/k/, I want a good starter rifle for 500-1000m/yd shooting. I am thinking the RPR in .300 win mag.
support? advise? alternates for same price ($2400 ish)
suggestions?
/k/, I want a good starter rifle for 500-1000m/yd shooting. I am thinking the RPR in .300 win mag.
support? advise? alternates for same price ($2400 ish)
OP here, yes, i know old man Ruger had some questionable opinions, but price, stats, and warrantee cannot be beat.
just buy a 700 and put it in the stock of your choice
RPR is good, .300WM is overkill for 1000 yard shooting. I'd suggest .308 if you don't handload or 6.5 Creedmoor if you do. You've probably already hard of Tikka and Bergara offerings if you've found that gun, but they're still worth considering, especially as starter guns.
.300WM is fine if you want to start at 1k and go beyond.
.308 is a pain to work with beyond 1000 yards.
Yeah, it's good if you want to go beyond. OP has stated 500-1000, which .308 is perfectly suitable for.
Yup I'm not disagreeing just providing more context to help OP make the right choice for his current and future shooting needs
1k yards is the goal... but if this rifle and round can do better, i will try.
.300WM can do 1200-1500 yards depending on loadings, rifle, bullet etc.
Keep in mind you want a place already lined up to shoot these distances. Buy your rifle while keeping in mind how far you can physically shoot before hitting a backstop. Don't be the yahoo blowing up the 300 yard plate with a .338LM rifle, or the guy who sprays his PSA AR at the 500 yard plate and destroys the chains.
>or the guy who sprays his PSA AR at the 500 yard plate and destroys the chains
Some goober put together a <$500 PSA AR and managed to hit at 770y in heavy winds fairly reliably. Guccifags on suicide watch as always.
>.308 if you don't handload or 6.5 Creedmoor if you do
Not the other way around?
Both are fine for handloading, but the reason I say that is because factory 6.5 creedmoor prices are abysmal. If you want to shoot any volume of that caliber you either need to be rich or you need to handload,
I can buy cases of cheap s&b 140 fmj and 142 hpbt 6 creedmoor for only a few dollars per 500 more than cases of 147-150 gr .308. The high grade match stuff is around the same price too. A year or two ago you'd be right but the price and availability difference has decreased a ton in the past year.
Just go 6.5creed. tracking your own shots without a spotter can get dicey with 300wm.
6.5cm Bergara HMR
>I am thinking the __insert_factory_rifle___ in .300 win mag.
This will never not be a bad choice for anyone getting into long range and is a bad choice for people who know what they're doing as well.
If you're serious about learning LR shooting either buy a good barreled action with a nice barrel from the get-go or a cheap action/rifle and swap in a nice barrel (and obviously a chassis with either). 308 is good for starting out because it's cheaper and is affected by wind more than 6.5 creedmoor or 300 WM, so you'll be forced to learn how to read wind better and adjust to it. If you're not that serious about getting into LR shooting 6.5 Creedmoor is a better choice than 308 due to the obvious performance advantages. Lastly, if you're deadset on buying a complete rifle get an American Rifle Company Nucleus Gen2 for 2500, it will perform better than the RPR but you will be limited to choosing between 6.5 creedmoor or 6mm creedmoor.
thanks for the input all.
Where the HECK do you find this in 338?
Is it still being made or not cause I cant find it.
>nib
new in box
it's a blemished model so probably scuffed up or dented somewhere, but still unsold and technically new.
Pick whatever X-bolt comes in the chassis you think looks coolest.
https://www.eurooptic.com/Seekins-Havak-HIT-Pro-65-PRC-24-Bbl-FDE-Rifle-w-Muzzle-Brake-0011710135-F-FDE.aspx
Is probably more suited to what you want. 6.5 PRC is more than enough bullet to handle 1 kilometer and doesn't kick like a long action magnum.The RPR is fine with short action calibers, but I am not a fan of their long action models. Also, don't buy any Christensen Arms rifles, they're not worth it despite the market being completely saturated with them.
I got mine in .338 Lapua Mag. Awesome. zero'd in a handful of rounds, went straight to shooting 1000m target the same day. Excellent weapon, 10/10 would recommend
>zermatt origin short action: $900
>krieger savage prefit barrel 6.5 sneed/prc: $530
>triggertech special: $210
>mdt oryx chassis: $430
that's $2070. you still need the barrel nut and the tools to put it together, but that's still going to be less than that rpr and will shoot circles around it. with that kind of budget there's literally no reason to buy factory rifles. alternately you could just buy some savage 110ba for 1k and save the other $1400 for a scope.
6.5 if you just want to hit a target. for long range with actual terminal ballistics that matter you'll need something that carries more energy. it's weird to go through all that trouble just so sneer at "factory rifles".
what animal are you hunting at 1k yards?
keep your voice down
Why the BA in particular? Why not the 110 Precision, for example?
>muh 300 wm
>muh 6.5 creed
>muh 308
>muh 338
Sigh... when will you kids realize the tried and true superiority of 30-06?
For 1000 yards? You're a retard.
Sorry you suck
At 1000 yards you're talking about the difference of 8-10 feet of drop between .30-06 and .300WM.
That's massive considering 6.5CM is within 3 feet of .300WM at that distance and even .338 Lapua is only dropping less by a half foot at that range compared to .300WM.
6.5CM or .300WM just make the most sense if you want as flat shooting as you can without breaking the bank out to 1000 yards.
You kids really ought to actually go shooting sometime instead of autistically going over data sheets generated by a computer that's never fired a rifle before either.
Again, no one is saying it's impossible, but you're acting like 30 feet drop vs 20-25 feet drop is nothing.
Why hobble yourself with an additional almost 10 FEET of drop when there is NO reason to do so?
Unless you just can't stop jerking off to .30-06 why would you ever bother in 2023?
Why not shoot .50 BMG? Why hobble yourself?
Because we are talking about a reasonable MOA at a reasonable price.
How much do you think .50 bmg costs compared to some of the other long range cartridges?
We talking price per shot or the gun itself?
.300wm is $2-3/shot compared to $3-5/shot for .50bmg. And 6.5cm is even cheaper at like $1.25-2.50/shot.
As for rifles, a good 50bmg will set you back at least an additional $750+ compared to 6.5cm or 300wm rifles of similar build quality and features.
If you wanna get into 1500-2500 meter shots, then sure go for .50bmg but it's just gonna be a waste of money if you're just doing 1000 meters
if shoot target at 1000yd with .308
then can shoot target at 1500yrd with 6.5
30-06, much like 45-70, is my grandfathers round. great for war, but not for sniping.
.284 or 7prc might be better
Or 300 wsm. Or 6.5 prc
Get a Tac A1/CTR in .308 or 6.5 instead. You want something you can actually afford to shoot a lot and stand to shoot a lot. A 300 win mag is a pretty poor choice from both perspectives.
>.300 win mag
LARPer cartridge
Get a .308 or 6.5 sneedmore or get a .50
Seekins HIT. You're welcome.
Savage 110 in an MDT chassis is the basic bitch long distance starter pack right now, its the best non-custom action on the market and you can dink around with everything else to your hearts content.
33winmag is still a fine choice for PRC but so also are 30-06, 6.5 sneed and valkyrie so don't sell yourself short
>Savage 110
>The best non custom-action on the market
fine, the best non-custom actions FOR THE MONEY on the market right now. Where else are you getting a brand new blueprinted action for $500 today?
I will give you the factory blueprinting is impressive, but they aren't offering it on their $500 models.
If the Savage action design was any good, like most of the custom Rem700 actions, it wouldn't need blueprinting.
The best part about them is the barrels and packages though. Where else can you find an MDT ACC (1300MSRP) with a an action, trigger and barrel for 2k MSRP?
A seperate blueprinted action can be found for 500-600. For 900, you could have an Origin and that's just a better choice.
>If the Savage action design was any good, like most of the custom Rem700 actions, it wouldn't need blueprinting.
Savage actions are all blueprinted, and also that's my point, you need to get that custom done with other makers like Remington
>Savage actions are all blueprinted,
No, they aren't. They even provide a list of all the actions that are:
https://savagearms.com/blog?p=factory-blueprinted-action-performance-innovation
Other actions in a similar price range simply don't require it at all, such as a Tikka. They're made consistently enough that you can simply buy shouldered prefits for them.
Savage, your marketing team isn't very good. You should have given them a script focused on how the barrels are shockingly good for the price, everyone knows 110 actions are trash.
What are you going to be shooting? If it's just targets why not get a .22lr, it's not going to be any more or less dead if you buy something that costs $5/round
lowest effort bait i've seen in a while
>.300wm
>starter rifle
no
lol. 300WM for a starter rifle? BIG LOL.
Are you guys retarded or just unable to read?
what did i miss? i thought we were looking for a starter rifle for 1000m?