>Stormin Normin is revived by the Russians and given FSB mental programming to be the ultimate vatnik in October 2021

>Stormin Normin is revived by the Russians and given FSB mental programming to be the ultimate vatnik in October 2021
>He is put in charge of preparing the invasion of Ukraine and carrying it out
How would the war have gone differently?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Scrap the invasion and spend the next 30 years implementing severe reforms to the current Russian military and society so that it is cohesive enough to wage a war.
    Russians are squatters living in the corpse of the Soviet Union.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The reforms would make everyone see joining and partnering with nato eu will bring more profit and prosperity in 30 years than annexing entirely of ukraine will in a 150

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mr monke bananski no like we invade now

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      this is the best answer, because its a real answer

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you do not fix generations of army corruption by just putting a different commander in charge

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >just putting a different commander in charge
      what if he has authority to order executions?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >executes Putin and 80% of Moscow

        “Mission accomplished!”

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >just putting a different commander in charge
      what if he has authority to order executions?

      It's beneficial for the head of an authoritarian state to allow this sort of corruption to become widespread, because it's a sort of leverage they have on their own elites, to posture one over the other in order to secure their own power. That kind of corruption is a feature, not a flaw.

      Putin's early years were spent on anti-corruption chains. It was not obvious to the rest of us that he was simply consolidating power with the benefit of an alibi and some good press about it.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ok

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Schwarzkopf won with the foolproof strategy of a $300+ billion military budget, don't think he could implement it here.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      300 billion in 1991 dollars, but that was after decades of 6% percent spending of GDP during the Cold War

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      He was also up against an incompetent enemy.

      No plan survives contact with the enemy. He was absolutely amazed that the first plan he came up with in the beginning was the plan that the enemy allowed him to use.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >incompetent enemy.
        astonishingly, they turned out to be more competent than the russians.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You don't need him, the average autist on PrepHole could have planned the invasion better.

    >take the ukrainians seriously and don't repeat groznyj x100 like a fucking retard
    >don't spread out everywhere, concentrate forces at decisive sectors
    >use fucking echelons, the training and equipment quality still need soviet tactics to prevail, BTGs are one of the dumbest concepts in recent war
    >mobilize day one, not 7 months in
    >use tandem arty and aircraft to SEAD, but this is more of an inherent capability problem
    >take away lukashenko's access to tv stations and have him create a distraction in the far west, at least put the supply corridors in artillery range
    >use the VDV to grab bridges and logistics chokepoints instead of suicide drops on heavily fortified cities

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >they brainfuck him into the ultimate vatnik
    >Putin wakes up on the morning of the invasion to a phone call
    >Mein Monke...Norman...Norman bought a lake house in France after selling the Moskva and a dozen Tu-22s to North Korea
    >he also ate all the banan

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Would be suicided in 5 seconds flat since he's too competent and could pose a danger to the regime if he becomes popular among the soldiers.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    He still fails because top leadership doesn't change the fact that lower leadership can't have initiative. Lieutenants are absolutely cowed. A strong NCO corps doesn't exist. Changing leadership doesn't change the training or supply.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Saddam's C2 were already wiped out during the 43 day the air campaign. So he was going against deaf and blind Iraqi forces, any plan would have worked

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm reminded of the scene in a goofy mil-fantasy book - Robert E. Lee is rescued from Hell and given a crash course in (late 2000s) infantry command so he can help us fight The Devil and then God.
    He's terrible at it, can't cope with tech. He's useless, worse than useless, he fails every simulation but takes it with dignity and grace.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    they already had someone sensible trying to unfuck the Russian Military and he got retired. The tooth doesn't need a new filling, it's rotten down to the root.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      can some anon give context?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The head of logistics got replaced by the general that looked like a demon

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The head of logistics got replaced
          Literally the single most important role to be filled by an uncorrupted professional and court politics got him removed just as he was starting to light fires under the corrupt generals.

          He was given the job of cleaning shit up and was fired because he was actually doing it.

          Then everything he did was cancelled and reversed.
          It was a tragedy in a way but now I'm glad it happened.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            In a different world, more accountability might have meant that they foresaw the risks of invading Ukraine much better. Their assumption that Ukraine's defense would be undermined from within was at best only partially right and stinks of yes men.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anatoly, the previous minister of defense, tried to reform the military. He started a long-term modernization project and cracked down on corruption while forcing contractors to produce weapons to spec. His overarching goal was to turn the Russian military from a mass mobilization force that spammed arty and bodies to a smaller, more professional contract force. Regardless to say, he met fierce resistance from the military brass and the oligarchs who ran the military-industrial complex. He was sacked in 2012 and shoigu started overturning many of the reforms. The effectiveness of the 2014 invasion was in part thanks to these reforms.
        One of the issues Anatoly raised during the crackdown was "If Russia spends so much money on defense, why was the Russian military so poorly armed?"
        Bet everyone in the Kremlin was asking that question after the battle of Kyiv.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Serdyukov

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I’m starting to believe, more and more, that Russia’s official military budget is made-up. The legislature might pass that budget, but the actual budget comes from Putin’s office, and the real budget is like 1/4th of the original.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > given FSB mental programming to be the ultimate vatnik
    Since he’s now the ultimate vatnik he creates a lot irking fleet of Armatas and sells them to Ukraine as he deserts

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >given FSB mental programming to be the ultimate vatnik
    Then obviously he'd divert the military budget to his superyacht and go live in Tivat with the oligarchs under an Israeli passport in a new name.
    That seems to be the ultimate Vatnik move.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dismissed immediately because he is better on TV than Putin, and therefore must be killed.

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