What’s going with this plane in Ukraine? It was used un Syria so Russia SHOULD have something other than dumb rockets. This is a specialized ground attack aircraft, so it should be flying with bombs — what is the Russian JDAM equivalent?
Su-34 in Ukraine
>what is the Russian JDAM equivalent?
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>fab-1000
You're a big bomb.
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for you.
It's being used quite a bit in Ukraine considering 1/7th of the fleet is documented with picture evidence as being destroyed
NATO are spamming AWACs 24/7 along the airspace and forwarding all target tracking in real time to ukie Anti Air network
This. So fucking lame. I hope Piggies will pay for the fuel bill.
Already paid for in vatnik blood, tears and wrecks.
They've already payed for the flight hours many times over, assuming you take payment in dead Russians
isn't that the one that got killed by their own AA just a few days ago?
>What’s going with this plane in Ukraine
Stuff is going on.
>Party time!
Is there a version of this with pixels?
Sadly, no.
If you find one, pls post.
>what is the Russian JDAM equivalent?
the Su-34
>what is the Russian JDAM equivalent
hahahahahahahaha *breathes in* haahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha
….they’ve had them for 20 years now and were used in Syria. I wonder if they’ve been used in Ukraine or if NATO sky eyes have been keeping them too far away to deploy glide bombs?
>they’ve had them for 20 years now and were used in Syria
yes, but not in quantity
the whole problem is yes, Russia does have stuff almost (not quite) near to what NATO has, but in wunderwaffen numbers, or less, so they might as well not have any, it's pointless
>This is a specialized ground attack aircraft, so it should be flying with bombs
It's the Russian Strike Eagle, but the 80s variant with dumb bombs
>what is the Russian JDAM equivalent
KAB bombs, but they're shittier and they probably don't have many
Islamists had no answer to high-altitude planes, while Okraina has AWACS and other intel to first warn them of a plane appproaching, then they have the whole spectrum of AA available to counter it. Flying above the enemy like they did in Syria is tantamount to suicide.
>what is the Russian JDAM equivalent?
There is no direct equivalent. While they have guided bombs (KAB), they never dressed up dumb bombs into guided ones to the best of my knowledge. They chose a cheaper and a bit less precise route and installed ballistic computers connected to GLONASS/GPS to drop their dumb munitions.
On paper, Russians have laser and GNSS guided bombs, but these are fairly rare even in Syria. They cope on media about how they have a 'computer', namely a regular CCRP system, that allows them to drop dumb bombs accurately.
It's an elegant solution.
Yeah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norden_bombsight
So bomb sights aren't an elegant solution then? Or what are you trying to convey here?
That dropping munitions with a bombsight is ancient technology, hooking it up to read a sat coordinate system is trivial, and that you still end up with a massive CEP because dropping dumb bombs has a lot of variables that the bomb sight can't control for, so it's an elegant solution insofar that retards like yourself assume it's good enough while it fails to perform in the real world. Quite like the famous space pen vs glorious Russian pencil meme that falls apart if you think about it for a minute and has the punchline of the USSR buying US space pens in the end.
It's not a bombsight.
CEP is not massive, as evidenced in Syria.
Nobody mentioned the space pen.
>dumb Americans spend large amounts of money to equip every bomb with computer to drop precision bombs
>brilliant Russians just put computer on the plane instead so it's cheaper
Bonus round
>bomb sights aren't an elegant solution then?
>It's not a bombsight.
I know hohol IQ is a meme at this point, but let me spell it out for you.
It's an elegant solution insofar as you want to keep costs relatively low and still achieve a result. Instead of outfitting every bomb with a glide kit, you have the delivery plane that you can use over and over again.
You're the one creating a false equivalence with the pen and pencil story.
>Bonus round
It was a question aimed at you posting a link to a bomb sight. What does it have to do with the topic at hand?
Dumb shit.
And the point is that coping that a bombsight is JAST AS GUD is quite retarded because it turns out the cost of the plane, flight hours, and associated risks with trying to be accurate by relying on WWII tech + a Garmin's lovechild to be accurate is far more expensive then just dropping a JDAM from high altitude and letting it do the work while also having the nice benefit of ensuring that you actually kill your target and not the building next door of civilians.
>And the point is that coping that a bombsight is JAST AS GUD is quite retarded
Which only you keep saying.
>only you keep saying
>It's an elegant solution insofar as you want to keep costs relatively low and still achieve a result
hmmm...
>want to keep costs relatively low and still achieve a result
except that in more advanced militaries, they are able to pay more in order to achieve a more accurate CEP
thus it is exactly analogous to the space pen and the pencil story anon alluded to: brainless vatniks are satisfied with their cheap, low-tech, marginally-effective solution, and remain blindingly oblivious to the fact that they're decades behind in effectiveness.
as evinced by your reply
>it is exactly analogous to the space pen
No, it is not. Because the space pen story is fact-omitting bullshit and the Soviets used the pen as soon as they could.
>the Soviets used the pen as soon as they could
we're not up to that point in the story yet, anon: the "pen" is multiple-mode precision bombing which Russia still can't into
They never managed to build a space pen either, they just bought American like everybody else
>and then everyone clapped
>the ghost of Stalin flew in, wielding a hammer and sickle in his hands, and conferred the Hero of the Soviet Union award on the anon
>the american imperialist chud wept bitter tears of rage as his liberal feminist wife was fucked by a moron
Are you trolling or a tourist? CCRP systems have been in existence for atleast 40 years now.
And? What does that have to do with anything?
If you knew what you are talking about you would realise that computerized bombsights are very inaccurate compared to actual guided munitions. RuAF flew with semi-active AAMs and unguided bombs, including cluster bombs in Syria not because they have some tricks available, but because that's all they have.
>realise that computerized bombsights are very inaccurate compared to actual guided munitions.
Another thing is time aircraft need to be in the SAM kill zone. CCRP release demands from bomber to fly straight course into specific release point. While with JDAM release area is like 30*30kms, no demands for straight course, aircraft can drop during manuever (for example zooming from low altitude to release altitude). It's 10 times difference been exposed to SAM.
>CCRP systems have been in existence for atleast 40 years now.
Take 80, because Norden is CCRP, even more it's advanced CCRP been hooked to autopilot and steering plane into release point.
>What’s going with this plane in Ukraine?
Ukrainian airspace is heavily defended and a very high threat environment for both sides. Aircraft are used sparingly because of this reason. The last time a western air force operated in such an environment was in Vietnam. The only viable option for both sides is to fly low and fast but that is not without risks given the prevalence of portable anti-air missiles.
Russia has never had a large stockpile of laser guided bombs because they are very expensive. We must remember that the Russian defense budget is <10% of what the USA spends annually. Blowing $100K on a single precision guided bomb is not an effective use of resources in their situation. I think the war in Ukraine has changed that calculus.
If we take the cost analysis a bit further, a single SU-34 costs about $35M. For that price you can buy 10-12 Iskander missiles that cost $3M a piece.
>The last time a western air force operated in such an environment was in
Iraq, and they crushed it
The Ukrainian IADS is pure 80s-tier monkey models and the Russians couldn't even fight that.
>The last time a western air force operated in such an environment was in Vietnam.
Vatniks really like their fairy tales. No wonder when they try to operate according to to fairy tales they fail hard in real life.
Do vatniks aware that main causes of losses of fixed wing in Vietnam were AAA ans small arms? Vatniks don't know that
>muh high treat environment
An environment that is high threat to a Su-34 might not be high threat to an F35.
>Okraina
fuck off, moskal
fuck off, moskal
oinkraina
THE oinkraina.
You have to take it to have a right to name it, vatmoron.
kino
Turns out non stealth ground attack planes are fucking worthless vs enemy with a functional AA network and MANPADS everywhere.
Iraq had spent lavishly on its military before the Gulf War and had pretty sophisticated AA. The US was still able to rape their air defenses.
Israel has carried out thousands of sorties through Russian AA systems in Syria with non-stealth airframes.
What you need is good intelligence, precision standoff weapons, and food coordination. Also trained, flexible pilots.
Russia, it turned out, had none of these in adequate supply.
Obviously if NATO is on the border of the conflict zone it would be extremely helpful to have stealth aircraft, but they haven't even used their existing systems well. Interviews with pilots shot down early in the war show that pilots:
>Were told not to worry about AA or other fighters. They wouldn't be doing anything.
>Had very little training on what to do if these things were a problem.
>Were in no way coordinating to take out AA systems first.
I mean, they had a guy shot down in an Su-35 flying fucking recon.
Also, your long range missiles need to hit the targets to eliminate them.
Compare this the rate at which US forces destroyed AA assets in the Gulf of the extremely clever ways Israel uses the terrain and signals noise, or sometimes espionage and subterfuge to carry out their raids.
The Israeli solution is much more low budget but requires good pilots. You can't raid a giant military base and blow up a shit ton of MiGs with a commercial airliner showing up by total surprise unless you have someone with the hours and skill to have flow the two Boeing 707s less than 100 feet off the deck on the way in to avoid detection.
Likewise, you need good planning to spoof Egyptian signals and have fluent Arabic speaking pilots to pretend to be lost Arabs so that you can then dive in low and skim 50 feet over the desert to blow up Saddam's nuclear reactor.
If your pilots get no seat time, these antics just end in crashes.
>You can't raid a giant military base and blow up a shit ton of MiGs with a commercial airliner showing up by total surprise unless you have someone with the hours and skill to have flow the two Boeing 707s less than 100 feet off the deck on the way in to avoid detection.
>Likewise, you need good planning to spoof Egyptian signals and have fluent Arabic speaking pilots to pretend to be lost Arabs so that you can then dive in low and skim 50 feet over the desert to blow up Saddam's nuclear reactor.
Storytime anon, please and thank you
1. would be Operation Entebbe and 2. would be the Israeli raid on an Iraqi nuclear power plant.
Well now I feel retarded for not realizing that lol
Grassy ass anon
Iraq didnt have Russia and China flying AWACS around their Air space and forwarding all target info in real time to guide missiles.
Israel deploy their munitions within israeli airspace meaning russian AA cant engage
So Western intel alone is enough to defeat the Russian Airforce without even resorting to using weapons? Lol
>everything except mindless human waves is obsolete because russia fails to use them
It's a fine airplane used as designed.
It's a terrible airplane in an environment where I CAN'T SEAD is the order of the day.
Anon. Please post this character holding hands or snuggling with someone.
Now post Oddie
>what is the Russian JDAM equivalent
None, but there are Soviet Ukrainian KAB-500 in several modifications
We are keeping them to fight NATO soon.
keeping them underground? over 10% of all su-34s made have been lost in ukraine
They used this stuff recently. But a lot of AAs will not allow this to be done often.
It's AAA bait because Russia can't into SEAD
they put the weapons officer next to the pilot so they could have buttsex in the back of the cockpit mid flight. Hand and blow jobs are also on the menu while the auto pilot is off. I hear Russians in the military really like to butt fuck each other and suck each other's dicks. Must be a cultural thing
>what is the Russian JDAM equivalent?
The JDAM is a masterwork in efficiency and sustainability, a textbook example of value added recycling and an all around really clever idea
The Russians can't even do something as simple as boiling water without poisoning half the fucking continent, so naturally they have no equivalent
>SHOULD have something other than dumb rockets
Yes, besides from dumb rockets it also has dumb bombs.
>what is the Russian JDAM equivalent
None. Russia doesn't have a system similar to JDAM in service. There are some prototypes quickly made of shit and sticks without proper research and development, but they don't count, this is literally orc-tech.