Sweden to send Archers to Ukraine

Swedish FM Bilström: "Autum's big aid package will be followed by another, and this time it will include the Archers, something Ukraine clearly requested. It is not a question of whether, but when we send it."

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is everyone suddenly becoming way more generous

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's no chance for a Russian win now. (There never was, but we mostly didn't know that at the time). Now the lesser West are going for participation trophies. To be slightly more serious, military manufacturing for export items takes time. Most of these countries had lean stockpiles, and weren't willing to risk their domestic defense for Ukie gibs.

      I'm loving it, of course. It's going to be a fun game of 'what killed this Vatnik?' Was it HIMARS? Was it Archer? Was it a drone? This should be a gameshow, honestly.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ruskies are gearing up for an mobik offensive on Kharkiv.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There seems to have been a change in war-goals. Previously the plan was to stall Russia and force them to negotiate while their economy crumbles. Now the plan is to simply drive them out entirely.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Makes sense. On top, Europe's economy has cut almost all ties to Russia, so there is hardly any risk of backslash from whatever sanctions Russia may impose.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Europe's economy has cut all ties to reality.

          https://www.dw.com/en/economy-recession-rears-its-ugly-head-in-germany/a-63444401

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Russia will not exist within a year.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The economy ministry expects Germany's gross domestic product to grow by 1.4% this year and then decline by 0.4% next year.

            meanwhile in vatnikstan
            >According to independent analysis by the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), 2022 is a bad year for the Russian economy. By the end of 2022, Russia’s gross domestic product (GDP) is expected to drop by at least 3.4% in the best-case scenario and by up to 4.5% in the worst-case scenario. Russia’s economy will continue to shrink in 2023. Its GDP is forecast to decline by 2.3% year on year in the best-case scenario and by 5.6% in the worst-case scenario.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Makes sense. On top, Europe's economy has cut almost all ties to Russia, so there is hardly any risk of backslash from whatever sanctions Russia may impose.

          No it hasn't. They just stopped selling most stuff to Russia and taking tourists.
          They're still buying Russia oil and gas (CNG) albeit less than before. Why do you think they were talking about a $60 price cap??
          Russian LNG isn't even sanctioned either. Greek-owned ships alone transport 60% of Russian oil to overseas markets.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is actually public knowledge that there is a multi stage plan by the western alliance regarding arming and training the Ukrainians. Just skip through the panzernerd vidoes, you will find it.
      After stabilization and attrition we are likely moving to a build up phase for massive mechanized offensives to kick the Russians out of Ukraine.
      Meanwhile more and more legacy equipment will be phased out in favor of western supplied gear while Ukrainians are being trained up.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >stabilization
        Sorry to burst your bubble but Russia is making massive gains. They took the 18th Soledar and the 84th Bakhmut today

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So now they'll get stuck at the next city for 6 months

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sorry. I forgot that russian offensive operations are so successful that we are talking about the occupation of individual villages now as if it were a repeat of Operation Bagration.
          Thank you for reminding me, anon.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's a lull in the combat so there's time for Ukrainians to get trained. Plus, there's a recognition that Ukraine can gear up for a proper offense in the spring and summer and actually win, rather than give them enough to hold on to what they've secured. There's been some dams broken like France, Germany, and the U.S. sending armoured vehicles and there's less taboo against it now. The expectation now isn't just MANPADs and guns with some HIMARS, but the weapons they need to take Crimea and Donbas.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There never was a taboo, it just didn’t make sense in the confines of the training and arming strategy NATO had developed. Since there is no advantage in telling the Russians what you plan on doing in what timeframe, you need to come up with all kinds of political BS to keep the public occupied.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Europeans are sure they can survive the winter without bowing to Russia.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rewards for "100k dead vatniks" achievement

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We need new killstreaks for Ukraine

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because this was entertaining for a while but now it's time for NATO to crush the vatniks.

      NATO has had the first fun in 30 years, now it's time to go back to work.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >1980
        >NATO SEEMS TO EXIST TO TORMENT THE USSR

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Happy new year!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm pretty sure that these donations are because these countries saw that the Russian threat meant fuckall. NATO are obviously going full generosity mode, since Ukraine has proven time and time again in 2022-2023, that they're loyal to what they're given, and that they're successful with these tools.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      New phase. Putin is standing on one leg and the whole Russia is a out to implode from the overflow of PMCs. It's time to end the Ukraine war and start the Russian civil war.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe they are now finishing training. No point in sending shit that cant be effectively used.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because now the plans have shifted for making russia to consolidate and go for peace to defeat russia entirely, as russians proved themselves perfidous and unreliable business partners

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Post a link, or did they state it at FOF today?

    t. Swede

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/billstrom-ukraina-ska--ges-mer-offensiva-vapen/

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thx

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no one speaks that!
        Do you have the same in white?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        """the expectation""" is 6-8 weeks and it needs to be greenlit by a bunch of subhumans who manufacture components before it can be sent
        its just a bunch of standard politics talk

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Production has been going on for years, I dont see why it would stop now tho?

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know if it's any better than the other self propelled stuff they've gotten so far but it certainly is up there in terms of looks

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s the spirit of the holidays.
    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
    ho ho ho

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mate it's the 21st century. What the fuck are they thinking sending Archers? Send them artillery or something, bows and arrows haven't been relevent in like 500 years..

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tell that to Jack Churchill.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Archer is terrible artillery system

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you're a terrible person and your parents are ashamed of you

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It comes in a flat box and you have to assemble it by yourself with a fucking hex key

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          but the hex key is included

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but it is the wrong size
            As a joke

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, we do that as a joke sometimes, you want me to send you the right one?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >all the hex heads have been stripped round, unable to get anything to bite
              >HAH! IMPERIAL BITS ON METRIC HEADS STYLE, HOW'D YOU LIKE IT?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Vatmoron detected
          IKEA packaging is the epitome of logistical efficiency.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Vatmoron seeth.
          Desperately trying to cope with Ikea leaving vatnikistan

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >good logistics make the vatnik confused and angry

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I see that the concept of logistics continues to baffle Russia and its supporters.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes but the meatballs we're sending with them makes the whole deal worth it

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want to see archer + cv9040s delivered

    Sweden should have cv90s to spare. I really want to hear some first hand accounts on the artillery hauler concept

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Sweden should have cv90s to spare.
      We dont. Only ~550 or so CV9040s of all variants were produced and all of them are in use with either active or reserve units now. A few years ago some would have been available

      >I really want to hear some first hand accounts on the artillery hauler concept
      I have been in them and seen them in use many times in training. They seem to do just fine, but nothing compares to real combat ofc

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sweden only has 48 Archers and they'll send 18 of them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Production is ongoing, the current plan is to field 72, but that will liekly increase too.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hope they grind a lot of mobniks to ash and ruin.
    >Finally we shall have our vengeance for the war of 1808-1809

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's over! Another (fewer than 50) aid package of western hand-me-downs has arrived! Russia is finished!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Hand me downs
      You alredy have downs anon, these are new production vehicles beeing shipped. And it will be great sales PR for BAE when they are combat proven.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what's the use case for this compared to say, a HIMARS? More shoot n scoot but less precison?

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    probably because Russian resolve is becoming clear. Despite losing a shiton of men and equipment, operating near retard levels of combat efficiency, they have likewise exhausted Ukraine of men and material. It's almost like spending the last decade fighting insurgency in Ukraine and Syria taught them strategic lessons about modern warfare in the context of their own institutions and equipment.

    There are less than 10k westerners fighting in any capacity in Ukraine and Ukraine has a fraction of the population of Russia, and have taken a battering themselves. If you look at just Ukraine, they have little to no domestic military production, deeply fractured infastructure and direct reliance on continued NATO support. Despite the sanctions and internal issues present, Russia is much better off in these respects. Should a truce be announced today, the results would be roughly similar to the results in the Winter War, a truce acceptable to Stalin.

    Over the last couple weeks
    >more HIMARS
    >Bradley
    >Leopard
    >Archers
    >MRAPS

    Over the War
    >stingers
    >javelins
    >thousands of artillery pieces
    >Soviet armour of all sorts from across eastern europe
    >billions of rounds of ammo and millions of small arms
    >drone, drones, DRONES!
    >direct intel from DOD
    >pissload of specialty equipment

    This has become a serious commitment by NATO and I think it's starting to eat into the smaller budget countries stockpiles who were due for an upgrade, owed the DOD a favor (Poland with tanks is a good example.) but are now unable to replenish and therefore, in the short term, dependent on a Ukrainian victory. The fact US armour is being sent directly to Ukraine also shows the severity of the situation for Ukraine.

    It's not over in two weeks, probably not a year, but the meatgrinder will go on until the knee is bent. Should NATO formally deploy, nuclear war. Should Russia use nukes on Ukraine, nuclear war. It will continue this way until Ukraine breaks or a truce is signed.

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