>swarm of these fuckers advances from enemy lines at a mix of altitudes

>swarm of these fuckers advances from enemy lines at a mix of altitudes
>AI identifies prioritizes targets and passes them into a queue
>automated guns and rockets shift seamlessly from target to target.
>smart munitions that can adjust their path come screaming out
>some are packed with EFPs, so they can come in at high velocities, changing trajectories to hit moving vehicles
>others have clusters of 40mm grenade sized munitions that can branch out and hit scattering infantry
>after firing, the minimally staffed battery components can pack themselves down and begin to scoot
>self driving supply carts guides by an AI priority queue continually feed new munitions where they are needed
>MLRS fire in rockets that disperse quad copter drones overhead that begin firing EFPs down on any target in sight, sharing information and swarming for effect

Even if the spotters can't get quite this small, its over, isn't it? Being infantry is going to be absolutely terrible in 20 years.

Even if you have lasers and interceptors and even a screen of drones to protect your airspace, war is just going to be about whose interception capabilities run out first, and then robots with full EM spectrum sensors at every angle are going to rape you with self guided munitions.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ...and the snipers.

    Drones still won't work well without human guidance. Picking out and firing on targets is just the basics. So picking off humans will be a weak link.

    .50 cal sniper rifles covered in radar absorbing material with some rotors floating anywhere from 20-4,000 feet up, invisible, scanning for human targets or being fed them from other drones. Then bullets humming in front a kilometer off where you have no chance of seeing it.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Small drones can only fly for minutes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's with the snake emojis

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      add balloons to the sides to make them lighter-than-aircraft.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      how long do bullets fly for?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >bullets
        >fly
        they don't

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >A ballistic missile is a missile only guided during the relatively brief initial powered phase of flight

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >ballistic missile
            >bullet

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              sling bullets, arrows and javelins are missiles too

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Currently, but they can be significantly larger and still a massive pain to defend against. Sensors can reach out miles. All they need to do is feed your location into the fire missions queue and keep eyes on you.

      Meanwhile, batteries that aim and load themselves, and then fire munitions which can course correct are a nightmare. Even worse when they can scoot on their own. Smaller ground drones that can navigate following IFVs open up the door to organic small unit fire support, with 60-120mm guided mortars, and field guns on the table, or smaller missiles.

      Now a squad doesn't have to try to ambush you, they just send a spotter up and have this guy following them destroy it, or if they are defending, have a mine pop up and fire a guided missile.

      The problem is the rate of fire missions and massively better accuracy. Direct attack drones have a role but they were always going to be secondary once target acquisition AI got better. A tiny spotter is harder to detect and can stay up longer. IR, visual, and radar range is extremely long. Ground batteries have infinite loiter time, and when they aim themselves, you can go right from being spotted by some invisible speck in the distance to having a smart shell headed your way.

      EFPs fired from shells at high velocities make interception much harder. Trajectory changes and you have a huge increase in velocity, and these things can hit a truck barreling down the road.

      I've seen one video of them from Ukraine, it's quite a sight. BMP is at a cross roads in the center of the frame, nothing visible, then a lightening fast streak and the thing explodes. No catching the round in a paused frame like you might with a shell or missile.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Okay, but now try to imagine people putting up with this shit... they wont.

        They're just gonna "befriend" anyone who works for a company that produces that shit, invite them over for dinner, and then, poison their ass.

        >murder beats warfare every single time
        >spies are deadlier than soldiers 'cause you can't catch the fuckers
        >it's why soldiers have hissy fits when you copy their uniform... "YoUrR ChEaEEEtiNg!"

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s technology, not magic, killing a few thousand engineers slows it down, it doesn’t stop it, and it doesn’t make what’s already been made stop working. Plus the same machine learning programs that let the drones pick out soldiers from bushes can also pick saboteurs from workers, so using infiltrators to try and destroy the plants won’t work.
          What you have to do if your opponent uses weapons like that is win the battle of information dominance with your own sensors and then make achieving fire superiority for them unsustainable for their logistics. Small drone platforms are the perfect targets for laser weapons too, even lasers that can’t destroy the drones can dazzle them or burn their sensors.

          War is like the America’s Cup, the winner writes the rules.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >thinks that murdering tens of thousands of researchers will work
          >think it will work when every military on fucking planet earth wants one
          lmao

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Putin coping when he was not accepted in to the vdv because he could not reach the static line

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's not exotic so there won't be any Gerald Bulls to Mossad.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Physical lag rapidly becomes a problem in automate warfare. Waiting two minutes for the artillery shell to physically arrive at the target is fine if you're shooting a pinned down infantry platoon. If you're shooting at a mobile armored vehicle with a laser shooting at your spotter drones it's an eternity.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're missing the good parts though like being able to fire your 12.7mm and 20mm from behind armor with an augmented reality view from your drones and the HUD showing you the exact radius of your beaten zone as you rape guys with plunging fire from over a mile out. 14.5mm might get more popular as eyes in the sky interfaces get better for this reason.

          I think you're dramatically underestimating how easy it is to detect a number of small objects within line of site of you up to 5,000 feet overhead and potentially miles out.

          There has been an answer to hitting tanks for a long time. Shells that get overhead and then deploy parachutes as they scan for a target. Then they fire on them.

          Newer versions avoid the parachute, which makes interception much easier, and can find targets in flight even if there isn't a live feed.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      smart shrapnel only needs to fly for a second

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Scenario 1
    >pallet of pic related is dropped from ac-130 gun ship
    >activates 1000' up
    >uses a combination of thermal imaging and AI recognition to fly at over 100mph to individuals enemy troops
    >explodes like grenade

    Scenario 2
    >100 of these things released from back of van
    >use AI facial recognition to seek out political target
    >Swam, explode and kill specific political target

    The future is a different kind of place anon.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >and russia will take ukraine in 3 days because of their centurion .50 cal proof power armor

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >war is just going to be about whose interception capabilities run out first
    WHy would you run out of interception capabilities before drones?

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Having a college degree will save your life in the 2030s. Anyone who isn't an egghead or a woman is getting thrown into the fire.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      against who? Russia can't even handle themselves

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        China will eventually become a problem. They have the industrial and technical knowhow to give us a run for our money, even if they'll never truly be #1.

        You don't use a Russian smartphone, but you and everyone else sure uses a Chinese one.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >but you and everyone else sure uses a Chinese one.
          Sony is Japanese

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Samsung is Korean

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >save your life
      I wouldn't really call reconciling one good neuralink-borg-consumer to the IoT bughive and wagecage with extra wormshake rations "saving" a "life" anon

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >swarm of these fuckers advances from enemy lines at a mix of altitudes
    >high energy microwaves burn them out of the sky in swathes

    wow so much for that gay fantasy lol

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No one thinks microwaves are going to make drones a non-issue going forward. It's more of a fantasy to think you could knock observer drones out of the sky in a 10 or even 3 mile radius than even having swarms of Sharpie sized drones out doing spotting (their battery is shit).

      Microwaves will be one layer of protection but they aren't going to be able to stop target acquisition completely because that can be done from significant distances with passive sensors using fairly small drones.

      What you'll need is a multilayered approach. With microwaves playing some role, lasers another, and projectile interception yet another.

      The solution to target acquisition is going to have to be longer range weapons, tighter energy beams (which means finding and tracking the things, not hitting a region) or projectiles. It's also going to mean avoiding getting spotted, reducing radar signatures, and blanketing areas in IR noise to mask your position.

      Of course, drones can also take advantage of noise. You can seed the sky with cheap shit, even derigibles, to make it harder to find your assets.

      Eventually, as the autonomous function mature, you'll have drone interceptors as an answer for keeping your near airspace clear, which will result in a cute, autonomous mini air battle that occurs between opposing forces around concentrations.

      My idea, which is maybe a bit to far fetched, is that militaries could recoup some costs by charging a hefty subscription fee to let you remote pop into one of these small drones and help take out enemy spotters or spot enemy artillery.

      It would add some unpredictability to autonomous patterns and I bet people would pay well to get to pilot a small fighter in VR. You'd get streamers and autists who would learn to really push your hardware to the limit. Kids would rush home from school to make the Third Congo War nightly air offensive wait-list.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >AI gets so advanced that it uses internet data scraping to profile every single potential enemy combatant
    >In the future a robot drone will blow you up the day before you decide to enlist/join a paramilitary group.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Being infantry is going to be absolutely terrible in 20 years.
    Always has been.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Train birds to attack drones
    The techmoron fears the Avianomancer

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i know just the man

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Feed birds radioactive dye
      >Train them to shit on targets
      >Seeker munitions ruthlessly destroy anything shat upon
      >Multiple incidents of vets being injured when a full shits on their windshield and they bail out of the moving vehicle in panic

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >radio jammer disrupts link with drones who are now unable to send any data
    >battalion laser AD section spots all of them on short range radar and precedes to zap them all out of the sky
    >vehicle mounted laser defense systems full in the gaps to shoot down the rest
    >reverse tracking the flight path of the drones reveals where they’re from
    >artillery fire missions are called on all locations

    Drones can be cool, but they can also be very gay.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bro just jam all signals in a several mile radius.
      Damn, IDK why the US didn't think of that when vehicles kept getting blown up by garage door opener activated bombs? How is it that opponents ever have working radios?

      And surely they couldn't has optical coms, right?

      Come-on, this is like infantry at the advent of the stirrup thinking heavy horse won't be shit, armored knights thinking firearms are just a cool toy, or some artillery commander thinking planes are a novelty. Small scale and the relative ease of developing autonomous movement in the air is game changing.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not only did we literally do all of those things, but a lot of the technology such as lasers and the advent of EW capabilities being brought down to small units is right around the corner. Drones have only been dominant simply because there hasn't been a proper counter created yet.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >IDK why the US didn't think of that when vehicles kept getting blown up by garage door opener activated bombs
        We did. It stopped them all. They had to switch to wires.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >swarm of these fuckers advances from enemy lines at a mix of altitudes
      >high energy microwaves burn them out of the sky in swathes

      wow so much for that gay fantasy lol

      Even if this shit worked, which it currently does not, they will just get you with the balloon drones cruising around at 60-130,000 feet. These fuckers are getting outfitted to drop loitering munition swarms too.

      It's really the automatic, rapidly firing artillery paired with AI targeting that is going to get you. There are lots of ways to get eyes on targets, has been for a while.

      But looking for a parked howitzer from a high altitude balloon or satellite would take forever. Now some network trained on pattern recognition can spot it from feeds it would take months to watch and relay the location, then the gun can automatically adjust to throw a munition on it, then the munition itself can adjust to any last minute changes.

      It's mostly newer shit, but it's growing in leaps and bounds.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >(technology currently being developed) cannot hope to match (future dreams not yet subjected to the indignities of reality)

        an uncountable part of a never-ending series

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >He doesn't know about the Screamers
    NGMI

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So are they trying to just burn literally all human life on the planet and hope they can stop them by limiting their logistics with human labor or????

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