Switzerland has blocked the supply of Aspide air defense systems to Ukraine

https://avia-pro.net/news/shveycariya-zablokirovala-postavku-ukraine-sistem-pvo-aspide

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that's a real shame. tra la.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How come hohols are butthurt about everyone that cucks them except Switzerland?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      unlike Germany, the Swiss never pretend to be on one side while blocking weapons, and never reluctantly give in while pretending to be "down with it all along, you just never asked"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The average German is a 60 year old, childless pacifist and the government corrupt af. It should be obvious why they don’t send anything, those Leopard tanks can’t be replaced because all the money goes into pension funds

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The average german is a turk with 5 children. The money goes to into his gibs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Swiss probably hide Ukie oligarch billions. Also they're consistently and honestly neutral. Unlike Hungary, that has neutral-ish backstabbing Russian puppet government.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Switzerland knows the gig is up. Why waste money for US imperialism?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >US imperialism
      The united states is not the one invading for land at the current moment.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is Imperialism to stop Russia from rebuilding the Russian empire.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ukraine is not Russian, Russia has no empire. Which, by the way, 100,000+ KIA and losing a war while strengthening the worlds resolve against themselves is a miserable failing if their goal is to rebuild. Shithole country - sad.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tell that to the millions of Natives living in concentration camps, I mean "reservations".

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He said current moment retard. All those natives are US citizens. While the reservations were absolutely just giant concentration camps at one point, they aren't anymore.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          NOBODY. CARES.
          Now shut the fuck up and eat your meth and drink your fire water satchmo.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Natives have nobody to blame but themselves, federal government allows them great autonomy on their lands and instead of investing like certain tribes do (Seminole, Mdewakanton, etc) they embezzle the money to elders and everyone suffers as a result.

          t. Native

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            /r/AsABlackMan

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Black folks
          literally

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh shut up Vatnik and send more of your ethnic minorities to die in Ukraine, until they rise up and tear your nation to shreds.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        US is literally occupying Hawaii and Alaska right now, dude.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ............................ Everyone living there is a US citizen. Fuck the only house rep from Alaska is a native Alaskan. She ran on a salmon based platform. That sounds like representation retard.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Everyone living in annex territories of Southern Russia is a Russian citizen. So it's okay, right?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You are talking about history vs present day retard. If the hawaiians had lead a bloody war against US imperialism, they would have been morally correct. Saying the US is actively occupying Hawaii today is delusional. It's not even comparable to something like Catalonia in Spain. I know this might startle you as you can't imagine it. But people enjoy living in the US, whatever shit hole you crawled out of to post simply doesn't compare. Your whataboutism is pathetic.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              kek the donbabweans tried to escape to russia at the start of the war and were turned back at the border

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Alaska
          >Occupation
          Alaska was legally purchased and Alaskan natives are a rounding error amount of the population, yet in spite of that they still retain most of their ancestral lands under the form of public lands.

          Hawaiians are retarded babies who instead of capitalizing on the amazing wealth brought to their island, have instead spent it on spam and sold their lands to Japanese investors.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Weird to include Alaska here but not the rest of the lower 48 then

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You forget about Puerto Rico.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Alaska
          how so?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          (You) could have named at least three other places and not revealed how utterly retarded (You) are.

          Alaska was originally invaded & occupied by Russia, which then sold it to the United States. Hawaii won the lottery jackpot when the United States claimed it, and then made it a State. There were a number of other countries that were all about claiming Hawaii, and none of them would have been Good Thing for Hawaii. Hawaii was never going to be an independent nation given the timeframe, its incredible size and unbelievable strategic location.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >and none of them would have been Good Thing for Hawaii
            Bongland would have been fine and then they'd have gotten independence.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >and then they'd have gotten independence.
              Only to have been fought over for their strategic importance, if not in WWII (presumably by the US first, but Japan a possibility once it's clear the Brits wouldn't have had the capacity to seriously defend it once hostilities began in the Pacific and Europe), then they'd definitely feel such pressures by the Cold War. Assuming they achieved independence after WWII like many British colonies, then they'd get to enjoy being host to East vs. West fuck-fuck games and communist subversion.

              Frankly I just don't see that being anything approaching a more sane, successful, and above all secure scenario for Hawaii. There isn't really a better outcome for them than having been made a fucking US state. Puerto Rico and Guam could only dream of being so fucking lucky, and one of those definitely deserve the privilege, too.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes breaking treaties and setting up more bases to border russia in ukraine was not acceptable. The US pushed too far and label russia as the aggressors.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What treaty? Post a link to the treaty, every treaty or decree signed by NATO is posted on it’s own website. Post a link to it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cuba Syria Iraq

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Afghanistan
          >Gruzia
          >Ukraine

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The united states is not the one invading for land at the current moment.

        that's just because they got kicked out by goat herders in flip flops last year, not because they don't want to

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that's the general turdworlder opinion, but goatherders got btfo'd by Americans pretty badly. I think Afghanistan is good proof that thirdworlders will always be thirdworlders regardless of NATO training. The Afghan army with it's 2 trillion dollars collapsed like a house of cards, while Ukraine with 50 billion destroyed the Russian army to the point where they can't even take a salt mine kek.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        moron please, we know the Vatmorons are distilled aids and on their last legs. But pretending any of this is in any way shape or form beneficial or even necessary for people in Europe or the US is fucking delusional. At best this is Glowmoron MIC instigated horseshit, at worst this is GloboHomo Glowmoron bullshit ruthlessly exploited to suck up even more middle class wealth and distribute it to their cronies.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >shit on the streets
      >worship cow shit
      >eat dirty unwashed street food prepared in unwashed pots and handled by someone without gloves, who doesn't wash their hands
      >don't wash hands either
      >get brain worms, become retarded and post this

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ivermectin kills the worm

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >become retarded
        Indians are retarded by birth.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why waste money
      How would switzerland waste money by spain giving ukraine their own air defense systems

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you aware yet that the US is just the favorite puppet for the WEF yet, or do you still believe your country is truly sovereign?

      A man makes large volume product with a factory, he doesn't do it himself. You create large volume control with a global control factory. Red while and blue baby. Though the tides are changing. Maybe the Switz are a bit more based than expected.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Vatmoronstan invades their neighbor, trying to take territory from them by force. (Imperialism)
      >Thinks Ukraine fighting back is actually American Imperialism because he was born brown.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Shooting antifa moron breaking into your home and stealing your washing machine is US imperialism

      Ok Magomed.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >swiss doing something shitty
    what a surprise

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Swiss authorities vetoed the supply of Aspide air defense systems by Spain to the armament of Ukraine.

    The Swiss authorities have decided to block the supply of Aspide anti-aircraft missile systems to Ukraine. These air defense systems were to be supplied by Spain, however, due to the fact that the anti-aircraft missile systems were developed jointly with Switzerland, Madrid needed to obtain permission from Zurich, however, this was denied.

    At the moment, it is known that Switzerland considered the supply of Aspide air defense systems to the armament of Ukraine as an inappropriate step. This highlights the fact that Zurich prefers to remain relatively neutral on the conflict in Ukraine.
    Earlier, Spain announced that it intended to transfer two MiM-21 Hawk and Aspide air defense systems to Ukraine, and if they did not object to the supply of American systems to the United States, Switzerland decided that it would not approve the supply of NATO-standard Aspide air defense systems.

    Ukraine has already managed to accuse Switzerland of creating obstacles, however, Zurich has not yet given any answers to such accusations.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that sounds very fake
      Zürich isn't our capital, and the manufacturer who is from a town near Zürich wouldn't object

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The government has to agree, not the company

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the goverment isn't seated in zurich

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I call for Spain to accidentally misplace the blueprints for one, lol.

      Fuck the Swiss.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fuck Ukraine! Those alcoholic proto-vatnik can bleed some more with their Russian cousins.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        fuck you and fuck ukraine

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukraine has already managed to accuse Switzerland of creating obstacles

      Switzerland should accuse Ukraine of not paying their tab.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hello Switzerland
      All good things come to an end
      like your weapons industry
      which seems to be only useful for parades
      >that goes for you too, Germany

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're just being consistent, how is this surprising to anyone?

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Interesting, is this diplomacy going to affect their their sales in the futrure?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Probably they are going to be dead in the water because they are fucking with the only countries they are going to buy their stuff.

      Every contract is going to be full tech transfer or won't be.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    With the mountain garden gnomes, you lose

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why shouldn't NATO sanction Switzerland to make up for the cost of their fuckery. Take a 5 billion dollar chunk out of Nestle or UBS and I bet their change their minds real quick. Basically a NATO defense tax.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Switzerland played actually pretty bad. Since it's neutral, it shouldn't have followed EU sanctions and deliver weapons to Russia and Ukraine. This would be true neutrality.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That would be more based than being namby pamby gays about the whole ordeal tbh

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the whole ordeal
          > "the whole ordeal"
          It's an "ordeal" now. How annoying, how tiresome.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Please stop with this switzerland neutral bullshit. They have not been neutral since WW2 when they were a low-key german ally and they explicitly declared themselves as being o Ukraine's side in this war.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Burger education at its finest, here.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Switzerland explicitly declared support for Ukraine, it was big news since it broke their fake neutrality. And they were german allies too, went as far as shooting down allied aircraft.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Didn't they shoot down axis aircraft too?

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And in the meanwhile Germany is blocking Leopard 2 transfers to Ukraine.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Germany can veto who people sell to
    >Switzerland can veto who people can sell to
    >US can veto who people can sell to

    So are we going to end up seeing a renaissance of national defense industries soon?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      US doesn't usually veto though do they? They just won't even sell to you if they think you'll do something like give weapons to someone they hate.
      I think US veto'd someone selling something to Egypt but besides that I can't recall any.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is just etiquette and contract signatures right? So if you DGAF about future relations from whatever country you can just sell anyway? Is there some 3rd party treaty enforcement? Seems like a big motivation to make your own stuff don't know how such a treaty could have got in place

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >muh neutrality
    Reminder that Putin has over a 100 billion dollars of embezzeled russian state’s money in swiss banks and companies/lands through middle men.
    The Swiss never change.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Nestle
      >Hiding international mass murderers
      >Laundering money from every evil person who has existed for over a century
      Swiss are literally evil

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So Nestle not only makes poor moralfags seethe, they also make my favorite chocolate. It cannot get more based.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They are also a great dividend stock, one of the best in all of euroland

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    once again swiss laws dictate that we cannot allow the export of weapons into a warzone. this includes customers needing our consent if they want to sell these weapons themselves
    these laws came from our whiny lefties that want to gimp our defense industry.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So why anybody will want to buy any swizz weapon if they won't be able to use it in combat?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ask that the SP and GSoA, those retards lobbied for these laws

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly a shame. Switzerland produced a lot of great systems and had a thriving arms industry. With this nobody wants to partner with us anymore, fearing it will not allow them to export stuff or aid others. Even worse, we might block them from supplying themselves in the name of neutrality. No real nation will accept such uncertain dependence on us.

    Though as it is law, we literally can't help Ukraine until we go through the rigorous process of changing it again. But until that has enough backing, our arms industry will already be dead. Nobody will want Swiss stuff by then.
    >But what about neutrality.
    Neutrality means not joining wars and staying out of conflicts. It shouldn't mean killing our industry for nothing. Only one side of this conflict is of economic and political importance to us. And we botched it. FUCK.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe they'll just have to sell without veto rights. Eastern europe will probably boycott swiss arms out of sheer spite, but the rest won't.

      Switzerland is defacto a NATO protectorate, why shouldn't it have to contribute to the defence of the free world? Switzerland has already been read the riot act by the rest of the civilized world re: banking secrecy and they caved because they had no choice. This would go the same way.

      >defacto a NATO protectorate
      No it's not. It's an independent, unaligned state. Forcing it into NATO under threats of economic sanction would be an act of imperialism.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's an independent, unaligned state.
        They declared their support for ukraine and were undeclared germany allies in WW2 (because they sold them machinery and behaved as trading middlemen for them plus the whole banking thing). This idea of swiss neutrality is out of james bond movies.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's an independent unaligned state because it's surrounded by Nato countries and doesn't need to care, same as Austria. They are like people profiting from union contracts but not joining to union themselves to save a few dollars. scum of the earth.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If switzerland was surrounded by threats, it would have nukes by now.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Switzerland has better than nukes, it has everyone’s dirty money.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They still have our fucking gold, goddamn mountain garden gnomes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wait. By "our" do you mean the garden gnomes or the Nazis?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "Yes."

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it's surrounded by Nato countries and doesn't need to care
          Not Switzerland's fault everyone else joined a club.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            switzerland joined the gay marriage club, switerland is not independant and not special, it's peak globohomo just extremely "racist" for a lack of better word against the poor

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's called classism retard.
              Have you not read any history at all?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Switzerland is a parasitic freeloader. If other countries behaved as ruthlessly immorally and purely self-interested Switzerland wouldn't be an independent country today, but instead a component or vessel of some fascist or communist empire.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, what are you smoking. It's an independent state because every single person within it goes through the military and it's surrounded by natural barriers. Sure, post ww2 Switzerland has very little to worry about in terms of invasion due to modern European morality in regards to domination of other states, but it's still politically pressured through diplomatic war.
          The cost to take it would be significant and being on the border of France Germany AND Italy it can effectively negotiate with all three to fight around it.

          Small states exist because they're worth more to surrounding states uninvaded or not worth invading. You do not have to enslave every local village to gain advantages, there are such things as negotiations and invasion cost.

          Why lose a million men on a pointless war over switzerland while they get supplied by their neighbour when you could just leave them alone, use them as a bank, and fight somewhere less difficult to take.

          Other even smaller states in Europe exist as a sort of trade city between two nations, the small states are allowed to exist because they hold value.

          It's the same reason most humans are not in chains right now, not everything needs to be controlled directly to add value to you. Power isn't all stick and orders.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the military and it's surrounded by natural barriers. Sure, post ww
            As if thats meas anything. All you have to do is park a tank at each mountain pass road and starve them. Their military is shit and their economy is based on fencing stolen goods.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Starve a nation with access to two larger states borders
              Anon have you looked at a map lately they are bordering 3 states on a giant as fuck mountain range that stretches miles in three directions, and effectively surrounds the country.
              If you mean why doesn't "NATO" or "The EU" starve out the Swiss, then you are severely overestimating the cooperation between European states. We pretend the EU is one bloc working together, but if Germany invaded Switzerland again France or Italy would likely help it, as holding that are would be a strategic threat to their own power in the region.
              European states are still mostly independent despite being in the EU, and taking Switzerland by starving them out would not only upset European citizenry too, but would show other border nations that the larger EU nations were hostile to small states, and would pretty quickly cause those nations alignment with other powers that would guarantee their freedom.
              Effectively they would likely lose the Baltic's, even those in the EU themselves, to negotiations with Turkey or even Russia.
              Your grasp of geopolitics is unfathomably below average.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon have you looked at a map lately they are bordering 3 states on a giant as fuck mountain range
                Its a hypothetical, retard. The point is the swiss military doesnt matter because these "borders" are just a few roads you can block. If NATO wanted they could either starve or curb stomp Switzerland or a combination so i basically laugh at these comments about how every Swiss knows how to shoot. Like how is that even relevant?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >No it's not. It's an independent, unaligned state. Forcing it into NATO under threats of economic sanction would be an act of imperialism.
        cute that you think you are not America's moron because you have money

        if your country is currently not at war and not in the "axis of evil" list it's because you're America's moron

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Unless one of those "bitches" wants to build a pipeline to russia
          Then americans will moan and nag together with the entire rest of europe... and do nothing while germany builds it anyway.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            he doesnt know

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wasn't the Swiss strategy during the Cold war to retreat in NATO territory if invaded and integrate their soldiers into the surrounding countries armies.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, their country is fortified to the gills. They'd have fought invaders from positions prepared since prehistoric times. The country is covered with bunkers that look like haystacks and barns. Everything is pre-targeted, everything is designed to be quickly and easily demolished to block invaders. The whole country would be a nightmare to try to invade.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >le concrete box with holes for shooting >Swiss Stronk
            That isn't going to mean shit when the couple of roads used to import all your food and fuel get blocked by a single tank on each one.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Cuz there's no way the Swiss could have pre-targeted any position tanks would take. And of course there's no way a country whose entire national defense strategy is about hunkering down and forcing the invaders to fight for every inch of ground has been stockpiling food, fuel, and ammo reserves for decades...

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >is about hunkering down and forcing the invaders to fight for every inch of groun
                Thats the cool thing you dont fight for shit. You block the roads and let the swiss starve.

                [...]

                gorillion tons of beans and rice
                They don't have shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >With this nobody wants to partner with us anymore, fearing it will not allow them to export stuff or aid others.
      I just hope Rheinmetall sees the writing on the wall and pulls out every single production line and subsequently research center out of Switzerland.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How demoralizing. Perhaps you should send a strongly-worded letter to Emperor Dark Brandon? Your argument is very persuasive, so I'm sure he'll issue a decree ordering Switzerland to comply.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Switzerland is defacto a NATO protectorate, why shouldn't it have to contribute to the defence of the free world? Switzerland has already been read the riot act by the rest of the civilized world re: banking secrecy and they caved because they had no choice. This would go the same way.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >https://avia-pro.net/
    It literally rusian disinfo.
    And i don't mean it in ironic NAFO way.
    This is a site that is unironically publishing literal fake news to push russian government propaganda.

    For example, few months before the war they claimed that splashed usn f-35 was piloted by first US female pilot on her first flight.
    https://avia-pro.net/news/pervaya-v-mire-zhenshchina-pilot-istrebitelya-f-35-razbila-samolyot-v-pervom-zhe-polyote
    Funny thing - bunch of polchuds belived them, despite the woman on the photo wearing USAF insignia, plane being USAF version, and whole photoshot being from 7 years ago.
    Still, bunch of polchuds actually bought that, endlessly reposting it in western funny sites and social media.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >splashed usn f-35 was piloted by first US female pilot on her first flight.
      Sounds reasonable.
      You claim a female didn’t crashed that plane. But you need extraordinary proof for extraordinary claims.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pilot referenced in article was USAF and has been retired for years, so it is literally impossible for her to be flying the plane.
        Do you need anything else?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No. It doesn’t explain why she did it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            why she did what?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Funny thing - bunch of polchuds belived them, despite the woman on the photo wearing USAF insignia, plane being USAF version, and whole photoshot being from 7 years ago.
      4chan will believe anything that confirms their biases. which is why this

      >splashed usn f-35 was piloted by first US female pilot on her first flight.
      Sounds reasonable.
      You claim a female didn’t crashed that plane. But you need extraordinary proof for extraordinary claims.

      shitskin is responding to you trying to defend himself.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I appreciate the fact-checking you did there

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why the FUCK are countries buying weapons from Switzerland?? Switzerland can kiss their arms industry goodbye after this fiasco, no one wants to risk Switzerland refusing to send them ammo if a serious war kicks off.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I miss old Switzerland where they sent pikemen to fucking EVERYONE.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nnot surprising.
    How many billions of Russian oligarchs are in Swiss banks

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone could just tell the Swiss to pound salt and send the weapons anyway. Swiss selfishness is literally killing Ukranian civilians by depriving then of air defence (not just this scuppered deal, but blocking supply of Geperd ammo). Shameless.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Spain should sell the weapons to Poland, then Poland can sell the weapons to Ukraine.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think Switzerland would have veto over any sale. But I'm arguing NATO and friends just burn Switzerland and ignore any agreements to this effect. It's not like anyone will ever buy any military equipment from Switzerland ever again so who cares.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sell the weapons and battle Switzerland in the resulting court battle.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A shithole like Spain is heavily reliant on deals with Switzerland, we can't afford to say "well, we're doing it anyway!", nor would it be lawful

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >air defense

    I get prohibitions on offensive weaponry, but they’d use these to shoot down missiles targeting civilians. Absolute boneheads. Sick of the swiss, these cunts need to be brought to heel like the banking parasites (but I repeat myself) they are.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I thought Aspides were italian, not swiss

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are, but they have swizz parts in it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Probably has more to do with the skyguard component of the system and I'm not sure who owns the complete rights to the launchers.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Then they don't get be neutral anymore. Blockade them until they support Ukraine.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lmao stfu you dirty slave. If we sell weapons to Ukraine we will to Russia too

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Based. Let the beggars go without or pay, like everyone else has to.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kel anybody thinking anybody will ever do anything about switzerland. There is a clear reason why they were never touched really, although they really deserved for their shit: from american to russian to even norks, everybodyy parks there a huge sum of money
    Didn't kim studied there as well until his father died?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >everybodyy parks there a huge sum of money
      retard doesn't know about fractionnal reserves

      if Switzerland actually parked physical money it'd have been invaded more than any other country

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just for the lulz NATO should declare Switzerland a potential ally and start doing exercises on its borders. If the Swiss don't want to share the burden then make them pay the true cost of going it alone.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      *a potential adversary

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Possession is 9/10ths of the law and the worst the Swiss can do in retaliation is refuse to sell them weapons in the future (lol, lmao even). They should send the stuff anyway and tell the Swiss to suck eggs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unfortunately the Swiss control the supply of ammo to their weapons.

      The Ukrainians would have to go full China and outright copyright-violate the design, lol.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This thread.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >strawman comic is actually just still wrong
      the complaining about weeds IS the problem, because all he does is complain about weeds all day instead of getting off his ass and cleaning them out

      "I can't de-weed my yard I'm too busy complaining about my weeds" talk about a lazy excuse

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, are you brain-dead. You can't see the metaphor it's trying to convey?
        Guess what, it's not actually about weeds. It's about a theoretical weed shilling that talking about both problems and anti-problems, stating that the people taking about them are the real problem.
        It frames debate, not action in regards to debate.
        Believe it or not you can negotiate around problems, it's obvious that you can't negotiate with weeds. Not all problems can be solved with individual action, this must be solved with debate.
        Basically:
        >IT'S
        >A
        >METAPHOR
        Goddamn why are you retarded. Look in the mirror tonight and call yourself an idiot sandwich.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nta, but what's the problem here?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He's reading the comic literally and not understanding the metaphor it's trying to convey.
            You can't just go out and pull up "weeds", some "weeds" need group support and cooperation, and this must convince large groups to help pull up the weeds across the entire country, since you cannot do all the weeds in the country by yourself.

            The point of the comic is to portray those that "two sides" an issue are often shills for the defending side trying to shut down discussion.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spain was also cucked by Germany (supposedly) when it wanted to send a load of basic surplus Leopard 2s early on. I think they might have needed active German participation to refurbish them though.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Retarded redditors and Russiaboo shills shocked that Switzerland, notoriously and famously known for being neutral, is being neutral

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Switzerland sold the weapons to Spain. They shouldn't be a moron about it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Neutrality
      >Sells weapons to independent nations and dictates who those weapons can be used in
      >Meanwhile when weapons from other nations are legally transported through them, they sell the data to their adversaries
      Swiss aren't neutral, they're just a more developed Israel.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is that why they send Taiwanese systems to be repaired in CHINA??

      https://switzerlandtimes.ch/local/swiss-company-sent-taiwans-missile-parts-to-china/
      https://iamexpat.ch/expat-info/swiss-expat-news/international-blunder-swiss-firm-gives-taiwanese-missile-components-china

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Holy shit the Swiss are morons.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Holy shit the Swiss are morons.

        They're not morons, they're just tickled pink by being assholes knowing they'll always get away with it, especially if there's more money to be made in it. "Mountain garden gnome" really couldn't possibly be a more apt moniker for the genuinely conniving, untrustworthy Swiss. Between the Swiss, the Israelis, the French, and the Germans, we really have some hilariously shitty Western "allies" with an utterly outsized capacity (and proven willingness) to jeopardize/compromise a lot of our shit, strategically, for utterly myopic two-bit gains.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is what happens when you have independent-minded people with lots of direct democracy. They don't stand themselves in harm's way for outside interests.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Swtizerland's existence has always kind of irritated me anyway. I think the US should invade and just start throwing mountain garden gnomes in jail right and left for tax evasion.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They should be returned the East Francia. Same with Italy from Rome north.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    56765850
    Vatnig whataboutism. Filtered!

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Based neutrality Switzerland. Fuck Ukrainian tin can shaking

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Idk why people are surprised. Switzerland is a neutral country.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SWISS BLOCING, AND GERMANY VLOCKING LEOPARD 2. REMEMBER TO NEVER TRUST THEM

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    neutral my arse

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The last free people of Europe.

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty sure the Labrador Günther had that morning was overcooked or something.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The real facts on the ground are as follows:
    >Russia is adding another 500k ground forces, which will give if not parity probably a force superiority
    >They have larger artillery stocks and appear to be mothballing ammunition in preparation for an offensive
    >the chances of Ukiefags retaking the east with such a large army is highly dubious
    >NATO isn't intervening, not in a million years
    >The casualties for Ukies have been at least 100k and probably higher
    >this war is probably going to take years and involve grinding down Ukraine through sheer attrition

    nafo = literal trannies, redditfags, other illiterate leftoids working in state department glow ops. Super fucking gay, I want my board back
    also; based???

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Two more years!!, trust te Z!!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >be a second army in the world
      >conduct a 3 day special military operation against your next door neighbour, one if the poorest countries in Europe
      >fast forward a year
      >m-m-maybe ththe next wave of consription will allow us to achieve force parity with Ukraine and then m-m-m-maybe we'll make some gains
      You defecate in the open like an animal anf the bombing of Belgrade was morally right AND funny as fuck

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have not seen this image since it started to become obvious it was a /chug/tard that made that account and post.

      >nafo = literal trannies, redditfags, other illiterate leftoids working in state department glow ops. Super fucking gay, I want my board back
      also; based???
      You post like a bot. Go figure you use DEBOONKED images. You are probably Indian.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >avia.pro is russian media that's been known to post total horseshit
    >their source is 'it is known'
    >thread is full of classic vatnik bump tactics

    i would like to see the Swiss announcement please. Otherwise this looks like slidey cope spam.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spanish army fag here, the ukies completed their training here on Hawk and Aspide systems. The ukie crews went to Ukraine weeks ago and the systems were crated and sent out of RAAC 74 (Regimiento de Artilleria Antiaerea N°74) days ago.

    Swiss can block what they want but those systems are on Ukraine yet or at least on the way there.

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the mountain garden gnome cries out "muh neutrality" as he strikes you

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they are blocking it because muh war then it's bullshit again. It's fucking weapons, what did they think those would be used for?

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How about they just sell them anyway? What's Switzerland gonna do? Not selling their weapons anymore?

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Swissanon here (the original one). Fuck America (fuck mutts, fuck morons, and also [email protected] braces) and fuck Ukraine too. Couldn't give less of a fuck about this country, they tried to get into NATO and were corrupted as fuck they got what was coming at them, the only part that got me mad is the difficulty to get shit from RU now.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I am also John for Switzerland Oblast, I hole-heartedly agree.

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The US, Canada, Australia and UK are even better defended than Switzerland by oceans, yet they contribute to the defence of other free peoples instead of smugly sitting neutral in the world like the Swiss.

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Switzerland has been neutral for over 200 years
    >end-use control has been pushed on arms exports by le communauté internationale
    >Switzerland abides by the rules others came up with
    >waaah but now WE want to ignore restrictions on international arms trade!
    get bent. Switzerland, you be you.

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cool 4chan thread.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why? Because it shows not everyone wants to support a bottomless pit?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bottomless pit implies you don't see it paying off, but the "worlds second army" is in a battle of attrition a few dozen miles from their border now

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I fucking hate the Swiss, my god. Who the fuck tries to make themselves a defence industry power while refusing to supply anyone who actually goes to war?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, to be fair to them it's something customers and partners have well known of.
      But then again, it's not like Switzerland was forced to hand over shit from their own stockpiles. And it's not like they've been completely neutral, supporting EU's sanction packages.
      I don't think the Swiss weapons industry is at great risk. But Rheinmetall needs to build a new facility to produce ammo at.

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think the swiss are going to have problems after the war because no one who is potentially going to fight another nation state is going to buy from them in fear of them not being willing to sell them any ammo, parts, further systems, etc. if they actually go to war.

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/28/switzerland-neutral-ukraine-russia-sanctions/

    HEY RETARDS! SEE THE AFOREMENTIONED ARTICLE, SWISS ARE NO LONGER NEUTRAL (THEY NEVER WERE!)

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reexport of war materials to countries currently in a conflict is legally banned at this time. No way to amend this in the short term.
    Switzerland has always sanctioned countries and people, it's no news; Russians being buttblasted about not being able to go to St. Moritz won't change what was always the case.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Switzerland has always sanctioned countries and people

      The entire swiss economy is based on breaking all laws, i.e money laundering and aiding international criminals and tax evaders. Without crime Swiss would be like afghanistan, as it once was

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe countries that are not in a current conflict such as ANY NATO MEMBER STATE could import Swiss armaments in order to supply Ukraine? Perhaps?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong. The swiss block all transfers of their shit to ukraine for 'neutrality' even if a country bought it before the war.

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