hope Rheinmetall sees the writing on the wall and pulls out every single production line and subsequently research center out of Switzerland.
How demoralizing. Perhaps you should send a strongly-worded letter to Emperor Dark Brandon? Your argument is very persuasive, so I'm sure he'll issue a decree ordering Switzerland to comply.
Switzerland is defacto a NATO protectorate, why shouldn't it have to contribute to the defence of the free world? Switzerland has already been read the riot act by the rest of the civilized world re: banking secrecy and they caved because they had no choice. This would go the same way.
>https://avia-pro.net/
It literally rusian disinfo.
And i don't mean it in ironic NAFO way.
This is a site that is unironically publishing literal fake news to push russian government propaganda.
For example, few months before the war they claimed that splashed usn f-35 was piloted by first US female pilot on her first flight.
https://avia-pro.net/news/pervaya-v-mire-zhenshchina-pilot-istrebitelya-f-35-razbila-samolyot-v-pervom-zhe-polyote
Funny thing - bunch of poltroons belived them, despite the woman on the photo wearing USAF insignia, plane being USAF version, and whole photoshot being from 7 years ago.
Still, bunch of poltroons actually bought that, endlessly reposting it in western funny sites and social media.
>splashed usn f-35 was piloted by first US female pilot on her first flight.
Sounds reasonable.
You claim a female didn’t crashed that plane. But you need extraordinary proof for extraordinary claims.
Pilot referenced in article was USAF and has been retired for years, so it is literally impossible for her to be flying the plane.
Do you need anything else?
>Funny thing - bunch of poltroons belived them, despite the woman on the photo wearing USAF insignia, plane being USAF version, and whole photoshot being from 7 years ago.
/misc/ will believe anything that confirms their biases. which is why this
>splashed usn f-35 was piloted by first US female pilot on her first flight.
Sounds reasonable.
You claim a female didn’t crashed that plane. But you need extraordinary proof for extraordinary claims.
shitskin is responding to you trying to defend himself.
Why the FRICK are countries buying weapons from Switzerland?? Switzerland can kiss their arms industry goodbye after this fiasco, no one wants to risk Switzerland refusing to send them ammo if a serious war kicks off.
Everyone could just tell the Swiss to pound salt and send the weapons anyway. Swiss selfishness is literally killing Ukranian civilians by depriving then of air defence (not just this scuppered deal, but blocking supply of Geperd ammo). Shameless.
I think Switzerland would have veto over any sale. But I'm arguing NATO and friends just burn Switzerland and ignore any agreements to this effect. It's not like anyone will ever buy any military equipment from Switzerland ever again so who cares.
I get prohibitions on offensive weaponry, but they’d use these to shoot down missiles targeting civilians. Absolute boneheads. Sick of the swiss, these c**ts need to be brought to heel like the banking parasites (but I repeat myself) they are.
Kel anybody thinking anybody will ever do anything about switzerland. There is a clear reason why they were never touched really, although they really deserved for their shit: from american to russian to even norks, everybodyy parks there a huge sum of money
Didn't kim studied there as well until his father died?
Just for the lulz NATO should declare Switzerland a potential ally and start doing exercises on its borders. If the Swiss don't want to share the burden then make them pay the true cost of going it alone.
Possession is 9/10ths of the law and the worst the Swiss can do in retaliation is refuse to sell them weapons in the future (lol, lmao even). They should send the stuff anyway and tell the Swiss to suck eggs.
>strawman comic is actually just still wrong
the complaining about weeds IS the problem, because all he does is complain about weeds all day instead of getting off his ass and cleaning them out
"I can't de-weed my yard I'm too busy complaining about my weeds" talk about a lazy excuse
Anon, are you brain-dead. You can't see the metaphor it's trying to convey?
Guess what, it's not actually about weeds. It's about a theoretical weed shilling that talking about both problems and anti-problems, stating that the people taking about them are the real problem.
It frames debate, not action in regards to debate.
Believe it or not you can negotiate around problems, it's obvious that you can't negotiate with weeds. Not all problems can be solved with individual action, this must be solved with debate.
Basically: >IT'S >A >METAPHOR
Goddamn why are you moronic. Look in the mirror tonight and call yourself an idiot sandwich.
He's reading the comic literally and not understanding the metaphor it's trying to convey.
You can't just go out and pull up "weeds", some "weeds" need group support and cooperation, and this must convince large groups to help pull up the weeds across the entire country, since you cannot do all the weeds in the country by yourself.
The point of the comic is to portray those that "two sides" an issue are often shills for the defending side trying to shut down discussion.
Spain was also cucked by Germany (supposedly) when it wanted to send a load of basic surplus Leopard 2s early on. I think they might have needed active German participation to refurbish them though.
>Neutrality >Sells weapons to independent nations and dictates who those weapons can be used in >Meanwhile when weapons from other nations are legally transported through them, they sell the data to their adversaries
Swiss aren't neutral, they're just a more developed Israel.
They're not morons, they're just tickled pink by being buttholes knowing they'll always get away with it, especially if there's more money to be made in it. "Mountain israelite" really couldn't possibly be a more apt moniker for the genuinely conniving, untrustworthy Swiss. Between the Swiss, the Israelis, the French, and the Germans, we really have some hilariously shitty Western "allies" with an utterly outsized capacity (and proven willingness) to jeopardize/compromise a lot of our shit, strategically, for utterly myopic two-bit gains.
This is what happens when you have independent-minded people with lots of direct democracy. They don't stand themselves in harm's way for outside interests.
Swtizerland's existence has always kind of irritated me anyway. I think the US should invade and just start throwing mountain israelites in jail right and left for tax evasion.
The real facts on the ground are as follows: >Russia is adding another 500k ground forces, which will give if not parity probably a force superiority >They have larger artillery stocks and appear to be mothballing ammunition in preparation for an offensive >the chances of Ukiegays retaking the east with such a large army is highly dubious >NATO isn't intervening, not in a million years >The casualties for Ukies have been at least 100k and probably higher >this war is probably going to take years and involve grinding down Ukraine through sheer attrition
nafo = literal trannies, redditgays, other illiterate leftoids working in state department glow ops. Super fricking gay, I want my board back
also; based???
>be a second army in the world >conduct a 3 day special military operation against your next door neighbour, one if the poorest countries in Europe >fast forward a year >m-m-maybe ththe next wave of consription will allow us to achieve force parity with Ukraine and then m-m-m-maybe we'll make some gains
You defecate in the open like an animal anf the bombing of Belgrade was morally right AND funny as frick
I have not seen this image since it started to become obvious it was a /chug/tard that made that account and post.
>nafo = literal trannies, redditgays, other illiterate leftoids working in state department glow ops. Super fricking gay, I want my board back
also; based???
You post like a bot. Go figure you use DEBOONKED images. You are probably Indian.
Spanish army gay here, the ukies completed their training here on Hawk and Aspide systems. The ukie crews went to Ukraine weeks ago and the systems were crated and sent out of RAAC 74 (Regimiento de Artilleria Antiaerea N°74) days ago.
Swiss can block what they want but those systems are on Ukraine yet or at least on the way there.
Swissanon here (the original one). Frick America (frick mutts, frick Black folk, and also lmaoin@banned braces) and frick Ukraine too. Couldn't give less of a frick about this country, they tried to get into NATO and were corrupted as frick they got what was coming at them, the only part that got me mad is the difficulty to get shit from RU now.
The US, Canada, Australia and UK are even better defended than Switzerland by oceans, yet they contribute to the defence of other free peoples instead of smugly sitting neutral in the world like the Swiss.
>Switzerland has been neutral for over 200 years >end-use control has been pushed on arms exports by le communauté internationale >Switzerland abides by the rules others came up with >waaah but now WE want to ignore restrictions on international arms trade!
get bent. Switzerland, you be you.
I fricking hate the Swiss, my god. Who the frick tries to make themselves a defence industry power while refusing to supply anyone who actually goes to war?
I mean, to be fair to them it's something customers and partners have well known of.
But then again, it's not like Switzerland was forced to hand over shit from their own stockpiles. And it's not like they've been completely neutral, supporting EU's sanction packages.
I don't think the Swiss weapons industry is at great risk. But Rheinmetall needs to build a new facility to produce ammo at.
I think the swiss are going to have problems after the war because no one who is potentially going to fight another nation state is going to buy from them in fear of them not being willing to sell them any ammo, parts, further systems, etc. if they actually go to war.
Reexport of war materials to countries currently in a conflict is legally banned at this time. No way to amend this in the short term.
Switzerland has always sanctioned countries and people, it's no news; Russians being buttblasted about not being able to go to St. Moritz won't change what was always the case.
>Switzerland has always sanctioned countries and people
The entire swiss economy is based on breaking all laws, i.e money laundering and aiding international criminals and tax evaders. Without crime Swiss would be like afghanistan, as it once was
that's a real shame. tra la.
How come hohols are butthurt about everyone that cucks them except Switzerland?
unlike Germany, the Swiss never pretend to be on one side while blocking weapons, and never reluctantly give in while pretending to be "down with it all along, you just never asked"
The average German is a 60 year old, childless pacifist and the government corrupt af. It should be obvious why they don’t send anything, those Leopard tanks can’t be replaced because all the money goes into pension funds
The average german is a turk with 5 children. The money goes to into his gibs.
Swiss probably hide Ukie oligarch billions. Also they're consistently and honestly neutral. Unlike Hungary, that has neutral-ish backstabbing Russian puppet government.
Switzerland knows the gig is up. Why waste money for US imperialism?
>US imperialism
The united states is not the one invading for land at the current moment.
It is Imperialism to stop Russia from rebuilding the Russian empire.
Ukraine is not Russian, Russia has no empire. Which, by the way, 100,000+ KIA and losing a war while strengthening the worlds resolve against themselves is a miserable failing if their goal is to rebuild. Shithole country - sad.
Tell that to the millions of Natives living in concentration camps, I mean "reservations".
He said current moment moron. All those natives are US citizens. While the reservations were absolutely just giant concentration camps at one point, they aren't anymore.
NOBODY. CARES.
Now shut the frick up and eat your meth and drink your fire water satchmo.
Natives have nobody to blame but themselves, federal government allows them great autonomy on their lands and instead of investing like certain tribes do (Seminole, Mdewakanton, etc) they embezzle the money to elders and everyone suffers as a result.
t. Native
/r/AsABlackMan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Black folks
literally
Oh shut up Vatnik and send more of your ethnic minorities to die in Ukraine, until they rise up and tear your nation to shreds.
US is literally occupying Hawaii and Alaska right now, dude.
............................ Everyone living there is a US citizen. Frick the only house rep from Alaska is a native Alaskan. She ran on a salmon based platform. That sounds like representation moron.
Everyone living in annex territories of Southern Russia is a Russian citizen. So it's okay, right?
You are talking about history vs present day moron. If the hawaiians had lead a bloody war against US imperialism, they would have been morally correct. Saying the US is actively occupying Hawaii today is delusional. It's not even comparable to something like Catalonia in Spain. I know this might startle you as you can't imagine it. But people enjoy living in the US, whatever shit hole you crawled out of to post simply doesn't compare. Your whataboutism is pathetic.
kek the donbabweans tried to escape to russia at the start of the war and were turned back at the border
>Alaska
>Occupation
Alaska was legally purchased and Alaskan natives are a rounding error amount of the population, yet in spite of that they still retain most of their ancestral lands under the form of public lands.
Hawaiians are moronic babies who instead of capitalizing on the amazing wealth brought to their island, have instead spent it on spam and sold their lands to Japanese investors.
Weird to include Alaska here but not the rest of the lower 48 then
You forget about Puerto Rico.
>Alaska
how so?
(You) could have named at least three other places and not revealed how utterly moronic (You) are.
Alaska was originally invaded & occupied by Russia, which then sold it to the United States. Hawaii won the lottery jackpot when the United States claimed it, and then made it a State. There were a number of other countries that were all about claiming Hawaii, and none of them would have been Good Thing for Hawaii. Hawaii was never going to be an independent nation given the timeframe, its incredible size and unbelievable strategic location.
>and none of them would have been Good Thing for Hawaii
Bongland would have been fine and then they'd have gotten independence.
>and then they'd have gotten independence.
Only to have been fought over for their strategic importance, if not in WWII (presumably by the US first, but Japan a possibility once it's clear the Brits wouldn't have had the capacity to seriously defend it once hostilities began in the Pacific and Europe), then they'd definitely feel such pressures by the Cold War. Assuming they achieved independence after WWII like many British colonies, then they'd get to enjoy being host to East vs. West frick-frick games and communist subversion.
Frankly I just don't see that being anything approaching a more sane, successful, and above all secure scenario for Hawaii. There isn't really a better outcome for them than having been made a fricking US state. Puerto Rico and Guam could only dream of being so fricking lucky, and one of those definitely deserve the privilege, too.
Yes breaking treaties and setting up more bases to border russia in ukraine was not acceptable. The US pushed too far and label russia as the aggressors.
What treaty? Post a link to the treaty, every treaty or decree signed by NATO is posted on it’s own website. Post a link to it.
Cuba Syria Iraq
>Afghanistan
>Gruzia
>Ukraine
>The united states is not the one invading for land at the current moment.
that's just because they got kicked out by goat herders in flip flops last year, not because they don't want to
that's the general turdworlder opinion, but goatherders got btfo'd by Americans pretty badly. I think Afghanistan is good proof that thirdworlders will always be thirdworlders regardless of NATO training. The Afghan army with it's 2 trillion dollars collapsed like a house of cards, while Ukraine with 50 billion destroyed the Russian army to the point where they can't even take a salt mine kek.
Black person please, we know the VatBlack folk are distilled aids and on their last legs. But pretending any of this is in any way shape or form beneficial or even necessary for people in Europe or the US is fricking delusional. At best this is GlowBlack person MIC instigated horseshit, at worst this is Globohomosexual GlowBlack person bullshit ruthlessly exploited to suck up even more middle class wealth and distribute it to their cronies.
>shit on the streets
>worship cow shit
>eat dirty unwashed street food prepared in unwashed pots and handled by someone without gloves, who doesn't wash their hands
>don't wash hands either
>get brain worms, become moronic and post this
ivermectin kills the worm
>become moronic
Indians are moronic by birth.
>Why waste money
How would switzerland waste money by spain giving ukraine their own air defense systems
Are you aware yet that the US is just the favorite puppet for the WEF yet, or do you still believe your country is truly sovereign?
A man makes large volume product with a factory, he doesn't do it himself. You create large volume control with a global control factory. Red while and blue baby. Though the tides are changing. Maybe the Switz are a bit more based than expected.
>VatBlack folktan invades their neighbor, trying to take territory from them by force. (Imperialism)
>Thinks Ukraine fighting back is actually American Imperialism because he was born brown.
>Shooting antifa Black person breaking into your home and stealing your washing machine is US imperialism
Ok Magomed.
>swiss doing something shitty
what a surprise
The Swiss authorities vetoed the supply of Aspide air defense systems by Spain to the armament of Ukraine.
The Swiss authorities have decided to block the supply of Aspide anti-aircraft missile systems to Ukraine. These air defense systems were to be supplied by Spain, however, due to the fact that the anti-aircraft missile systems were developed jointly with Switzerland, Madrid needed to obtain permission from Zurich, however, this was denied.
At the moment, it is known that Switzerland considered the supply of Aspide air defense systems to the armament of Ukraine as an inappropriate step. This highlights the fact that Zurich prefers to remain relatively neutral on the conflict in Ukraine.
Earlier, Spain announced that it intended to transfer two MiM-21 Hawk and Aspide air defense systems to Ukraine, and if they did not object to the supply of American systems to the United States, Switzerland decided that it would not approve the supply of NATO-standard Aspide air defense systems.
Ukraine has already managed to accuse Switzerland of creating obstacles, however, Zurich has not yet given any answers to such accusations.
that sounds very fake
Zürich isn't our capital, and the manufacturer who is from a town near Zürich wouldn't object
The government has to agree, not the company
the goverment isn't seated in zurich
I call for Spain to accidentally misplace the blueprints for one, lol.
Frick the Swiss.
Frick Ukraine! Those alcoholic proto-vatnik can bleed some more with their Russian cousins.
frick you and frick ukraine
>Ukraine has already managed to accuse Switzerland of creating obstacles
Switzerland should accuse Ukraine of not paying their tab.
Hello Switzerland
All good things come to an end
like your weapons industry
which seems to be only useful for parades
>that goes for you too, Germany
They're just being consistent, how is this surprising to anyone?
Interesting, is this diplomacy going to affect their their sales in the futrure?
Probably they are going to be dead in the water because they are fricking with the only countries they are going to buy their stuff.
Every contract is going to be full tech transfer or won't be.
With the mountain israelites, you lose
Why shouldn't NATO sanction Switzerland to make up for the cost of their frickery. Take a 5 billion dollar chunk out of Nestle or UBS and I bet their change their minds real quick. Basically a NATO defense tax.
Switzerland played actually pretty bad. Since it's neutral, it shouldn't have followed EU sanctions and deliver weapons to Russia and Ukraine. This would be true neutrality.
That would be more based than being namby pamby homosexuals about the whole ordeal tbh
>the whole ordeal
> "the whole ordeal"
It's an "ordeal" now. How annoying, how tiresome.
Please stop with this switzerland neutral bullshit. They have not been neutral since WW2 when they were a low-key german ally and they explicitly declared themselves as being o Ukraine's side in this war.
Burger education at its finest, here.
Switzerland explicitly declared support for Ukraine, it was big news since it broke their fake neutrality. And they were german allies too, went as far as shooting down allied aircraft.
Didn't they shoot down axis aircraft too?
And in the meanwhile Germany is blocking Leopard 2 transfers to Ukraine.
>Germany can veto who people sell to
>Switzerland can veto who people can sell to
>US can veto who people can sell to
So are we going to end up seeing a renaissance of national defense industries soon?
US doesn't usually veto though do they? They just won't even sell to you if they think you'll do something like give weapons to someone they hate.
I think US veto'd someone selling something to Egypt but besides that I can't recall any.
This is just etiquette and contract signatures right? So if you DGAF about future relations from whatever country you can just sell anyway? Is there some 3rd party treaty enforcement? Seems like a big motivation to make your own stuff don't know how such a treaty could have got in place
>muh neutrality
Reminder that Putin has over a 100 billion dollars of embezzeled russian state’s money in swiss banks and companies/lands through middle men.
The Swiss never change.
>Nestle
>Hiding international mass murderers
>Laundering money from every evil person who has existed for over a century
Swiss are literally evil
So Nestle not only makes poor moralgays seethe, they also make my favorite chocolate. It cannot get more based.
They are also a great dividend stock, one of the best in all of euroland
once again swiss laws dictate that we cannot allow the export of weapons into a warzone. this includes customers needing our consent if they want to sell these weapons themselves
these laws came from our whiny lefties that want to gimp our defense industry.
So why anybody will want to buy any swizz weapon if they won't be able to use it in combat?
ask that the SP and GSoA, those morons lobbied for these laws
Honestly a shame. Switzerland produced a lot of great systems and had a thriving arms industry. With this nobody wants to partner with us anymore, fearing it will not allow them to export stuff or aid others. Even worse, we might block them from supplying themselves in the name of neutrality. No real nation will accept such uncertain dependence on us.
Though as it is law, we literally can't help Ukraine until we go through the rigorous process of changing it again. But until that has enough backing, our arms industry will already be dead. Nobody will want Swiss stuff by then.
>But what about neutrality.
Neutrality means not joining wars and staying out of conflicts. It shouldn't mean killing our industry for nothing. Only one side of this conflict is of economic and political importance to us. And we botched it. FRICK.
Maybe they'll just have to sell without veto rights. Eastern europe will probably boycott swiss arms out of sheer spite, but the rest won't.
>defacto a NATO protectorate
No it's not. It's an independent, unaligned state. Forcing it into NATO under threats of economic sanction would be an act of imperialism.
>It's an independent, unaligned state.
They declared their support for ukraine and were undeclared germany allies in WW2 (because they sold them machinery and behaved as trading middlemen for them plus the whole banking thing). This idea of swiss neutrality is out of James Bond movies.
It's an independent unaligned state because it's surrounded by Nato countries and doesn't need to care, same as Austria. They are like people profiting from union contracts but not joining to union themselves to save a few dollars. scum of the earth.
If switzerland was surrounded by threats, it would have nukes by now.
Switzerland has better than nukes, it has everyone’s dirty money.
They still have our fricking gold, goddamn mountain israelites.
Wait. By "our" do you mean the israelites or the Nazis?
"Yes."
>it's surrounded by Nato countries and doesn't need to care
Not Switzerland's fault everyone else joined a club.
switzerland joined the gay marriage club, switerland is not independant and not special, it's peak globohomosexual just extremely "racist" for a lack of better word against the poor
It's called classism moron.
Have you not read any history at all?
Switzerland is a parasitic freeloader. If other countries behaved as ruthlessly immorally and purely self-interested Switzerland wouldn't be an independent country today, but instead a component or vessel of some fascist or communist empire.
Anon, what are you smoking. It's an independent state because every single person within it goes through the military and it's surrounded by natural barriers. Sure, post ww2 Switzerland has very little to worry about in terms of invasion due to modern European morality in regards to domination of other states, but it's still politically pressured through diplomatic war.
The cost to take it would be significant and being on the border of France Germany AND Italy it can effectively negotiate with all three to fight around it.
Small states exist because they're worth more to surrounding states uninvaded or not worth invading. You do not have to enslave every local village to gain advantages, there are such things as negotiations and invasion cost.
Why lose a million men on a pointless war over switzerland while they get supplied by their neighbour when you could just leave them alone, use them as a bank, and fight somewhere less difficult to take.
Other even smaller states in Europe exist as a sort of trade city between two nations, the small states are allowed to exist because they hold value.
It's the same reason most humans are not in chains right now, not everything needs to be controlled directly to add value to you. Power isn't all stick and orders.
>the military and it's surrounded by natural barriers. Sure, post ww
As if thats meas anything. All you have to do is park a tank at each mountain pass road and starve them. Their military is shit and their economy is based on fencing stolen goods.
>Starve a nation with access to two larger states borders
Anon have you looked at a map lately they are bordering 3 states on a giant as frick mountain range that stretches miles in three directions, and effectively surrounds the country.
If you mean why doesn't "NATO" or "The EU" starve out the Swiss, then you are severely overestimating the cooperation between European states. We pretend the EU is one bloc working together, but if Germany invaded Switzerland again France or Italy would likely help it, as holding that are would be a strategic threat to their own power in the region.
European states are still mostly independent despite being in the EU, and taking Switzerland by starving them out would not only upset European citizenry too, but would show other border nations that the larger EU nations were hostile to small states, and would pretty quickly cause those nations alignment with other powers that would guarantee their freedom.
Effectively they would likely lose the Baltic's, even those in the EU themselves, to negotiations with Turkey or even Russia.
Your grasp of geopolitics is unfathomably below average.
>Anon have you looked at a map lately they are bordering 3 states on a giant as frick mountain range
Its a hypothetical, moron. The point is the swiss military doesnt matter because these "borders" are just a few roads you can block. If NATO wanted they could either starve or curb stomp Switzerland or a combination so i basically laugh at these comments about how every Swiss knows how to shoot. Like how is that even relevant?
>No it's not. It's an independent, unaligned state. Forcing it into NATO under threats of economic sanction would be an act of imperialism.
cute that you think you are not America's little b***h because you have money
if your country is currently not at war and not in the "axis of evil" list it's because you're America's little b***h
Unless one of those "bitches" wants to build a pipeline to russia
Then americans will moan and nag together with the entire rest of europe... and do nothing while germany builds it anyway.
he doesnt know
Wasn't the Swiss strategy during the Cold war to retreat in NATO territory if invaded and integrate their soldiers into the surrounding countries armies.
No, their country is fortified to the gills. They'd have fought invaders from positions prepared since prehistoric times. The country is covered with bunkers that look like haystacks and barns. Everything is pre-targeted, everything is designed to be quickly and easily demolished to block invaders. The whole country would be a nightmare to try to invade.
>le concrete box with holes for shooting >Swiss Stronk
That isn't going to mean shit when the couple of roads used to import all your food and fuel get blocked by a single tank on each one.
Cuz there's no way the Swiss could have pre-targeted any position tanks would take. And of course there's no way a country whose entire national defense strategy is about hunkering down and forcing the invaders to fight for every inch of ground has been stockpiling food, fuel, and ammo reserves for decades...
>is about hunkering down and forcing the invaders to fight for every inch of groun
Thats the cool thing you dont fight for shit. You block the roads and let the swiss starve.
gorillion tons of beans and rice
They don't have shit.
>With this nobody wants to partner with us anymore, fearing it will not allow them to export stuff or aid others.
I just hope Rheinmetall sees the writing on the wall and pulls out every single production line and subsequently research center out of Switzerland.
How demoralizing. Perhaps you should send a strongly-worded letter to Emperor Dark Brandon? Your argument is very persuasive, so I'm sure he'll issue a decree ordering Switzerland to comply.
Switzerland is defacto a NATO protectorate, why shouldn't it have to contribute to the defence of the free world? Switzerland has already been read the riot act by the rest of the civilized world re: banking secrecy and they caved because they had no choice. This would go the same way.
>https://avia-pro.net/
It literally rusian disinfo.
And i don't mean it in ironic NAFO way.
This is a site that is unironically publishing literal fake news to push russian government propaganda.
For example, few months before the war they claimed that splashed usn f-35 was piloted by first US female pilot on her first flight.
https://avia-pro.net/news/pervaya-v-mire-zhenshchina-pilot-istrebitelya-f-35-razbila-samolyot-v-pervom-zhe-polyote
Funny thing - bunch of poltroons belived them, despite the woman on the photo wearing USAF insignia, plane being USAF version, and whole photoshot being from 7 years ago.
Still, bunch of poltroons actually bought that, endlessly reposting it in western funny sites and social media.
>splashed usn f-35 was piloted by first US female pilot on her first flight.
Sounds reasonable.
You claim a female didn’t crashed that plane. But you need extraordinary proof for extraordinary claims.
Pilot referenced in article was USAF and has been retired for years, so it is literally impossible for her to be flying the plane.
Do you need anything else?
No. It doesn’t explain why she did it.
why she did what?
>Funny thing - bunch of poltroons belived them, despite the woman on the photo wearing USAF insignia, plane being USAF version, and whole photoshot being from 7 years ago.
/misc/ will believe anything that confirms their biases. which is why this
shitskin is responding to you trying to defend himself.
I appreciate the fact-checking you did there
Why the FRICK are countries buying weapons from Switzerland?? Switzerland can kiss their arms industry goodbye after this fiasco, no one wants to risk Switzerland refusing to send them ammo if a serious war kicks off.
I miss old Switzerland where they sent pikemen to fricking EVERYONE.
Nnot surprising.
How many billions of Russian oligarchs are in Swiss banks
Everyone could just tell the Swiss to pound salt and send the weapons anyway. Swiss selfishness is literally killing Ukranian civilians by depriving then of air defence (not just this scuppered deal, but blocking supply of Geperd ammo). Shameless.
Spain should sell the weapons to Poland, then Poland can sell the weapons to Ukraine.
I think Switzerland would have veto over any sale. But I'm arguing NATO and friends just burn Switzerland and ignore any agreements to this effect. It's not like anyone will ever buy any military equipment from Switzerland ever again so who cares.
Sell the weapons and battle Switzerland in the resulting court battle.
A shithole like Spain is heavily reliant on deals with Switzerland, we can't afford to say "well, we're doing it anyway!", nor would it be lawful
>air defense
I get prohibitions on offensive weaponry, but they’d use these to shoot down missiles targeting civilians. Absolute boneheads. Sick of the swiss, these c**ts need to be brought to heel like the banking parasites (but I repeat myself) they are.
I thought Aspides were italian, not swiss
They are, but they have swizz parts in it.
Probably has more to do with the skyguard component of the system and I'm not sure who owns the complete rights to the launchers.
Then they don't get be neutral anymore. Blockade them until they support Ukraine.
Lmao stfu you dirty slave. If we sell weapons to Ukraine we will to Russia too
Based. Let the beggars go without or pay, like everyone else has to.
Kel anybody thinking anybody will ever do anything about switzerland. There is a clear reason why they were never touched really, although they really deserved for their shit: from american to russian to even norks, everybodyy parks there a huge sum of money
Didn't kim studied there as well until his father died?
>everybodyy parks there a huge sum of money
moron doesn't know about fractionnal reserves
if Switzerland actually parked physical money it'd have been invaded more than any other country
Just for the lulz NATO should declare Switzerland a potential ally and start doing exercises on its borders. If the Swiss don't want to share the burden then make them pay the true cost of going it alone.
*a potential adversary
Possession is 9/10ths of the law and the worst the Swiss can do in retaliation is refuse to sell them weapons in the future (lol, lmao even). They should send the stuff anyway and tell the Swiss to suck eggs.
Unfortunately the Swiss control the supply of ammo to their weapons.
The Ukrainians would have to go full China and outright copyright-violate the design, lol.
This thread.
>strawman comic is actually just still wrong
the complaining about weeds IS the problem, because all he does is complain about weeds all day instead of getting off his ass and cleaning them out
"I can't de-weed my yard I'm too busy complaining about my weeds" talk about a lazy excuse
Anon, are you brain-dead. You can't see the metaphor it's trying to convey?
Guess what, it's not actually about weeds. It's about a theoretical weed shilling that talking about both problems and anti-problems, stating that the people taking about them are the real problem.
It frames debate, not action in regards to debate.
Believe it or not you can negotiate around problems, it's obvious that you can't negotiate with weeds. Not all problems can be solved with individual action, this must be solved with debate.
Basically:
>IT'S
>A
>METAPHOR
Goddamn why are you moronic. Look in the mirror tonight and call yourself an idiot sandwich.
nta, but what's the problem here?
He's reading the comic literally and not understanding the metaphor it's trying to convey.
You can't just go out and pull up "weeds", some "weeds" need group support and cooperation, and this must convince large groups to help pull up the weeds across the entire country, since you cannot do all the weeds in the country by yourself.
The point of the comic is to portray those that "two sides" an issue are often shills for the defending side trying to shut down discussion.
Spain was also cucked by Germany (supposedly) when it wanted to send a load of basic surplus Leopard 2s early on. I think they might have needed active German participation to refurbish them though.
>moronic redditors and Russiaboo shills shocked that Switzerland, notoriously and famously known for being neutral, is being neutral
Switzerland sold the weapons to Spain. They shouldn't be a little b***h about it.
>Neutrality
>Sells weapons to independent nations and dictates who those weapons can be used in
>Meanwhile when weapons from other nations are legally transported through them, they sell the data to their adversaries
Swiss aren't neutral, they're just a more developed Israel.
Is that why they send Taiwanese systems to be repaired in CHINA??
https://switzerlandtimes.ch/local/swiss-company-sent-taiwans-missile-parts-to-china/
https://iamexpat.ch/expat-info/swiss-expat-news/international-blunder-swiss-firm-gives-taiwanese-missile-components-china
Holy shit the Swiss are morons.
They're not morons, they're just tickled pink by being buttholes knowing they'll always get away with it, especially if there's more money to be made in it. "Mountain israelite" really couldn't possibly be a more apt moniker for the genuinely conniving, untrustworthy Swiss. Between the Swiss, the Israelis, the French, and the Germans, we really have some hilariously shitty Western "allies" with an utterly outsized capacity (and proven willingness) to jeopardize/compromise a lot of our shit, strategically, for utterly myopic two-bit gains.
This is what happens when you have independent-minded people with lots of direct democracy. They don't stand themselves in harm's way for outside interests.
Swtizerland's existence has always kind of irritated me anyway. I think the US should invade and just start throwing mountain israelites in jail right and left for tax evasion.
They should be returned the East Francia. Same with Italy from Rome north.
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Vatnig whataboutism. Filtered!
Based neutrality Switzerland. Frick Ukrainian tin can shaking
Idk why people are surprised. Switzerland is a neutral country.
SWISS BLOCING, AND GERMANY VLOCKING LEOPARD 2. REMEMBER TO NEVER TRUST THEM
neutral my arse
The last free people of Europe.
Pretty sure the Labrador Günther had that morning was overcooked or something.
The real facts on the ground are as follows:
>Russia is adding another 500k ground forces, which will give if not parity probably a force superiority
>They have larger artillery stocks and appear to be mothballing ammunition in preparation for an offensive
>the chances of Ukiegays retaking the east with such a large army is highly dubious
>NATO isn't intervening, not in a million years
>The casualties for Ukies have been at least 100k and probably higher
>this war is probably going to take years and involve grinding down Ukraine through sheer attrition
nafo = literal trannies, redditgays, other illiterate leftoids working in state department glow ops. Super fricking gay, I want my board back
also; based???
Two more years!!, trust te Z!!
>be a second army in the world
>conduct a 3 day special military operation against your next door neighbour, one if the poorest countries in Europe
>fast forward a year
>m-m-maybe ththe next wave of consription will allow us to achieve force parity with Ukraine and then m-m-m-maybe we'll make some gains
You defecate in the open like an animal anf the bombing of Belgrade was morally right AND funny as frick
I have not seen this image since it started to become obvious it was a /chug/tard that made that account and post.
>nafo = literal trannies, redditgays, other illiterate leftoids working in state department glow ops. Super fricking gay, I want my board back
also; based???
You post like a bot. Go figure you use DEBOONKED images. You are probably Indian.
>avia.pro is russian media that's been known to post total horseshit
>their source is 'it is known'
>thread is full of classic vatnik bump tactics
i would like to see the Swiss announcement please. Otherwise this looks like slidey cope spam.
Spanish army gay here, the ukies completed their training here on Hawk and Aspide systems. The ukie crews went to Ukraine weeks ago and the systems were crated and sent out of RAAC 74 (Regimiento de Artilleria Antiaerea N°74) days ago.
Swiss can block what they want but those systems are on Ukraine yet or at least on the way there.
>the mountain israelite cries out "muh neutrality" as he strikes you
If they are blocking it because muh war then it's bullshit again. It's fricking weapons, what did they think those would be used for?
How about they just sell them anyway? What's Switzerland gonna do? Not selling their weapons anymore?
Swissanon here (the original one). Frick America (frick mutts, frick Black folk, and also lmaoin@banned braces) and frick Ukraine too. Couldn't give less of a frick about this country, they tried to get into NATO and were corrupted as frick they got what was coming at them, the only part that got me mad is the difficulty to get shit from RU now.
I am also John for Switzerland Oblast, I hole-heartedly agree.
The US, Canada, Australia and UK are even better defended than Switzerland by oceans, yet they contribute to the defence of other free peoples instead of smugly sitting neutral in the world like the Swiss.
>Switzerland has been neutral for over 200 years
>end-use control has been pushed on arms exports by le communauté internationale
>Switzerland abides by the rules others came up with
>waaah but now WE want to ignore restrictions on international arms trade!
get bent. Switzerland, you be you.
Cool /misc/ thread.
Why? Because it shows not everyone wants to support a bottomless pit?
Bottomless pit implies you don't see it paying off, but the "worlds second army" is in a battle of attrition a few dozen miles from their border now
I fricking hate the Swiss, my god. Who the frick tries to make themselves a defence industry power while refusing to supply anyone who actually goes to war?
I mean, to be fair to them it's something customers and partners have well known of.
But then again, it's not like Switzerland was forced to hand over shit from their own stockpiles. And it's not like they've been completely neutral, supporting EU's sanction packages.
I don't think the Swiss weapons industry is at great risk. But Rheinmetall needs to build a new facility to produce ammo at.
I think the swiss are going to have problems after the war because no one who is potentially going to fight another nation state is going to buy from them in fear of them not being willing to sell them any ammo, parts, further systems, etc. if they actually go to war.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/28/switzerland-neutral-ukraine-russia-sanctions/
HEY moronS! SEE THE AFOREMENTIONED ARTICLE, SWISS ARE NO LONGER NEUTRAL (THEY NEVER WERE!)
Reexport of war materials to countries currently in a conflict is legally banned at this time. No way to amend this in the short term.
Switzerland has always sanctioned countries and people, it's no news; Russians being buttblasted about not being able to go to St. Moritz won't change what was always the case.
>Switzerland has always sanctioned countries and people
The entire swiss economy is based on breaking all laws, i.e money laundering and aiding international criminals and tax evaders. Without crime Swiss would be like afghanistan, as it once was
Maybe countries that are not in a current conflict such as ANY NATO MEMBER STATE could import Swiss armaments in order to supply Ukraine? Perhaps?
Wrong. The swiss block all transfers of their shit to ukraine for 'neutrality' even if a country bought it before the war.