I fucking hate retards who regurgitate that you can't shoot supersonic ammo without hearing protection while they simultaneously shoot unsuppressed with 20 NRR earmuffs. Shooting a suppressed AR without any earmuffs is literally better for preserving your hearing that shooting an unsuppressed AR with 20 NRR earmuffs. Just buy some fucking 30 NRR earmuffs or one of those in-ear pieces that allows you to hear your surroundings while simultaneously being 30 NRR, or just use some fucking earplugs. I personally use 3M Peltor EEP-100.
than do it and shut the fuck up homosexual
I won't. I just hate retards who think suppressors aren't hearing safe while shooting unsuppressed guns with wholly inadequate hearing protection.
WHATS THAT I CANT HEAR YOU SPEAK UP
>BARE ASS ME AGAIN
suppressors arent hearing safe the same way a lawnmower or a nailgun isnt. the difference is that guns are just incredibly hearing unsafe
no one here owns guns or suppressors, anyone who wants to actually discuss guns left for the [redacted] a year ago. this is a politics, reddit and current events board now.
There is no alternative that isn't dead, gay or filled with feds.
>no alternative
of course there is, but anyone who would mention it here is an idiot
No that site is dead and filled with a handful of autists chasing the dragon of old /k/. Without a sizeable userbase its just a gay discord group thats open and paid for by someone
Who said anything about Discord?
What site?
>as if being dead, gay, and full of feds doesn't apply to PrepHole
>filled with feds.
lmfao, do you know where you actually are?
Dude FEDs exposed themselves years ago in a court case that they post here.
>FEDs
"Fed" isn't an acronym, mongoloid. It's an abbreviation for "federal agent."
Feds with Erectile Dysfunction.
Supersonic .223 is still loud as hell through a suppressor, it's just technically hearing safe but prolonged exposure will still make you deaf
OoOoO my secret weapon discussion /k/ alternative
Fuck off with your secret club bullshit
No! You haven't told anyone about the /k/ treehouse have you anon!?
You didn't read the full sentence. I'm pissed that retards exist who regurgitate what they saw some other retarded tacticool retard on youtube say about how suppressors aren't hearing safe while they continue to wear 20 NRR earmuffs while shooting, which are inferior to actual suppressors at reducing sound.
>I fucking hate retards who regurgitate that you can't shoot supersonic ammo without hearing protection while they simultaneously shoot unsuppressed with 20 NRR earmuffs.
OK? They're coping nocans, who fucking cares OP? Why do you waste braincells on them? Yeah one generally shouldn't shoot supersonic center fire suppressed without earpro, though in an emergency it could save your ears and some are quiet enough I think you could go hunting without (2-6 rounds in an open space over the course of a year is probably ok in the 125-137 dB range). But the kind of person who goes to the trouble of getting cans at all probably cares about their hearing more than the average, and conversely the kind of person who shits on cans ignorantly probably cares about their hearing LESS than average, so it'd make total sense they'd be more likely to trot out strawmen while simultaneously taking not much care. Like, why would this surprise you? They've almost certainly ALREADY fucked their ears pretty badly, which by the same token means they're going to notice further harm even less (gunfire already sounds "muffled" to them) unless they finally lose it big time, develop the EEEEEEEEEEE (and some will then just claim "oh you just ignore it no big deal") or get a serious hearing test that shows how things are going.
It's nothing to get worked up about, this is one case where being retarded really is its own penalty. They're doing what is (at least for now) permanent irreversible harm to themselves as a direct consequence of their own stupidity, nothing you say or feel is going to be greater consequences then that lol.
I've been made fun of for wanting to carry with a suppressor. I made a downpayment on an Omega 9K at the beginning of the month, because I otherwise would've have been able to maintain this $100 discount they gave me after I pointed out it commonly sells for $600 online, and I plan on paying it off this week so that I can start the NFA process. It's a pretty small suppressor, but it should save my hearing should I need to shoot in an enclosed space, like a car. I have a 60 dB hearing reduction in my right ear, but it affects my hearing overall, and I have difficulty understanding what people are saying sometimes. I don't want to get any more hearing loss and become socially awkward because of it. I also don't want to get tinnitus.
Fun fact: the difference in noise at the shooter's ear between k model pistol cans and full size pistol cans is completely negligible outdoors. The only major difference will occur downrange or in enclosed spaces. Most people buying a full size pistol can are retarded.
>Most people buying a full size pistol can are retarded.
When you consider the fact that you always have to pay for a $200 tax stamp and various NFA related services, you might as well get the more expensive can that performs better first. In my case, I want a can for carrying, so the first 9mm suppressor I buy is going to be a K one.
How do you conceal a suppressed pistol? I think the Maxim9 is even longer than a Glock 34, right? And a weapon light would turn it into a literal brick in your pants.
I love the idea of carrying suppressed, but holsters are rare even for duty carry
You think OP has even gotten close to considering a holster or how he'll carry?
An Omega 9K shouldn't be too bad. In fact, I've considered getting a full size suppressor and conceal carrying it in front of my abdomen so it looks like a have a massive cock in my pants.
>An Omega 9K shouldn't be too bad.
Amusingly at 4.6" long an Omega 9K + a typical compact pistol like a P365 would still end up about the same length as a Maxim 9 (though obviously with the advantage of being able to get much shorter if one was willing to give up suppression, or for packing) despite having worse suppression. Which kinda serves to show how useful integral could be if NFA didn't rape our rights.
>How do you conceal a suppressed pistol?
The Maxim 9 specifically is a full size handgun so it's not really the ideal CC anymore than a Glock 17 or 34 or whatever similar would be. And I usually don't, I open carry it in a shoulder holster because 98% of my time is in rural areas where that's fine. Technically it's actually easy to conceal in the winter under a vest or jacket but that's only part of the year and not why I got it. Though where there is a will there is a way, people have concealed pretty wild stuff.
In theory a suppressed hg COULD be really tiny. A wipe based design like the gemtech aurora is only a few inches long, integral could be even shorter, and combine that with a light ultra compact 380 based gun and you'd have something pretty damn small but perfectly useful for a self defense encounter. NFA totally fucks us in that respect, nobody will make an integral handgun as long as that exists, at least not until we can 3D print our own. The amount of innovation destroyed by that shit sickens me.
>I think the Maxim9 is even longer than a Glock 34, right?
Yeah, Glock 34 is about 8.8" long, Maxim 9 is either 10.75" (long config) or 9.5" (short). Though honestly compared to other full size handguns at least an extra 1-3" isn't THAT bad a length trade for quality suppression.
I carry mine in a briefcase
Not sure if you're being serious or riffing off the game, though per that image the right fitting of suit jacket is one way you really can conceal some bigger guns. Plenty of women purse carry and briefcase carry wouldn't be that difference and I could see it working depending on the threat scenario. I can't really see carrying in anything but a holster myself though unless maybe with the right backpack on certain outdoor trips.
>How do you conceal a suppressed pistol?
Shoulder holster
Don't let them get you down anon, I'm out innawoods carrying a maxim 9 right now. It's true nfa makes it a lot shittier to carry suppressed then it should be but nothing to feel bad about if you're up for dealing with it.
The only BS I anticipate is having to inform the ATF whenever I plan on bringing my carry suppressor with me across state lines to see my grandpa.
That doesn't apply to suppressors only other nfa weapons anon
This. It's one of the small bonuses to having something integral despite the downsides.
Suppressors and AOWs do not require ATF permission to transport across state lines.
MGs, SBRs, SBSs and DDs do.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/i-have-nfa-firearm-and-i%E2%80%99m-moving-what-do-i-do
tilting at windmills
Or you could just use both and really protect your hearing from damage. Hearing safe is a factor of decibels to exposure time. Just because a shot is below the instant damage range doesn’t mean repeated shots won’t still cause damage.
doubling up on ear pro (plugs and electronic muffs) is the best for recreational shooting (which is what anyone reading this is doing) and if you'rer indoors you should use a half-face not just for all the nasty stoff in the air but because it protects your ears from front via your ENT channels and makes shooting more pleasant.
Shit there are a couple ear pro companies that make active inner ear devices that work in tandem with over ear muffs. I always double up even when shooting suppressed. I don’t see the value I’m not taking 1 min to put inner ear pro in. I shot my AR suppressed once without ear pro to hear how it sounded and it deff isn’t good for your ears
Oh fuck the earpro aspire is back. For context this guy advocates people wear earpro while driving because he thinks highway noise will damage hearing.
my favorite was
>dryfiring will damage your hearing
and this is absolutely the autistic in question, he's even raving against OSHA standards
Not him but the complaint about OSHA standards is valid because retards think that any gun is safe to shoot without earpro as long as throwing a silencer on it ostensibly reduces it to 140 dB, which is the arbitrary "hearing safe" threshold parroted by guntubers. Magdumping a gun at 140 dB is still gonna deteriorate your hearing in the long run. Even in a home defense situation when you might only fire one or two rounds, 140 dB is still gonna be fucking loud since your house is an enclosed space without sound dampening acoustic materials like at an indoor range. There's literally no reason to not use the most hearing protection you can when you're just shooting for fun. You only get one pair of ears for your entire life.
>there is nothing wrong with 737 max faa said so feds are always rite!
>For context this guy advocates people wear earpro while driving because he thinks highway noise will damage hearing.
Did he really? I've seen you guys say this before but I've never actually seen an anon claim that, pretty fucking hilarious if true though.
>he's even raving against OSHA standards
That however is correct, OSHA a shit anon. Don't trust them. Are you seriously suggesting that federal regulatory agencies are all perfectly trustworthy and whatever they say is correct and all we need to worry about? Federal government always just has our best interests in mind so don't ask any questions? Seriously?
NTA but I was there for it. The guy is a fucking nut job and pretty much ruined earpro discussion all by himself, demanding that anything over 70db require earpro.
Oh wow, hahahahaha wtf 70 dB? Jesus, thanks for sharing though. You can generate peaks above that like, literally WALKING AROUND A ROOM. Shoes on hardwood! Even the far more science grounded and conservative NIOSH shows ~80dB as being good all day and that's CONTINUOUS noise, not peaks.
Though I guess given all the paranoia and "5G = MIND CONTROL NANOMACHINES" shit these days that's almost refreshingly simple for schizoism?
Anon I'm afraid it gets even worse.
this guy has to be just bullshitting, what kind of hypochondria ridden loser do you have to be to wear muffs while dryfiring?
lol damn, somehow I missed that whole thread. And honestly anon I considered myself pretty autistic/ocd about hearing protection already vs most to a level that is too conservative, it's just my own little tic. And I still think that's fucking crazy.
though still it's at least a change of pace from the typical, don't think I've ever seen that flavor of schizoism before on /k/. If he writes a billion letters to congress and autism'd someone into supporting the HPA there are worse things to sperg about not that I wouldn't still make fun of him lmao
Enjoy, they're just decent solid earmuffs, work and don't cost an arm and a leg simple as. I actually got them for work in the shop and on the tractor before using 'em for shooting too. While I ultimately sprung for some fancier electronic stuff last year so I could hear people and listen to music and such while mowing the field I still keep some on hand. I find them pretty comfy even for hours at a time and they're reliable. Can have some in my barn or wherever else just living there so always convenient.
Basically every firearm causes instant permanent hearing damage even with double earpro
He was genuinely unhinged, a MP5SD with subsonic 9mm would tear your eardrums apart and any sort of shooting should only be limited to sessions of 10-15 minutes, no matter what earpro you had or what you were shooting or where that shooting was taken place. Just a mentally fucked up individual.
IIRC it technically does if you are driving with your windows open. But remember there is a time exposure element so you'd have to be doing it for hours.
maybe it's a thing for commercial long haul truck drivers i dunno, or on turd world level moonscape roads or in a car with busted muffler but its not a normal thing on a normal vehicle
Always double up on earpro and use a silencer whenever possible. There's no reason not to do it when you're just doing recreational shooting. There's no reason to cheap out on earpro either. If you can afford a $500+ range toy then you can afford $130 Peltor Sport Tactical earmuffs with a 26dB NRR. The whole "OSHA hearing safe" meme pushed by guntubers is fucking stupid and is going to ruin ignorant people's hearing down the line.
Fun fact: My gf has congenital hearing loss, and her custom-molded hearing aids that are like Airpods on steroids were something like $8k before insurance. Just buy foamies, muffs, and pay the $200 cuck stamp for a silencer if you don't want that to be you by the time you're 45.
>There's no reason to cheap out on earpro either.
I mean, this I would disagree with to some extent anon. First, one of the advantages of a suppressor is that you definitely need LESS earpro. 20NRR plus any can is going to yield WAY less energy at the ear than ultra max 32NRR with no can. Unlike plain earpro which maxes at a theoretical 40ish dB for the 2kHz range no matter how much put on a suppressor of course doubles up with perfect addition.
But more to the point expensive != better. Plain good old cheap Mack's foamies will get you to 32nrr for 30 cents a pair or less. Or some decent silicone reusables are like $5 for 26nrr. 3M Peltor X5 earmuffs, which are about as good as over the ear protection gets, are $40.
Fancy electronic stuff will get you other functionality like audio passthrough or comms or whatever, and personally I do think that's worth it on the scale of gun expenses. I have some with my cans. But for plain old decent hearing earpro is NOT necessary to spend a lot. You can "cheap out" on earpro and still get something as good as it gets so long as you don't fall for meme tacticool shooter garbage.
I saw don't cheap out because poorfags will inevitably gravitate toward Howard Leights or Walkers that only have a 22 dB NRR when they could just spend a bit more for Peltor Sport Tactical 500s and get a much better product in terms of both NRR and QoL features like comfort, audio passthrough, bluetooth, optional gel cups, etc.
I'm just saying even poorfags can get quality earpro, and shouldn't dismiss it as "oh I can't afford that so it doesn't matter I'm fucked anyway". But in the context of this thread anyone who puts in the money and time to get a can and then wears anything at all is good in my book. They're both protecting themselves and also being more polite to everyone else. It's real nice those rare times on the range where everyone has cans, the difference is wild. Another reason I have cans is so when I'm shooting on my land it doesn't bother my neighbors even if it's early/late.
All that said though
>The whole "OSHA hearing safe" meme pushed by guntubers is fucking stupid and is going to ruin ignorant people's hearing down the line.
This is true but it's not just a guntuber thing anon it's general ignorance of safety across all industries. A lot of people genuinely think "OSHA" represents the stringent best practices guided by the best science, aided by a lot of shitty companies failing to meet even OSHA standards causing workers to get harmed and die and at least once in awhile the companies get punished for it.
But in actuality OSHA standards are more like the minimums. If you don't meet them you DEFINITELY will get hurt in a real hurry, but if you do you might still suffer real damage over the course of time. Since OSHA has enforcement power it's a target of business interest lobbying, so its standards represent a compromise between businesses who want to pay as little as possible and worker/safety advocates. NIOSH has no enforcement power, just a bunch of researchers, and is the place to look for something closer to actual best practices.
>3M Peltor X5 earmuffs
Thanks for turning me on to these. I'm gonna order a pair right now. Going from shitty 21db NRR Howard Leights to 26db NRR Peltors was phenomenal. 31db NRR is gonna be even better.
you dont own a gun or a silencer so why are you so mad lol
What is the point of this thread?
>Be OP
>Have crippling amounts of sped
>Want to carry with a can
>People who actually own and use guns and cans call him a retard
>OP has tard rage moment and makes thread
op has autism please understand
OP having a meltdown over people he doesn't know having opinions about things he doesn't own. Terminally online loser doing terminally online loser shit.
65db is where you start getting permanent hearing damage.
not enough exclamation marks and "common sense" bullet points