Sweden has decided to donate two ASC-890 AEW&C aircraft to Ukraine

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OOK OOK NOOK NOOK

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "Entirely new abulity for Ukraine's air defense"
      * Ukraine has a major need to strengthen it's air defense.
      * Sweden's support is formed as part of the fighter jet coalition.
      * Radar surveillance and leading/coordination plane ASC 890
      **strengthens the consolidated ability to identify and combat targets at long ranges
      **infreases Ukraine's ability to work with the F-16 fighter jet system

      Or something like that, anyway.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gripens look different from how I remember

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gripens were put on pause for better integration of the F-16s

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gonna look sick when covered with ERAs

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's with the rhombus-looking motherfricker straddling it? Do the ukes tell him to piss off and he gallops back to Sweden or what?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what? the big rectangle on top? that's a radar

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its two AESA radar sitting back to back
      each provide a 180 degree scan of the environment surrounding the aircraft

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >its two AESA radar sitting back to back
        >each provide a 180 degree scan of the environment surrounding the aircraft

        You can not scan 180 degrees with an AESA radar, its like 120 degrees at best, and you lose performance when you are off axis.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Erieye radar has 150 degree scan + track and some capability to detect aircraft in the 30 degree deadspots, but these aircraft sit hundreds of kilometers away so used correctly should never need that

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      giant eyeballs that can feed targeting data to f-16s etc while missiles are still in flight through link 16 from 400km

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Claymore

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah cool but who will operate it?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      none of your beeswax

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ethnic Swedes that were living in Ukraine for centuries

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My favorite ukrainian village

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm torn between New York and Stinky.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Mylove was cute

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is the worst news ziggers could've gotten in years.
      Modern AWACS with AESA shiny letting F-16s lob AMRAAMs or bolted in Meteors at full range. Filthy.

      We're RETVRNING to the times of Varyag Vikings showing steppe mongoloids who's the boss.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wet leasing (leasing the plane alongside crew) is extremely common in the civil aviation world, I can't imagine AWACS crews will be flabbergasted by the prospect.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Polish-African mercenaries

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        would

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Muh dick

          Why? Just become affluent enough that you can get several women pregnant without worries.

          Me too, anon. Me too.

          I have got to stop lusting after brown women

          filthy Black person homosexual from reddit leave now

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Muh dick

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have got to stop lusting after brown women

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why? Just become affluent enough that you can get several women pregnant without worries.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Me too, anon. Me too.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i wouldn't worry about it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Me

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Serious question, I have a type rating for this plane. Who do I talk to to volunteer?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Theres no way your one of the like 20 dudes who are actually qualified to fly this plane

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He probably means the civilian version of the craft, of which there are hundreds around.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Theres no way your one of the like 20 dudes who are actually qualified to fly this plane

          The SAAB 340 is also a regional short haul air liner so you are wrong.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      transport plane pilots and ground radar operators?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Volunteers now be quiet

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Borisven Johannson

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You know who. He cannot be contained anymore.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        legend

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Certified /k/ing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Operators, obviously

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Varangians

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      your mom

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        #told

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      IAF and Mossad veteran Eli Kopter

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TOTAL
    ZIGGER
    DEATH

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  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    big big shlongus for puccia

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    but how will the Ukrainians defend this in the air with just a handful of MiGs at their disposal?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      by flying over a Patriot battery that will shoot down any R-37 that can theoretically reach it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ziggers don't have the radars or the AWACS integration to conduct AWACS hunting at all.
      Whatever they still have on the ground is getting torched with ATACMS.
      Bad luck.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It has the range to stay well away from the frontlines, it could just hang out in a pattern somewhere between Kiev and Odessa in airspace largely covered by ground air defenses and still provide tracking of cruise missiles heading for the center and northern region.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Putin is pushing nato international combined arms so hard.
    Another 5D chess victory for the grandmaster zar.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good lord, I hope they have a crew ready to go

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. Capt Sven Svensonki and Lt. Gustav Ukrainiski. Both born and bred in Ukraine.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Holy fug, Ziggers on suicide watch

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not just set them on fire? It would be the same thing.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fighterbomber status?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Eternaly butthurt

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will it jam Russian radar by blasting Bladee?

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What the swedish generals think will happen:
    this plane spots enemy aircraft with it's radar and f-16 will destroy them all.

    What will really happen: russians use 100x radar energy and this flying broom is a sitting target to hypersonic fighter jets including but not limited to: the su57

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wouldn’t that mean Total Radar Death from HARM spam and also require those Russian jets to fly in Patriot range?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And then everyone on the bus clapped

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yea

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we will nuke now*~~

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    does this mean Ukraine will have more and better flying radars then Russia

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How capable are they? I know that the Thai airforce is using them

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Better than A-50

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russians have the R-37 which is meant for long range kills and they also have long range surface to air missiles which are meant for AWACS kills. So this thing will most likely be used circling over Romania trying to peek in over Crimea or something like that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russian monkey models of r-37 they are selling have range of 200km, therefore I believe they have only 200km range

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If it causes a lot of trouble for Russians, it will be destroyed with S-400 from Belarus territory

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hope Lukashenko likes his potatoes fried then.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Potato King won’t do shit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it will be destroyed with S-400
      But the ASC-890 is based on a Swedish design, not a Soviet or Russian one. Don't get me wrong, the S-400 absolutely leads the pack when it comes to shooting down Russian aircraft, but has it ever scored a kill against one made by Saab?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        savage

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          lmao the trollface. This meme war.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know if you remember it, but in the runup to the war there was a spate of hijackings on Russian numbers stations that seemed to be entirely for trolling purposes.

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            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

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  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all the shitposting in thread has Convinced Me that Nato is actually very Weak and Not Strong

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      doesn't work the other way around, come up with something original or no (you)'s

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-knows-it-is-finished/ar-BB1nd2bW
    It’s over. Sending weapons is just a waste of money now

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >But Saar, the opinion piece we inserted on MSN!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Did the saars fake this too?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Seems pretty meaningless to me.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The President of the United States is literally ditching a large peace summit being run by Ukraine for the purpose of attending a fricking campaign fundraiser. Not only is that a slap in the face, it makes Biden himself look bad — NO ONE AT A BIDEN FUNDRAISER WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM IF YOU GOES TO THE SUMMIT, and in fact will like him MORE for being properly Presidential in a times of war in Europe. Not a SINGLE person will not give money to Biden, not a SINGLE celebrity will hate Biden if he doesn’t personally go to the fundraiser for the sake of a large peace summit supporting a critical ally. He could damn well send in a life video feed from Switzerland and use the opportunity to talk about how he’s leading the world to peace or something which would make him look BETTER than anything he could do being there in person. What this shows is a BRUTAL leadership crisis, and there’s no Indian troll farm that made it up, it was done by Biden himself. Deal with reality for once.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ok schizo

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Do you often find when you talk to people in real life they kinda lean away and suddenly discover errands they have to run?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/RXEXgUR.jpeg

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-knows-it-is-finished/ar-BB1nd2bW
          It’s over. Sending weapons is just a waste of money now

          >Actually I really like the mainstream news now!
          The dishonesty and hypocrisy of /misc/troons is legendary

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The President of the United States is literally ditching a large peace summit being run by Ukraine for the purpose of attending a fricking campaign fundraiser. Not only is that a slap in the face, it makes Biden himself look bad — NO ONE AT A BIDEN FUNDRAISER WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM IF YOU GOES TO THE SUMMIT, and in fact will like him MORE for being properly Presidential in a times of war in Europe. Not a SINGLE person will not give money to Biden, not a SINGLE celebrity will hate Biden if he doesn’t personally go to the fundraiser for the sake of a large peace summit supporting a critical ally. He could damn well send in a life video feed from Switzerland and use the opportunity to talk about how he’s leading the world to peace or something which would make him look BETTER than anything he could do being there in person. What this shows is a BRUTAL leadership crisis, and there’s no Indian troll farm that made it up, it was done by Biden himself. Deal with reality for once.

          Imagine if Trump instead will come, while Biden prioritize instead meeting his donors. That would be hilarious.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Based Zelensky shitting on Biden for being a senile gay.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukraine cannot survive without western support
      You're gloating over shilling for more gibs to Ukraine lmfao.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is even bigger of a reason to send more weapons

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >story by a literal vatBlack person
      -15

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They destroyed OldSwedenVillage. Now our eyebrows are raised and they will learn...

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you have a source in English pls, is this thing better than a E3?

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    government powerpoints my beloved

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they're giving these plans then almost certainly crews have been training for a long time in secret.

    Gripen would be a perfect compliment... just sayin'....

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This little tidbit came yesterday: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-halts-plan-gripen-jets-ukraine-news-agency-tt-reports-2024-05-28/

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Where these Gripen coming from? The only country I can think of who has them but doesn't use them is South Africa. Good luck getting them to play ball. Otherwise everyone else with them are t going to give them up, and they don't grow on trees either.

      That being said, yes Gripen is practically made for this war and for Ukranian operation (easy maintenance, austere runway capabilities, smol rcs etc).

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gripes are planned after F-16s get deployed

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Gripen would be a perfect compliment
      Unless you can shit them out of your ass at a rate of one or two per month, it's not happening.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is it feasible to adapt Meteor to Ukraine's F16s? Ukraine needs a long range fire and forget air to air missile if it's not going to be losing its new F16s and AWACS to long range Russian missiles.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Considering the stuff they've bolted onto their Fulcrums I can't imagine it'd be overly hard to adapt a NATO missile to a NATO fighter.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        An air to air missile would require a lot more in the way of integration than the air to ground weapons Ukraine has be nigrigging onto its Soviet planes. With those they can just input the targets location on the ground.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Meteors have an active radar + Link-16 from AWACS

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The limitation, once again, of these missiles is not their kinematic capabilities, it's their sensor package. The F-16s they're getting do not have the radars that it'd need to fully take advantage of Meteors. Later variant Cs will be just fine. They're not gonna bring the fight to the VKS in any case, air combat is a numbers game, they'll be running CAP, CAS and SEAD missions not trying to establish air superiority.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You just ignore that F-16 has onboard acq radars and use the AWACS datalink for zigger hunting.
        That's the idea basically.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          AWACS datalink alone cannot provide a sufficiently high quality track for good PK. If you want to some semblance of accuracy you'd have to get the AWACS uncomfortably close to the frontline to do so.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It can, they're pretty high-fidelity AESAs.
            Either way ziggers have very little in the way of AWACS-hunting, radars too antique for that.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Anon, setting aside temporarily whether or not it can or cannot provide a good track, AWACS are frickhuge targets. They do not require super modern radars to find. Also, R-37 may not be a lot of the things armatard and his buddies try to make it out to be but it was designed for the anti-AWACS role. I would not be fricking around with my AWACS anywhere near the frontline.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They do not require super modern radars to find
                Neither do drone cessnas or SRBMs from the 90s.
                Russia failed to interdict both.
                They had cruise missile attacks under direct AWACS surveillance in Crimea.
                >but it was designed for the anti-AWACS role
                It can hopefully fly that long but first you gotta find and acquire targets.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Those aren't actively emitting targets anon, an AWACS is pumping out radiation like a motherfricker. No, LPIR is not a perfect solution either. The AWACS would also be flying at a steady, high altitude. They're vulnerable targets anon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Those aren't actively emitting targets anon
                Cessna drones were flying through basically empty airspace, they're supposed to shina like a rainbow on surveillance radars.
                >They're vulnerable targets anon.
                Against peer opponents, yes.
                Given systemic failures of russian IADS, I'd say not really, not in this context anyway.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They were flying low anon, ridiculous Russian claims of radar range aside, they're not as easy to find as you'd think. Mind you, the Ruskies were shown to be pretty deficient in their IADS by them no doubt, but that's a completely different category of targets compared to a high flying AWACS.

                it's not like this particular sky object can't detect incoming objects, stop emitting radiation, and take evasive maneuvers

                Not arguing against that anon, but if they do that they can't be used in the offensive role anon was postulating

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Not arguing against that anon, but if they do that they can't be used in the offensive role anon was postulating
                They can be used in the HARM baiting role

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                God I wouldn't want to be a crewmember assigned to do that. Why use a valuable and irreplaceable air asset with minimal self-defense capability for that role anyways?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's not like this particular sky object can't detect incoming objects, stop emitting radiation, and take evasive maneuvers

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Either way ziggers have very little in the way of AWACS-hunting, radars too antique for that.

              The AWACS is flying with a gigantic lighthouse beacon on its back that emits enormous amounts of light in radio wavelengths. Triangulating it is trivial. The #1 threat isnt R-37s but frickhuge russian surface to air missiles developed specifically for killing AWACS and tankers at long range.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                40N6 was never productized so R-37(M) is indeed the only thing usable for anti-AWACS there.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Regarding the sensor package: I remember reading last year that Ukraine was trying to secure upgrades to the Block 20 F-16s, ideally with the AN/APG-83. Did anybody see further news on that? I don't recall it being either announced or definitively ruled out.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          AN/APG-83 is probably considered too sensitive for Ukraine. No clue though, I haven't seen anything. The ones they're getting at least don't have AN/APG-83 AFAIK

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sure they won't have the maximum theoretical range (which is practically meaningless anyway, maximum ranges on A2A missiles are extremely situational) but the Meteor would still be useful. The fact it's longer ranged means it would almost certainly have a better probability of hit within the range of the radar. MDBA claims a no-escape zone 3 times greater than that of the AMRAAMs the Typhoon was using before the meteors introduction.
        There's also the fact it's powered by a Throttleable Solid Rocket. The majority of a missiles loss of range comes from drag, and drag increases with speed. A Meteor can cruise at a low mach and "sprint" up to higher speed when at the terminal phase. Ukraine is an ideal use case since the majority of the flying has been done at low altitude, where the atmosphere is thickest.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >propellers
    Why are they giving Ukraine this century old junk?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Turboprops have better lift generation than jets and better fuel economy for short haul trips. Means more efficient for short bursts with smaller runways

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >not knowing what turboprops are
      you need to go back

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      being slower and spending less fuel per hour is probably a plus for this particular usage

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Turboprops are less mx heavy than jets

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, what modern military would use turboprops on an AWACS?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      turboprops reach lower speeds and altitudes than turbofans but can operate from shorter and worse runways - something Ukraine can utilize easily by hiding them in roadside bushes... and using when needed instead of hanging at 30k all day

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Same radar as the Embraer EMB-145 and R-99 right? Greece has already been using their EMB-145 next close to the Ukrainian border since the beginning of the war.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes both are Erieye radars

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ukraine concentrating strikes on aircraft and fuel depots in russia
    >f-16 training completed several months ago
    >more f-16s coming soon(tm)
    >2 AWAC planes now on the way
    >more euros are greenlighting striking russian territory with their material aid
    i'm thinking this summer's crops are going to have a bountiful yield.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's going to be Summer of HIMARS again but worse for Puccia, lmfao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >F-16, EWACS and permission to strike russian mainland arrived simultaneously
      This war is orchestrated as frick.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Orchestrated by Russia's idiocy sure. Ukraine needs A-10s now.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >basic application of force multipliers is a israeli conspiracy

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Holy fricking based. A machine designed and built for one purpose; TZD.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are Swedes not afraid that Russia may retaliate and, say, occupy Gotland or some other Swedish islands? I mean, I don't see it happening anytime soon, but it is obvious that Putin will wait for an opportunity to hurt Sweden somehow in the future, won't he?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >VatBlack person threatens a first-world country
      Lol. Lmao, even.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        a) I'm not a vatBlack person
        b) I'm not threatening anyone
        Just asking a genuine question. 2 questions, actually.

        Russia couldn't hold Snake Island.
        What makes you think they could get to and occupy Gotland? part of NATO territory?

        >Russia couldn't hold Snake Island.
        Snake island is small and has no strategic value really. And yet Russia controlled it for 2 months or so. Gotland is another story, it's a key point of the Baltic sea.
        >What makes you think they could get to and occupy Gotland? part of NATO territory?
        Putin knows perfectly well that NATO/USA won't nuke him for it. He knows that the Swedish garrison there is still quite undermanned and underequipped. He knows that in the event of a sudden and lightning fast operation, he can get it under his control, unlike Kyiv. This could be a kind of bargaining chip for him: the more weapons you give Ukraine, the more irrational I become, the more of your territory I will occupy, next time it will be Åland or the Baltics or Suwałki etc, so let me occupy the whole Ukraine and I will give Gotland back to Sweden as a goodwill gesture.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >implying NATO/USA's only options are nuke or do nothing
          are you sure you're not a vatBlack person?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I mean, Putin is not afraid of any conventional response against his troops, the only thing he fears is that America will be the first to throw a nuke at him and he won't be able to retaliate. That's why, if NATO decides to invoke Article 5 in case of the Russian occupation of Gotland, he will immediately threaten to use nuclear weapons, even if NATO allied forces use only conventional weapons against his occupation forces on Gotland. And as we all know, people in the Biden administration don't want the situation to escalate any further, to the point of getting out of hand, so there will be a lot of behind-the-scenes discussions, meetings, phone calls etc. while the Russian army and the Russian Baltic Fleet, supplied from Kaliningrad and St Pete, will continue to occupy Gotland until Putin himself orders them back after he gets what he wants in Ukraine.
            I hope this scenario won't come true, but I have some concerns about all of this. This is worse than the Cuban missile crisis or 1983 Able Archer/RYAN crisis in Germany. This is much worse.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The Swedish military alone would sink every Russian ship / airplane before they unloaded a single troop. This scenario is delusional.

              An actual realistic scenario is Russian troops rushing into Narva and claiming they were invited by locals, but that's exactly why there are tripwire forces in the Baltics.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >An actual realistic scenario is Russian troops rushing into Narva and claiming they were invited by locals, but that's exactly why there are tripwire forces in the Baltics.
                Hmmm, I remember watching a BBC mockumentary about the Russian invasion of Latvia (Latgalia province, populated mostly by ethnic Russians) with this exact premise: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3q8go9

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Im pissed that swedish armaments aren't seeing the action they deserve. Rbs-15, TAURUS KEPD, JAS-39.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not entirely true. The archer is out there taking names because it's apparently one of the most effective counter battery and high value target weapons they have.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >get it it under his control
          And then the USN shows up, American troops land and, take the Russians prisoner, kills whoever resists, and returns the island to Swedish control. What will the Russia do then?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >What will the Russia do then?
            I don't know. I am not Putin, Patrushev, Gerasimov or anyone else, but I am 100% sure that this

            I mean, Putin is not afraid of any conventional response against his troops, the only thing he fears is that America will be the first to throw a nuke at him and he won't be able to retaliate. That's why, if NATO decides to invoke Article 5 in case of the Russian occupation of Gotland, he will immediately threaten to use nuclear weapons, even if NATO allied forces use only conventional weapons against his occupation forces on Gotland. And as we all know, people in the Biden administration don't want the situation to escalate any further, to the point of getting out of hand, so there will be a lot of behind-the-scenes discussions, meetings, phone calls etc. while the Russian army and the Russian Baltic Fleet, supplied from Kaliningrad and St Pete, will continue to occupy Gotland until Putin himself orders them back after he gets what he wants in Ukraine.
            I hope this scenario won't come true, but I have some concerns about all of this. This is worse than the Cuban missile crisis or 1983 Able Archer/RYAN crisis in Germany. This is much worse.

            very scenario and its various alternatives are being considered by the Russian general staff and intelligence agencies. Maybe they are sure that the USN won't show up and NATO in general will not be eager to fight, kinda like Ukraine in 2014 in Crimea decided to withdraw its troops during the so-called "referendum".

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not only is Sweden protected by state of the art diesel subs that have previously stealthed around American carriers but the 4th gen fleet (superior to anything in Russian inventory) can easily kill most Russian ships from BVR and they train and exercise precisely to do this ever since the Viggen at least.

              Russia's navy is fricking anemic, if you take one look at their carrier and the Moskva you should easily get a feel for the absolute lack of care that goes into it. They can't even keep the comms and air defense on at the same time. What happens when it's faced with a submarine that its own fleets can't counter? Once those warships are gone, the troop transport is defenseless. A Russian invasion of Gotland or even a smaller Swedish island (which would be a moronic quagmire from any strategic standpoint) can pretty much only result in total humiliation for Russia.
              We're not even talking about land-based defenses which have beefed up, on Gotland for example, because they would fricking die long before they got there to fight the troops. They'd probably get washed ashore and arrested soon after.
              This is without factoring in NATO mobilizing something simple like a handful of warships to deter the Russians from advancing.

              Why didn't they give any to Malaysia or the Philippines, which desperately need AWACS?

              Because they're not in a hot war that directly concerns Swedish security.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Swedes would also have a multi-day forewarning that a likely invasion fleet is assembling as any port where ziggers would be capable of executing it are surveiled 24/7.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                More like multi month

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >What will the Russia do then?
            NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Putin knows perfectly well that NATO/USA won't nuke him for it. He knows that the Swedish garrison there is still quite undermanned and underequipped. He knows that in the event of a sudden and lightning fast operation, he can get it under his control, unlike Kyiv. This could be a kind of bargaining chip for him: the more weapons you give Ukraine, the more irrational I become, the more of your territory I will occupy, next time it will be Åland or the Baltics or Suwałki etc, so let me occupy the whole Ukraine and I will give Gotland back to Sweden as a goodwill gesture.

          1. Gotland used to be undermanned but isn't any longer.
          2. Everyone would know that they are coming before they even left Kalingrad.
          3. He would risk a direct confrontation with the US navy.

          Gotland was a valid target 20 years ago but today it's not.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia couldn't hold Snake Island.
      What makes you think they could get to and occupy Gotland? part of NATO territory?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      hmmm yes but I think they've proven that they're willing to do that even if you don't slight them, because they perceive that as weakness

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      do you know how hard sweden is to invade through the sea

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't they give any to Malaysia or the Philippines, which desperately need AWACS?

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    two copeplanes, how cute ^_^

    Nuke Russia, Nuke the EU, Nuke the US, Nuke China, earthlings are weak

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I doubt these have a realistic impact on the war.
    The delivery times will be too long. Just like the 30-ish F16s that Belgium is donating to Ukraine, but will take up to 4 years to delivery (they gotta get F-35s to replace them first of course).
    Hopefully, by then the war has already moved into a stalemate with a negotiated peace and the planes will function as a deterrence to further Russian shenanigans.

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