Suppressor owners: is going through all the expense and bullshit worth it?

Suppressor owners: is going through all the expense and bullshit worth it? Thinking about putting a can on my PPQ but I wanna hear from your experiences. Also, I know jack shit about suppressors. What should I look for with a general purpose 9mm can that sits by my bedside for home defense with occasional plinking innawoods?

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >worth it?
    yeah
    >what 9mm can
    rugged obsidian 9
    pic related

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Like many things in life, it depends. Do you have enough disposable income to spend on it without regretting it? Are you prepared to wait up to a year or more for it? Will you enjoy it enough to outweigh the hassle and delay?
      I had enough disposable income that it was time for a new gun or a suppressor, and I decided I could wait the year for the paperwork to come back.
      I enjoy mine significantly, and I'm planning on buying another one in the very near future, so definitely worth it for me. Like many things though, it's more fun with friends. I love bringing it to the range when I'm shooting with other people.

      Bros

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        based, how do you like the Canik? How well does it run suppressed?

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      what is that magazine well expansion thingy and what barrel and trigger are you rockin?

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/vcyn06O.jpg

      Like many things in life, it depends. Do you have enough disposable income to spend on it without regretting it? Are you prepared to wait up to a year or more for it? Will you enjoy it enough to outweigh the hassle and delay?
      I had enough disposable income that it was time for a new gun or a suppressor, and I decided I could wait the year for the paperwork to come back.
      I enjoy mine significantly, and I'm planning on buying another one in the very near future, so definitely worth it for me. Like many things though, it's more fun with friends. I love bringing it to the range when I'm shooting with other people.

      Bros

      I really want to see an asymmetric chub can design arrive for handguns.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    There WILL be a confiscation order within your lifetime so weigh that fact when you are considering this route

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >i NEED to believe everything will suck in the future so i don't feel bad about being a failure in the present.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >being unwilling to submit fingerprints and a prostate exam to the federal government makes me a failure

        https://i.imgur.com/OBliYJP.jpg

        shut the fuck up, schizo. every part of the gun world in the USA is 1000x bigger than it's ever been. the ATF couldn't even get away with banning bump stocks. go back to 4chan with your insane drivel

        Not an argument

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Your phone collected your fingerprints a long time ago

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            you also leave them everywhere. along with your dna. and the way you walk is clearly visible

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Take your meds

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You already had to give your fingerprints for a drivers license.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >You already had to give your fingerprints for a drivers license.
            Not him but not in my state, we don't have any sort of permit system for guns either. It's still a dumb thing to care about though, just because fingerprints are pretty worthless as a modern biometric. Doubt the ATF would even bother getting them in fact if it wasn't mandated by law, it's just a waste of everyone's time. For biometric identification purposes retina is a lot better, that's what the leafs use. For "evidence" it's worthless vs DNA testing and a hundred other things. It was the hip new forensic science in the 1930s so here we are 80+ years later.

            There are lots of sucky things about the whole stamp process but that's always been a weird one to sperg about. The main downside is historically it's just been another fucking irritation, had to do it on ink, if the ink then got a bit smudged mailing it DENIED. Now at least can do digital scans and be done, which tells you how much of a shit anyone gave about it.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Tell me about these digital scans. How? I'm a nocans and never heard about that. Is it just one of those fingerprint readers you swipe your fingers on?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Tell me about these digital scans. How? I'm a nocans and never heard about that. Is it just one of those fingerprint readers you swipe your fingers on?
                There are a few ways no. As of the new eform system launched about a year ago, you can now do electronic finger print uploads. ATF and a million other sites has explainers on it, but basically you google something like "fingerprint eft file" and up come a ton of services and explainers. Once you have that you can just upload it for a form 4 from then on. You can also (before, and still) go through SilencerShop, they have kiosks at gun shops all over the country with normal digital scanners. Same thing, do it once and they save it for all future submissions. For photos you can just use your own phone too. Combined that eliminates a fair amount of hassle as well as having to mail stuff.

                Though it's still pure old paper for non-FFA transfers, but those are rare for most people.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It is a .EFT (Electronic Fingerprint Tag) file you can upload. No more rolling ink anymore. It amazes me how many people have never been fingerprinted for an I9 for their job. You guys must be extreme poorfags or get paid under the table. I've paid so much fucking taxes I practically have already met the minimum work credits needed for social security and I'm not even 30 yet.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                None of my jobs have fingerprinted me. But yeah pretty much poorfag; still trying to figure out a non-shit job field.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I work as an independent contractor at this point, I also have some properties now I manage, and made decent money in stocks. Live in a really rural area, have a small house and mortage about done with already, cost of living is pretty low. No under the table payment, I'm diligent about accounting for my business which is pretty key because a big part of the value is being able to take deductions otherwise you get pretty screwed tax wise. But yeah it's an oddball career path and I probably could have made much more money a more traditional route. I enjoy the freedom of it though and found city or even suburb life really, really didn't agree with me.

                That said I still have dealt with fingerprints with the feds, but it all went digital everywhere else except form 4s forever ago anon. When I did what will probably be my second to final paper f4 of my life in mid-2020, I just did it at the local town police, and even they were like "oh, you must be getting a can huh? Literally the only times left anyone ever wants the old ink one everything else is digital now". Nexus card was also digital. Having to do ink was still irritating so I'm glad an EFT is all it takes going forward.

              • 7 days ago
                BigHitler69

                The fuck are you on about? There's been multiple years where I filed over 200k income and I've never had to get fingerprinted, all you need for an i9 is drivers' license and ss-card.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Or just your passport or whatever, and you don't need fingerprints for that either. Basically if you're a natural born US citizen with a birth certificate you can get every other form of documentation from there. They take a photo and that's it.

                Only place I've needed biometrics (as a non-government employee, I assume federal employees have to go through lots of stuff particularly for security/defense jobs) was for a nexus card.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                I work for a defense manufacturer in the Midwest. I've never been fingerprinted for an I9. Ever. What are you doing wrong?

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe he's not native born? Or never bothered to get a passport? If you don't have a birth certificate things get harder.

                My state still has non compliance driver's licenses available as an option. Pretty nice, tbh.

                Same, but also he's just a retard. Real ID license is one option for domestic flights. But you can also just keep using any of the many other options. And what fucking state does fingerprints for driver's licenses?

                >the ATF couldn't even get away with banning bump stocks
                I don't follow american legistations closely, but didn't they ban bump stocks and pistol braces completely?

                >but didn't they ban bump stocks
                Struck down by appeals court, highly unlikely SCOTUS reverses. A lot of people don't seem to get that the entire system is all part of law. If an agency or legislature overreaches and it gets struck down that's not a bug that's the system working as designed.
                >and pistol braces completely?
                Not "completely", there is a complicated set of rules around it going forward, but yes that's in progress. Expect cases about that too, plus they're giving everyone with one an option to convert to SBR for free.

                At any rate though, both of those involve bringing things under the existing NFA umbrella. NFA has nothing to say about getting rid of cans.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                My state still has non compliance driver's licenses available as an option. Pretty nice, tbh.

                Maybe he's not native born? Or never bothered to get a passport? If you don't have a birth certificate things get harder.
                [...]
                Same, but also he's just a retard. Real ID license is one option for domestic flights. But you can also just keep using any of the many other options. And what fucking state does fingerprints for driver's licenses?
                [...]
                >but didn't they ban bump stocks
                Struck down by appeals court, highly unlikely SCOTUS reverses. A lot of people don't seem to get that the entire system is all part of law. If an agency or legislature overreaches and it gets struck down that's not a bug that's the system working as designed.
                >and pistol braces completely?
                Not "completely", there is a complicated set of rules around it going forward, but yes that's in progress. Expect cases about that too, plus they're giving everyone with one an option to convert to SBR for free.

                At any rate though, both of those involve bringing things under the existing NFA umbrella. NFA has nothing to say about getting rid of cans.

                Hey here's a crazy idea, maybe each state is different?

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              the real humor is still thinking fingerprints mean anything biometrically in this day and age

              This, fingerprints are honestly on par with the polygraph; dated, easily fucked up, almost guaranteed to not be admissible in a modern day court, and only seen as valid by the ignorant.

              This, makes it extra hilarious though also typical that the schizos go ape about it when it's obsolete semi-junk science. If anything they should be grateful something so dumb is written into law and it's not just up to the ATF's discretion since there is much more serious stuff. In 1938 a photo was actually also a bigger ask too.

              Of course that's one of the ironic things about conspiracyfags: they tend to actually be pretty bad at spotting real conspiracies or threats since they're so laser focused on meaningless crazy shit.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            what retarded state do you live in? Normal states dont require that shit at all

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              haven't renewed since REALID went in place have you? All states require it now and a realID is required to board a plane coming in 2025.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >All states require it now and a realID is required to board a plane coming in 2025.
                You dumb dumb. A passport does not require fingerprints. Real IDs are fucking worthless.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                Seriously what the actual fuck are you talking about anon? I've got real id on my driver's license and I didn't need any fingerprints when I first got it and I just renewed by mail for another 4 years, I didn't even need to go into a DMV. The only "biometrics" is the fucking photo.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                My state still has non compliance driver's licenses available as an option. Pretty nice, tbh.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Getting a concealed carry permit requires giving your finger prints to the government(Florida btw)

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >lives in a state where you need a permit to begin with
            >doesnt just ignore it and carry anyway

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >lives in a state where you need a permit to begin with
            >doesnt just ignore it and carry anyway

            That's why I wear black nitrile gloves every time I commit a crime.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Imagine thinking that they don't already have your fingerprints.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            the real humor is still thinking fingerprints mean anything biometrically in this day and age

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              This, fingerprints are honestly on par with the polygraph; dated, easily fucked up, almost guaranteed to not be admissible in a modern day court, and only seen as valid by the ignorant.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >being unwilling to submit fingerprints and a prostate exam to the federal government

          Whole world willingly gave them their fucking DNA samples during the leftie pandemic, mate.
          Keep your fingers.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >and a prostate exam
          Don't lie to us, you would love it

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Noob
          >Get FBI fingerprint card
          >Go to HoHispanice and find the frailest patient
          >Give them $50 to be fingerprinted for ___ research
          >Hand in the application

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            You're overthinking it bro.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >begs daddy government for permission to buy a piece of metal
        >gives up his 4th amendment rights
        >pays $1000 and waits a year to get it
        >destroys it like a good goy when the ATF suddenly changes it's mind

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >least obnoxious 40k moron

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You don't give up your 4th amendment rights because you paid a tax stamp.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I think you give them up when you sign the form, just like everything else in life.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              No, retard, that's not how it works. Cops can't just come into your house and ask to look at your shit.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Cops can't
                but the ATF can if you sign the form, which is basically a contract saying they can

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                No, they can't retard.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                stop spouting this patently false fuddlore

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Wait, is that even fuddlore? That crazy shit is a thing people actually believe?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, it stems from FFLs being subject to searches at any time. for some reason people think it applies to stamp holders

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                There are still people that believe leaving magazines loaded damages the springs. There are also people that believe you have to have a SOT or Form "3" license to own suppressors. So much fuddlore in the gun community, because a lot of info is just documented poorly or spread shittily or not found well online. You wanna open source gun stuff? Off MAC for starters..... and every other Boomer that says "I got mine".

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                Cops no, the ATF yes anytime they want. Read the form.

                i am too poor to actually be a stakeholder in this but always hear "THEY CAN SHOW UP AT ANY TIME AND JUST CHECK YOUR WHOLE HOUSE JUST BECAUSE YER ON THAT LIST SONNY" from rich boomers but none have ever actually had that happen. Do they actually do that / has anyone had it happen? I just like being alive and love my dogs so would spend the money on a nice rifle in the future instead of tax stamp + can if it is somewhat common

                the ATF website says they conducted over 5800 inspections, data is from 2021 so I'd guess that means in either 2019 or 2020. I personally know multiple people who had the ATF drop in on them unannounced

                They don't exactly hide it either direct quote:

                "Generally, ATF will not give advance notice prior to conducting a compliance inspection.

                If a licensee refuses to comply by not letting the IOI enter the business premises or inspect their inventory and records, this is considered a willful violation of the GCA and ATF will pursuerevocation of the license."

                Go read the fucking forms.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                If you are actually serious and not baiting, you're fucking retarded. All of that applies to FFLs. The ATF can randomly yearly inspect FFLs, and FFLs must comply or lose their license. You're a drooling mouthbreather fudd boomer. God I hate you, you illiterate redditspacing fuck. die

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Read the form.
                Right back at you you stupid fucking retard. Here:
                >https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/form/form-4-application-tax-paid-transfer-and-registration-firearm-atf-form-53204
                Where is this magical clause anon?

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              That's called an FFL/SOT. quit spreading stupid shit.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Found the fedmoron

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >lies
          >i-i'm totally n-not seething
          lmao
          lol even

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >gives up his 4th amendment rights
          How are there still drooling retards like you in 2023?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      shut the fuck up, schizo. every part of the gun world in the USA is 1000x bigger than it's ever been. the ATF couldn't even get away with banning bump stocks. go back to 4chan with your insane drivel

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        >the ATF couldn't even get away with banning bump stocks
        I don't follow american legistations closely, but didn't they ban bump stocks and pistol braces completely?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Why the fuck do you seething retard nocans show up in every suppressor thread?

      >being unwilling to submit fingerprints and a prostate exam to the federal government makes me a failure
      [...]
      Not an argument

      >muh fingerprints
      >thinking this matters in any way whatsoever in 2023
      That's the most retarded thing about you dumb conspiracy cunts, you spend all your time being paranoid about junk science crap that isn't even that actual stuff you should be paranoid about because you're too retarded and immersed in bullshit to know what the actual science and state of the art is.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I’m not seething. Also you just said a whole lotta nothing

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Ok, if we are getting to that stage, I rather make sure I have a suppressor and enough trigger time on it to make good use of it.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >My life sucks and I dont see a positive future

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        No my life is pretty awesome regardless of the direction the world is heading

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      This is true and believing anything else is massive coping. Gen Z and Alpha are overwhelmingly lib/lefty progressives, and pro-gun demographic is old, white, and in decline. This isn't even a doomer take, it's just demographic reality.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Okay, could you post your address so I can steal your suppressors and avoid having to register any myself?

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      This is true and believing anything else is massive coping. Gen Z and Alpha are overwhelmingly lib/lefty progressives, and pro-gun demographic is old, white, and in decline. This isn't even a doomer take, it's just demographic reality.

      same dumb trollfag

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Okay, could you post your address so I can steal your suppressors and avoid having to register any myself?

        Same ignorant cope-cucks.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Stupid doomer. More gun rights then in our entire lives, more lefties buying them as well, 42 out of 50 states have now legalized them and the last couple included amongst the most liberal states in the entire country.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >"stupid doomer"
            meanwhile...

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              Yes. Thank you for supporting my point.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >not reporting all of your NFA items as lost or stolen within two weeks of receiving them
      heh I'm so clumsy ATF please understand

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Cops can't
      but the ATF can if you sign the form, which is basically a contract saying they can

      https://i.imgur.com/SaJQ8XE.jpg

      I have a couple dumbfuck questions. I'm considering going through the NFA and getting myself a suppressor or two someday. Is it true that possessing an NFA item gives the ATF the legal right to show up to your door unannounced/unwarranted? And in the hopefully unlikely event that suppressors are banned someday, as in they come door-to-door to take them away since they would have your address, what will Americans do with their registered suppressors?

      What could possibly be worth allowing that ATF into your place of residence any time they want? Hearing protection isn't exactly expensive.

      >inb4 glowies saying they don't actually bang on your door for inspections.

      Never mind the shit show of a court case it'd be if you end up actually using a SBR or suppressor in self defense. May as well drill a third hole at that point.

      Same troll is still at it lol. Wonder what set them off on this newest tangent?

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Quantity is strength. The more people they have to confiscate from the longer such a confiscation would take. The longer a confiscation takes the more time a resistance has to band together. The more people they have to confiscate from the less likely they are to survive and/or retain the ability to confiscate.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      Most ATF agents have kids, right?

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        The numbers are doable

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, they're too fat to mount a woman. If they do have "kids" they're probably from another man.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      You should consider the fact when boot lickers like you sign up to do said converscations, alot of you are going to die.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Boating accident

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't work as well for tracked NFA items, they can fuck you over for it regardless. Your best bet is to just shoot through the front door.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    rugged ob 9 is a pretty good choice, if you get a holster that can accommodate suppressors (obviously not for concealed carry) you can take them hunting and shit.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I literally just want one for my fucking 22 rifle so I can plink without bothering anyone...why does everything have to be so fucking gay?!

  5. 1 week ago
    Burt

    Yes it's worth it. Just don't set your expectations of sound reduction too high, they don't sound like the movies.

    Do check out the Obsidian it's a great option but also check out the other mainstream options like SilencerCo, AAC, Gemtech and Dead Air. Even the off-brands are worth a look like CGS, YHM, Thunderbeast, Griffin and OSS.

    Personally I think modularity is a meme, but being able to use harsh cleaning methods on stainless steel baffles is a plus.

    Also imo bespoke calibers are a must. If you want 9mm get 9mm, if you want .45 get .45 etc. And a dedicated .22 is super fun!

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      All good points.
      >Just don't set your expectations of sound reduction too high, they don't sound like the movies.
      Yeah, commonly that's referred to as "hollywood quiet" and it's about as realistic as jumping through plate glass which IRL isn't made of crystalized sugar and instead will slice you into pieces. Only way to get close is the right subsonic rounds and platform and can.
      >Do check out the Obsidian it's a great option but also check out the other mainstream options like SilencerCo, AAC, Gemtech and Dead Air. Even the off-brands are worth a look like CGS, YHM, Thunderbeast, Griffin and OSS.
      Read reviews, but yes anything that has been around a bit and has the standard lifetime full warranty including at least one baffle strike. Which you should never do but fuckups happen.
      >Personally I think modularity is a meme
      Agreed.
      >but being able to use harsh cleaning methods on stainless steel baffles is a plus.
      Eh. Ti and inconel is plenty tough and honestly cans don't accumulate crap very quick and you just dunk em once they weigh an oz more or whatever.
      >Also imo bespoke calibers are a must. If you want 9mm get 9mm, if you want .45 get .45 etc. And a dedicated .22 is super fun!
      This too. Jack of all trades exist but kind of a waste. Though for someone just getting started easy to see the attraction if you aren't sold yet.

      Anything is better than nothing though.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      All good points.
      >Just don't set your expectations of sound reduction too high, they don't sound like the movies.
      Yeah, commonly that's referred to as "hollywood quiet" and it's about as realistic as jumping through plate glass which IRL isn't made of crystalized sugar and instead will slice you into pieces. Only way to get close is the right subsonic rounds and platform and can.
      >Do check out the Obsidian it's a great option but also check out the other mainstream options like SilencerCo, AAC, Gemtech and Dead Air. Even the off-brands are worth a look like CGS, YHM, Thunderbeast, Griffin and OSS.
      Read reviews, but yes anything that has been around a bit and has the standard lifetime full warranty including at least one baffle strike. Which you should never do but fuckups happen.
      >Personally I think modularity is a meme
      Agreed.
      >but being able to use harsh cleaning methods on stainless steel baffles is a plus.
      Eh. Ti and inconel is plenty tough and honestly cans don't accumulate crap very quick and you just dunk em once they weigh an oz more or whatever.
      >Also imo bespoke calibers are a must. If you want 9mm get 9mm, if you want .45 get .45 etc. And a dedicated .22 is super fun!
      This too. Jack of all trades exist but kind of a waste. Though for someone just getting started easy to see the attraction if you aren't sold yet.

      Anything is better than nothing though.

      Oh one more thing
      >OSS
      They're "HUXWRX" now and are still some of the best most versatile cans out there for both rifles and handguns. Their 9mm can is quite good. Their rifle cans aren't the absolute quietest, but they have very low back pressure combined with very solid performance and that means they'll work on systems that don't have full fat adjustable gas blocks. Classic "top performing" answers like CGS (I've got a Hyperion) or more recently Diligent Defense, Otter etc, duke it out for best suppression technically but they have very high back pressure so they really NEED a platform that is specifically can friendly.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's nice to not go deaf.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >he hasn't adapted to the sweet symphony of EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >is going through all the expense and bullshit worth it?
    100%. That's what makes it so frustrating. Suppressors should be cheap otc safety devices like they are in some euro countries. Once you start shooting suppressed you'll probably end up wanting everything suppressed and you can join the rest of us in suffering through gritted teeth.
    >What should I look for with a general purpose 9mm can
    pewscience.com does the absolute best serious objective suppressor tests in the business and has good resources on terminology as well. 9mm though ultimately is a pretty easy one to suppress though I went the integral route myself. You aren't going to go too wrong with any good brand on that one.

    It's much much more complex for rifles, more variable too since there is a vastly wider range of performance and operating mechanisms.
    >that sits by my bedside for home defense with occasional plinking innawoods?
    Yeah you think so, that's how it starts.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Rifle yes, pistol, less so... kinda mad about that...

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    yeah

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They’re worth it, but pistols are kinda sucky to suppress. Buy a Turk MP5 and a 9mm can with a trilug adapter if you really want to have fun.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    More or less yes. It's not that bad to be honest, but the $200 bullshit tax garbage is retarded along with the wait. I try to shoot only suppressed generally because it's more fun.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >but the $200 bullshit tax garbage is retarded along with the wait
      The tax I barely even care about anymore, in fact it amuses me that it's one of the very rare times that Congress being retarded worked in our favor. When they passed the NFA $200 at the time would be like $4500 today. It was supposed to be a hole exclusively for the rich. But since the price was fixed in law with no provisions for inflation, it's effectively gotten cheaper every single year. With present high inflation it'll be pretty meaningless in a decade or two, like less than sales tax.

      The fucking wait though, that's the painful part. And the various shittiness around selling or passing it on. Anything you do always takes waiting, wait wait wait. I'd pay double tax if it was done in a day instead of 9 months.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >The tax I barely even care about anymore, in fact it amuses me that it's one of the very rare times that Congress being retarded worked in our favor. When they passed the NFA $200 at the time would be like $4500 today. It was supposed to be a hole exclusively for the rich. But since the price was fixed in law with no provisions for inflation, it's effectively gotten cheaper every single year. With present high inflation it'll be pretty meaningless in a decade or two, like less than sales tax.
        I care about the price because the price is one of the two parts preventing people from getting into suppressors, aside from the wait and paperwork.

        If the tax was away with, at least pricing overall would come down, after all, there's no reason basic stainless steel tubes and baffle stacks should be $300-400+. The wait sucks, but it's whatever, I have so many suppressors that the last paper one I had came in I haven't even used, still sitting in the box because I don't know what to put it on. I just have niche suppressors I'm waiting on now.

        The wait is retarded though, especially with eforms. There is absolutely no reason it could not be automated in some fashion, or at least once your bg check passes and you have identical trust information across all of your current pending transfers, that they couldn't all be approved at once.

        Like just do my bg check up front and if I pass let me keep it while you run whatever other gay shit you need to do and call me up, arrest me, shoot me whatever if it doesn't pass. There's no reason I should have to wait potentially a year plus for a fucking metal TUBE.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >I care about the price because the price is one of the two parts preventing people from getting into suppressors, aside from the wait and paperwork.
          The wait and paperwork are a bigger obstacle I think, particularly in today's market where everyone is used to have stuff in a matter of days or even right away.
          >The wait sucks, but it's whatever
          It's whatever once you have at least one can for every caliber you like to shoot. More cans after that is about convenience or specific tuning, but for the first can per caliber it really, really sucks. In a lot areas the paperwork is indeed irritating as well, though being able to do a digital picture and scanned prints instead is an improvement. But the wait is the worst, and it compounds if anything goes wrong. Say your LGS made some mistake, which a ton did in 2022 during the switchover. If the wait was a day or week then that'd be eh. But if you get to the end of 8 months and whoops! DENIED (they followed the old ATF guidance but that was wrong so sorry). Now it turns into 16 months unless you get lucky with finding the right examiner email and they take pity on you.

          >The wait is retarded though, especially with eforms. There is absolutely no reason it could not be automated in some fashion, or at least once your bg check passes and you have identical trust information across all of your current pending transfers, that they couldn't all be approved at once.
          Yes. There is nothing in the law that says it can't be instant in principle, or that approvals can't be batched. It's just bullshit.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The wait is the worst part. Especially if I'm buying like 2 or 3 cans. Like having 3 grand tied up for 9 months even with eForms is annoying as hell, like a small loan to someone. I am a zoomer and I want my fucking cans NOW no Kapp frfr.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What’s a good 9mm suppressor that doesn’t use a booster? I’d be using it on my KP9 and 92 so I really don’t need a booster.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      practically any of them, including the obsidian, can use fixed mounts

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You can just look at 9mm suppressors with standard 1.375-24 thread pitch at the back and use whatever you want. If that's 3 lug you can get a mount for it, or direct thread, or whatever floats your boat.

      Cheapest, probably yhm or something from rex silentium on sale.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >9mm suppressors with standard 1.375-24 thread pitch
        A lot of pistol cans are 1.125-28 instead, smaller but also semi-universal, many direct thread and 3 lugs made for it.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Shooting a suppressed gun under nods is the most fun I've ever had with a firearm. Doesn't have to be a gucci'd up AR either, a .22 with a can is unbelievably fun.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    One non-performance bit of advice:
    >Also, I know jack shit about suppressors
    USE A TRUST OP. That's one of the main lessons I wished I'd learned earlier. Buy it through a trust. There are a bunch of decent places that will sell you a fully legally vetted solid trust valid in all states and hand hold you through it for like $50-100. Having your NFA items in a trust makes it possible to add/remove anyone in your household or friends or whatever as authorized users, easily. If you buy it as an individual than legally anyone else who even has access to it without your direct supervision is committing a felony.

    If you have one as an individual then you can transfer it to a trust later, but that means another $200 and another pile of fucking waiting (though you can keep using it until it transfers). Do it right from the start, there aren't any downsides. If you're living alone right now and are the only trustee that's still fine and it's still worth it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >USE A TRUST OP
      this if op is still here. national gun trusts or silencer shop ones are both fine. get one though.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Forget the $200 tax, what the fuck is up with the price of suppressors? They're just sealed tubes of steel with some baffles. What justifies one to cost up to and over $1k? If suppressors were deregulated would prices start dropping like a rock?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Some aren't only stainless though, some are more duty rated and made of full inconel and jet engine type materials so you can shoot unrestricted full auto with no issues. The titanium ones are light and good for bolt guns. Most suppressors aren't THAT expensive though, the higher end gucci ones are only 1k+ because they are the lightest/best in their class so to speak. You can get a YHM Turbo for less than 500 bucks or a 9mm for around similar price. When you start getting into higher capabilities like 300WM and higher then you start seeing the price increase due to material cost and research.

      Also due to the regulatory nature you see that general price increase passed along to the consumer. If NFA was dropped tomorrow you'd see prices drop across the board by 20-30%.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Forget the $200 tax, what the fuck is up with the price of suppressors? They're just sealed tubes of steel with some baffles. What justifies one to cost up to and over $1k? If suppressors were deregulated would prices start dropping like a rock?
      Well, first they aren't actually "just sealed tubes of steel". The high end ones these days are 3D printed Titanium or Inconel, or if steel it's still serious alloys and still at least has a lot of CNC. The tolerances are tight. But basically it comes down to the tax and wait. If it was just over the counter tax free, yes there'd be $50-100 ones. They'd perform worse and have a typical "breaks buy a new one" like anything else, but that'd be ok for most of the market.

      But if you have to wait a fucking year, and have a $200 minimum floor, it better be fucking worth it. And you probably want it to last forever. So the American market has skewed towards ekeing out every last little bit of performance. Fancy QD mounts to enable rapid swapping between a variety of firearms. Solid gold plated warranties, where so long as the serial number is still intact they'll repair fucking anything. The good places will flat out take care of you (once) for free if you fuck up and misalign the thing and then shoot a round right into it ("baffle strike"). And they'll still repair it for a low price if you do it again and again. It's like an enterprise class warranty contract on a computer, you can get spendy real fast if you start going for advanced replacement 24/7 service type of stuff.

      So that's where the money goes in our fucked up by government warped market. You can go look at a bunch of countries in Europe of all places and see what it might be like normally, and yes it'd be 10x cheaper. Some people would still want the best but most would pick cheap.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      there's two stamps for every nfa item(unless you form 1). one for the manufacture, and one for purchase. the consumer ends up paying both. you also pay the cost for compliance paperwork. on both ends. so it ends up being closer to $ 500.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Proper FFL don't pay for manufacturing each can. Also form 3 transfer is free. It's really the end user that ends up paying $200

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          You pay for the sellers compliance nfa paper work through the end cost. t my bad about the manufacture tax stamp. am retarded.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >You pay for the sellers compliance nfa paper work through the end cost. t my bad about the manufacture tax stamp. am retarded.
            You mean their SOT and all that? Like, sure, but the price is pretty minimal as far as business expenses go. If you're not making DDs just SBRs and suppressors you only need a Type 7 and class 2 SOT. In terms of actual direct cost the fee is only $50/year for the FFL and $1000/yr for the SOT. As an individual of course that's not nothing but for any real business, even a small business, it's pocket change as an expense vs all the other stuff. Sell even 100 cans in an entire year and it's adding $10/each. And that's assuming that's the only thing you sell, if you sell SBRs and so on too divide it further.

            Dealing with compliance costs money of course too, but if you're running a business you have a whole bunch of that regardless almost anywhere.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
        SOT pay nothing for new manufacture.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          youre right i didn't know what I was talking about.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >is going through all the expense and bullshit worth it?

    No.

    > can't conceal carry it
    > can't compete with it, unless it's a shotgun or rifle (because shot timers won't pick up subsonic pistol rounds)
    > have to put up with the ATF's bullshit
    > increases wear and tear on guns and cleaning intervals
    > need ultrasonic cleaner to reliably clean a serviceable suppressor
    > overpriced and $200
    > waiting times
    > rifle suppressors make the gun outrageously long unless you run a short barrel, which is in itself a compromise

    t. owner of 2 pistol and 2 rifle cans. I will keep the ones I have but I won't buy any more because of the above.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The only decent barrel lengths that don't make it obnoxiously long enough to be an SPR are PCCs, and then for rifles 11.5-14.5. less than 11.5 and you'll kill your parts, esp gas rings, over 14.5 and you basically have an M16 at that point.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >> can't conceal carry it
      Yes you can.
      > can't compete with it, unless it's a shotgun or rifle (because shot timers won't pick up subsonic pistol rounds)
      Are you implying you can't use supers fine?
      > increases wear and tear on guns and cleaning intervals
      Why are you lying about owning cans? Or did you just not do any research before buying them?
      > need ultrasonic cleaner
      lol
      > rifle suppressors make the gun outrageously long unless you run a short barrel
      Not all cans are long, and true chub ones have at least started to appear. Or you can run a bullpup I guess.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Why are you lying about owning cans? Or did you just not do any research before buying them?

        Why would I lie about owning cans? The overpressure from cans, all things being equal, does have an effect on the longevity of firearms, especially ones without tunable gas systems.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Why would I lie about owning cans? The overpressure from cans, all things being equal, does have an effect on the longevity of firearms, especially ones without tunable gas systems.
          Sorry then. But in that case your cans are either old or you didn't do you research. Flow through suppressors have gotten really good, and you can get ones with decent performance and near zero back pressure. And as you say, adjustable gas blocks are a thing.

          It is certainly important with rifles to match the can to the platform, but that's easier than ever nowadays, and since it'll last tens of thousands of rounds at that point I don't see it as a longevity issue anymore then the barrel itself or a pile of other components. Guns are there to be used after all, if it wears out too much to repair after 10x the gun's worth in ammo I'd just be happy it had served well. And that's ignoring all the ones with lifetime warranties.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Is it worth it?
    22LR Cans - yeah absolutely they're fucking awesome.
    Center-fire rifle cans - they're worth it. Not as fun as 22lr but they're practical.
    Pistol cans - meh they're okay. It's fun to plink with them but it makes the pistol LARGE and very not pistol like.
    I have a Deadair Sandman S, Mask, CGS Hyperion K and Sig ModX-9. I'd recommend the ModX-9 for 9mm. It's very short in one of the short configurations and suitable for HD.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      I've used my 1911 with a can to deal with rabid raccoons in a pinch in the suburbs.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        >coons in the suburbs

        i see what you did there

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I would say its worth it. Personally I like sealed cans. Taking apart cans fused by 1000 rounds of carbon can be a pita.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Taking apart cans fused by 1000 rounds of carbon can be a pita.
      Yeah I have a sealed. Official manufacturer cleaning instructions for one of mine is just
      >weigh when new
      >after it's 1 oz heavier time for cleaning
      >dunk it in solvent for a day or two
      >drain
      >take off can and shoot it out
      I like things ez.

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    do you have a place to shoot alone? cause thats the only time you are going to have a legal place to use it. you bring your surpressed gun to a normal range with other people you still have to wear earpro. they dont have supressors. im not saying supressors are bad or useless but the situations where you actually use them are minimal and the added effort is annoying.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >do you have a place to shoot alone
      Who doesn't? Why would I go to a range vs shooting on my own property or public land 99% of the time?
      >you bring your surpressed gun to a normal range with other people you still have to wear earpro
      You still need to wear earpro anyway. They don't actually make things quiet enough to avoid that in nearly any circumstance (it's possible with 22 and 300bo subs). But it's still pleasant and much safer, you can get away with less NRR and less then perfect fit, have more margin for accidents, and if you ever do need to use the gun in an emergency you won't get as much (or any) hearing loss as part of the bargain.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Who doesn't?
        the vast majority of gun owners

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I wonder if that's really true. Obviously most of the population overall lives in cities, but that doesn't mean most of the gun owning population does, it's definitely slanted more rural. And even for city people, for some of south western ones they aren't actually very far by car from BLM land.

          At any rate though it'd be cool if some ranges did "Suppressor Sundays" or whatever, some day of the week (or even just a couple days a month) where it was suppressors required for everybody. Ownership has been going up.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            No it absolutely is true.

            There is literally no public land accessible in my state except for hiking and fishing. Only private land you have to shoot alone is a lucky day at the state run range, a private club, or know someone with land.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              fellow floridian?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, GA shit. Only remotely public land is near the gay moron capital of the southeast (atlanta).

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              get a roach mp5, a trilug can, and some 158gr ppu and blast in your back yard in the suburbs.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Can't, literally a home 100 yards behind us. Only thing quiet enough is 22 kolibri rounds suppressed.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                you'd be surprised what you can get away with irl when people arent looking for the source of an unfamiliar sound thats not clearly a gunshot. i've shot 22 colibris in the waffle house parking lot in your state and my friends didnt even know thats what it was. theres lots of little plots of land you can shoot a gun that sounds like a loud nailgun as long as you hit your backstop.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Based Black hands typed this post
                I kneel, negligent plinker king

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                9mm suppressed is quiet enough from 100Y.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Except that I have neighbors right next to me on both sides.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                100yds? That driveway looks familiar; are you sure you're not 500yds driveway anon?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                I dont live there anymore.

    • 1 week ago
      Burt

      >Who doesn't?
      the vast majority of gun owners

      I shoot alone at the range 40% of the time. I can't just decide to be alone but frequently it works out that way, and as long as it's not indoors you can just stand far away from other shooters and not wear ear protection, if you wanted. I don't for 9mm and up but for .22 it's hip and fun.

      I'm just saying it's not contingent on having access to a private plot of land or middle of literal nowhere in order to shoot alone.

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Are you frugal or handy?
    >HELL NO
    Want a new toy
    >Depends
    It's a few beers cans worth of metal wrapped around taxes and corporate price gouging.

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Yes but my advice is really take the time to pick out the can you want and get the can you want the most regardless of price point.

    You're going to pay a flat $200 atf tax and wait a year to get it. Then once you have it, it's yours forever. This isn't something you're going to trade out or sell later. It's yours for life and your going to eagerly wait getting it for a year.

    Do not try to save money getting anything other than the can you really want. Do your research. Figure out the best can. Get that one, period.

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Nosuppressor here but I should mention getting a trust may be a good idea. I was going to skip it personally but IIRC they're like $35-50 here so it's worth not having to (I assume) re-transfer the fucking thing if you ever want it on a trust later. Small price to pay for a "just in case x needs to watch my house" or "just in case (hunting buddy) wants to borrow it" if you trust anyone that much.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Trust has been mentioned a couple of times but yes, absolutely. Also if you just plain get married, there is no special spousal privilege for NFA weapons (or children).

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah that is also my concern. If little Billy wants to go out in the yard and pop squirrels, you're fine until you're not. Also once little Billy grows up a little and hunts or goes to the range while you're at work on public land, you'd really want him on your trust.

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    yes. loud guns suck balls.

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I don't mind the tax but the price of suppressors plus the wait time puts me off. I want one though and will get one soon, wait time is so long but the sooner I do it, the sooner I get it.

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      th-they'll sure g-get b-back down t-towards 90 day approvals! soon!?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The first thought running through my mind when I heard the news. Gonna be another 12 months on to of my wait.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I want one for hunting next year. I am beyond FUCKED and it pisses me off since I'm probably for sure waiting not until the last month or two of next hunting season, but the one after that now. I have an entire list of parts planned and everything. Glad we have this shitty wait time that only gets worse when something causes even a slight increase in tax stamp applications. God forbid we have reasonable timeframes for submitting and receiving stamp approvals.

      The first thought running through my mind when I heard the news. Gonna be another 12 months on to of my wait.

      >first thought I had
      Ditto

  26. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah it's worth it, but I also had the ppq specifically and after shooting through the can for a few years I've snapped and bought a pdp. The aren't really any good suppresor sights for ppq, and my can was blocking stock sights.

  27. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >suppressors are regulated
    I thought that burger gun laws were the best

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      There are some stupid laws, most of them are NFA

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Where in the first world are there better gun laws anon? Genuinely curious. "The best" doesn't mean perfect, it's a relative measure. Also America in general is just plain old at this point, amongst the oldest nations on the Earth. Obviously humans have been living in other places continuously for far far longer, but as far as actual total continuity of government we're up there. Which means we've also got a lot of weird quirky cruft laws that have stuck around from far different eras. When the NFA was passed a lot of modern governments or countries didn't even exist yet. We'd certainly do things differently starting from scratch but it tends to be harder to get rid of stuff than add new stuff.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Sir, it's either bait or a coping foreigner.

  28. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Also 9mm pistol can best first can. Make sure you can take it apart and baffles are made of steel.

  29. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Not only should they remove all tax stamp and approval bullshit around suppressors, but all laws banning them (I'm looking at you, New York) should be overturned, and make them as freely available as possible. They're a safety feature. Integrated should be as easy an option as caliber.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >They're a safety feature. Integrated should be as easy an option

      This. I have guard dogs and I am not unloading in the enclosed space with them.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Integrated should be as easy an option as caliber.
      It sucks how few options there are, particularly in pistols. I absolutely love my M9, and while it's certainly not perfect I think it shows there SHOULD (in a non-bullshit law warped market) be a dozen different options and sizes and competition. Integral allows doing shapes, form factors and performance that it harder to match with separate components.

      But as long as the NFA exists in its present form (in principle if the regulation was here but wait time was mandated as 24 hours once they had your data on file once then that'd probably help too) integral isn't ever going to be a major thing. Most people will not buy one and I don't blame them, the incentives are bad. It (or at least the ATF's further fucked interpretation) also fucks up suppressors in other ways most people don't realize by making certains kinds of approaches hard. A wipe-based suppressor for example can allow doing something hyper compact that still performs well, useful for CC. But the ATF considers wipes to be "silencer components" even if it's literally a fucking cutout circle of neoprene which changes something from minor inconvenience to significant headache. It might be pretty impossible to enforce but it still depressses the market.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/spurious-quotations/

      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/washington-guns-government-evil-plans/

      https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-george-washington-fake-quot/false-claim-george-washington-on-trusting-citizens-with-guns-idUSKCN22A2I8

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >snopes.com/fact-check
        > snopes
        > fact check
        Sorry anon, but snopes lost all their credibility when the editors started using thier "brand equity" to advance social / political agendas.
        In one of the linkns you provide they "fact check" a George Washington quote by citing this work:
        > Coronado, Acacia, and Jim Vertuno. “Gunman Kills 19 Children, 2 Adults in Texas School Rampage.” Snopes.com via The Associated Press, 25 May 2022, https://www.snopes.com/ap/2022/05/25/gunman-kills-19-children-2-adults-in-texas-school-rampage/

  30. 7 days ago
    MilSurpDude

    It sucks, but yeah, it's worth it. The worst part by far is the waiting.

    With that said, pistol cans are rather memey. If you still want that, I highly recommend the Omega9k. It's chunky, but short to the point I could keep my G19 with it mounted in my nightstand drawer.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Wouldn't the obsidian9 be overall better value since it's almost just as compact and can be extended?

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      How much of the window do you see? Did you shoot through suppressor sights without the red dot?
      Omega 9K is 1.5" thicc on paper.

  31. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11645689/Boy-11-suffered-horrific-injuries-mauled-three-pit-bulls-says-love-all.html?ico=related-replace

    Friendly reminder that silencers are useful for discreetly exterminating dogs of peace from your neighborhood.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Your average pitbull owner. Just a moron with a different coat of paint.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Friendly reminder that silencers are useful for discreetly
      I know you're joking but no they aren't anon. Suppressed guns are still almost universally damn loud, like sure dropping 20-40dB is huge in terms of hearing protection and noise reduction, that's 1000-10000x less energy and 9-12x less perceived loudness. But when you're starting at 150-175dB? Well 120-140dB is still fucking loud. Chainsaw at full power is like 110. My suppressed 9mm can get below 130dB, but if you're outdoors you'd still have no problem hearing it 1/4 mile away innawoods.

      If you really want QUIET, a suppressed large bore air rifle (no stamp required if it's integral) or muffled crossbow would be better choices. Or a well suppressed 22lr with subs (or a design that drops super to sub before exit).

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        They can still make the difference if you ever had to do something like that. Not many people can recognize the sound of suppressored firearms for what they are, especially at a distance or through a couple walls, and especially if it's only a few shots in one moment.
        And comparing shots to a chainsaw just isn't fair regardless. The chainsaw is distinct and continuous.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Might depend on where you live. When I first got my maxim and started shooting it on my property all my neighbors knew (not in some bad way, just a "oh, heard you practicing the other day though it was quieter, you got a new gun? How you like it?" way, but they all knew). Even the ones I hadn't mentioned it to and were a few thousand feet away through a certain amount of woods. I mean, it's a quiet and rural area with a number of folks who shoot on their land, but the report is still pretty distinctive. I'll admit it could be missed much more easily if someone was inside watching a movie or radio on loud or something. Still not what I'd consider stealthy, just polite and safer.

          >If you really want QUIET, a suppressed large bore air rifle (no stamp required if it's integral)
          Actually even if it isn't integral and sold only for airguns. But yeah if you want to cover your ass make it integral.

          Advice I always saw, including letters from ATF, was that if it was separate and could even theoretically be put on a firearm and would fall apart after one use it's still legally a supressor. I mean, sliced neoprene circles are "silencer components" if you've got something that uses wipes, bar is low. I don't think "sold for airguns" would do it honestly, but I'm no lawyer.

          That said I see no reason not to make it integral when there is no law that fucks things up either so doesn't seem like it's worth the hassle to even risk. If suppressors were taken off the NFA I'd probably get some integral rifle barrel designs too. I might anyway if I ever get an SBR.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            There's at least one guy selling suppressors for air rifles in the US; IIRC he makes them in basically any threading you want for further covering of your ass in case you have threaded guns (to make them incompatible). But yes, you're right, IIRC even if it only does one shot before exploding they still consider it a suppressor. His designs have what I remember being a window screen in them and not much else. I don't own one though; mfgs sell integral suppressed rifles (probably with actual baffles) anyways.

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              >mfgs sell integral suppressed rifles (probably with actual baffles) anyways.
              Yep, or even retrofits of others and in big bore too as well as regular, ie https://www.airgundepot.com/airforce-texan-ss.html. With no dumb law fucking things up there are lots of readily available powerful options across the whole spectrum from basic to gucci, so might as well from day one. Air rifles are kind of a sad taste of what might have been without the shit.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Air rifles are kind of a sad taste of what might have been without the shit.
                Yep. Short barreled .22s for hunting. God, what could have been. And suppressed if you want. It's not that the length is overbearing with a 16"/18", but it gets nice and handy at such short lengths for stepping through brush to retrieve game, especially with a sling, though I'm sure I'd miss the extra speed/power. The OAL doesn't bother me but there's times I wish I had something shorter. I know somewhere someone's screaming "bullpup it" reading this but scope mount options suck dick for those IIRC.

                Also, I'm not quite sure how much weight savings you'd get, but it'd let you carry a second gun in a different caliber in case hunting one thing doesn't work out without having to carry the weight and length of two normal length guns. Think a 10/22 charger with a folding stock. Small, easy to carry, there if you spot a squirrel. Just out of the way and easy to pack. For some reason I can only really find my ideal setup with some Taiwanese dude's airsoft 10/22 setup which I didn't even realize someone made an airsoft version of. I've seen stocked chargers, but never with this stock.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >If you really want QUIET, a suppressed large bore air rifle (no stamp required if it's integral)
        Actually even if it isn't integral and sold only for airguns. But yeah if you want to cover your ass make it integral.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >turn on chainsaw
        >shoot the gun
        Wowie so hard

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Yes but you can also do this with a pellet gun and not have to deal with the hassle of getting a tax stamp

  32. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, unequivocally. Particularly if you shoot on your own property and have neighbors you have regard for. Highly recommend

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Particularly if you shoot on your own property and have neighbors you have regard for.
      This is another really good reason. If you've got anyone living within even like a half mile of you then a suppressor is just polite and good for neighborly relations. Just because you legally can doesn't mean going the extra distance to not be a major bother isn't a good idea.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      All of those guns and not a decent camera or floors. Nice.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        That's a table, anon

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        That’s an Ethan Allen table that my parents bought right after they were married. Dad tells me it was the nicest piece of furniture they had for some time. The camera is my phone

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          get a better phone or better yet an actual camera so you can show off your guns properly.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            It’s an iPhone 13 dawg

  33. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    I have a couple dumbfuck questions. I'm considering going through the NFA and getting myself a suppressor or two someday. Is it true that possessing an NFA item gives the ATF the legal right to show up to your door unannounced/unwarranted? And in the hopefully unlikely event that suppressors are banned someday, as in they come door-to-door to take them away since they would have your address, what will Americans do with their registered suppressors?

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Is it true that possessing an NFA item gives the ATF the legal right to show up to your door unannounced/unwarranted
      No, that's only for FFLs and I believe only once or twice a year.
      >And in the hopefully unlikely event that suppressors are banned someday, as in they come door-to-door to take them away since they would have your address, what will Americans do with their registered suppressors?
      I do not know myself, but that is not something that would fly with the ATF unilaterally deciding. It's also not something that would be approved of by courts or allowed through executive action, so it would have to be a congressional act.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks for addressing my first question. As for your second point, I'm just giving the scenario where suppressors DO get banned 100% (No grandfathering). Let us say that it was done legislatively and the courts don't take up any cases. Since the feds will have your name, address, contact info, etc, what's stopping them from enforcing a total suppressor ban and taking your can? I suspect most will happily turn on their suppressors since they'd rather do that than throw their lives away and go to prison.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >Let us say that it was done legislatively and the courts don't take up any cases
          WTF? You're just imagining some fantasy doomer magic shit where the Constitution magically vanishes and every single body of government all decide to stop bothering all at the same time? Might as well have said
          >What if government turns out to be run by lizard people and they just all simultaneously rip up the constitution at once and summon forces from their home planet what then huh!?
          Fuck off is the answer to that.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          what if the government just banned guns altogether?

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      This was already answered in the thread anon, repeatedly. So these are indeed dumbfuck questions.
      >Is it true that possessing an NFA item gives the ATF the legal right to show up to your door unannounced/unwarranted?
      No. Seriously have to wonder where the fuck that particularly retarded meme came from.
      >And in the hopefully unlikely event that suppressors are banned someday
      It's never happening, it's not even a political issue at all.
      >as in they come door-to-door to take them away since they would have your address, what will Americans do with their registered suppressors?
      Who knows, but it's dumb to speculate. They didn't even do this for literaly machine guns anon. About the worse that could even theoretically happen would be the banning of new ones getting made and grandfathering in of old ones.

      But they're your private property, stamp is a license to use it but you still own the thing. Trying to go "door to door" to take it (retard schizo shittake, they'd send letters and then fine you and shit not go door to door to tens of millions of people) would be a Taking under the 5th Amendment. So at a minimum federal government would be required to pay full value for every single one. Expect millions of lawsuits over that one too. Which is another reason why grandfathering tends to be preferred because it avoids all that, you don't take anything from anyone at all so the entire legal argument never comes up.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >where the fuck that particularly retarded meme came from
        forums from before suppressors became very popular have held opinions like these
        people there often share wrong facts with each other and back them with reputation of other members
        it's like everyone thought you can't shoot .40 out of 10mm guns before

        Wouldn't the obsidian9 be overall better value since it's almost just as compact and can be extended?

        obsidian is thinner, and it features a tube in a tube design cutting into volume even more, so it would most likely be louder in the short mode
        i'd steer from omega as first can unless you also have dedicated 22 because you will want to shoot 22 and omega is welded

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >people there often share wrong facts with each other and back them with reputation of other members
          Been on PrepHole too fucking long, only other two forums I'm still active in doesn't have any sort of "karma" or whatever, so I'd kind of forgotten that sort of shit could be a thing. Makes sense though I guess when you remember how few people ever go to a real source and are utterly ignorant of basic civics, but still god damn. Particularly I still somehow 30 years later have this sticking naive thought that the internet would make this better because one click takes you right over to the ATF and you can just download the F4 and read the stupid thing. It's not long. It's not a "contract" and there is nothing in there about how somehow it gets rid of the 4th Amendment which isn't even a thing. But people would prefer to just play Telephone in a forum. Oh well.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          Both the omega9k and obsidian9's short configuration boast nearly identical sound reduction to 135-136db, while the obsidian9 extended claims 121db. Not saying those numbers are accurate to what you would get in the real world, but they're both probably equally embellished with favorable conditions. Just seemed like a no brainer to me, and I'd probably get a separate suppressor for rimfire in the future regardless.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Handgun cans have sort of lagged the state of the art so I suspect we'll see major improvements over the coming decade, but yeah can't just go "thinness/length", internal design matters a lot. The performance increase in rifle cans from all the crazy 3D printing and CFD enabling entire new internal geometries has been kinda wild and is still happening. Think of the chub made for the NGSW program. It'll be cool once all that moves down market and gets applied to handguns (even though it'll be painful to then try to get of course).

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              Right, future aspirations that don't currently exist aside, what's the point of caring about the internal design if the claimed performance is the same regardless? What makes the tube within a tube design worse if it reduces the same amount of db? It's like 0.3" shorter and only 0.1" wider which is cool I guess, but if you only want one 9mm suppressor and if they both work just as good, then why not get the one that can be extended?

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                A lot of the claimed performance is the old military standard of 1.6 meters off the ground 1 meter away from the gun. The newer standard of 6 inches off the shooters ear is arguably more important in a civilian application and isn't as widely published by the manufacturer, but you can find info online like pewscience. A lot of the newer designs are reducing the noise at the shooters ear but don't appear much different when measured at the old standard

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                This is particularly applicable to certain higher flow designs. Significant sound reduction to the shooter, much less so for bystanders, but you get lower back pressure too which is very helpful for many platforms.

  34. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    What could possibly be worth allowing that ATF into your place of residence any time they want? Hearing protection isn't exactly expensive.

    >inb4 glowies saying they don't actually bang on your door for inspections.

    Never mind the shit show of a court case it'd be if you end up actually using a SBR or suppressor in self defense. May as well drill a third hole at that point.

  35. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    post above is obvious bait and went all out with that last line, but it will still get (you)s

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      nah I'm not going to feed the troll

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        What suppressor is that? Is it SS or titanium?

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          stainless steel, just fucked up from a lot of use and poor storage

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Nice. Here's my shiny newness fresh out of the case. So damn hyped when it finally came through a month and change ago. Won't mind when it's beat up from good solid use though either.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          nice

  36. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    The obsidians have so many problems it's unreal. There are more baffle stacks with obsidian 9's than anything on the market and I urge you to search some forums before buying one. Some say it's an actual design flaw related to play with the piston.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      *end cap strikes

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      ive got an obsidian 45 and have had several problems with it, including two 45 and one 9mm end cap strike.
      in my case i think the issue is the can itself is too long- if the piston and spring assembly arent both clean and lubed, it causes the whole can to "slow" down too much and get hit.
      i only use it in "short" mode now.
      i'll keep it brief but my other issues- i had the interior piston housing come loose and i had to ship it back to rugged on my dime (any other company would have just sent me a prepaid label). another issue is their tri lug adapter sucks. it fit on just one gun out of the 5 or 6 i tried. rugged told me basically "that sucks, too bad". additionally i suspect the trilug adapter spring has become weak overtime causing it to launch off my gun twice now. ive replaced it with a sico tri lug adapter- works great. fits everything never had any issues with it. the last major issue i have is the pistons get stuck every single time on various guns. hot, cold, clean, dirty- doesnt matter. they will not come off the gun unless i dissemble it and get the piston off directly.
      rugged told me if i get another end cap strike, ill have to send them the whole can, on my dime again im sure.
      sorry for the long post, i know im in the minority and a lot of other people love their obsidian, but im less than pleased with mine.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks for sharing anon, and yeah that's bad. Not even your problems per se, I mean, yes those are certainly sucky and as someone who had challenges too that sucks. But lemons happen. What is absolutely objective and unacceptable though is their policy on reacting to it. As you say good suppressor companies would have fully taken care of you on their dime. Cans are very high profit margin and in America with all the bullshit warranties should be gold plated. It's an extremely competitive market too. There is zero reason to go with a company that won't fully stand behind its products, so that takes them right off my list. I don't care how it performs.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          That sounds awful, imagine paying the $200 stamp and paying for a premium product and they STILL make you pay the shipping back to them... brutal man.

          its not the end of the world, it was just a PITA. ups considers supressors like handguns so it ended up being like $80 something dollars to ship it back (for a manufacturer defect no less). i could have just stuck it in a usps flat rate box but if something happened to it, then id really be fucked.
          anyway, my obsidian 45 just lives in short mode with the sico trilug adapter. no issues as is.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            i forgot rugged did pay for return shipping back to me, so thats something i guess, lol.

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              >uhhh okay we're pretty sure it works now, send us $100 if you ever want to see it again
              That would be a next level of bad CS.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Nice looking setup. I'm waiting on a Sierra 5 for this boy.

            Cops no, the ATF yes anytime they want. Read the form.

            [...]
            the ATF website says they conducted over 5800 inspections, data is from 2021 so I'd guess that means in either 2019 or 2020. I personally know multiple people who had the ATF drop in on them unannounced

            They don't exactly hide it either direct quote:

            "Generally, ATF will not give advance notice prior to conducting a compliance inspection.

            If a licensee refuses to comply by not letting the IOI enter the business premises or inspect their inventory and records, this is considered a willful violation of the GCA and ATF will pursuerevocation of the license."

            Go read the fucking forms.

            If you are actually serious and not baiting, you're fucking retarded. All of that applies to FFLs. The ATF can randomly yearly inspect FFLs, and FFLs must comply or lose their license. You're a drooling mouthbreather fudd boomer. God I hate you, you illiterate redditspacing fuck. die

            >Read the form.
            Right back at you you stupid fucking retard. Here:
            >https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/form/form-4-application-tax-paid-transfer-and-registration-firearm-atf-form-53204
            Where is this magical clause anon?

            Stop feeding bait

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              >sierra 5
              nice- i have a DA mask and sandman s. i had an issue with my sandman s and DA took care of me with no muss or fuss. They gave me a prepaid label and i sent it off. they replaced the muzzle device, mount, end cap, re-cored the can and then re-cerakoted the can. i had it back in my hands in under 2 weeks and it was basically factory fresh. im a fan of DA cs.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                I've heard decent things about them. But I wish I could find it, someone did a whole big run down of every single major suppressor manufacturer's official warranty so you could easily see how they compare on that front. I know I had it when I was researching my first cans.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                It's important to note that some companies have poorly written warranties but go over the top to fix your issue while others have good warranties on paper but will screw you over. CGS is an example of a company with abysmal support. Just do some digging on forums and you'll see it isn't uncommon for them to ghost you when you have legitimate issues.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                True and I have thought of that, and there are other factors as well. With the best warranty and will in the world, still won't help if the company simply goes bankrupt. Any support becomes paper at that point, and that's not an insignificant concern with all the brand new suppressor companies throwing their hats into the ring. For something that is so hard to get a new one of or have work done on, have to think twice about going with a new smaller player in a way you don't for anything else.

                But written warranty still sets a good baseline imo. While ideally companies would just be decent about it regardless, if you've got it in writing there are still options if you decide the relationship is already kinda sunk, like small claims court which works very well and is massively, massively under utilized by Americans. A lot of companies won't even bother to contest, if you've got a legit complaint and they've been fucking with you and then you actually go to SCC and sue (with reasonable documentation) for a few hundred or even a few thousand (limit is $5k in my state, but that's plenty enough for any suppressor even 50bmg stuff) they just won't show up and you win by default. Not worth their time when almost no one does it. Of course they may refuse to do business with you ever again but you'll get your money back, you can add your filing fee and reasonable value of your time as well.

                So it's not everything but it's also not meaningless. But yeah all that said worth poking around online a bit, while keeping in mind that online reports tend to be massively biased in favor of complaints since happy people rarely bother to leave reviews about it.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >while keeping in mind that online reports tend to be massively biased in favor of complaints since happy people rarely bother to leave reviews about it.
                yeah this is always a factor. gotta take forum posts and shit with a grain of salt. if 99% of people are happy you can bet other 1% will make up 50% of the posts online. dunno about cgs but just a thing with online reviews everywhere

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        That sounds awful, imagine paying the $200 stamp and paying for a premium product and they STILL make you pay the shipping back to them... brutal man.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        this reminds me of a response cgs once gave about their trilug:
        >The CGS Three Lug Mount is a unique design from others in the industry for a few reasons. The lug seating surface that the male lugs of the three lug adapter shoulder on are machined in a way that makes them perfectly perpendicular to the bore line. Normally three lug mounts are machined in those areas using an endmill and on occasion during machining that end mill can slip into or out of it's collet, meaning that one or two of the three lug seating surfaces will be on a different plane which causes a lack of perpendicularity which can cause a baffle or endcap strike. Our three lug mount eliminates the potential for machining errors which would lead to baffle or endcap strikes. It's also coated... super slick and a lot of the fouling wipes right off because it can't stick well in the first place. It also has a tight fit within the inner piston cage so that fouling won't be able to accumulate as much so when you want to go back and use it as a piston set up on a handgun the spokes won't have as much trouble getting through caked up fouling to get into battery with the spoke lock up area. You can see this as the mid band on the exterior of the three lug mount housing, and the design releases the gas from firing a round a bit further forward than some other designs. This is in contrast to other silencer three lug mounts which use just a piston and a spring with a rear cap that leaves a lot of open area where fouling can get caked on, particularly where the piston locks up and where it travels. Ours is a three piece design so that you can disassemble it, allowing the end user to easily clean the system and replace O-rings when needed. On the exterior surface you have a 1" hex feature so you can easily install and tighten it to your silencer using a 1" wrench. The three lug whole design is made of nitrided stainless steel so it is very strong and has no issues with abuse.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      So if I'm wanting a shorter can I should go with

      https://i.imgur.com/GsidrtO.jpg

      It sucks, but yeah, it's worth it. The worst part by far is the waiting.

      With that said, pistol cans are rather memey. If you still want that, I highly recommend the Omega9k. It's chunky, but short to the point I could keep my G19 with it mounted in my nightstand drawer.

      ?

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        I would at minimum get one that you can swap sizes to "k" configuration. Like most of the Dead Airs or any one that you can change the size of, kind of an industry standard at this point.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >the dead air website is asking for a username and password to access
          Amazing. Great first experience.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Nevermind, now it works. That shit was broken on firefox, chrome, and edge just a minute ago.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Nevermind, now it works. That shit was broken on firefox, chrome, and edge just a minute ago.

            Yea their website is kinda bad.

      • 5 days ago
        Burt

        Why would you want a shorter one though? The whole point is noise suppression, why throw that out the window for 2" and 3 ounces?

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          The whole point of a pistol is being compact, why shouldn't that apply to their cans? If I were to get a pistol can it would be one that I could fit fully assembled in my glove box or center console.

          • 5 days ago
            Burt

            Then take the silencer off? Because you need hearing protection with short ones anyway. Or use a sealed micro silencer with wipes and gel that will be as quiet as a full size for a few shots, pic related.

            The whole middlin' modular meme is lost on me

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/Tsd7rvI.jpg

              Or use a full size silencer with one of these. You can just snap it on in half a second.

              I guess I understand the very narrow specific use case of having a pistol with silencer attached fitting in a glove box so I don't mean to sound like I'm picking on you specifically, but I guarantee 95%+ of people buying modular silencers are doing it for instacrap pics, not a niche use case.

              Being able to stow it in the front of your car is literally the only functional use I can think of for a pistol suppressor (not including meme ass james bond larping), so of course that would be a high priority if I were to ever get one. That just seems natural to me. Longer pistol cans are only good as range toys or social media like you said.

              It's not even about the modularity. The rugged obsidian9 has a longer configuration, but this thread has been shitting on it hard for its issues and customer service. The omega 9k only comes as is, but I'd still take it over something bigger.

              And a shorter can might not be hearing safe to dump hundreds of rounds through in a single afternoon, but emptying a magazine at 160-165db compared to 130-135db is massive for your ears especially inside a car or small room. People have spent tons of money on dumber things.

              • 5 days ago
                Burt

                >Longer pistol cans are only good as range toys or social media
                Wait that's the opposite of what I said lol. Short silencers look cool that's why people buy them, they aren't as pleasant to shoot as full size.

                Anyway the one actual functional use mine gets in my nightstand. Full size, again because a short one would require hearing protection which defeats the purpose of having it attached and ready.

                >emptying a magazine at 160-165db compared to 130-135db
                Yeah I guess I'm a bit of a hipocrite here as my silenced uh oh rifle would be permanently damaging if I ever were to fire it in defense of home.

                Okay I'll change gears then and revise my opinion to people shooting short configuration silencers at the range are nuts.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Yes I got that mixed up and do agree with your last sentence. I was unaware of QD pistons, which do look interesting.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Okay I'll change gears then and revise my opinion to people shooting short configuration silencers at the range are nuts.
                Alright that's completely fair, with a caveat for if they inherited it/are a trustee and didn't choose it themselves. That's less common historically but I think will become moreso over time now that all of us are using trusts, and the sheer fact that suppressor ownership has skyrocketed. The one you have is better than the one you don't.

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              Suppressors have different purposes. For range use and hunting and such absolutely, full size, AND earpro. Lots of use adds up. But I want to suppress in defensive usage too. I'm certain I won't have any earpro. But unsuppressed will cause instant damage, and it's a spectrum not binary. Dropping only 20 dB may still result in a little damage, but that's still 100x less energy and still an improvement. Nothing wrong with wanting something compact, even wet wipe based.

          • 5 days ago
            Burt

            Or use a full size silencer with one of these. You can just snap it on in half a second.

            I guess I understand the very narrow specific use case of having a pistol with silencer attached fitting in a glove box so I don't mean to sound like I'm picking on you specifically, but I guarantee 95%+ of people buying modular silencers are doing it for instacrap pics, not a niche use case.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/lgA78Dx.jpg

          Then take the silencer off? Because you need hearing protection with short ones anyway. Or use a sealed micro silencer with wipes and gel that will be as quiet as a full size for a few shots, pic related.

          The whole middlin' modular meme is lost on me

          https://i.imgur.com/Tsd7rvI.jpg

          Or use a full size silencer with one of these. You can just snap it on in half a second.

          I guess I understand the very narrow specific use case of having a pistol with silencer attached fitting in a glove box so I don't mean to sound like I'm picking on you specifically, but I guarantee 95%+ of people buying modular silencers are doing it for instacrap pics, not a niche use case.

          Jesus Burt shut the fuck up and stay in your lane in /hg/ general. Do you even own a single suppressor?

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            lurk more

  37. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    what is the current wait on a silencer stamp? are there any upcoming sales expected?

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      current wait is 9 months (confirmed) with eForms
      It's about 15-17 months for paper.

      Yes I own suppressors, yes I know the wait times.

  38. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    i am too poor to actually be a stakeholder in this but always hear "THEY CAN SHOW UP AT ANY TIME AND JUST CHECK YOUR WHOLE HOUSE JUST BECAUSE YER ON THAT LIST SONNY" from rich boomers but none have ever actually had that happen. Do they actually do that / has anyone had it happen? I just like being alive and love my dogs so would spend the money on a nice rifle in the future instead of tax stamp + can if it is somewhat common

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      see

      You don't give up your 4th amendment rights because you paid a tax stamp.

      No, retard, that's not how it works. Cops can't just come into your house and ask to look at your shit.

      Boomers who say that are thinking of FFLs/SOTs, which DO have yearly inspections by the GAYTFE.

  39. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Not OP but I want an MP5SD. Is it dumb to buy the suppressor and build the gun as my first suppressed gun? I just think they're mechanically neat.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      If you're sure it's one you'll actually want to shoot then go for it. If you can swing it though might consider picking out a can for your current favorite gun at the same time so you get them both together.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        So apply for tax stamps for both suppressors at the same time? Or am I misunderstanding

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          Yes. It doesn't save any money but they do do batch approvals sometimes and then you'll have both a fun one to play with and one you can be sure will be good and you'll really get a lot of use out of. My unironic biggest regret with my suppressor journey was dribbling it out rather then just buying three at the start and then going from there after.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            huh, I never knew that did that. It makes sense though, thanks for your advice anon!

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              Nothing is ever 100% guaranteed with the ATF (particularly since it involves FBI too) but I've seen it happen enough that I know it can. And once you have a can for your top 2 or 3 favorite calibers it's a lot easier to deal with the horrid wait from there because it becomes more about convenience then raw need.

  40. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Have a suppressed PPQ. It is neat but not that quiet. Like loud enough to be uncomfortable but sounds like an air gun at a distance. The one thing literally no one talks about is how much gass and unburned power you get in your face. It is impossible to shoot without eye protection. It is a little better on a PCC but I don't shoot it that much and I haven't bought another. The PPQ fucking pure kino and moogs every other hangun in its class. The only problem is you can't put a red dot on it. I know the new Walther can but I got a P320 with an Apex trigger before that even came out. It is a good gun but the ppq is smaller and has a way better grip and trigger

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >The one thing literally no one talks about is how much gass and unburned power you get in your face.
      Blowback is constantly talked about and comes up anon. But the reason it's inconsistently talked about is because the amount varies massive. I get zero with my Maxim for obvious reasons, more with others. It'll vary by both platform and can design. Ultra low backpressure flow through designs reduce it on anything. For rifles adjustable gas block helps.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        think he was talkin about ppq experience in particular. not gasinface in general?

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >The one thing literally no one talks about is how much gass and unburned power you get in your face.
          Blowback is constantly talked about and comes up anon. But the reason it's inconsistently talked about is because the amount varies massive. I get zero with my Maxim for obvious reasons, more with others. It'll vary by both platform and can design. Ultra low backpressure flow through designs reduce it on anything. For rifles adjustable gas block helps.

          I was talking about pistol suppressors in general. I haven't fucked with them in a long time so maybe the technology is better. They are cool and I am glad I got it since it taught me the system but if I had it to do over again I would get a .30 cal rifle can. I would suck the PPQs dick if it had one though, seriously great gun.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            Ah ok, in that case yes, the technology has gotten massively better. Supressors use to be as much an art as a science, people would sort of do things that "made sense", built on history, and that they just would test different variations of over and over manually. There were also pretty hard limits on what sort of internal geometry was possible. But ever cheaper massive processing power has made computational fluid dynamic software more and more accessible for niche stuff, and advanced in 3D printing and CNC even for materials like titanium mean you can create structures that just would not have been possible to manufacture even a few decades ago. And also there is better objective testing, and at long last a rejection of the old military standard in favor of performance for the shooter at the ear. It's still early days but the improvements have been big. Some focus on sheer raw capability, but others have focused on decent performance but combined with very low backpressure. Of course there are tons and tons of cans that don't do either well by current standards.
            >but if I had it to do over again I would get a .30 cal rifle can
            Yeah that and my integral pistol are my main favorites. 30cal suppresses well too, much better than 5.56.

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              >few decades ago
              Jesus dude, I'm not THAT old. I got my can right after I got my PPQ when it very first came out.
              >30cal suppresses well too, much better than 5.56.
              I'm an AK guy, and I even have one in 5.56 so .30 is a no brainer even though AKs puke gass everywhere it would still be better signature reduction than a slant break. I would probably build a bolt for it not to mention you can shoot 5.56 through it. That is another thing I would do differently. If I did get a pistol can I would get a .45 cal. Of course you lose performance with sub calibers but it can be made up a little with a diffret end cap.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                I mean forget a few decades ago, there are cans out in the last year or two that are improvements. I got one of the best 30cal cans and in the time I had to wait for the fucking stamp there is now a better cheaper option.

  41. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    always check pewscience for latest suppressor rankings. they do good measures. their faq has good info too.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      pewscience is promising but they seem to have very limited data, having tested 4 9mm cans (and one 45 can on a 9mm host, but not on a 45 host), and in the most important bracket, which is rimfire, they have tested just the rugged oculus.
      It wouldn't be that bad, but they also have invented their own scale, so unless they test everything else, their numbers can't be used to compare performance. It's a nice project just not very useful for now.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        Eh? I see 6x 9mm cans anon with a few repeat tests on PCC vs handguns (plus the "45", but handgun suppressors try the "jack of all trades" thing in a way rifle ones don't and while I don't recommend it it's a thing). Sure that's lower, they only have so many resources.
        >most important bracket, which is rimfire
        Definitely not. The most important brackets are 30cal followed by 5.56 and 300bo. 22lr is easy to suppress and I just went with an integral barrel for that one. The serious challenge, expense, differentiation and wildly divergent platforms are all in Hispanicier stuff. Sure, ideally they'd test everything under the sun but it's not some big corp and their focus is what their customers want. Literally, if you're a mid to high paying member they'll take your requests.

        >It wouldn't be that bad, but they also have invented their own scale
        It's because all the other scales suck. The ancient military based standard was 3 feet from the muzzle. Makes sense if the goal is what the enemy hears. But for civilians interested in their own hearing, 6" from the shooter's own ear is far more important. So is quantifying first round pop and all that jazz. They go into a lot of depth on their methodology and that alone is pretty educational.

        >It's a nice project just not very useful for now.
        Really disagree. While more would be better, most other information on the web is simply worthless so whatever they have is still the best you get. Manufacturers fudge their numbers, forums are full of anecdote and randos trying to measure with their phone mics or something.

        Yes if you just want 22 or 9mm, well they can't help yet. If you're shopping for a 30cal or 5.56 can though you'd be nuts not to base it heavily on them. Particularly if you're thinking about a trickier pickier platform to run it on. Frigging impossible to find decent backpressure data and the like from most manufacturers.

  42. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    worth ever cent and wait, do it, on semis all you hear is the slide, on bolts you hear nothing

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