Sub Machine Guns

Are sub guns obsolete for the military?
I think they might be, but are still viable for civilians.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If FPV drones drive units to have one designated person with an automatic shotgun for drone defense, could see it being the sidearm of that individual. Otherwise it's basically just for tankers and rear echelon.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You homies still pretending shotguns do shit against drones?
      Drones dont fly like clay pidgeons

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think full-size smgs arent really that useful anymore but tiny ones like the mp7 or mp9 at least make sense for drivers and SF guys who need a sneaky gun

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I still want an MP5 though

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I want her to fill me up with her hot 9mm load if you know what I mean

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah that you're from reddit

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, I don't know. Could you elaborate further?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You have a small benis.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Haha, don't strip-search me haha

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine those grippers..

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        she got some ayyyy hands/fingers

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's a man

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the length of her index finger indicates xx chromosomes

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        jesus how tiny is she? my g3 looks the same size on me like her with that mp5

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Her shenis in my buttgina NOW.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This, the tiny machine pistols are a decent emergency gun for REMFs, pilots and armour crews but no one but hostage rescue teams is going to want to run them in combat.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    totally depends on the ammunition selection rather than the platform itself, I think a lot of people forget this when painting broad strokes like this. For instance, a 300 blackout is an extremely modern and even forward thinking smg used by tier 1 operators, while a normal 9mm has pretty much been left behind for most ops

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >but are still viable for civilians.
    full auto is not doctrinally compatible with normal civilian life. you're not in some desert shithole poking holes in mud huts. you're potentially putting innocent bystanders in danger acting like every blicky wit da switch user.
    but a p90 loaded with ap rounds would be cool ngl

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's a whole lot of words to say "I'm gay"
      Are you an ATF agent? How does it feel knowing we're going to have mail order full autos again in the next 15 years?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't understand where this line of reasoning comes from, if you're firing rapidly at moving target who's shooting back at you its very likely that some of your shots will miss, how is that different than firing a burst, except that the burst might actually give you a better chance to hit.

        If the issue is that bullets will just rip through the walls of your McMansion made from cardboard, chewing gum and paper maché, then I don't know what to tell you senpai. Real houses are build from brick, concrete and stone.

        The government didn't make full-auto restricted to protect bystanders. They did it to protect themselves.

        rifles are more terminally effective requiring far fewer rounds to incapacitate/kill. shooting CENTER OF MASS with handgun rounds requires poking more holes to achieve the same effect. hits to the CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM will obviously be more effective regardless of the round used, but there have been cases where pistol rounds have bounced off of/entered the skull leaving the recipient of the projectile walking and talking for HOURS before finally succumbing to their wounds.
        tldr; SMG's are the most effective use of pistol rounds, but rifles are better.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What a whole bunch of words to say “I’m a ghetto Black person who can’t hit a barn from 15 yards out the window of my 09 Altima

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't understand where this line of reasoning comes from, if you're firing rapidly at moving target who's shooting back at you its very likely that some of your shots will miss, how is that different than firing a burst, except that the burst might actually give you a better chance to hit.

      If the issue is that bullets will just rip through the walls of your McMansion made from cardboard, chewing gum and paper maché, then I don't know what to tell you senpai. Real houses are build from brick, concrete and stone.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The government didn't make full-auto restricted to protect bystanders. They did it to protect themselves.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        had more to do with popular culture at the time considering pistols and automatic weapons to be little more than criminal murder devices for thugs and gangsters with little military utility (therefore not subject to the protections of the 2a) whereas bolt-action rifles were the superior military weapon, for honorable citizens, militiamen and armies
        NFA was just a thinly-disguised ban on pistols and Thompson SMGs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SHALL
      >catchable = TKDKKK

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's just a spicy pistol, basically

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're good for tankers, artillerymen and medics.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think the submachine gun is truly obsolete, there is just currently no military need for them
    In the event of a major shooting war we would quickly see them return in resource deprived regions as the lower powered rounds allow for simpler designs and fewer materials
    As possible proof of this I offer the current use of shop built submachine guns in the world of organised crime, particularly in countries with strict gun laws

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Are sub guns obsolete for the military?
    Some military are starting to switch to carbine conversion kits for pistols instead of dedicated SMGs

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're always viable

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Definitely viable for civilians.
    SBRs are just too loud and have too much flash.
    For a military? I know the US just bought some amount of B&T SMGs, but I have doubts as to their utility compared to an SBR in that context.

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