>supposedly the best 5.56x45 bullet ever developed. >nobody has attempted to copy it

>supposedly the best 5.56x45 bullet ever developed
>nobody has attempted to copy it
Why doesn't anyone rip this shit off for the civilian market?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why doesn't anyone rip this shit off for the civilian market?
    because AP isn't a part of any rational threat profile and nobody wants to deal with the publicity of selling obviously AP ammo.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'd buy it. I'd buy it for 2 dollars a round. At least 1000 rounds immediately.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        that has nothing to do with what I posted.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah but like

      Id buy it anyway at a premium

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >because AP
      What if make forward part from the copper? AP definition is material?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So copper solids/monolithics? You can buy the those from Fort Scott.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        again, nobody gives a shit about AP rifle ammo. there is nothing stopping people except
        >use case
        >price
        >bad press
        which are all good reasons when you have to stay in business.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If ammunition manufacturing was deregulated then there'd more sellers of ammo with at least one of them willing to make this stuff. Government infringing the 2a as usual is the answer.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You can make AP in your basement without a license.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              can't make an ammo factory without a license, which is what i was getting at and whats really important for reducing ammo prices

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You sellin that box of ‘54R? I’ll buy it off ya if you are.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            no. you snooze you lose.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Harry fell'a, ain't ya?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the way God made me.

            >nobody wants to deal with the publicity
            Oh frick off. No-one actually cares about the publicity, the problem is no ammo manufacturer wants to be the one to trigger an ATF redefinition.

            [...]
            >not for rifles
            ATF's current posture based on the way the pistol AP legislation is written is that any ammo which can be chambered in a pistol is pistol ammo. That includes .223, and basically all ammo these days. They're currently not enforcing it because they know that the moment a lawsuit happens the law itself will fail any Heller/Bruen analysis.

            The game is set but neither side wants to move first.

            >No-one actually cares about the publicity,
            they do when politicians get involved, which they currently mostly aren't.
            >They're currently not enforcing it because they know that the moment a lawsuit happens the law itself will fail any Heller/Bruen analysis.
            that's a lot of words to say
            >you are right

            SIR! You have no idea what the fire arm public desires.
            [...]
            This! I would like to have a solution for any home invader that attacks my residence with APC or other form of heavy machinery.

            > You have no idea what the fire arm public desires.
            why did the SBR AP ammo sit on pallets at Denver bullets for months to sell like, 12k rounds? I bought these for 2 bucks per round, nobody wanted them. YOU don't know what you are talking about.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      But it’s not AP?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Are there any legal problems with making AP bullets?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        not for rifles. literally 0. making and selling ammo means you need an FFL, but the gov wants to sell surplus because disposal is hideously expensive so AP rifle ammo hits the market all the time. if you want to make it for yourself it's literally nobody's business but yours.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      SIR! You have no idea what the fire arm public desires.

      I'd buy it. I'd buy it for 2 dollars a round. At least 1000 rounds immediately.

      This! I would like to have a solution for any home invader that attacks my residence with APC or other form of heavy machinery.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >This! I would like to have a solution for any home invader that attacks my residence with APC or other form of heavy machinery.
        This but unironically.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >nobody wants to deal with the publicity
      Oh frick off. No-one actually cares about the publicity, the problem is no ammo manufacturer wants to be the one to trigger an ATF redefinition.

      not for rifles. literally 0. making and selling ammo means you need an FFL, but the gov wants to sell surplus because disposal is hideously expensive so AP rifle ammo hits the market all the time. if you want to make it for yourself it's literally nobody's business but yours.

      >not for rifles
      ATF's current posture based on the way the pistol AP legislation is written is that any ammo which can be chambered in a pistol is pistol ammo. That includes .223, and basically all ammo these days. They're currently not enforcing it because they know that the moment a lawsuit happens the law itself will fail any Heller/Bruen analysis.

      The game is set but neither side wants to move first.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's kinda AP
    And i'm pretty sure the Army owns the patent for the design of EPR projectiles

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do you know these patents?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    AP rounds are illegal. It clearly shows you're planning to use your weapons for no lawful purpose but against humans. You're lucky if you only get your gun privileges revoked, but in any civilized country getting caught with a weapon of war will result in serious prison time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nice bait.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Medicare bait, do better

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Was supposed to be mediocre but medicare does work too

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Medicare bait
        more like MedicAIDS

        you know I'm right

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I am a weapon of war.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I own guns that HAVE been used in war and you cannot stop me. I buy police trade in guns because hopefully they’ve been blooded. I clone weapons of war and well aware of the differences between it and the real thing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      use against humans is legal and constitutionally protected though

      https://i.imgur.com/x3SFzUZ.jpg

      again, nobody gives a shit about AP rifle ammo. there is nothing stopping people except
      >use case
      >price
      >bad press
      which are all good reasons when you have to stay in business.

      not for rifles. literally 0. making and selling ammo means you need an FFL, but the gov wants to sell surplus because disposal is hideously expensive so AP rifle ammo hits the market all the time. if you want to make it for yourself it's literally nobody's business but yours.

      the ATF acts like all rifle ammo is pistol ammo because the thompson center contender exists or something

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why are so many morons itt calling M855A1 armor piercing? It doesn’t defeat body armor any better than M193 or M855 do and it wasn’t designed to.
    It was designed to have consistent terminal effect on target at lower velocities and past light-intermediate barriers

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      a) the govt owns the design
      b) it has very high chamber pressures that will shoot out barrels and break bolts much faster than M855 or M193, and it gouges feed ramps unless you use the newest mag design with the blue follower (which is ironically worse for normal rounds)
      Not an issue for the military which can just go through barrels as it pleases but as an ammo mfg you don't want to deal with dozens of civvies crying that your ammo broke their gucci toys

      It defeats level III plates more often than not. It's definitely better than M855, even though the enhanced penetration was more of an afterthought.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        M193 also beats level III plates

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Steel ones, out of a long barrel and at short ranges.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            In my personal testing most 5.56 from a 16inch AR defeat level III just fine at close range.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It has better light barrier penetration and it pens some level III plates which stop M193 or M855 or both.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >barrier penetration
        Yes
        >level III plates stop M193

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        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >he doesn't know
          M855 pens UHMWPE
          M193 pens steel
          M855A1 pens both and some ceramic hybrids built to protect against M855 and M193

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >supposedly the best 5.56x45 bullet ever developed

    That's not a 77gr TMK or Gold Dot.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >it's another neverserveds highly impressed by what socom used once 20 years ago episode
      M855A1 is superior.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm more impressed by their ability to time travel you dumb Black person.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It’s so funny when people use neverserved as an insult. Like, they’ll take anyone, you know?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If there was enough customer demand for M855A1 ammo, it would be on shelves.

    Actually trusting what people say they'd be willing to buy is literally the dumbest thing you can do in the firearms industry, and has lead to the bankruptcy of hundreds or thousands of companies.

    Gun owners are, as a rule, among the cheapest fricks in the world, and when it comes to putting their money where their mouth, they tend to get very quiet.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'd buy that for a dollar!

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    AP rounds are banned for pistol calibers since the 90's and homosexuals made a bunch of pistols in 5.56 223 and 7.62x51/308 and 7.62x39

    so blame the homosexuals that made pistols in rifle calibers and battle rifle calibers.

    and I am sure some gay will make a 30-06 pistol as well to frick shit up even more.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It is illegal to manufacture and sell AP ammo to civilians.
    It is however, legal to have AP ammo as a civilian.

    That was my understanding, is it not correct?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It is illegal to manufacture or import unless licensed.
      If licensed you may only export it or sell it the government.
      Once it's out of the licensee's or governments hands there are no restrictions.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Okay cool, it is as I had thought. Next point of clarity would be to define manufacture. I don't think making it for personal use counts.

        Same with firearms. You cannot manufacture firearms without the licenses but you can make yourself a fire. Can you make yourself 50 firearms? Can you later sell a firearm that you had made for yourself?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Manufacture is defined as making or assembling to produce components or loaded ammunition. There is no persoanl use exemption.
          Anyone can manufacture a firearm. They can make as many as they want for personal use. They can even sell them if they want.
          To make a profit or do it as business you must be a licensed manufacturer.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    here is what the penetrator looks like if anyone was curious. this landed near us during a range the other day while we were in the pit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Huh, I thought the core was thin in the middle. Thanks, anon. Very cool.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        to be clear this is M855A1 not m855. The new stuff the penetrator is actually somewhat outside the round, whereas the old stuff has the core internal

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