Strelkov say ukrainians forces avoid being incircled by evcuating Lysichansk

Will russians ever manage to make a cauldron after Mariupol ?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no, everything is too telegraphed and they don't have enough mass to make a meaningful fast breakthrough. Without doing it fast theres almost no good way. So the Ukies just let them smash themselves against their lines then withdraw when it becomes untenable.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's sort of the crux of Russia's problems, they can push things in their favour with a massive amount of artillery and manpower, which to some degree is a great thing to have in terms of defence. But you're not actually eliminating the enemy enough or given them a convincing enough reason to stick around under artillery barrages and at the end of the day they see the whole area is a ruined, there's no structural cover worth fighting in and no civilians are living there so they can pull back and buy time by using less frontage to cover.
      >At best its sort of a draw
      >Russia gained some territory
      >Ukraine lost some territory
      But that territory was blown to fuck and is useless to anyone, the Russians expended a massive amount of their force structure to do it with 1000's of casualties and then the Ukies just slipped away. What would be more pressing is that strategically Russia's burning ammo, lives, vehicles and time to get this stuff done. They've taken a vast pounding to their mobile forces, they ground through a lot of meat from the occupied areas and there's a lot of counter offensives and skulduggery going on in the backlines which is putting pressure on their logistics even more. They're losing bases and dumps at a rate which is quite worrying, if I was a Russian on the front lines, I'd be real concerned about enough beans, bullets and bandaids being available if that keeps up

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Russia is leaning heavy on its deep reserves of Cold War stocks that may or may not work since they can't really build anything new without Western parts, especially Taiwanese chips.

        Russia is pushing heavily for territorial gains because they know they can't sustain these offensives for much longer and want to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table before that happens. All Ukraine needs to do is let the Russians grind themselves down while they train their mobilized reserves and wait for more western heavy weapons.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >vatnoids predict doom for Ukrainians in the "cauldron"
    >Ukrainians just walk out of the encirclement

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I mean they still lost a city, it looks like this is just going to turn into a stalemate like 2014 from here on.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What value does empty and ruined city hold?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's another foothold that'll be difficult to dislodge later if the Ukraine ever does get Russia on the back foot. Losing cities is always a problem because they're a pain in the ass to take back.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Just bomb it to ground.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              With what? They don't have an airforce. Also generally a bad idea to bomb the very cities you're trying to retake since you'll be footing the bill.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >They don't have an airforce
                They are being trained with F-15 and F-16
                >Also generally a bad idea to bomb the very cities you're trying to retake since you'll be footing the bill.
                Have to raze it to ground anyway after russians.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They're not, unless I missed something.
                But if the Ukrainian high command is to be believed (which again is questionable, but still), they have stepped up their air strikes with their own jets.

                this guy is 100% right and vatniks will deny it even though they claimed the full encirclement of the city a month ago

                This, it's honestly interesting to see how not only Strelkov, but a lot of pro-Russian OSINT fags and reporters have become a lot more grounded in their reports (and seemingly have a lot of respect for their enemy), yet the online vatnik still clenches onto the retarded copelords and Incel Celerons.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >lot of pro-Russian OSINT fags and reporters have become a lot more grounded in their reports
                They were the ones to post all the cope maps and reports of the destroyed ukrainian army on day one.
                Surely 130 days later their brains are entirely exhausted due to constant serotonin exposure.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >they are being trained with F-15 and F16
                No, no they are not. This is a blatant fallacy. I don’t know what tabloid you were reading that stated that, but I can promise you that’s not happening.
                >raze it to the ground
                With what munitions? With what Air Force? The handful of decent quality western weapons owned by Ukraine aren’t capable of anything like that. It’s also never a great idea to bomb your own city which undoubtedly still has your own civilians living in it to some degree.

                Like damn, I know schools out for the summer, but I never realized the American education system had gotten this bad.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yet if they don't take the city back Russia will own it, so it's better to destroy the city so Russia can only own rubble.

                Same with the separatists, better to make sure the Seperatists have the same quality of life as the Syrians

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              This, the West will pick up the bill and you'll get nice new eco homes out of it. Hopefully.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The West just blew 2 trillion on some flu with slightly higher mortality than a normal influenza. I'm sure we can sling 500 billion Ukraine's way, especially since they'll be the future Poland and provide cheap labour to the EU.

                Btw, Russia is double fucked in this regard because Ukrainians also went to Russia to work, not as cheap labour, but as skilled labour, which they won't anymore obviously.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >especially since they'll be the future Poland and provide cheap labour to the EU.
                And also because we seized 600 billion worth of russian assets

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah losing a city is hard, I'm also not very sure they could ever get that land back. Though back in 2014 the separatists got pretty far and were eventually driven back to pre-2022 lines. Obviously situation is a bit different now, but perhaps there's some chance the Russians just fuck off back home?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Its literally next to Severodoneskt (fuck spelling). Its not like the Russians have advanced a lot more. And as soon as a city is contested its lost and becomes a pile of rubble anyway.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >city

        A shelled out hellhole that has to be rebuilt. Invasion shouldn't be the problem for a global power. Occupation and rebuilding should be.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Then the west hasn't given them a sword sharp enough. We will help continue escalation, until Russia leaves the area of the Ukraine.

        Which, btw, would end the conflict right now, that door is always open.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's literally becoming boring at this point every time I hear of an encirclement.
      Same shit in every Russian war, they suck at actually collapsing them, they can just walk out.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >incircled
    At least fucking spell check the title

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Neo-USSR couldn't even carry out a tactical encirclement of demechanised hohol infantry, so that's horrible. But on a positive note they captured Lisichansk almost intact.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Well mostly intact they had to shell the eastern half a month ago and by this point of the war the city's been looted of everything of value by an undersupplied Ukrainian army.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Don't really think they've done a lot of damage across the river or that Ukrainians looted a lot. There was even 1 young pro-Russian girl instead of only babushkas with soviet flags, so that's some progress.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >sebra

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You will never make a real cauldron. You have no force projection. You have no effective equipment, you have no intel. You are a barbaric ape twisted by 70 years of World War 2 Propaganda and Hopium into a crude mockery of a military strategy.

    All your "Offensive Operations" you commit are half-assed and half-baked. Behind your back NATO mocks you. Your own soldiers are disgusted and ashamed by you. Your "allies" laugh at your obsolete tactics behind closed doors.

    Competent Generals are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of military strategy have allowed military leaders to sniff out fake cauldrons with incredible efficiency. Even when Russia tries to move past the defender's front lines, their lack of reserves make them fuck up. Your corrupt requisitions and sunken BMPs are a dead give away. And even if you manage to get some dirt poor Syrians or Chechan LARPers to team up with you, they'll abandon you the moment they realize that the other edge of the trap isn't coming because Ivan got lost in the woods.

    You will never take over Ukraine, you wrench out a fake "Just as Planned" and tell yourself it's going to be okay but deep inside you feel the hopelessness creeping up like a weed, waiting to crush you under the unbearable weight.

    Eventually it'll be too much to bear, you'll rally your men, make one last call to go over the line and plunge into the incoming MG42 fire just like your ancestors before you. Your countrymen will find you heartbroken but relieved they no long have to pretend that you're a competent general. They'll bury you with a headstone marked with your rank and status and every passerby for the rest of human history will know that a failed general rests here. All of your tactics will degrade into dust with the passing of the new era of warfare and all that will remain of your legacy is a short footnote in military tactics about how not to cauldron.

    This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no going back.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      fucking saved thx.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Strelkov is basically trolling now that things are going well for russia. Hes giving the hohols hopium

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Strelkov is basically trolling now that things are going well for russia.
      He's not the only one.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        this guy is 100% right and vatniks will deny it even though they claimed the full encirclement of the city a month ago

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >"Give your enemy hopium before crushing him completely" - Ivan Tzu

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >don't destroy Ukrainians
    >but force them to retreat and abandon the area
    Not perfect, but they did win

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      its definately a loss for ukraine since its clear the hoped to hold the area aleast for a longer time than they did. the real challenge for russia now is to keep up momentum and reproduce these again and again. they still have the arty advantage, but they also lost a good amount of men and equipment.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >arty advantage

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >they still have the arty advantage
        But for how much longer? Arty spam isn't sustainable when the hohols are blowing up at least one or two big ammo depots every day. Sooner or later the logistics of the whole thing start to fall apart and Russian artillery units find themselves having to be conserve ammo, or in some cases running out entirely.

        Arty spam was the only tactic the vatniks had left that was working for them. What happens when they can't keep it up anymore?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    interesting to see 4chantards supporting people shouting "allahu akbar" as they take over cities

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      there's a theory about how all the far right based-boys are secretly turncoats and it's only a matter of time until they realize that the west can not be saved but instead take the now more appealing path of islam, where they find themsewlves right at home: traditional religious values, women having zero rights, social cohesion, etc.

      • 1 month ago
        Yukari

        truly, God is great

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not just a theory. There was a huge number of posts praising the Taliban on 4chan (or outright asking how to join them) while the US was withdrawing from Afghanistian. I think it all comes down to trannies as well; "I hate trannies, therefore Islam is the answer."

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yes I think there were at least one or two twitter screencap threads of some random woman complaining about being trapped in there. The breads had alleged Talibans replying (afghani flags) by thanking them for drawing attention to the "whores" and that those will be taken care of. Presumably executed. Most of the replies to the talibs consisted of variations of "based".

          https://youtu.be/lwyywRfj__w
          interesting to see 4chantards supporting people shouting "allahu akbar" as they take over cities

          Horseshoe theory in full display. 4chantards and leftypol bunker trannies projecting, seething and dilating in unison

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It began a few years ago.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I never suspected that 4chan were disgusting unprincipled degenerated all along, but in hindsight it's incredibly obvious.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You don't need to be coherent to be a contrarian or a nihilist

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      4chan is infested with vatnik glowmorons. most of the actual humans that used to post on 4chan have found refuge on PrepHole, and PrepHole.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      is that the least destroyed and fucked part of the city they could film in?
      holy shit there must not be much more than dust and cinders left in the rest if that's what they got

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hahahahah the "orderly retreat with almost no losses or men left behind" by the Ukies was actually true? God damn, every time I think the Ukrainians would be reasonably telling a lie, it always turns out to, yet again, be the Russians who are just lying and screeching. Every time I think they may have some small advantage they fuck it up, whether that's militarily or just in the PR sense. In this case, it is both.

    Russians are a joke. Long live Ukraine.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I there another doom post? Post it, its been a while.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    MHV claims Russia's artillery usage isnt sustainable, that theyre throwing the kitchen sink at the wall (including WW2 vintage howitzers and the like) to gain any possible ground they can as fast as they can, but eventually the barrels will all wear out and the old ammo stocks will be used up and they will be left with only modern artillery, which they produce relatively little of. Can anyone else corroborate? He just cites some Bulgarian guy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It makes sense though. Old soviet artillery shells cannot be stored forever, so most of the stuff tgey have to use is stuff from Chechnya and forward. With some optimistix numbers, that's a few million shells. Might last better part of a year, but when the ammo depos keep blowing it's not gonna matter much, and they'll deplete faster and without chance for success.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Russian artillery fire is not sustainable due their ammo depots are getting wiped out and ruskies probably cannot into dispersed storing.
      Tubes getting worn is a more of a cope though, worn tube is just a safety risk and makes any accuracy difficult, but since when ruskies have cared about either of those?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >MHV claims Russia's artillery usage isnt sustainable
      Given the store of unguided 152.4mm shells Russia is sitting on, I'll believe this when I hear about them not using artillery against the Ukranians, not before. God knows how many of those fucking things they have.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >t.h.e.y.w.i.l.l.w.e.l.c.o.m.e.u.s.a.s.b.r.o.t.h.e.r.s

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Strelkov
    Doomposter strikes again

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's so tiresome.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      allahu akbar to you too

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is every cross platform poster currently circle jerking the Ukrainians.
      >The Russians will never take “insert city”.
      >The Russians are taking a lot of casualties taking “insert city”
      >Ukies are doing a controlled and calm withdraw from “insert city”
      >Russians now fully control “insert city”
      >It doesn’t matter that we lost “insert city” because the war is TOTALLY going to be over for Russia in like 2 more weeks! NATO and Ukie Brass keep telling us so so it must be true. We didn’t even need that city anyways.

      Ukrainian Shills are legitimately some of the worst quality shills. They don’t post factually backed data. They can’t actually counter any real argument. They just pretend not to read the damning evidence against them and label everyone else a Vatnik. It’s rather laughable.
      >inb4 any response from ukrop shills I’m going to stop responding and reading this thread following this post just to spite all you pathetic redditors who feel the need to grand stand for hohols.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ok vatnik

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I do mean to insult your intelligence because you're trying to argue that a ww1 somme tier slugfest of taking a couple hundred meters with heavy losses is somehow a tremendous success? I thought you said you'd take ukraine in a day or two?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        True. Ukrainian shills said the same about Kyiv, Chernihiv, Sumy and Kharkiv. All of them taken by the mighty Russian army. No amount of PrepHoleope will change that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >be russia
        >come out as loser after 10 years of shilling
        >why people don't like loser?
        (You)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm just going to be real here, I was expecting Russia to take Kiev in the first week of fighting, and destroy all organized resistance in the country in the first month, at the absolute latest.

        If you told me we'd be here four months later, and they wouldn't have any major cities, I would have called you delusional.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they cut their losses, it made strategic sense fighting in dangerous territory and always having the risk of getting surrounded and losing so much men, its a defeat, but a defeat they can still recover from

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